Options for Vampire Appearance

FreedomDude

Varicite wrote: »

FreedomDude wrote: »

This a long read!

MornaBaine wrote: »

This is Lamae from the vampire quest. LOOK at her. She ALSO pretty clearly has the ability to NOT look like a disease ravaged vampire. Now the argument has run that she is an actual Daughter of Cold Harbor and therefore has this ability whereas her "children" are somehow inferior (perhaps because their transformation was triggered by bloodfiends) and therefore do not. We also can't float in the air which is also a drag. LOL But it seems odd to me that she would fail to gift her brood with this particular camouflage which would be absolutely vital to their success and longevity. She was certainly ABLE to give it to the Cyrodilic vamps she created. IF my original suggestion is ultimately implemented at some point, it would simply be assumed that this is exactly what she did. If one of my latter two suggestions are implemented then this is explained as simply being a magical illusion crafty vampires have come up with in order to survive. NEITHER breaks with lore.

Lamae is the first vampire and a Daughter of Coldharbour notice how other pure blooded vampires lack ugly faces?

Harkon, a pure blooded vampire and leader of the Volkihar Vampire clan:



The Cyrodilic vampires have nothing to with Lamae.

Other info:

Lamae's Bloodline

Lamae Beolfag was the first of her kind but like her successors, she created a bloodline. Vampires of this particular bloodline have Noxiphilic Sanguivoria rather than Porphyric Hemophilia or Sanguinare Vampiris, as a consequence these Vampires do not burn or weaken in sun but rather become more powerful once night falls, they have their own set of abilities as well some shared by other bloodlines such as invisibility. The spreading of vampirism among this clan is unique as it requires a blood transference between victim and vampire and then a ritual known as the "Rite of Scion" in which Lamae herself appears and finishes the process. The exact name of this bloodline is unknown but they were extremely common in the second era and were not limited to any particular areas as they could be encountered nearly all over Tamriel.

Cyrodiil

Only one known tribe exists in Cyrodiil; they are experts of concealment, and their true name has been lost to history. Much like the Imperials, they ousted their competition. Indistinguishable from the living if well-fed, these Cyrodiilic Vampires are cultured and more civilized than vampires of other provinces, using their stealthy abilities to feed on the sleeping and unaware. Calling themselves the Order, these vampires follow the Daedric Prince "Kin-father" Molag Bal, like many other vampires, but they also consider Clavicus Vile their patron. Members are bound never to reveal themselves or the Order, and to procure power, stature, and wealth whenever possible.

Morrowind

The Dunmer are strongly opposed to any form of necromancy, thus vampires are largely unknown in their land of Morrowind. The Tribunal Temple has some control over the public knowledge of vampires, but cannot keep it completely unknown. In the past, Ordinators and Buoyant Armigers were in charge of eradicating vampires, leading to their supposed extinction. Thus, the hunting orders that exist in the western Tamriel are unknown.
The vampires of Morrowind are typically in one of three bloodlines, which differ in accordance to their "approach to prey". The Quarra are aggressive and fierce when it comes to hunting, while the Berne clan prefer a stealthier approach. The Aundae bloodline consist of vampiric mages, who use the dark powers associated with vampirism to entrap prey. These vampires not only have their own strongholds, but are also dispersed amongst the Daedric shrines and abandoned Dunmer and Dwemer strongholds. Ironically, these clans show great hostility to new-born vampires, considering them abominations as their living counterparts do.
In the Red Mountain, the Ash Vampire was an immortal magical being of vast power. They were close kin and loyal lieutenants of Dagoth Ur, and thus partook of his supernatural vitality, but they were not related to true vampires - in fact, they are not even undead. Near the end of the Third Era, the number of vampires began to rise in Morrowind, leading to renewed calls to exterminate them.

Skyrim

The Volkihar vampires of eastern Skyrim live under haunted, frozen lakes and only leave their dens to feed. They have the power to freeze their victims with icy breath, and can reach through the ice of their frozen lake dens without breaking it. They are the earliest known vampire coven in Tamriel. The Volkihar vampires are relatively similar in appearance to those of Cyrodiil and they share some similar powers such as night vision, the ability to turn invisible and the ability to seduce others. Certain Volkihar vampires however appear more monstrous than their Cyrodiilic counterparts- some of them have large brow ridges, slits running through their lips, and bat-like noses, and they have powers which aren't shared by the vampires of Cyrodiil—they can reanimate dead bodies and do not burn when in sunlight (although they are weakened by it). The Volkihar have been known to employ Death Hounds as guardians.
Some of the more ancient Volkihar vampires such as those of the court at Castle Volkihar are pure-blooded and can even transform themselves into a more monstrous form: the large, winged Vampire Lords which were blessed by Molag Bal himself. This gift grants further powers such as the ability to summon gargoyles. It is said that Potema, the Wolf Queen, relied upon vampiric generals in the latter days of the War of the Red Diamond.

Now we should all have a great understanding on vampirism present in this game world! XD

I already pointed out the lack of credible sources cited for this wiki, and the fact that the article about Lamae directly contradicts itself. : P

Why do people keep linking to wikis and acting like they are some kind of definitive answer?

They aren't. Their sources can be, but you actually have to read the sources and find the relevant information and cross-reference that to what is actually stated on the wiki page. Learn to wiki, people.

For example, the official wiki for ES states that Lamae Bal is the "progenitor of the Cyrodiliic vampire order". If you take this at face value, it means that Cyrodiliic vampires are descendants of Lamae Bal.

The source linked for this information is the Manifesto Cyrodiil Vampyrum.

If you actually read the Manifesto, it mentions Lamae offhand, w/ no conclusive evidence that she is actually the source from which this line is derived. This is the only source linked for that information.

Mind you, this is on the official Elder Scrolls wiki, which some seem to believe makes its information more definitive. It does not. It is still a wiki, where information is uploaded by random people who can say pretty much whatever they want.

@Nebthet78 has also fallen prey to this misconception, believing for some reason that the words written on a wiki page are some kind of definitive answer, w/out actually looking into any of the sources. It's an easy mistake to make.

I sincerely hope you wiki-linkers don't carry this habit into grad school w/ you, because there is a reason that wiki information simply isn't acceptable.

Learn to research. : P

USEP is the most reliable out of the wikis IMO, but I'll agree they're not 100% correct. I've read a large amount of in game books to know that most the information is on par with in game lore and dialogue. That being said a lot of in game "lore" are also myths and stories.

For example the book "Immortal Blood" (about different vampire clans) has a lot of truth (from what I can find out through gameplay and dialogue) but at the same time a lot of myths and stories, Volkihar vampires don't freeze people with their breath nor live in the ice, my source? Played as a Volkihar vampire in Skyrim...

But the wiki has more "proof" then saying "But tuh game haz magic so I can do whatever I want"...


Also ESO has screwed the lore a bit as it is set before any of the previous games.

Varicite

FreedomDude wrote: »

USEP is the most reliable out of the wikis IMO, but I'll agree they're not 100% correct. I've read a large amount of in game books to know that most the information is on par with in game lore and dialogue. That being said a lot of in game "lore" are also myths and stories.

For example the book "Immortal Blood" (about different vampire clans) has a lot of truth (from what I can find out through gameplay and dialogue) but at the same time a lot of myths and stories, Volkihar vampires don't freeze people with their breath nor live in the ice, my source? Played as a Volkihar vampire in Skyrim...

But the wiki has more "proof" then saying "But tuh game haz magic so I can do whatever I want"...

Oh, fully agreed. : )

Was merely pointing out that the wikis have a few fallacies in them, which I've tried to relate here through the use of source material. Even UESP, unfortunately.

And yes, it must be considered that a lot of the lorebooks are from the points of view of their authors, w/ all of their prejudices and sometimes ignorance.

Immortal Blood was written by an unnamed Cyrodiliic vamp, for instance, who is a supposed scholar on the different vampires around the world, but even some of his knowledge is very likely just rumors or hearsay.

That's evidenced by Movarth's line "You were wrong about the Keerilth being unable to vaporize when pushed underwater,", though it's uncertain whether the author was intentionally trying to mislead the vampire hunter.

Suffice it to say, many things could possibly be exaggerations, but unfortunately, it's all we really have to go on. : c

Nebthet78

FreedomDude wrote: »

USEP is the most reliable out of the wikis IMO, but I'll agree they're not 100% correct. I've read a large amount of in game books to know that most the information is on par with in game lore and dialogue. That being said a lot of in game "lore" are also myths and stories.

For example the book "Immortal Blood" (about different vampire clans) has a lot of truth (from what I can find out through gameplay and dialogue) but at the same time a lot of myths and stories, Volkihar vampires don't freeze people with their breath nor live in the ice, my source? Played as a Volkihar vampire in Skyrim...

But the wiki has more "proof" then saying "But tuh game haz magic so I can do whatever I want"...


Also ESO has screwed the lore a bit as it is set before any of the previous games.

This is my point... Lore can argue both for and against what the OP is asking for. Lore can and will be changed by the game developers to suit their needs in order to sell more games. We've already seen it happen.

It's a no win argument.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Here's a question I have. Unrelated by bear with me.

So to be a daughter of coldharbour you have to get *** by molag bal. But daedric princes identify with a gender, they are not an actual gender, and even then, it's irrelevant. Why don't sons of coldharbour also get *** to receive the gift?

MornaBaine

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Here's a question I have. Unrelated by bear with me.

So to be a daughter of coldharbour you have to get *** by molag bal. But daedric princes identify with a gender, they are not an actual gender, and even then, it's irrelevant. Why don't sons of coldharbour also get *** to receive the gift?

If I recall correctly from Skyrim the jerkface of a vampire lord there actually sacrificed his wife and daughter to be ravished by Molag Bal and then HE got the "gift" of his particular vampire line for free.

Yeah, I really hated that guy.

So, apparently, you can simply sacrifice others to ol Bally in order to get what you want from him.

EDIT TO ADD: Actually, he did not sacrifice his wife and daughter, instead he sacrificed a thousand innocents and then the gift was given to him AND his family.

I still hated him. LOL

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

MornaBaine wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Here's a question I have. Unrelated by bear with me.

So to be a daughter of coldharbour you have to get *** by molag bal. But daedric princes identify with a gender, they are not an actual gender, and even then, it's irrelevant. Why don't sons of coldharbour also get *** to receive the gift?

If I recall correctly from Skyrim the jerkface of a vampire lord there actually sacrificed his wife and daughter to be ravished by Molag Bal and then HE got the "gift" of his particular vampire line for free.

Yeah, I really hated that guy.

So, apparently, you can simply sacrifice others to ol Bally in order to get what you want from him.

What a ***. Also, that would definitely be grounds for a divorce for me.

He does this to other women, though. Maybe he also did it to that bosmer vampire in rivenspire, but I doubt it.

It just doesn't make sense.

qiyamatawilrwb17_ESO

I would like to see my character get all hideous at vamp4.
in the meantime, can we have the detail of our tattoos brought back to its pre-infected contrast? can barely see it with vamp skin.

MornaBaine

Oh and what I ALSO thought was really interesting about the vamp lord in Skyrim is that HE can make you a vampire lord like himself, literally altering your bloodline. And although it is not EXPLICITLY stated it is very much implied that you are now indeed just like him, not some "lesser" creature.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

I hate that my calico pattern almost entirely disappears.

Yes, I am aware that's part of the disease, and I accept it and feel it's necessary. I just wanted to complain.

MornaBaine

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

I hate that my calico pattern almost entirely disappears.

Yes, I am aware that's part of the disease, and I accept it and feel it's necessary. I just wanted to complain.

LOL Understood. I certainly DO want there to be some downsides to being a vampire. And I want them to be thngs you actually have to DO something about! I just ALSO want more flexibility in the appearance department for more roleplay options and, yes, admittedly, just because I don't want my vampire to be fugly over 90% of the time I'm playing her. I want Carmilla, not Nosferatu! LOL

Varicite

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Here's a question I have. Unrelated by bear with me.

So to be a daughter of coldharbour you have to get *** by molag bal. But daedric princes identify with a gender, they are not an actual gender, and even then, it's irrelevant. Why don't sons of coldharbour also get *** to receive the gift?

Ravenwatch never specifically states how he received the gift from Molag Bal.

He is awfully pretty, though, isn't he?

Hmm..

MornaBaine

Varicite wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Here's a question I have. Unrelated by bear with me.

So to be a daughter of coldharbour you have to get *** by molag bal. But daedric princes identify with a gender, they are not an actual gender, and even then, it's irrelevant. Why don't sons of coldharbour also get *** to receive the gift?

Ravenwatch never specifically states how he received the gift from Molag Bal.

He is awfully pretty, though, isn't he?

Hmm..

You may be on to something there... LOL

Stardweller

It's a very good point, looking at Verandis... Please give us the option to do the same!
Or make stage 1 look less pale and red eyed. What's the sense of picking an eye colour if it's never visible?

Say, werewolves look normal all the time. They can just decide to transform. Of course, a vampire is something else, but there must be a way not to be discovered by guards. So, stage 1 should in fact look more normal.

godagarah5000

what about a cyrodilic vampire skin in the crown store?

Thevampirenight

Well, soul shriven skin can make your vampire look more like a Cyoridlic stage four skin or stage three I think but only better looking then what they made in oblvion
I want to see different types of vampire we could possibly become, not just the one type we have now.

flguy147ub17_ESO

MercyKilling

Holy necro'd thread!! Someone stake this thing out in the sun, quick!

MornaBaine

My threads never die. LOL

DigitalRenegade

I'm honestly still waiting for this and yes I know "Ermergerd NECRO!". This still isn't in the game so it's still relevant.

Vercingetorix

Just use a skin. Problem solved. I use the "Mind Shriven" skin to cover up Vampirism. There are several skins you can earn in-game. You could also just put on a helmet and stop worrying about something that is largely inconsequential compared to the recent server stability issues.

Abeille

Varicite wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Here's a question I have. Unrelated by bear with me.

So to be a daughter of coldharbour you have to get *** by molag bal. But daedric princes identify with a gender, they are not an actual gender, and even then, it's irrelevant. Why don't sons of coldharbour also get *** to receive the gift?

Ravenwatch never specifically states how he received the gift from Molag Bal.

He is awfully pretty, though, isn't he?

Hmm..

He is, he is really handsome. One of my favourite males in the game for sure, but I'm a little biased in favor of Mer.

MornaBaine wrote: »

My threads never die. LOL

You know you have been playing too much Overwatch when you read this on Mercy's voice (I did).

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Just use a skin. Problem solved. I use the "Mind Shriven" skin to cover up Vampirism. There are several skins you can earn in-game. You could also just put on a helmet and stop worrying about something that is largely inconsequential compared to the recent server stability issues.

Doesn't solve the issue and cosmetic additions are completely unrelated to server stability. Different teams.

starkerealm

MornaBaine wrote: »

My threads never die. LOL

That's the necromancy talking.

Abeille wrote: »

You know you have been playing too much Overwatch when you read this on Mercy's voice (I did).

You know Overwatch hadn't been released, when @MornaBaine wrote that, right?

Abeille

starkerealm wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

My threads never die. LOL

That's the necromancy talking.

Abeille wrote: »

You know you have been playing too much Overwatch when you read this on Mercy's voice (I did).

You know Overwatch hadn't been released, when @MornaBaine wrote that, right?

Yeah, I was using the general "you", not referring to her specifically xD
Like, I was referring to whoever read that message on Mercy's voice (like me).

DigitalRenegade

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Just use a skin. Problem solved. I use the "Mind Shriven" skin to cover up Vampirism. There are several skins you can earn in-game. You could also just put on a helmet and stop worrying about something that is largely inconsequential compared to the recent server stability issues.

Do they have a skin that makes you look exactly how you were before you were a vampire? No? Then that wouldn't solve it. Plus all of the skins look crappy to a lot of people. A lot of people like to try and connect with the character they are playing. Covering up my guy's face, who I spent time customizing to get him to look exactly how I wanted him to, with a helmet doesn't sound appealing at all.

bloodthirstyvampire

My vamp female looks good in all stages

Ehrlichcoleb14_ESO

What about the fact that the TES3 Morrowind vampires had WHITE cloudy/milk dead eyes. Looked so much cooler than what we have now.

I want different types of vampirism. Different bloodlines. Berne, Aundae and Quarra for examples. And I want them to all have slight differences in appearances. That would make for much more diversity among players.

http://images.uesp.net//thumb/c/cb/MW-npc-Raxle_Berne.jpg/600px-MW-npc-Raxle_Berne.jpg

starkerealm

Ehrlichcoleb14_ESO wrote: »

What about the fact that the TES3 Morrowind vampires had WHITE cloudy/milk dead eyes. Looked so much cooler than what we have now.

I want different types of vampirism. Different bloodlines. Berne, Aundae and Quarra for examples. And I want them to all have slight differences in appearances. That would make for much more diversity among players.

So... this would be a bad time to point out that the Berne clan is in the game... as is Volrina Quarra... though she's not a vampire yet. (Emphasis on "yet." She's probably already infected.)

Rohamad_Ali

MornaBaine

It's so frustrating that this plea continues to fall on deaf ears at ZOS. ESPECIALLY when it would make them a boatload of money. IF they were smart, not ONLY would they sell a skin that returns vampires to their original mortal appearance but, yes, as has been suggested, skins of various other bloodlines as well. And while I'm here... why don't we have a GHOST skin? THAT would also net them a nice haul of our cold hard cash.