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Zubba

kijima wrote: »

The 10 dudes standing on a flag at a resource today, they got wiped by...wait for it, you guessed it a Nightblade. I'd bet they were thinking after they got wiped, yup those poor NB's are so weak, jeez they need a buff.

Immovable>Ambush>Bat Swarm>Sap Essence>Whirlwind (the last two get spammed) and then it's "Oh noes, they all fall down".

Yeah, NB's are out of balance. They need more buffs

Hmm.. Well don't you Think other classes could have done the same?

Immovable > X skill > Bat Swarm > X > X should work just fine

Nermy

CBA readingthe OP's wall of text but I am a NB, dual wield/bow and a medium armour wearer and I have no problems in Cyro. Sure I die sometimes but my K/D ratio is in the positive at the moment.

Kypho

got an idea. If u pvping, go light armor, destrostaff and vampire, use your swarm, and run into enemy + spam aoe. THATS the skill of eso pvp. It works for every class.
I want to thank to ZoS that they made this game so decent that you dont need to do other than that. follow ppl with swarm and spam aoe. Maybe use speed pot so noone can run away lallalalaaa. lolZOS

Kypho

BTW im sure they lost many subs, and 1 more for sure now. ... ZoS

c0rp

I refuse to read that, so I'll just say this is a L2P issue concerning nightblades.

Bouvin

Zubba wrote: »

kijima wrote: »

The 10 dudes standing on a flag at a resource today, they got wiped by...wait for it, you guessed it a Nightblade. I'd bet they were thinking after they got wiped, yup those poor NB's are so weak, jeez they need a buff.

Immovable>Ambush>Bat Swarm>Sap Essence>Whirlwind (the last two get spammed) and then it's "Oh noes, they all fall down".

Yeah, NB's are out of balance. They need more buffs

Hmm.. Well don't you Think other classes could have done the same?

Immovable > X skill > Bat Swarm > X > X should work just fine

Ya... Can see Immovable & Bat Swarm nerfs incoming.

Ezareth

Desdemonte wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Desdemonte wrote: »

You didn't say anything about sword and board, I noticed. Or is it two hander? My best guess would be the bow Snipe build though, which is really as close to an Assassin NB that I could imagine not being a DW (which is where the NB passives lie).

I'm so glad ESO has gatekeepers like Desdemonte to tell all Nightblade players which weapons to use in order to play the class the right way.

I'm just saying that *most* people would see it as NightBLADE, not NightSTAFF when they come to this game looking for a stealth class.

Desdemonte wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Desdemonte wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Desdemonte wrote: »

You didn't say anything about sword and board, I noticed. Or is it two hander? My best guess would be the bow Snipe build though, which is really as close to an Assassin NB that I could imagine not being a DW (which is where the NB passives lie).

I'm so glad ESO has gatekeepers like Desdemonte to tell all Nightblade players which weapons to use in order to play the class the right way.

I'm just saying that *most* people would see it as NightBLADE, not NightSTAFF when they come to this game looking for a stealth class.

You should try NightSwordnBoard. It works pretty well also.

Yeah, I know lol

Does it really matter what weapons you use? I expected to use a Destruction staff when I started this game as a sorc and I don't have a single skill point put into destruction. I use a Resto staff (because that is the best damage and the only way I have access to combat self-heals) and a Sword and Shield. I don't even have a sword and shield ability, I use it for the passives and the fact I can get 2 items for set bonuses off it.

The entire crux of your complaint seems to be with the fact you can't play the game the way you want it to work effectively. That's not how games work.

The best nightblades I can think of right now that I've faced are ALL running pure stamina builds. I don't know crap about night blades except how to counter their various incarnations but you don't have to be a staff using NB to be effective but every decision has a consequence.

Makkir

I would highly recommend you invest a few skill points in paragraphs.

Desdemonte

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Desdemonte wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Desdemonte wrote: »

You didn't say anything about sword and board, I noticed. Or is it two hander? My best guess would be the bow Snipe build though, which is really as close to an Assassin NB that I could imagine not being a DW (which is where the NB passives lie).

I'm so glad ESO has gatekeepers like Desdemonte to tell all Nightblade players which weapons to use in order to play the class the right way.

I'm just saying that *most* people would see it as NightBLADE, not NightSTAFF when they come to this game looking for a stealth class.

Desdemonte wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Desdemonte wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Desdemonte wrote: »

You didn't say anything about sword and board, I noticed. Or is it two hander? My best guess would be the bow Snipe build though, which is really as close to an Assassin NB that I could imagine not being a DW (which is where the NB passives lie).

I'm so glad ESO has gatekeepers like Desdemonte to tell all Nightblade players which weapons to use in order to play the class the right way.

I'm just saying that *most* people would see it as NightBLADE, not NightSTAFF when they come to this game looking for a stealth class.

You should try NightSwordnBoard. It works pretty well also.

Yeah, I know lol

The entire crux of your complaint seems to be with the fact you can't play the game the way you want it to work effectively. That's not how games work.

Well, it's the way this game was *supposed* to work.

Raeder

I'll shut up the naysayers right now with this.

http://i.imgur.com/ov8nOZ8.png

This was taken 4 days before Thornblade cycled.

DKs score 33% more than NBs do.

Sorcs score 25% more than NBs do.

Templars score about the same as NBs do, and if Templars were rewarded correctly for their healing, they'd be up there with the other classes.

NBs are NOT fine. Their defensive cooldowns suck. I can put the hurt down on people without the lame PvP stat, but I can't hurt most DKs as block and reflect mitigates all of my heavy hitting abilities. I can't hurt the Sorc blinkbatswarmers either.

krim

Raeder wrote: »

I'll shut up the naysayers right now with this.

http://i.imgur.com/ov8nOZ8.png

This was taken 4 days before Thornblade cycled.

DKs score 33% more than NBs do.

Sorcs score 25% more than NBs do.

Templars score about the same as NBs do, and if Templars were rewarded correctly for their healing, they'd be up there with the other classes.

NBs are NOT fine. Their defensive cooldowns suck. I can put the hurt down on people without the lame PvP stat, but I can't hurt most DKs as block and reflect mitigates all of my heavy hitting abilities. I can't hurt the Sorc blinkbatswarmers either.

The way you are playing your NB is not fine. The number one AD on chil right now is a NB.

Rylana

Raeder wrote: »

I'll shut up the naysayers right now with this.

http://i.imgur.com/ov8nOZ8.png

This was taken 4 days before Thornblade cycled.

DKs score 33% more than NBs do.

Sorcs score 25% more than NBs do.

Templars score about the same as NBs do, and if Templars were rewarded correctly for their healing, they'd be up there with the other classes.

NBs are NOT fine. Their defensive cooldowns suck. I can put the hurt down on people without the lame PvP stat, but I can't hurt most DKs as block and reflect mitigates all of my heavy hitting abilities. I can't hurt the Sorc blinkbatswarmers either.

You wont shut me up because my DK actually has less overall AP than my NB and my DK is my main. My templar is actually my highest ranker overall.

try again.

Raeder

Rylana wrote: »

Raeder wrote: »

I'll shut up the naysayers right now with this.

http://i.imgur.com/ov8nOZ8.png

This was taken 4 days before Thornblade cycled.

DKs score 33% more than NBs do.

Sorcs score 25% more than NBs do.

Templars score about the same as NBs do, and if Templars were rewarded correctly for their healing, they'd be up there with the other classes.

NBs are NOT fine. Their defensive cooldowns suck. I can put the hurt down on people without the lame PvP stat, but I can't hurt most DKs as block and reflect mitigates all of my heavy hitting abilities. I can't hurt the Sorc blinkbatswarmers either.

You wont shut me up because my DK actually has less overall AP than my NB and my DK is my main. My templar is actually my highest ranker overall.

try again.

Your experience is not the average experience, and the leaderboards from last campaign prove it.

Rylana

Raeder wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Raeder wrote: »

I'll shut up the naysayers right now with this.

http://i.imgur.com/ov8nOZ8.png

This was taken 4 days before Thornblade cycled.

DKs score 33% more than NBs do.

Sorcs score 25% more than NBs do.

Templars score about the same as NBs do, and if Templars were rewarded correctly for their healing, they'd be up there with the other classes.

NBs are NOT fine. Their defensive cooldowns suck. I can put the hurt down on people without the lame PvP stat, but I can't hurt most DKs as block and reflect mitigates all of my heavy hitting abilities. I can't hurt the Sorc blinkbatswarmers either.

You wont shut me up because my DK actually has less overall AP than my NB and my DK is my main. My templar is actually my highest ranker overall.

try again.

Your experience is not the average experience, and the leaderboards from last campaign prove it.

Actually, the AD leaderboards on Dawnbreaker 2.0 had seven nightblades in the top 10, five of which became emperors, your argument is invalid.

Ezareth

Desdemonte wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

Desdemonte wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Desdemonte wrote: »

You didn't say anything about sword and board, I noticed. Or is it two hander? My best guess would be the bow Snipe build though, which is really as close to an Assassin NB that I could imagine not being a DW (which is where the NB passives lie).

I'm so glad ESO has gatekeepers like Desdemonte to tell all Nightblade players which weapons to use in order to play the class the right way.

I'm just saying that *most* people would see it as NightBLADE, not NightSTAFF when they come to this game looking for a stealth class.

Desdemonte wrote: »

Pancake-Tragedy wrote: »

Desdemonte wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Desdemonte wrote: »

You didn't say anything about sword and board, I noticed. Or is it two hander? My best guess would be the bow Snipe build though, which is really as close to an Assassin NB that I could imagine not being a DW (which is where the NB passives lie).

I'm so glad ESO has gatekeepers like Desdemonte to tell all Nightblade players which weapons to use in order to play the class the right way.

I'm just saying that *most* people would see it as NightBLADE, not NightSTAFF when they come to this game looking for a stealth class.

You should try NightSwordnBoard. It works pretty well also.

Yeah, I know lol

The entire crux of your complaint seems to be with the fact you can't play the game the way you want it to work effectively. That's not how games work.

Well, it's the way this game was *supposed* to work.

No this game was supposed to allow you to play how you want. And you can. The game is easy enough you can do most of the PvE content with whatever trash build you come up with. You can even do PvP however you want.


PvP however isn't so forgiving. It is impossible to balance every possible aspect of every possible combination of skills and classes so that if you faceroll your skill choices you'll be as effective as someone who carefully considers and chooses his skills based upon their synergies with their class and their playstyle.

That's in essence what you' asking and it's impossible as well as profoundly naive.

ESO is a PVE game. They have to balance the game around PVE first, PVP second where possible. The only way they could balance the game around PVE and PVP would be to disassociate the two by giving you different modifiers in PVP far more intrusively than the HP buff, range, and armor piercing we currently get.

Grim13

This game is bloody laughable!

Clouding Swarm's invisibility doesn't stop NPC Guards from running up to you and melee attacking.

I sincerely doubt ZOS could program their way out of a calculator, atm.

Nefrast

Rylana wrote: »

Actually, the AD leaderboards on Dawnbreaker 2.0 had seven nightblades in the top 10, five of which became emperors, your argument is invalid.

You can't prove anything with these numbers. The people on top could be there because they just play better than others. You would have to prove that they would not be able to reach these positions would they play another class with the same enthusiasm.

Clansman2013

As a medium wearing NB, I get better results with specific targets. I find sneaking around the back of the enemy and taking down their casters/healers works better for me. I can survive fairly well toe to toe with a DK, but usually in the end, I have to vanish and GTFO

Bouvin

This seems to have started recently...

Anyone else having the issue where mobs drop out of combat when using Shadow Cloak? It's especially bad with Dark Shades up.

And I'm not talking about trying to stun lock a mob repeatedly... it's happening to me on the first use of Shadow Cloak.

I'm also having mobs drop combat when using Aspect of Terror. A lot.

I can understand the devs not wanting people to just spam Shadow Cloak or Aspect of Terror, but making the mobs drop combat when using those skills seems really buggy to me. If they wanted to control it, why wouldn't they just use diminishing returns or timers?