Desdemonte wrote: »Desdemonte wrote: »ezareth_ESO wrote: »90%+ of the people out there are using....isn't very good.
Does this not in itself scream that there is something fundamentally wrong, if the vast majority of NBs want to play the prototypical character, but it is a massive fail in comparison to outfitting your NB as though it was a Sorc?
I cannot fathom how NBs were so frigging powerful on the Beta PTS that they had to be nerffed so far into the dirt. It's enraging in how they went so overboard with the nerf, instead of going to a reasonable endpoint.
NBs are awesome. You're doing it wrong. Maybe you are still playing the game pre 1.3??
Yeah, doing it wrong like refusing to wear a skirt and use a Resto staff or go sword and board. If I wanted to be a sorc or a tank, I'd roll a sorc or a tank.
No, I'm full medium with no staffs. I'm actually doing really well in the current meta due to 1.3.
Desdemonte wrote: »What people seem to keep missing is the blatant fact that basic design of the Nightblade class is completely [snip] up. @Rylana sure, that is an effective build but what armour and weapon passives were put into the NB class? Was it Light armour and staff? No. It was Medium armour and Dual wield. The NB cannot be best played as it was fundamentally (mis)designed to be played. It needs to be played as a sorc, or a tank.
Sure, it *can* be played as DW with some inventive design but it won't be optimal. It's prototypical design is *not optimal* and a person needs to throw the intended design out the window to make it even somewhat comparable to the unorthodox builds. Let that sink in.
Desdemonte wrote: »What people seem to keep missing is the blatant fact that basic design of the Nightblade class is completely [snip] up. @Rylana sure, that is an effective build but what armour and weapon passives were put into the NB class? Was it Light armour and staff? No. It was Medium armour and Dual wield. The NB cannot be best played as it was fundamentally (mis)designed to be played. It needs to be played as a sorc, or a tank.
Sure, it *can* be played as DW with some inventive design but it won't be optimal. It's prototypical design is *not optimal* and a person needs to throw the intended design out the window to make it even somewhat comparable to the unorthodox builds. Let that sink in.
Lies! You see that new and innovative NB sap>ring build above you! Can't wait until that guy levels his destro staff and shoots some vids!theres no hope....
nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO wrote: »I play a Bow/DW/Med armor/Vamp NB and I seriously see no problem with the class as such. The ability to have the best burst damage and best single target CC in the game is really good in pvp.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lVGuyFcd8nkDesdemonte wrote: »What people seem to keep missing is the blatant fact that basic design of the Nightblade class is completely fcked up. @Rylana sure, that is an effective build but what armour and weapon passives were put into the NB class? Was it Light armour and staff? No. It was Medium armour and Dual wield. The NB cannot be best played as it was fundamentally (mis)designed to be played. It needs to be played as a sorc, or a tank.
Sure, it *can* be played as DW with some inventive design but it won't be optimal. It's prototypical design is *not optimal* and a person needs to throw the intended design out the window to make it even somewhat comparable to the unorthodox builds. Let that sink in.
The siphoning tree can be a destro resto tree. None of the passives have anything to do with any weapons.
Guys dont use one of the only class aoe skills that generates ulti and heals. Dont stand on your ulti that deals aoe dmg and gives you 60% dmg reduction... Dont think at all guys just spam snipe and venom arrow from stealth wooooooo...
Desdemonte wrote: »The actives are buffed via Stamina because they are considered melee distance. Damage from Ambush and Impale have nothing to do with Magicka, Spell Damage, other than requiring Magicka to use them.
The skills are a mix of spell (Path) and weapon (Veiled Strike) damage or Utility. I think we can all agree that Veiled Strike is far better than Path for DPS. So I have to give this tree to Stamina as well. Veil of Blades is 5m so I think it's crit is weapon based as well.
Guys dont use one of the only class aoe skills that generates ulti and heals. Dont stand on your ulti that deals aoe dmg and gives you 60% dmg reduction... Dont think at all guys just spam snipe and venom arrow from stealth wooooooo...
now quote all the many what other class can do, and repeat the few what NB... Troll
Desdemonte wrote: »Desdemonte wrote: »What people seem to keep missing is the blatant fact that basic design of the Nightblade class is completely fcked up. @Rylana sure, that is an effective build but what armour and weapon passives were put into the NB class? Was it Light armour and staff? No. It was Medium armour and Dual wield. The NB cannot be best played as it was fundamentally (mis)designed to be played. It needs to be played as a sorc, or a tank.
Sure, it *can* be played as DW with some inventive design but it won't be optimal. It's prototypical design is *not optimal* and a person needs to throw the intended design out the window to make it even somewhat comparable to the unorthodox builds. Let that sink in.
The siphoning tree can be a destro resto tree. None of the passives have anything to do with any weapons.
Yeah, I'll give you that BUT the only "Magicka" passive in the Siphoning tree is to increase the max amount. The rest are utility.
The Assassin tree passives are aimed at weapon crit chance and damage. The actives are buffed via Stamina because they are considered melee distance. Although Staff light/heavy attacks are Stamina buffed, they are not big contributors to overall DPS. It's not like your weaving Assassin skills. Damage from Ambush and Impale have nothing to do with Magicka, Spell Damage, or Spell Crit other than requiring Magicka to use them.
In the Shadow tree, the 1st passive is Stamina based. The skills are a mix of spell (Path) and weapon (Veiled Strike) damage or Utility. I think we can all agree that Veiled Strike is far better than Path for DPS. So I have to give this tree to Stamina as well. Veil of Blades is 5m so I think it's crit is weapon based as well.
So, that's 2 of the 3 trees that are better used by pumping Stamina and Weapon Crit. The 3rd tree is Utility, unless you want to play your NB as a sorc. If you wanted to do that though, you may as well play a sorc as they are far more powerful.
The classic "assassin" is a suboptimal build, which is what (I assume) most NBs want to play, or they would have rolled a sorc (who can do the casting stuff far better).
Desdemonte wrote: »The Assassin tree passives are aimed at weapon crit chance and damage.
Desdemonte wrote: »Damage from Ambush and Impale have nothing to do with Magicka, Spell Damage, or Spell Crit other than requiring Magicka to use them.
Desdemonte wrote: »You didn't say anything about sword and board, I noticed. Or is it two hander? My best guess would be the bow Snipe build though, which is really as close to an Assassin NB that I could imagine not being a DW (which is where the NB passives lie).
Desdemonte wrote: »The Assassin tree passives are aimed at weapon crit chance and damage. The actives are buffed via Stamina because they are considered melee distance. Although Staff light/heavy attacks are Stamina buffed, they are not big contributors to overall DPS. It's not like your weaving Assassin skills. Damage from Ambush and Impale have nothing to do with Magicka, Spell Damage, or Spell Crit other than requiring Magicka to use them.
NB need fixes, thats fact but some people need to learn how NB works.Desdemonte wrote: »The actives are buffed via Stamina because they are considered melee distance. Damage from Ambush and Impale have nothing to do with Magicka, Spell Damage, other than requiring Magicka to use them.
The skills are a mix of spell (Path) and weapon (Veiled Strike) damage or Utility. I think we can all agree that Veiled Strike is far better than Path for DPS. So I have to give this tree to Stamina as well. Veil of Blades is 5m so I think it's crit is weapon based as well.
This is complete false.
Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »Desdemonte wrote: »The Assassin tree passives are aimed at weapon crit chance and damage.
The assassin tree passives "Master Assassin" and "Pressure Points" also buff spell power/crit.
Desdemonte wrote: »Yes, they do. But what good is it to the actives in that tree? Not much. It's the dichotomy of resource useage for NBs that is fcked up.
Desdemonte wrote: »Plus I did not say anywhere that the buff from Ambush did not help non melee skills. You are puting words into my mouth.
Desdemonte wrote: »You didn't say anything about sword and board, I noticed. Or is it two hander? My best guess would be the bow Snipe build though, which is really as close to an Assassin NB that I could imagine not being a DW (which is where the NB passives lie).
I'm so glad ESO has gatekeepers like Desdemonte to tell all Nightblade players which weapons to use in order to play the class the right way.
Desdemonte wrote: »Desdemonte wrote: »You didn't say anything about sword and board, I noticed. Or is it two hander? My best guess would be the bow Snipe build though, which is really as close to an Assassin NB that I could imagine not being a DW (which is where the NB passives lie).
I'm so glad ESO has gatekeepers like Desdemonte to tell all Nightblade players which weapons to use in order to play the class the right way.
I'm just saying that *most* people would see it as NightBLADE, not NightSTAFF when they come to this game looking for a stealth class.
Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »Desdemonte wrote: »Desdemonte wrote: »You didn't say anything about sword and board, I noticed. Or is it two hander? My best guess would be the bow Snipe build though, which is really as close to an Assassin NB that I could imagine not being a DW (which is where the NB passives lie).
I'm so glad ESO has gatekeepers like Desdemonte to tell all Nightblade players which weapons to use in order to play the class the right way.
I'm just saying that *most* people would see it as NightBLADE, not NightSTAFF when they come to this game looking for a stealth class.
You should try NightSwordnBoard. It works pretty well also.
Desdemonte wrote: »I'm just saying that *most* people would see it as NightBLADE, not NightSTAFF when they come to this game looking for a stealth class.
Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »
You are right, you didn't say that. But you did say that Ambush has nothing to do with spell damage/magicka, and I wanted to give an example of how Ambush has synergy with spell based builds.
Desdemonte wrote: »Desdemonte wrote: »Desdemonte wrote: »ezareth_ESO wrote: »90%+ of the people out there are using....isn't very good.
Does this not in itself scream that there is something fundamentally wrong, if the vast majority of NBs want to play the prototypical character, but it is a massive fail in comparison to outfitting your NB as though it was a Sorc?
I cannot fathom how NBs were so frigging powerful on the Beta PTS that they had to be nerffed so far into the dirt. It's enraging in how they went so overboard with the nerf, instead of going to a reasonable endpoint.
NBs are awesome. You're doing it wrong. Maybe you are still playing the game pre 1.3??
Yeah, doing it wrong like refusing to wear a skirt and use a Resto staff or go sword and board. If I wanted to be a sorc or a tank, I'd roll a sorc or a tank.
No, I'm full medium with no staffs. I'm actually doing really well in the current meta due to 1.3.
You didn't say anything about sword and board, I noticed. Or is it two hander? My best guess would be the bow Snipe build though, which is really as close to an Assassin NB that I could imagine not being a DW (which is where the NB passives lie). I'm not saying that there are are not *feasible* medium armour builds, or even medium/DW/Bow, but they are nowhere near *optimal*, as per my post above. Even that bow build can be countered more easily than a LA/staff or S&B, but at least it's got a lot of potential. TBH though, I'm still trying to figure out a good way to get through the shield stacking that Sorcs do lol.
decado0024_ESO wrote: »I don't want to start sounding like a broken record, however this is getting out of hand. the imbalances in the game are killing the pvp to such an extent that the only thing that is viable is wearing light armor and using a staff. I for one did not roll a nightblade to be a mage. I rolled a night blade because I wanted to be the stealthy backstab player that mages and healers need to be alert for as they hide in the back lines. and yes the stam based nightblade is slightly viable as a solo ganker. at v12 with gold and purple gear if I get the jump on someone and they are alone I can usually burst them down in a sec or two. however that being said if the initial burst doesn't kill them its game over. and im sure that there is going to be a troll somewhere telling me to get better. well whatever I can roll with the best of them. all im asking for is a little balance and for some things to be fixed that should not be broken. for as long as the game has been out there is no reason at all that I should be getting a glitch when I try to swap weapons in stealth. for some unknown reason dark cloak is not removing DoTs anymore, and now because of that little bug its really hard to break contact. why is it viable that everyone uses immovable when they don't even have one piece of heavy armor on. and why is there a skill that completely negates CC in the first place. when you look at the skill listing for players classes everyone has a viable defensive skill except nightblades. dks have reflective scale Templars have blazing shield and sorcs have more bubbles than I can count. why is it that nightblades get stuck with a chance to miss buff. a chance to miss lol why not just tell us to screw off and only give us 4 skills in that tree as that skill is completely useless. are ppl aware that streak is able to repeat stun on command. mages can streak u hit u with another skill and streak u again and rinse and repeat endlessly. im not trying to say that nightblades need to be the op class of the game I have a v12 nb and dk and im working on my sorc and temp now, my concern is that every other class has several different options available to it in terms of gameplay style where the only effective nb as of right now is wearing cloth and using a stick. im srry but I picked a nb to be as close to an assassin as I can get and im not the only one. its bad enough that the majority of players are cheap and will change their build to whatever is broken/overpowered at the time. but some ppl myself included want to be original and build a char that is all their own and play it their way and myself and the few others of like mind are getting screwed but the copy and paste crap spam builds every day its getting old fast. please fix this.