Halrloprillalar wrote: »so... can I have your stuff
Dleatherus wrote: »Skafsgaard wrote: »Dleatherus wrote: »
caltrops (fixed)
emperor farming
AP gain exploits thru oil farm parties etc
siege weapon limit (addressed)
dk chain pull to ninja cap keeps (fixed)
dragon leap behind gates/onto keeps (being addressed)
accessing area behind closed temple scroll gates (being addressed)
stacking of armor buffs
one shot kill from scaling damage bug and hits recorded up to 50,000
troll camps sabotaging keeps attacks/defenses (being addressed)
D.
emperor farming is not an exploit per se
AP farming is not an exploit per se
I thought the lead was fixed, but im not sure
now the access thing is clearly there and I wont deny it and yes, pls fix it
No idea about the set stacking bug, see my questions for OP
damage bug is, as I understand it atm, not something you can choose to do and or easily replicate, it happens and some people will be honourable about and others not (yes, some will exploit it when it happens, my point is they cannot MAKE it happen it just does)
Camp thing, well, in my mind it is more with griefing which will ALWAYS happen when you put 3+ people together
I guess my point is, it is healthy to distinguish real intentional abuses/exploits.
I know griefing is annoying, but it cannot ever be dealt with, we need a race change for that.
[EDIT: i apologize for how long this reply became]
i guess it gets into that age old mmo debate about what is an exploit, what is griefing, and what is plain old-fashiond being out-played
rather than get into a long debate about these semantics, i go with:
exploit = using intended game mechanics generated by either the player or the game, either directly or in combination with other actions, to create unintended results
i have posted in another thread about this, but fully understand that very few people, myself included, have either the time or inclination to be familiar with the content in each and every post
here is a different mmo's stand on when intended game mechanics are used to give an unintended result:
you can ask @Rylana how pleasant of an experience that can be in the current campaigns, though he was mainly griefed against (threats and abuse in zone and tells, players rolling toons in opposing factions to get them to gang up on him etc)
I totally agree with this!What exploits are being used to such effect that they are changing the dynamic of PvP and that you HAVE to use them to succeed? Are you serious? The blatant naivety of people in this game where when they lose they immediately assume exploiting/cheating is mind boggling. Are there that many bow archers 1 shooting you? Like jesus there aren't that many exploits and they are not THAT prevalent.....
Ignoring all the bitching and name-calling.
I've never knowingly used an exploit and I have to say that I'm pretty sure none of the PvP guilds I play with do, would or even condone anyone using them.
I think you'll find most people want a fair fight, using the skills and attributes they have been given. Sure, there are exploiters out there but as honest and trustworthy players, we need to collect the evidence and report them through the proper channels.
Whinging, ranting and raving about it on the forums will do nothing more than feed the trolls and entertain those who get a laugh from the descent into slagging these sort of discussions inevitably do.
Keep the faith and fight the good fight, whatever faction you represent.
Ignoring all the bitching and name-calling.
I've never knowingly used an exploit and I have to say that I'm pretty sure none of the PvP guilds I play with do, would or even condone anyone using them.
The bottom line is no one has the right to dictate to someone how they play their game, and getting emp legitimately is hard enough without the constant backstabbing and drama associated with emp farming.
They sure like trying to....quakedawg_ESO wrote: »
The bottom line is no one has the right to dictate to someone how they play their game, and getting emp legitimately is hard enough without the constant backstabbing and drama associated with emp farming.
Just like no one has the right to dictate what time of day someone decides to play their game either.
At this point we need to define exploit. By strict definition it's using unintended gameplay. For example animation canceling isn't intended but nobody has any qualms about using it. Silver bolts 1 shotting 100% of the time wasn't intended yet 90% (totally made up number) of the population was spamming nothing but bolts for a week. The number of people using bows these days has gone up considerably now that you can insta-kill people with them. Stacking barriers wasn't intended and yet all the cool kids were doing it. CC locking people isn't intended but lots are doing it. It all really depends on where you draw the line at calling something an exploit.
Skafsgaard wrote: »Which is why I told you to go get some updated information to see exactly what it is that I am talking about.
Would you be so kind as to provide a list with specific exploits you're claiming? Im not saying there none, but since you accuse at least back it up - dont challenge other to find the evidence, provide it yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnoBxGdhoYw
there are tons of videos like this all over the internet.
my guild and I have seen it first hand and we have gone to great lengths to find out if this was legitimate gameplay or if, indeed, it was an exploit.
we found that it was not legitimate gameplay. it was not strategy and skill, not the strategy and skill ESO was intended to be played with anyway. Sure, these people are skilled at finding and using exploits. Sure, they have strategy. Their strategy is to use OP exploits.
It is armor stacking, set bonus stacking, and shield stacking. It is clearly an exploit.
Skafsgaard wrote: »Which is why I told you to go get some updated information to see exactly what it is that I am talking about.
Would you be so kind as to provide a list with specific exploits you're claiming? Im not saying there none, but since you accuse at least back it up - dont challenge other to find the evidence, provide it yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnoBxGdhoYw
there are tons of videos like this all over the internet.
my guild and I have seen it first hand and we have gone to great lengths to find out if this was legitimate gameplay or if, indeed, it was an exploit.
we found that it was not legitimate gameplay. it was not strategy and skill, not the strategy and skill ESO was intended to be played with anyway. Sure, these people are skilled at finding and using exploits. Sure, they have strategy. Their strategy is to use OP exploits.
It is armor stacking, set bonus stacking, and shield stacking. It is clearly an exploit.
All I can say about this video is, I don't get it. How he is getting hit so low?
Most the times the incoming hits are between 8dmg and 60dmg... during the whole fight. Crits seems only hit him for 120-300ish. Even when stunned, his incoming damage doesn't even change.
I'm using a very similar build, 5 Heavy 2 Light, all impenetrable, over sofcapped Spell Resist & Armour, and I never ever got such a crazy low incoming damage even standing on top of a Rune Focus.
Normal hits for 10-30? Crits for 100-300?
I also don't get how he can get 0 damage for lapses of 20 seconds. Blinding Flashes last for (max) 7 seconds and has a radius to affect enemies, but he is getting 0 damage even from players who are ranged far away, who are not affected from his Flashes.
Also, it's a 50% miss chance, not a 100%. But he is definitely getting 100%.
Sorry, but I don't get it. Maybe someone do and can explain it to me.
pitdemon_ESO wrote: »Ignoring all the bitching and name-calling.
I've never knowingly used an exploit and I have to say that I'm pretty sure none of the PvP guilds I play with do, would or even condone anyone using them.
I think you'll find most people want a fair fight, using the skills and attributes they have been given. Sure, there are exploiters out there but as honest and trustworthy players, we need to collect the evidence and report them through the proper channels.
Whinging, ranting and raving about it on the forums will do nothing more than feed the trolls and entertain those who get a laugh from the descent into slagging these sort of discussions inevitably do.
Keep the faith and fight the good fight, whatever faction you represent.
Going by your avatar you play a DK. Are you honestly saying you've never abused the Invasion/Talons bug? Never stacked Fragmented Shield?
When bugs and exploits are so intrinsic to PvP you can't even separate them from normal gameplay, your game has some serious god damn issues.
mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »pitdemon_ESO wrote: »Ignoring all the bitching and name-calling.
I've never knowingly used an exploit and I have to say that I'm pretty sure none of the PvP guilds I play with do, would or even condone anyone using them.
I think you'll find most people want a fair fight, using the skills and attributes they have been given. Sure, there are exploiters out there but as honest and trustworthy players, we need to collect the evidence and report them through the proper channels.
Whinging, ranting and raving about it on the forums will do nothing more than feed the trolls and entertain those who get a laugh from the descent into slagging these sort of discussions inevitably do.
Keep the faith and fight the good fight, whatever faction you represent.
Going by your avatar you play a DK. Are you honestly saying you've never abused the Invasion/Talons bug? Never stacked Fragmented Shield?
When bugs and exploits are so intrinsic to PvP you can't even separate them from normal gameplay, your game has some serious god damn issues.
I know you're not addressing me and I agree to an extent with your last sentence but I feel you are using the "abuse" and exploit word very liberally.
I'm also a S&B DK who uses invasion & talons. I do it because in order to do DMG I have to keep players close so I apply cc effects on them to keep them within my DMG range.I'm using two skills in the game the way they are meant to be used. The majority of times people cc break and get out, some times they can't because of the bug.
Am I exploiting or abusing? Is it my fault basic skills have been bugging out for months now? I hope that bug gets fixed of course, because I'm on the receiving end of it as well. But there's no intention on my part to cause unbreakable cc nor can I control when it happens and when not.
And what is the fragmented shield stacking exploit? I'm only aware of the blazing shield damage stack.
Halrloprillalar wrote: »so... can I have your stuff
Dan_Fazzyub17_ESO wrote: »You shouldn't be able to throw Harness Magicka anywhere in your shield rotation (Frag Shield/Hardended Ward/Blazing Shield/Barrier) and get the effects of Harness Magicka for the ENTIRE duration of those shields and get endless magicka as a result.
Dan_Fazzyub17_ESO wrote: »It's killing the AvA meta-game right now to the point where if you and your group are not doing this...you're dumb. There's no room for any kind of growth or actual strategies with how AvA is right now, and that's disappointing. There's a lot of people who have already left and will leave this game if something doesn't get fixed.
Ifthir_ESO wrote: »
It's even worse with coordinated guilds (you know who you are) all stacking shields + barrier. The average player has no chance against that type of enemy coordination coupled with bad game design.
quakedawg_ESO wrote: »
The bottom line is no one has the right to dictate to someone how they play their game, and getting emp legitimately is hard enough without the constant backstabbing and drama associated with emp farming.
Just like no one has the right to dictate what time of day someone decides to play their game either.
The video didn't impress me much with what the so-called cheater was doing. I mean a lot of the guys he killed simply charged in and got their butts handed to them.
What the video doesn't show is the PVP experience of the other players, maybe the players he was fighting really sucked. If I saw a guy lasting that long in a swarm of idiots, I would be attacking him from as far away as possible staying out of his kill range.
The player in the video states that he has to choreograph his attacks and defends perfectly or he will die quickly. Yes he may be using exploits, but he is also very knowledgeable and skilled at what he is doing; The other players weren't too smart in my opinion.
Dan_Fazzyub17_ESO wrote: »Shield stacking has got to go. As far as I'm concerned, it's an exploit. You shouldn't be able to throw Harness Magicka anywhere in your shield rotation (Frag Shield/Hardended Ward/Blazing Shield/Barrier) and get the effects of Harness Magicka for the ENTIRE duration of those shields and get endless magicka as a result. You should only gain those effects for the portion of your damage shield (I believe Harness Magicka IV is a 306 Shield in Cyrodiil?) where Harness Magicka is placed. The effect is also augmented if you're wearing the five-piece Sybrane Set and blocking, which everyone should also be doing because for whatever reason you're allowed to cast abilities and spells and block at the same time.
We're seeing shield stacking being nerfed in the forms of Barrier stacking and soon Bone Shield stacking so I hope Zenimax sees the issue with shield stacking and is going to do something about Harness Magicka.
Right now there is no reason to wear anything else other than Light Armor and stacking Harness Magicka with your class specific shields to regen endless magicka since 90% of incoming damage is spell damage. It's killing the AvA meta-game right now to the point where if you and your group are not doing this...you're dumb. There's no room for any kind of growth or actual strategies with how AvA is right now, and that's disappointing. There's a lot of people who have already left and will leave this game if something doesn't get fixed.
There's also an apparent issue of stacking 5 Piece Bonus Armor sets. I've only heard of this, but apparently under certain conditions you can unequip a five piece set but some how retain the sets effect and equip another 5 piece set on top of that to stack with the other. Which is pretty ridiculous.
Morticielle wrote: »I totally agree with this! OP behaves like a sissy.What exploits are being used to such effect that they are changing the dynamic of PvP and that you HAVE to use them to succeed? Are you serious? The blatant naivety of people in this game where when they lose they immediately assume exploiting/cheating is mind boggling. Are there that many bow archers 1 shooting you? Like jesus there aren't that many exploits and they are not THAT prevalent.....