What I find sort of funny is the fact there are players sooooo hardcore against a toggle that allows Vamp players to appear normal during the first three stages, yet a crapload of the same player base uses add-ons that automatically identify vampire and werewolf players via their buff/debuffs, therefor nullifying any argument that would indicate a "glamour" showing vampire players as normal would make them too powerful.

MornaBaine wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

Personally I think it's a waste of time, but here is my 2 cents.

1.24 hour period to advance to various stages. (Every 1/2 hour is BS in my book.)

2. Only stage 1 offers normal appearance.

3. All other stages get negative reactions from NPC.

4. Stage 4 Vampire considered threat to society and placed on criminal status. (Is fair game for Vampire hunters.)

This is a system I could easily live with as well. Most players don't mind the Stage 1 appearance and it IS significantly different from "normal" without being hideous and too "in your face." You could play it off as being anemic, generally "sickly" or even a form of albinism. What you propose would be even easier on those of us who wish to primarily remain in stage 1. I suspect there would be some negative reaction from players who like the mechanics differences in the different stages and might not feel that the negative NPC reactions are warranted before Stage 4. I, however, would disagree. A vampire in Stage 3 DOES appear as a significant threat and should make Townies fearful or, if they are brave, they might tell the vampire to get out of their town before they call the guard. And, of course, at Stage 4 they DO call the guard! At Stage 2 you might just get some Skyrim type comments from Townie NPCs who don't like the look in your eyes. And then, in order to achieve a "normal" appearance maybe there COULD be a magic item/trophy that confers that illusion for an hour (but can be reapplied at any time) but it would only work DURING Stage 1. What do you think?

Good to know it makes sense to you too. It would certainly make the game much easier on folks that don't want Vamp4 but rather Vamp1. There is some give and take AND significant consequence for being a vampire that "mingles" with the general populace.

MornaBaine wrote: »

Nor are vampires. Those are zombies you're thinking if. Vampires are not the walking dead, they are UNdead. They are not rotting, they are not dead, they have beaten death and moved beyond it. The various stages represent what happens when they starve themselves for it is the vitae of blood that animates them. In some ways, they actually grow stronger, even as their weaknesses become magnified. That is not a rotting corpse and the visual of the various stages does not look like a rotting corpse. It looks like a scary and powerful monster. Such a monster, in order to be an even more efficient predator, SHOULD have ways and means to blend among their prey. IF vampires "really" looked the way ZoS makes them look they would have been hunted to an easy extinction eons ago. But that is obviously not what has happened. Ergo, easy cosmetic variations so that players....you know, us people who pay to play this game... may have a more enjoyable experience that does not, in any way, shape or form, harm the player experience of anyone else. What is so difficult to understand about that?

I don't know that it's difficult for people to understand. It is, however, a difficult notion for people support considering how sensitive the community is right now about player vampires and the PvP advantage. Your just not going to get much sympathy from the community right now.

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

I did my witch at level 22, my DK at level 18. If you are too chicken to venture into areas outside of your level, then perhaps vampirism is beyond you.

...you can't access veteran areas until you're veteran level. Sooo while traveling to your faction's level 50 zone is no problem, traveling to, say, Bangkorai as a level 20ish Dominion player is impossible. At least as far as I know.

DagothMacellarius wrote: »

I think if you become a vampire you should not be able to go to mortal cities/villages at all. Instead the vampire houses in all the zones become your hideout and the vampire npcs there offer repairs and some other options . When I was in early access and one of the first vampires that is what I wanted. I wanted to be an immortal being who is pretty much a rogue faction in the game. The stage 4 idea is nice tho so you have the option to become hated. Maybe stage 4 would trigger vampire houses to become vendors for you and hideouts.

You know something I don't? Where are these "vampire" houses in each zone?

DagothMacellarius wrote: »

phreatophile wrote: »

I am always amused by the level of visceral hate that belches forth anytime anything Vampire related comes up. I find myself hoping the folks spewing most of aren't carrying this pigpen-like cloud of contention with them in real life.

haha, ya. I on the otherhand bought ESO because of vampires, mortals blow. I hope stage 4 becomes kill on sight by city guards and so on because it enhances immersion and sort of creates a 4th faction in the game. We can only hope stage 4 will trigger vampire houses to sell you stuff or at the least offer repairs .

I agree completely. It would be great to have some downsides for us being a Vampire that aren't nerfs to combat effectiveness.

It's true I only want the good things, not the bad. I want 49, healthy, magicka, stamina points and be 4 classes too.

I also want the benefit of a 5 piece set when i only wear 1 piece. Make it so zos. I want it now. I pay my sub, make it so.

Don't be a hater.

Aevric wrote: »

Again, you disgruntled vampires asking for the devs to hard-code changes to the game because of your vanity are akin to werewolf players demanding that they be allowed to shapeshift into weremylittleponies, because they think wolves are too ugly.

Wow, you really like to repeat yourself, even when you're wrong. Since you can only tell a werewolf is a werewolf VISUALLY when they hit their Ult the 2 races are not at all analogous. In PvP no one should be able to tell a vamp is a vamp until they see them use a vamp ability. You know, just like they can't tell a werewolf is a werewolf until they see them use a werewolf ability. And for the rest of the children who just can't deal, there's always the lovely add-ons you can cheat with. I honestly don't care. And what's this, "Oh you want the devs to do all this terribly difficult work for you just because you're vain!"??? Seriously? Wanting to like how my character looks makes ME vain? Darling, in my modeling days I was vain but I happen to understand that there is a very large distinction between my character and me. It has zero to do with actual vanity and everything to do with simply desiring a visual aesthetic I enjoy. Lore supports my request and it would actually NOT be a difficult thing for the Devs to implement AT ALL, certainly no more difficult than all the changes and new content they are already constantly adding to the game. AGAIN, ZoS WANTS to know what players want. YOU not wanting another player to be happy does not, alas, fall into an area they take seriously. For which I am very thankful.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

It's true I only want the good things, not the bad. I want 49, healthy, magicka, stamina points and be 4 classes too.

I also want the benefit of a 5 piece set when i only wear 1 piece. Make it so zos. I want it now. I pay my sub, make it so.

Don't be a hater.

I realize you're just arguing to argue, or maybe you just really like typing nonsense, but I'll go ahead and use your post to point out, once again, that a cosmetic alteration, akin to requesting additional hairstyles or social clothing, that does NOT affect game mechanics in any way, is NOTHING like the ludicrous claims you are making above. Your pretense that it does makes it painfully clear that you have nothing of substance to add to the conversation here and are just another part of the, "I don't like vampires so I want the people who play them to be unhappy at all costs" chorus.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

jelliedsoup wrote: »

It's true I only want the good things, not the bad. I want 49, healthy, magicka, stamina points and be 4 classes too.

I also want the benefit of a 5 piece set when i only wear 1 piece. Make it so zos. I want it now. I pay my sub, make it so.

Don't be a hater.

I realize you're just arguing to argue, or maybe you just really like typing nonsense, but I'll go ahead and use your post to point out, once again, that a cosmetic alteration, akin to requesting additional hairstyles or social clothing, that does NOT affect game mechanics in any way, is NOTHING like the ludicrous claims you are making above. Your pretense that it does makes it painfully clear that you have nothing of substance to add to the conversation here and are just another part of the, "I don't like vampires so I want the people who play them to be unhappy at all costs" chorus.

It's the Op nature and spamming of their skills that is irritating.

You turning up to complain about your character's vanity is just taking the ***.

I don't like contending with devouring swarm it makes me unhappy.

Tell you what lose all your vampire skills and you can then get your precious looks back, who knows it may even take you back to your modelling days.

Nope, I'm actually pretty happy being a cranky old lady that gets to take out my ire on children with bad manners by being able to devour their pathetic souls with pretty little swarms of bats. I'll cheerfully take the wisdom I've gained along with the lines over the flagrant e-peen waving and childish foot stomping I see displayed on these forums so much of the time. I'm happy to be me, old bones and all, and the last thing I'd want to be is you. You see, you've just admitted here that there is actually NO logical rationale to your desire to deny players a simple cosmetic request with no effect on gameplay....because you have your knickers in a knot about a completely separate gameplay issue. So instead of starting your own thread (or contributing to the many threads already in existence regarding how much many players hate bats) discussing logically and calmly why you feel bats are OP and requesting balancing you come onto a COMPLETELY UNRELATED thread and proceed to be as unpleasant as you can possibly get away with towards complete strangers who have never done you any wrong. And you honestly expect the Devs to pay attention to you now that you've completely wrecked your credibility? Thank you for being so increadibly nasty and rude...since you are a perfect illustration of my point regarding the naysayers on this subject. I appreciate it. Really.

MornaBaine wrote: »

Nope, I'm actually pretty happy being a cranky old lady that gets to take out my ire on children with bad manners by being able to devour their pathetic souls with pretty little swarms of bats. I'll cheerfully take the wisdom I've gained along with the lines over the flagrant e-peen waving and childish foot stomping I see displayed on these forums so much of the time. I'm happy to be me, old bones and all, and the last thing I'd want to be is you. You see, you've just admitted here that there is actually NO logical rationale to your desire to deny players a simple cosmetic request with no effect on gameplay....because you have your knickers in a knot about a completely separate gameplay issue. So instead of starting your own thread (or contributing to the many threads already in existence regarding how much many players hate bats) discussing logically and calmly why you feel bats are OP and requesting balancing you come onto a COMPLETELY UNRELATED thread and proceed to be as unpleasant as you can possibly get away with towards complete strangers who have never done you any wrong. And you honestly expect the Devs to pay attention to you now that you've completely wrecked your credibility? Thank you for being so increadibly nasty and rude...since you are a perfect illustration of my point regarding the naysayers on this subject. I appreciate it. Really.

I can see this is very important to you. I would suggest watching your favourite vampire/series movie to help remind you how beautiful vampires really are.

However, in ESO your character's withered and decrepit looks help us identify your OP skills, so it does serve a purpose. I would assume the devs have realised the same thing.

jelliedsoup wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Nope, I'm actually pretty happy being a cranky old lady that gets to take out my ire on children with bad manners by being able to devour their pathetic souls with pretty little swarms of bats. I'll cheerfully take the wisdom I've gained along with the lines over the flagrant e-peen waving and childish foot stomping I see displayed on these forums so much of the time. I'm happy to be me, old bones and all, and the last thing I'd want to be is you. You see, you've just admitted here that there is actually NO logical rationale to your desire to deny players a simple cosmetic request with no effect on gameplay....because you have your knickers in a knot about a completely separate gameplay issue. So instead of starting your own thread (or contributing to the many threads already in existence regarding how much many players hate bats) discussing logically and calmly why you feel bats are OP and requesting balancing you come onto a COMPLETELY UNRELATED thread and proceed to be as unpleasant as you can possibly get away with towards complete strangers who have never done you any wrong. And you honestly expect the Devs to pay attention to you now that you've completely wrecked your credibility? Thank you for being so increadibly nasty and rude...since you are a perfect illustration of my point regarding the naysayers on this subject. I appreciate it. Really.

I can see this is very important to you. I would suggest watching your favourite vampire/series movie to help remind you how beautiful vampires really are.

However, in ESO your character's withered and decrepit looks help us identify your OP skills, so it does serve a purpose. I would assume the devs have realised the same thing.

I wear armor that completely covers me so my appearance does not act as a tell while in Cyrodil. And yet there are handy add-ons you can use to tell who is a vampire anyway. Can we ban those? The point is that no one should be able to tell anything about you by looking at you, though they'll LIKELY have an educated guess just going by your gear and weapons of choice. Yet even that isn't 100%. You can easily guess wrong. You have to see what they actually DO before you know. Which is as it should be. For everyone. However, I would not care at all if none of the appearance options I've asked for actually worked in Cyrodil. The moment I port in, the illusion could drop and that would be just fine with me. Nevermind that you are clinging to an illusion that the cosmetic appearance of vampires is somehow a deliberate "balance" to them being so "OP."