Any word on the ridiculous sneak speeds?

heyguyslol · August 2014

I dont think they should change this at all cuz if they do they should change other speed mechanics as well. Or perhaps put a cap on speed stacking bonuses so that you can only have one other speed bonus on top of the night's set. Removing stacking altogether is a bad move.

kitsinni · August 2014

If you are going to take this away you might as well take away infinite horse sprinting to go along with it. Bolt escape should also probably have a cooldown period before being used again. You should also cap maximum cost reduction from sets like Seducer with light armor passives. You should also probably stop Warlock + Seducer combination

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

GnatB wrote: »

indigoblades wrote: »

rophez_ESO wrote: »

I would like to just say, for the record, that my original post really didn't have anything to do with PVP balance or a fear of Nightblades. My post was basically to call attention to the fact that a few passives were stacking to result in the rather comical situation of my character being able to sneak as fast as his horse can run, and faster and for less stamina than he could sprint.

You see what I'm saying? It's silly to think you can crouch and SNEAK around faster than you can SPRINT. It's clearly a bug. Get over it.

Your OPINION of what makes sense does not determine what is a bug. Its just your opinion.

True. It does however make it likely a bug. If ZoS agrees and fixes it, then that would confirm it being a bug.

Guess what...

And seriously, doesn't anybody else find it completely absurd that people are actually comparing sneak speed vs fastest possible horse speed? Who the heck cares that when you bring out the yardstick, sneak speed actually isn't faster. The fact that it's even in the same ballpark is absurd enough.

That's like some people saying skill X is overpowered because it one shots the final boss of the hardest trial. And everybody liking the skill defends it by saying "no it doesn't, it leaves 1hp left. You still have to hit it with a light attack".

The fact that it's faster than the slowest horse is silly.

The fact that it's faster than sprint is silly.

The fact that it's faster than run is silly.

The fact that people are defending it by saying it's not as fast as the fastest possible horse is absurd.

That said, sure. Have a set that increases movement speed by 30%. Fine. Have a vampire passive that reduces the sneaking penalty (possibly to 0). Fine. Having vampires sneak at the resulting 130% speed, which is the same speed they run at, fine.

Having vampires run at 100% speed, sprint at whatever speed (130%?) and sneak at 185% speed? Silly.

You obviously haven't tested it and are just talking out your behind.

It's not in the same ballpark. Try it out for yourself, please.

As I have said in other threads, imperial horses with the speed saddle regularly outpace me rather quickly.

Incidentally, the -slowest- horse is pretty damn slow. I think I might be able to sprint faster than said horse. Just not indefinitely, much as is the case with sneaking. Even if I couldn't sprint faster, it would be, as you say, in the same ballpark.

SO if all of this is supposedly absurd, explain, other than "zomg its faster than sprint" what is unbalancing about this. What advantage do I get other than a boost to stealth that has equivalent losses in exchange. Because the way I see it, I lose a 5 piece set of bonuses and a very useful weapon morph. I'm not going to include being a vampire because I feel, in general, vampires are over the top.

It just seems to me that you are unhappy with anyone else having this for the sole reason that you don't like it. Which is irrelevant to the situation.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

naatokb14_ESO wrote: »

Some great comments in defense of set/passive stacks.
Some really bad arguments against. And I guarantee that if ZoS does eliminate that stack, half the PvP player base will be gone in a month over to some other MMO looking for relief from the NERF HERDING CHILDREN who play these games in spite of the FACT that this game, like AoC, Secret World, etc. Is rated mature by Tipper Gore's fascist ratings system. So what is the point in having a MATURE (17+ age) rating for a MMORPG when the fracking CHILDREN (including the adult variety) invade and try to turn every decent MMO out there into another idiot's dream of WOW.
/facepalm

THANK YOU!

I thought she only did that to music, but it can't be said enough that rating stuff like that is absolute ***. (and props for knowing who is responsible.)

If a parent can't take the time to learn about the game or music or whatever that they buy for their children, they are the ones at fault. We shouldn't have to deal with products being neutered just to appease a small subset of lazy, and probably evangelical or equivalent, parents.

yelloweyedemon · August 2014

Oh also to the people defending the set/speed stacking with the argument "vampires are meant to be supernaturally fast", what does the so called lore saying about vampires and daylight ? ... yeah thought so...

seneferab16_ESO · August 2014

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys! Just want to let you know that this shouldn't actually be happening, and will be fixed once we release Update 4. Hope that clears up any confusion!

I have no idea if people said this before, but this was reported by people on the PTS and it was brought up in several discussions here on the forums long before the patch went live.

I am curious of why the PTS even exists?

GnatB · August 2014

hamon wrote: »

having vampires silly, having magical stuff silly. having a horse you pull out your bag when you need it silly. having siege weapons in a bag silly. self rezzerecting after death silly. dragons silly. demons silly. if you take everything out the game that someone argues is silly you aint left with much.

I'll agree with the horse bag and siege weapons. The rest isn't silly, it's classical fantasy and fits within the games logic. That said, I'll admit that sometimes for the sake of gameplay "silly" things are neccessary. (see horse, though one could argue you're just whistling for it and it comes running from stage left). Siege weapons in a bag though? Yeah, that sounds pretty dumb. I'd be perfectly fine if they changed 'em to seige weapon repair kits, letting you repair "broken down" siege weapons in Cyrodill that are located at pre-determined locations.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

Supersun wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

Big difference between crying for a nerf, and asking if something is working as intended.

I see more crying in here from the pro-sneak stacking folks.

The same sort of crying we hear from sorcerers when people complain about Bolt Escape? For the record I have repeated defended Bolt Escape against any sort of nerf.

People keep bringing BE up like it's the same thing.

They really aren't

I can't activate Magelight and stand on top of a sorc to stop them from Bolt Escaping.

I can't pop a potion of detection in the general zip code of a sorc to stop them from Bolt Escaping.

Stealth can be EASILY countered leaving the person at a dramatic disadvantage since they have no useful 5th armor set bonus for fighting.

Bolt Escape + Immovable has no realistic counter, and even if countered doesn't put the sorc at nearly ANY disadvantage besides just starting a fight short a couple hundred magicka.

I'm not saying that one deserves a nerf while the other doesn't. Balance, especially in this case, is relative. I'll I'm saying is that comparing the two isn't fair since stealth actually HAS counters.

No you totally missed my point. The comparison was made to show that people will continue to cry over trivial things. Bolt Escape is not OP and neither is the speed stacking. I never made any comparison as to how they function only in how people react to them.

IKilled007 · August 2014

rophez_ESO wrote: »

Don't get me wrong. I'm actually enjoying using the nights silence plus vampire sneak passive. I'm just really wondering if it's intended. I know there are also nightblades that can achieve even faster speeds - almost horse speeds, while sneaking! I mean seriously, I don't even sprint anymore I just stay crouched and I run around almost as fast as my horse.

I understand people who really are enjoying themselves and don't want this to change - it is fun running superfast all the time, especially when you're hiding, but I just feel kind of dirty doing it.

I really think ZOS just needs to put a cap on sneak speed. It doesn't make sense to ever be able to sneak faster than you can sprint!

OMFG all the problems with this game and you people want to "fix" the few joys we have. Let's ruin any fun night blades have at all.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

rophez_ESO wrote: »

I would like to just say, for the record, that my original post really didn't have anything to do with PVP balance or a fear of Nightblades. My post was basically to call attention to the fact that a few passives were stacking to result in the rather comical situation of my character being able to sneak as fast as his horse can run, and faster and for less stamina than he could sprint.

You see what I'm saying? It's silly to think you can crouch and SNEAK around faster than you can SPRINT. It's clearly a bug. Get over it.

I think you're the one that made a big deal about. You created a thread just because you can't wrap your head around why a vampire would be able to move fast while in stealth. That doesn't mean the rest of us need to "get over it". You get over it.

Iorail · August 2014

kitsinni wrote: »

If you are going to take this away you might as well take away infinite horse sprinting to go along with it. Bolt escape should also probably have a cooldown period before being used again. You should also cap maximum cost reduction from sets like Seducer with light armor passives. You should also probably stop Warlock + Seducer combination

This is exactly my entire argument right here, once they start with one, they are/will go for everything else, because if they cap one passive/combo stacking, they need to cap it all. Or they could "TEST IT" themselves, because we all know ZOS has no idea how anything works on their own game, and see that the original request to "nerf" it was unfounded and ridiculous.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

rophez_ESO wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

rophez_ESO wrote: »

You see what I'm saying? It's silly to think you can crouch and SNEAK around faster than you can SPRINT. It's clearly a bug. Get over it.

You're using an enchanted armor set; magic can be used to explain lots of things; but hey, lets roll with this logic.

So a 2 trait "magic" armor set can make you travel super fast, but somehow the wizards haven't figured out how to make a "magic" armor set that can let you run fast openly? If the devs wanted you to have super speed, you really think they'd only give it to people that are sneaking? Does it really compute? It's a bug, bud.

[sarcasm]Your logic is flawless. [/sarcasm]

ItsMeToo · August 2014

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Oh also to the people defending the set/speed stacking with the argument "vampires are meant to be supernaturally fast", what does the so called lore saying about vampires and daylight ? ... yeah thought so...

ESO's vampire lore says that this variety of vampire don't have a problem with sunlight. ... yeah thought so...

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

SirAndy wrote: »

rophez_ESO wrote: »

So you think it makes sense to sneak faster and cheaper than you can sprint?

Not just sprint, it's actually faster than sprinting on a horse *with* Rapid Maneuver.
;-)

Horses that have unlimited stamina. I'm sure that's working as intended though right?

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

Beerbill wrote: »

Alebelly_FotN wrote: »

You have got to be kidding me. You people want to cry about stealth speed....
My snipe from stealth hits for 1/2 what it did a week ago and no ones answered me on that bug report.. My cloak is a buggy piece of junk STILL. I have to eat thru 1k point shields on every class but my own in pvp before I do any damage. On top of all that I play a Vampire, stamina build, medium armor, duel wield with a bow. I refuse to use shields and block all day while spamming siphon spells. I refuse to wear a dress and hit you with a stick. I enjoy the feeling of my toon. I'm not near "optimal" however I have one thing,

I run fast ....OMG NERF ME.

Really people?

I came here just to agree with you.

ZOS should move this forum to Africa and let people cry a river at least they would be doing a good deed for humanity....

Salt water is not suitable for drinking or crops.

eventide03b14a_ESO · August 2014

kitsinni wrote: »

If you are going to take this away you might as well take away infinite horse sprinting to go along with it. Bolt escape should also probably have a cooldown period before being used again. You should also cap maximum cost reduction from sets like Seducer with light armor passives. You should also probably stop Warlock + Seducer combination

I 100% agree. In fact this is what playing ESO should look like.

helediron · August 2014

rophez_ESO wrote: »

You see what I'm saying? It's silly to think you can crouch and SNEAK around faster than you can SPRINT. It's clearly a bug. Get over it.

So, the proper way to fix this is to make a swooshing batcloud animation. Maybe that eases the anxiety seeing something slightly illogical and FUN in fantasy game?

demonlkojipub19_ESO · August 2014

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Oh also to the people defending the set/speed stacking with the argument "vampires are meant to be supernaturally fast", what does the so called lore saying about vampires and daylight ? ... yeah thought so...

They posted ESO lore for the undead which included the vampire. Look it up.

In case you're too lazy, it states they are not weakened by daylight, yet strengthened at night.

hamon · August 2014

GnatB wrote: »

hamon wrote: »

having vampires silly, having magical stuff silly. having a horse you pull out your bag when you need it silly. having siege weapons in a bag silly. self rezzerecting after death silly. dragons silly. demons silly. if you take everything out the game that someone argues is silly you aint left with much.

I'll agree with the horse bag and siege weapons. The rest isn't silly, it's classical fantasy and fits within the games logic. That said, I'll admit that sometimes for the sake of gameplay "silly" things are neccessary. (see horse, though one could argue you're just whistling for it and it comes running from stage left). Siege weapons in a bag though? Yeah, that sounds pretty dumb. I'd be perfectly fine if they changed 'em to seige weapon repair kits, letting you repair "broken down" siege weapons in Cyrodill that are located at pre-determined locations.

ah ok so things you are ok with are fine in a fantasy world but things you find silly arn't?
magic making you move fast is too outlandish , but summoning demons, shooting fireballs, all that sort of stuff is fine?
basically you just dont like it so nobody should have it. You have no arguement better than "its silly" which is the sort of arguement I get from my 10 year old kid.

Luvsfuzzybunnies · August 2014

kitsinni wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

This is a major advantage in pvp, that needs to be removed. I know it doesn't seem like a big deal for pve, which it probably isn't, but stealthed vamps moving as fast as a horse are beyond ridiculous for pvp competition.

Seriously doubt this is working as intended...

Wow...what a quality response. Comes from a lifetime of hiding behind a computer screen I would guess...

There were no words that I could offer that wouldn't have been insulting.

Exactly. Keep hiding little child...

Nothing sounds less adult than calling someone a child.

Weird it's like you just called him a child...

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

Beerbill wrote: »

Alebelly_FotN wrote: »

You have got to be kidding me. You people want to cry about stealth speed....
My snipe from stealth hits for 1/2 what it did a week ago and no ones answered me on that bug report.. My cloak is a buggy piece of junk STILL. I have to eat thru 1k point shields on every class but my own in pvp before I do any damage. On top of all that I play a Vampire, stamina build, medium armor, duel wield with a bow. I refuse to use shields and block all day while spamming siphon spells. I refuse to wear a dress and hit you with a stick. I enjoy the feeling of my toon. I'm not near "optimal" however I have one thing,

I run fast ....OMG NERF ME.

Really people?

I came here just to agree with you.

ZOS should move this forum to Africa and let people cry a river at least they would be doing a good deed for humanity....

Salt water is not suitable for drinking or crops.

Well actually, the salt to water ratio in human tears is at about the ph levels of the fluid in the body itself, so you could sustain yourself on tears without fear of dehydration.

I use osmosis via warm saline solution on my piercings when they are healing, actually, as opposed to more chemical based stuff. If you rest the water so it sits on your skin, any excess salt etc, spreads out from the body into the water, or maybe it is salt in the saline that transfers to the body, I forget, but the solution is similar to tears with perhaps a bit more or a bit less salt. When the salt gets drawn out, the bacteria and potential infections get drawn out with it. It works really well. And I've done this with an anti-eyebrow dermal (plus keeping a band-aid on it while it was healing)

I realize that 3/4s of my post was extraneous, but my point is, you could subsist on tears. You'd probably do even better if they were the tears of orphans being denied Christmas. But that is conjecture on my part.

yelloweyedemon · August 2014

IKilled007 wrote: »

rophez_ESO wrote: »

Don't get me wrong. I'm actually enjoying using the nights silence plus vampire sneak passive. I'm just really wondering if it's intended. I know there are also nightblades that can achieve even faster speeds - almost horse speeds, while sneaking! I mean seriously, I don't even sprint anymore I just stay crouched and I run around almost as fast as my horse.

I understand people who really are enjoying themselves and don't want this to change - it is fun running superfast all the time, especially when you're hiding, but I just feel kind of dirty doing it.

I really think ZOS just needs to put a cap on sneak speed. It doesn't make sense to ever be able to sneak faster than you can sprint!

OMFG all the problems with this game and you people want to "fix" the few joys we have. Let's ruin any fun night blades have at all.

Yeah because screw all the nightblades who are not vampires yet, we don't care about them. In fact screw everyone else as long as I have OP abilities.

ItsMeToo wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Oh also to the people defending the set/speed stacking with the argument "vampires are meant to be supernaturally fast", what does the so called lore saying about vampires and daylight ? ... yeah thought so...

ESO's vampire lore says that this variety of vampire don't have a problem with sunlight. ... yeah thought so...

Exactly. ESO's... ES lore say nothing of the sort. In fact the only ES game that featured vampires walking on sunlight was skyrim, but yeah... lore and Skyrim... lol

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

IKilled007 wrote: »

rophez_ESO wrote: »

Don't get me wrong. I'm actually enjoying using the nights silence plus vampire sneak passive. I'm just really wondering if it's intended. I know there are also nightblades that can achieve even faster speeds - almost horse speeds, while sneaking! I mean seriously, I don't even sprint anymore I just stay crouched and I run around almost as fast as my horse.

I understand people who really are enjoying themselves and don't want this to change - it is fun running superfast all the time, especially when you're hiding, but I just feel kind of dirty doing it.

I really think ZOS just needs to put a cap on sneak speed. It doesn't make sense to ever be able to sneak faster than you can sprint!

OMFG all the problems with this game and you people want to "fix" the few joys we have. Let's ruin any fun night blades have at all.

Yeah because screw all the nightblades who are not vampires yet, we don't care about them. In fact screw everyone else as long as I have OP abilities.

ItsMeToo wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Oh also to the people defending the set/speed stacking with the argument "vampires are meant to be supernaturally fast", what does the so called lore saying about vampires and daylight ? ... yeah thought so...

ESO's vampire lore says that this variety of vampire don't have a problem with sunlight. ... yeah thought so...

Exactly. ESO's... ES lore say nothing of the sort. In fact the only ES game that featured vampires walking on sunlight was skyrim, but yeah... lore and Skyrim... lol

there are actually multiple clans of vampires with different abilities.

In Oblivion you could walk in the sun also, until you got to a certain stage. Then you became flammable.

I'd also like a explanation about how exactly being able to sneak fast outside of combat is OP.

I still use my horse in cyrodiil most of the time because it's faster. If I'm skulking around trying to catch people to gank, I don't get an unfair advantage when I engage, and I can't actually chase the mounted ones down. Come to think of it,that speed has not helped me gank anyone, I have teleport strike for that.

It's a lot of fun, and I will be very angry if it is removed, but I gain absolutely zero combat benefits from it.

For it to be OP< I would have to be getting an unfair advantage.

I am guessing you are a nightblade that doesn't want to be a vampire and resent the synergy. Well, vampires already sneak much faster than you will be able to as a non-vampire, and have been for some time. Plus, jealousy is a crappy excuse to cry for a nerf.

But I will take streak in trade quite happily. I could move even faster, stun people I am moving through, and actually port from place to place, all using 1 ability slot and that's it.

yelloweyedemon · August 2014

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

IKilled007 wrote: »

rophez_ESO wrote: »

Don't get me wrong. I'm actually enjoying using the nights silence plus vampire sneak passive. I'm just really wondering if it's intended. I know there are also nightblades that can achieve even faster speeds - almost horse speeds, while sneaking! I mean seriously, I don't even sprint anymore I just stay crouched and I run around almost as fast as my horse.

I understand people who really are enjoying themselves and don't want this to change - it is fun running superfast all the time, especially when you're hiding, but I just feel kind of dirty doing it.

I really think ZOS just needs to put a cap on sneak speed. It doesn't make sense to ever be able to sneak faster than you can sprint!

OMFG all the problems with this game and you people want to "fix" the few joys we have. Let's ruin any fun night blades have at all.

Yeah because screw all the nightblades who are not vampires yet, we don't care about them. In fact screw everyone else as long as I have OP abilities.

ItsMeToo wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Oh also to the people defending the set/speed stacking with the argument "vampires are meant to be supernaturally fast", what does the so called lore saying about vampires and daylight ? ... yeah thought so...

ESO's vampire lore says that this variety of vampire don't have a problem with sunlight. ... yeah thought so...

Exactly. ESO's... ES lore say nothing of the sort. In fact the only ES game that featured vampires walking on sunlight was skyrim, but yeah... lore and Skyrim... lol

there are actually multiple clans of vampires with different abilities.

In Oblivion you could walk in the sun also, until you got to a certain stage. Then you became flammable.

I'd also like a explanation about how exactly being able to sneak fast outside of combat is OP.

I still use my horse in cyrodiil most of the time because it's faster. If I'm skulking around trying to catch people to gank, I don't get an unfair advantage when I engage, and I can't actually chase the mounted ones down. Come to think of it,that speed has not helped me gank anyone, I have teleport strike for that.

It's a lot of fun, and I will be very angry if it is removed, but I gain absolutely zero combat benefits from it.

For it to be OP< I would have to be getting an unfair advantage.

I am guessing you are a nightblade that doesn't want to be a vampire and resent the synergy. Well, vampires already sneak much faster than you will be able to as a non-vampire, and have been for some time. Plus, jealousy is a crappy excuse to cry for a nerf.

But I will take streak in trade quite happily. I could move even faster, stun people I am moving through, and actually port from place to place, all using 1 ability slot and that's it.

It's not about me being or not being vampire. It is about vampires having so powerfull abilities/synergies, that more than half the PvP total population are vampires.
If this is to continue, rename the game to Vampires online: Featuring WW's, mortals, and some old ES faces...

smeeprocketnub19_ESO · August 2014

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

IKilled007 wrote: »

rophez_ESO wrote: »

Don't get me wrong. I'm actually enjoying using the nights silence plus vampire sneak passive. I'm just really wondering if it's intended. I know there are also nightblades that can achieve even faster speeds - almost horse speeds, while sneaking! I mean seriously, I don't even sprint anymore I just stay crouched and I run around almost as fast as my horse.

I understand people who really are enjoying themselves and don't want this to change - it is fun running superfast all the time, especially when you're hiding, but I just feel kind of dirty doing it.

I really think ZOS just needs to put a cap on sneak speed. It doesn't make sense to ever be able to sneak faster than you can sprint!

OMFG all the problems with this game and you people want to "fix" the few joys we have. Let's ruin any fun night blades have at all.

Yeah because screw all the nightblades who are not vampires yet, we don't care about them. In fact screw everyone else as long as I have OP abilities.

ItsMeToo wrote: »

yelloweyedemon wrote: »

Oh also to the people defending the set/speed stacking with the argument "vampires are meant to be supernaturally fast", what does the so called lore saying about vampires and daylight ? ... yeah thought so...

ESO's vampire lore says that this variety of vampire don't have a problem with sunlight. ... yeah thought so...

Exactly. ESO's... ES lore say nothing of the sort. In fact the only ES game that featured vampires walking on sunlight was skyrim, but yeah... lore and Skyrim... lol

there are actually multiple clans of vampires with different abilities.

In Oblivion you could walk in the sun also, until you got to a certain stage. Then you became flammable.

I'd also like a explanation about how exactly being able to sneak fast outside of combat is OP.

I still use my horse in cyrodiil most of the time because it's faster. If I'm skulking around trying to catch people to gank, I don't get an unfair advantage when I engage, and I can't actually chase the mounted ones down. Come to think of it,that speed has not helped me gank anyone, I have teleport strike for that.

It's a lot of fun, and I will be very angry if it is removed, but I gain absolutely zero combat benefits from it.

For it to be OP< I would have to be getting an unfair advantage.

I am guessing you are a nightblade that doesn't want to be a vampire and resent the synergy. Well, vampires already sneak much faster than you will be able to as a non-vampire, and have been for some time. Plus, jealousy is a crappy excuse to cry for a nerf.

But I will take streak in trade quite happily. I could move even faster, stun people I am moving through, and actually port from place to place, all using 1 ability slot and that's it.

It's not about me being or not being vampire. It is about vampires having so powerfull abilities/synergies, that more than half the PvP total population are vampires.
If this is to continue, rename the game to Vampires online: Featuring WW's, mortals, and some old ES faces...

You did not answer my question at all. From what you said it's more that you have a person grudge against vampires.

Are vampires perhaps too powerful? I could agree with that.

If I was going to list OP things about vampires, being able to sneak fast wouldn't be one of them though.

You shouldn't be calling for a nerf to all things vampire because you feel they are overpowered. Call to nerf the OP abilities.

You might as well complain about the improved health regen passive we get for stage 2-4 which gives I think like 6 health regen. Or that we have passives to stun enemies we sneak up on and feed from, no one in pvp feeds ever.

eNumbra · September 2014

World

Vampire
Fixed an issue where you could stack the Dark Stalker passive with the Night’s Silence or Shadow Dancer’s Raiment item sets to move at mount speed. This is no longer possible—you get the bonus from either Dark Stalker or Night’s Silence or Shadow Dancer’s Raiment.

Congrats.

People can still block and cast spells simultaneously and horses can still sprint endlessly.

But at least they fixed something that wasn't broken, that was called "intended" originally and isn't nearly as *** as a dozen other incredibly specific builds. That'll fix the inevitable doom-spiral this game's caught in.

NadiusMaximus · September 2014

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

kitsinni wrote: »

If you are going to take this away you might as well take away infinite horse sprinting to go along with it. Bolt escape should also probably have a cooldown period before being used again. You should also cap maximum cost reduction from sets like Seducer with light armor passives. You should also probably stop Warlock + Seducer combination

I 100% agree. In fact this is what playing ESO should look like.

Ehhhhh. The main problem with that pick, is the kid on the right isn't spaming impulse or using batswarm. So, I call fake pic.

Phinix1 · September 2014

eNumbra wrote: »

World - Vampire

Fixed an issue where you could stack the Dark Stalker passive with the Night’s Silence or Shadow Dancer’s Raiment item sets to move at mount speed. This is no longer possible—you get the bonus from either Dark Stalker or Night’s Silence or Shadow Dancer’s Raiment.

...

Congrats.

People can still block and cast spells simultaneously and horses can still sprint endlessly.

But at least they fixed something that wasn't broken, that was called "intended" originally and isn't nearly as *** as a dozen other incredibly specific builds. That'll fix the inevitable doom-spiral this game's caught in.

Another failure...

Should have capped sneak speak so vampires could still get SOME benefit.

/wave

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

Xanthro · September 2014

rophez_ESO wrote: »

eNumbra wrote: »

rophez_ESO wrote: »

You see what I'm saying? It's silly to think you can crouch and SNEAK around faster than you can SPRINT. It's clearly a bug. Get over it.

You're using an enchanted armor set; magic can be used to explain lots of things; but hey, lets roll with this logic.

So a 2 trait "magic" armor set can make you travel super fast, but somehow the wizards haven't figured out how to make a "magic" armor set that can let you run fast openly? If the devs wanted you to have super speed, you really think they'd only give it to people that are sneaking? Does it really compute? It's a bug, bud.

The reason why it is in stealth is a balancing factor. In stealth you can carry a scroll, you can't use batswarm, you can't spam impulse. There are lots of offensive things you can't do in stealth, that you can do outside of stealth.
If the set gave you that speed bonus outside of stealth, everyone would be using it because it would have almost no disadvantages, it would be usable in combat, and there would be no time to enter the mode.
Now, I have to enter stealth and get hidden before the bonus sets in. Sometimes I have to go 10 minutes of more stuck in combat wearing a set giving me no 5 set bonus at all.

Vizier · September 2014

Sneak speeds are here to stay. Already been confirmed as working as intended. So...... Pfffft

"Nothing to see here. Move along."