Where are the buffs to NB you promised 3 months ago?

Samadhi · September 2014

Varicite wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

You missed the fact that it's acknowledged as unintended and ZOS has stated it is supposed to get fixed.

Bolded the part that you just made up on the spot.

The exact quote from twitter was:

"Not exactly intended, but not an exploit."

What exactly are you talking about?

My post that you quoted was specifically written in response to a player claiming:

Mendoze wrote: »

...
Firstly, I don't really understand what is so big deal about NBs and their cloak. It's excellent defense mechanism, and if it breaks because of your own DoTs, then don't use DoTs. Simple as that, or did I miss something?...

I pointed out that ZOS has stated that the issue of DoTs breaking Nightblade's Cloak is indeed acknowledged as unintended, and is due to be fixed; I made nothing up and a reference is available here:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Incoming Fixes & Improvements
...
Outstanding Known Issues
Patch 1.1.2 fixed many outstanding Nightblade issues, but below are some that we are either actively investigating, working on fixes for now, or have recently fixed and will push in a future patch. Please note this list does not reflect every reported Nightblade issue we are currently investigating.

General: Currently, a Nightblade’s own residual outgoing damage-over-time ticks break his or her invisibility. This is not intended, and will be fixed in a future patch.

...

"This is not intended, and will be fixed in a future patch."

Link here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/100627/nightblade-update/p1

So I'm not sure what on earth you are talking about.

But, to be honest, I'm not sure you have any idea what you are talking about either.

I totally read that out of context and I wholeheartedly apologize for taking your words in a different meaning and then being snarky about it.

I am truly sorry.

Been having so many discussions about animation cancelling tonight, I think I just got my threads mixed up when I saw your quote.

Again, my apologies.

Ah, no worries. Thread mix ups happen.

I was totally confused about what I was being called out for, but that would explain it.

Thank you for taking the time to clarify.

EQBallzz · September 2014

Samadhi wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

You missed the fact that it's acknowledged as unintended and ZOS has stated it is supposed to get fixed.

Bolded the part that you just made up on the spot.

The exact quote from twitter was:

"Not exactly intended, but not an exploit."

What exactly are you talking about?

My post that you quoted was specifically written in response to a player claiming:

Mendoze wrote: »

...
Firstly, I don't really understand what is so big deal about NBs and their cloak. It's excellent defense mechanism, and if it breaks because of your own DoTs, then don't use DoTs. Simple as that, or did I miss something?...

I pointed out that ZOS has stated that the issue of DoTs breaking Nightblade's Cloak is indeed acknowledged as unintended, and is due to be fixed; I made nothing up and a reference is available here:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Incoming Fixes & Improvements
...
Outstanding Known Issues
Patch 1.1.2 fixed many outstanding Nightblade issues, but below are some that we are either actively investigating, working on fixes for now, or have recently fixed and will push in a future patch. Please note this list does not reflect every reported Nightblade issue we are currently investigating.

General: Currently, a Nightblade’s own residual outgoing damage-over-time ticks break his or her invisibility. This is not intended, and will be fixed in a future patch.

...

"This is not intended, and will be fixed in a future patch."

Link here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/100627/nightblade-update/p1

So I'm not sure what on earth you are talking about.

But, to be honest, I'm not sure you have any idea what you are talking about either.

I totally read that out of context and I wholeheartedly apologize for taking your words in a different meaning and then being snarky about it.

I am truly sorry.

Been having so many discussions about animation cancelling tonight, I think I just got my threads mixed up when I saw your quote.

Again, my apologies.

Ah, no worries. Thread mix ups happen.

I was totally confused about what I was being called out for, but that would explain it.

Thank you for taking the time to clarify.

Someone on the Internet apologizes for being wrong about something and the apology is accepted? WHAT IS HAPPENING!!1

Varicite · September 2014

EQBallzz wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

You missed the fact that it's acknowledged as unintended and ZOS has stated it is supposed to get fixed.

Bolded the part that you just made up on the spot.

The exact quote from twitter was:

"Not exactly intended, but not an exploit."

What exactly are you talking about?

My post that you quoted was specifically written in response to a player claiming:

Mendoze wrote: »

...
Firstly, I don't really understand what is so big deal about NBs and their cloak. It's excellent defense mechanism, and if it breaks because of your own DoTs, then don't use DoTs. Simple as that, or did I miss something?...

I pointed out that ZOS has stated that the issue of DoTs breaking Nightblade's Cloak is indeed acknowledged as unintended, and is due to be fixed; I made nothing up and a reference is available here:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Incoming Fixes & Improvements
...
Outstanding Known Issues
Patch 1.1.2 fixed many outstanding Nightblade issues, but below are some that we are either actively investigating, working on fixes for now, or have recently fixed and will push in a future patch. Please note this list does not reflect every reported Nightblade issue we are currently investigating.

General: Currently, a Nightblade’s own residual outgoing damage-over-time ticks break his or her invisibility. This is not intended, and will be fixed in a future patch.

...

"This is not intended, and will be fixed in a future patch."

Link here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/100627/nightblade-update/p1

So I'm not sure what on earth you are talking about.

But, to be honest, I'm not sure you have any idea what you are talking about either.

I totally read that out of context and I wholeheartedly apologize for taking your words in a different meaning and then being snarky about it.

I am truly sorry.

Been having so many discussions about animation cancelling tonight, I think I just got my threads mixed up when I saw your quote.

Again, my apologies.

Ah, no worries. Thread mix ups happen.

I was totally confused about what I was being called out for, but that would explain it.

Thank you for taking the time to clarify.

Someone on the Internet apologizes for being wrong about something and the apology is accepted? WHAT IS HAPPENING!!1

lol, I know it's a rarity, but I've always been one to admit when I've done wrong. Call me old-fashioned. : P

Either way, the response I made was undeserved, and I'm glad that there's no hard feelings.

Soliss · September 2014

Samadhi wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Outstanding Known Issues
Patch 1.1.2 fixed many outstanding Nightblade issues, but below are some that we are either actively investigating, working on fixes for now, or have recently fixed and will push in a future patch. Please note this list does not reflect every reported Nightblade issue we are currently investigating.

General: Currently, a Nightblade’s own residual outgoing damage-over-time ticks break his or her invisibility. This is not intended, and will be fixed in a future patch.

...

"This is not intended, and will be fixed in a future patch."

Link here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/100627/nightblade-update/p1

So I'm not sure what on earth you are talking about.

But, to be honest, I'm not sure you have any idea what you are talking about either.

Unfortunately that was a full 2 content releases ago and soon to be a third content release and it still isn't fixed. That's similar to someone saying, I'll pay you the rent soon, and three months later it hasn't been paid yet.

I mean, really, how long are they going to put that carrot out there? Based on their track record, I'm not sure their current team is able to do the fixes that are on their plate.

Code2501 · September 2014

Soliss wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Outstanding Known Issues
Patch 1.1.2 fixed many outstanding Nightblade issues, but below are some that we are either actively investigating, working on fixes for now, or have recently fixed and will push in a future patch. Please note this list does not reflect every reported Nightblade issue we are currently investigating.

General: Currently, a Nightblade’s own residual outgoing damage-over-time ticks break his or her invisibility. This is not intended, and will be fixed in a future patch.

...

"This is not intended, and will be fixed in a future patch."

Link here: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/100627/nightblade-update/p1

So I'm not sure what on earth you are talking about.

But, to be honest, I'm not sure you have any idea what you are talking about either.

Unfortunately that was a full 2 content releases ago and soon to be a third content release and it still isn't fixed. That's similar to someone saying, I'll pay you the rent soon, and three months later it hasn't been paid yet.

I mean, really, how long are they going to put that carrot out there? Based on their track record, I'm not sure their current team is able to do the fixes that are on their plate.

If it's any consolation they have been stealth fixing it over time. As of 1.3 veil of blades no longer breaks cloak. They still have a few more dots to fix thought. Cripple being one.

killedbyping · September 2014

Give me my buffs !

R0M2K · September 2014

Honfold wrote: »

Aeratus wrote: »

That video looks fun, but getting into position using a 2H heavy attack for stealth is more of a hassle than what it looks like in a video edited for fluidity.

I have abandoned the melee ambush/surprise attack NB build because veiled strike/concealed weapon has been very unreliable for me in the past. It either would not go off, required me to be standing on the target or would trigger but not actually do any damage.

Yeah same, surprise didnt fire many times, besides the 2-hand setup offers better burst dmg and couples better with bow.

VagabondAngel · September 2014

VagabondAngel wrote: »

I might give the dps meter another whirl later and see what I can get now.

...and finally got around to doing that.

If I get close enough to open with Concealed Weapon, its a one-hit 2.6k

I'm using full medium armour and dw - 5x Hunding's Rage and 4x Ashen Grip.

Shagreth · September 2014

NB's are fine. They still need change stamina abilities so that there's more equality between stamina & magicka builds.

VagabondAngel · September 2014

Shagreth wrote: »

NB's are fine. They still need change stamina abilities so that there's more equality between stamina & magicka builds.

I'm beginning to think all we need is better damage mitigation vs magicka based attacks. In terms of dps....

...and with the right resource management, I can keep this up almost indefinitely.

Honfold · September 2014

Stamina builds are the problem. I think NBs need some tweaks to some of their class abilities. Right now I think I only have cloak on my bow bar and that is the only NB ability on there. Half the time cloak doesn't even work, I just use it as a personal purge most of the time.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · September 2014

I'll care about what people have to say with this "nightblades are fine, lrn2play" crap when they make cloak work consistently. It's our cornerstone skill and it works for ***.

I am surviving in PvP, don't get me wrong, but I only sometimes have cloak even on my bar, and usually it's on the second bar.

Can't usually escape with it since everything pops you out of it, the dots it clears I can clear with cleanse and that takes away other negative effects cloak doesn't cover.

It doesn't help that we are the only class without a knockdown cc ability. Everyone else can knock someone on their ass with one attack, we have to use 3, and if you get all those off you can knock down an npc, but not a player (at least it has never worked for me.)

I just want things to work.

mohfreak14nub18_ESO · September 2014

IMO the only change that would be nice and worth for my NB would be a class ability that is a shield. NB's are the only class without a shield. Maybe when spell crafting comes out, that would be sick.

VagabondAngel · September 2014

LOL - Deal 120 ego damage to target over 10 seconds. While slotted, increase arrogance by 10%. When activated, also causes irritation to all enemies within 5m.

Passive - Hidden Egotist. 25% chance to trigger a response. 0% chance to do critical damage.

R0M2K · September 2014

VagabondAngel wrote: »

VagabondAngel wrote: »

I might give the dps meter another whirl later and see what I can get now.

...and finally got around to doing that.

If I get close enough to open with Concealed Weapon, its a one-hit 2.6k

I'm using full medium armour and dw - 5x Hunding's Rage and 4x Ashen Grip.

Abandon Concealed:

- 0 NB skills/passives were used.
- Other Classes can get higher opener dmg than NB.

VagabondAngel · September 2014

That is awesome.... I had no idea.

Aeratus · September 2014

Samadhi wrote: »

As soon as someone mentioned Sorcerers being better Assassins than Nightblades, I knew it was going to have something to do with Surge.

Sorc in general is going to be better with direct weapon damage than NB. However, NB has bonuses to stealth and crit damage to compensate, and has more stealth abilities. So in the balance, I don't see how sorc is clearly better than NB for assassination.

But in open combat, sorcs with stamina weapons will likely do more damage than NBs with stamina weapons. Sorc's advantage in weapon damage also applies to destro staff and healing with resto staffs. That's why top NB casters never use destro staff for single target dps, since they can't compete with sorcs on single target destro (fortunately, NB casters can rely resto staff and class skills (strife)).

Also, thanks to those who pointed out my error in identifying the attacks that the 2h sorc was using.

Honfold · September 2014

Aeratus wrote: »

Samadhi wrote: »

As soon as someone mentioned Sorcerers being better Assassins than Nightblades, I knew it was going to have something to do with Surge.

Sorc in general is going to be better with direct weapon damage than NB. However, NB has bonuses to stealth and crit damage to compensate, and has more stealth abilities. So in the balance, I don't see how sorc is clearly better than NB for assassination.

But in open combat, sorcs with stamina weapons will likely do more damage than NBs with stamina weapons. Sorc's advantage in weapon damage also applies to destro staff and healing with resto staffs. That's why top NB casters never use destro staff for single target dps, since they can't compete with sorcs on single target destro (fortunately, NB casters can rely resto staff and class skills (strife)).

Also, thanks to those who pointed out my error in identifying the attacks that the 2h sorc was using.

A major problem for nightblades lately is the shield stacking. Anyone who is playing in PvP seriously is likely to have multiple damage point shields up, it has become a popular trend.

So now that sneak bonus that Nightblades have is kinda voided.

Yes, those that prepare before hand should not get hit with a high damage opener if they prepared for it.

The problem is that Nightblades do not have much, if anything, going for them mid-combat or for survivability. The opener must be successful for many Nightblade builds.

Durham · September 2014

TheBull wrote: »

Durham wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

Apart from hilarious minor buffs to a couple of useless skills you have done NOTHING in 3 months now.

Patience has a limit.

Dude you guys hitting for over 2k in pvp.. You have an escape if you do not drop someone in 3 secs which over 50% of the time you do... please check you your stats and build.... NBs are fine atm

NBs are more restricted than any class right now because of broken abilities that have been cited and not fixed for months.

Sure we have 3 skills that work well together. Ambush > Surprise > Blade/Impale. Work well if you find someone alone, you can move behind, with no shields up, and not holding block. Then if you get 3 crits you might just kill the guy.

Now stir in 100 people inside a keep see how effective your 2 minute prep to kill one person is. Sure if this game had duels or arenas, NBs would be awesome (if the target doesn't back into a corner and hold block) but it doesn't.

All you see is the end result of painstaking prep, caution, and desecration. Again all of that for one kill. Meanwhile Mr. Pro DK is running around touching everything while L33T Sorc is streaking through crowds taking no damage and Bat Swarming, and Templars are exploiting Blazing Shield.

NB issue is simple highest initial burst dps with the limited ability to get away... If survivability is increased further balance becomes an issue.. We run NB in our groups they are excellent at assisting each other burst down their opponents.. excellent class for the open field... we do not play in keep fights due to the ball groups creating lag...some of our group member cant handle it... Keep fights has huge problems zerg balls are killing the pvp part of the game...

morvegil · September 2014

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

Apart from hilarious minor buffs to a couple of useless skills you have done NOTHING in 3 months now.

Patience has a limit.

More NB buffs? Seriously the game is broken already with all the QQ need buffs.

Most NBs who know how to play, two shot any player in Cyrodiil.

How ridiculous you want the game to be? They should tone down DK, SC & NB damage, not buff it more, for heaven sake.

If 2000 damage hits from stealth are not enough for you, or you cannot achieve them, then maybe this is the wrong game for you or you play wrong?????

Tell me how to two shot people please.

morvegil · September 2014

Vis wrote: »

My NB can two shot most players. I have not played my sorc or dk in weeks.

How? tell me your specs and how you do it...gear included...stat distribution...

Aeratus · September 2014

Honfold wrote: »

The problem is that Nightblades do not have much, if anything, going for them mid-combat or for survivability. The opener must be successful for many Nightblade builds.

Yes, this is absolutely true for stamina based Nightblades.

I play resto staff NB, and the easiest targets for me in open combat are medium armor dw/bow stamina NB. MA dw/bow NBs have no efficient way of healing themselves during combat. Meanwhile, I am constantly putting healing ward on myself for a damage shield + self heal using my resto staff. Since I have piercing mark, they also have no easy way of disengaging using stealth (sorcs, on the other hand, can escape more easily).

I still get ambused by MA dw/bow NBs from time to time, but in any open combat engagement, they lack the threat and survival power of other builds. 2h NB users are more of a threat to me.

R0M2K · September 2014

Durham wrote: »

NB issue is simple highest initial burst dps with the limited ability to get away...

NB no longer have the highest initial burst.

Honfold · September 2014

morvegil wrote: »

Vis wrote: »

My NB can two shot most players. I have not played my sorc or dk in weeks.

How? tell me your specs and how you do it...gear included...stat distribution...

I am able to two or three shot those players in pvp who have not stacked their attributes in health, run around without a point shield, and do not block. Basically I can two to three shot new pvpers or glass cannons, not something to brag about.

49 points into health
All armor enchants with stamina
5 pieces running impen
2 with divines

Hundings/ Ashen with daggers out

Hundings/ some ashen/ full eagle eye(?) the covenants bow set with the rings when using bow.

2 jewelry pieces enchanted with gold weapon damage enchants necklace enchanted for fire resist.

I am able to two to three shot people by using:
Camouflage Hunter>Lethal Shot> Heavy attack> Light Attack. Opening from stealth obviously.

IF Lethal and Heavy crit high, then I may kill someone who is built like a glass cannon with that opener.

Jaxom · September 2014

morvegil wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

Apart from hilarious minor buffs to a couple of useless skills you have done NOTHING in 3 months now.

Patience has a limit.

More NB buffs? Seriously the game is broken already with all the QQ need buffs.

Most NBs who know how to play, two shot any player in Cyrodiil.

How ridiculous you want the game to be? They should tone down DK, SC & NB damage, not buff it more, for heaven sake.

If 2000 damage hits from stealth are not enough for you, or you cannot achieve them, then maybe this is the wrong game for you or you play wrong?????

Tell me how to two shot people please.

Lethal Arrow -> Mark Target - Impale would be my guess. I can't 2 shot people but I can kill them in about 4-5 all in the first 2-3s if I'm out of stealth.

akray21 · September 2014

Jaxom wrote: »

morvegil wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

Apart from hilarious minor buffs to a couple of useless skills you have done NOTHING in 3 months now.

Patience has a limit.

More NB buffs? Seriously the game is broken already with all the QQ need buffs.

Most NBs who know how to play, two shot any player in Cyrodiil.

How ridiculous you want the game to be? They should tone down DK, SC & NB damage, not buff it more, for heaven sake.

If 2000 damage hits from stealth are not enough for you, or you cannot achieve them, then maybe this is the wrong game for you or you play wrong?????

Tell me how to two shot people please.

Lethal Arrow -> Mark Target - Impale would be my guess. I can't 2 shot people but I can kill them in about 4-5 all in the first 2-3s if I'm out of stealth.

I want to melee, how do I two shot people with melee?

akray21 · September 2014

R0M2K wrote: »

VagabondAngel wrote: »

VagabondAngel wrote: »

I might give the dps meter another whirl later and see what I can get now.

...and finally got around to doing that.

If I get close enough to open with Concealed Weapon, its a one-hit 2.6k

I'm using full medium armour and dw - 5x Hunding's Rage and 4x Ashen Grip.

Abandon Concealed:

- 0 NB skills/passives were used.
- Other Classes can get higher opener dmg than NB.

NB should have the best opener in the game, yet any class can attain this...

Jaxom · September 2014

akray21 wrote: »

Jaxom wrote: »

morvegil wrote: »

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

Apart from hilarious minor buffs to a couple of useless skills you have done NOTHING in 3 months now.

Patience has a limit.

More NB buffs? Seriously the game is broken already with all the QQ need buffs.

Most NBs who know how to play, two shot any player in Cyrodiil.

How ridiculous you want the game to be? They should tone down DK, SC & NB damage, not buff it more, for heaven sake.

If 2000 damage hits from stealth are not enough for you, or you cannot achieve them, then maybe this is the wrong game for you or you play wrong?????

Tell me how to two shot people please.

Lethal Arrow -> Mark Target - Impale would be my guess. I can't 2 shot people but I can kill them in about 4-5 all in the first 2-3s if I'm out of stealth.

I want to melee, how do I two shot people with melee?

Wrecking Blow. Take a look at the screenie. I've 1 shot people before with it from stealth. I've never hit numbers as high as the screenie but I've hit 3.3-3.5k Wrecking Blow out of stealth. I just find it more difficult to pull off than it's worth. I get similar results from range using Snipe.

When I was specced for Magicka, I could Ambush, Soul Harvest, Killers Blade all in about 1s. There is your melee combo just using NB skills.

DDuke · September 2014

OP:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k39wGRTFtfA

Some stealth bursts, 1vX fights and duels against skilled people (starting from out of stealth), as Nightblade. I thought this might interest you

Also to weigh in on the topic, I don't think buffs are what us Nightblades need, but the cloak breaking from your own DoTs sure is annoying $:\$

Varicite · September 2014

R0M2K wrote: »

VagabondAngel wrote: »

VagabondAngel wrote: »

I might give the dps meter another whirl later and see what I can get now.

...and finally got around to doing that.

If I get close enough to open with Concealed Weapon, its a one-hit 2.6k

I'm using full medium armour and dw - 5x Hunding's Rage and 4x Ashen Grip.

Abandon Concealed:

- 0 NB skills/passives were used.
- Other Classes can get higher opener dmg than NB.

akray21 wrote: »

R0M2K wrote: »

VagabondAngel wrote: »

VagabondAngel wrote: »

I might give the dps meter another whirl later and see what I can get now.

...and finally got around to doing that.

If I get close enough to open with Concealed Weapon, its a one-hit 2.6k

I'm using full medium armour and dw - 5x Hunding's Rage and 4x Ashen Grip.

Abandon Concealed:

- 0 NB skills/passives were used.
- Other Classes can get higher opener dmg than NB.

NB should have the best opener in the game, yet any class can attain this...

No, you shouldn't just be handed the best opener in the game simply because you clicked "Create" while NB was selected on the creation screen.

NB has passives, such as increased armor and resistance coming out of stealth / invis, higher damage from stealth, and a gap closer that gets Sneak attack bonus. They are also the only class w/ a stealth speed bonus morph, and abilities that interact directly w/ stealth, like Surprise Attacks.

They are the class w/ the highest utility when it comes to stealth. Asking to just kill all the things because you clicked the NB button months ago is silly.