No thank you, we don't need any of that traditional MMO elitism going on in this game, thanks. (Even more so anyway.)

This is another one of those topics I keep seeing pop up on the forums - I'm guessing it's in other MMOs that I haven't played so people keep looking for it in ESO. It's not something I'm used to since I haven't, but also not interested. It's nobodies business what equipment I'm wearing except mine and those I choose to tell when asked and that is how it should be. Players shouldn't automatically be able to click my character and just magically know what gear I have (even if they are friends/group members).

It doesn't really add anything at all and as someone mentioned, it only encourages elitism in players when it comes to grouping up.

What ever happened to just asking? If you want to know what build someone is using or which gear they're wearing, just ask.

Even with those "friend only" options, you haven't given us any argument as to why this would be a good thing.

Phantax wrote: »

Hmm, not a biased POLL then with 4 yes and only 1 no answer options....lol

I'm asking for your opinion.
I'm not sure if such an option should be introduced.
It was useful in other MMOs but I agree it has some disadvantages.
Furthermore, the majority is always right, so if you're against it for whatever reason, you are more than welcome to state your reason.
I opened this poll in order to reflect the different opinions.(Yes or No).

I just want to know what everyone is wearing :'(

If you want to know, just ask. I can't see any benefit in allowing people to do it "discreetly" (ie, without asking).

I'd love it, but only if it is off by default, and players can select each piece of information that they wish to share.

And they add a character bio option.

Since you didn't include the option to specifically disable information according to the players wishes, I didn't vote. I've no interest in sharing my gear, abilities or builds with others.

Of course, I think the champion system is going to bring that elitism in, full bore. Doubt there's much we can do about it.

Kinsaven wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Full monty please, if only to ***-off the lolbreachofprivacy lobby.

Build is irrelevant, it's clear the moment you see them start to fight what build they're using.

I haven't seen many people who are against it because it 'breaches their privacy'. The most common reason for people to say no is because it encourages elitism, and will cause people to turn down people because of their gear (even in cases where the gear is perfectly fine).

It's got nothing to do with privacy, but everything to do with the kind of attitude this sort of feature encourages.

Edit: For some reason it decided to quote the same message twice.

Two words.

Champion. Rating.

We know little about it. But it does sound like 'encouraging elitism' is already in the plans.

I am one of those people that does craft and/or sometimes where sets as much for looks as function. So I don't need random tells, based on current gear, that I should wear x,y,z instead. As an example, I am training up healing on my Templar now and I have a necromancer set that managed to drop for me questing in the VR3 Silver Zone Shadowfen. I think the set looks cool and I hardly need to outgear the current next few zones. I just feel the desire to look badass and somewhat unique while leveling skills. But I get a tell, "is that necro? Maybe you should wear seducer instead?" Nah just let me look creepy when healing and knightly when tanking, thanks.

sotonin wrote: »

Kinsaven wrote: »

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

Full monty please, if only to ***-off the lolbreachofprivacy lobby.

Build is irrelevant, it's clear the moment you see them start to fight what build they're using.

I haven't seen many people who are against it because it 'breaches their privacy'. The most common reason for people to say no is because it encourages elitism, and will cause people to turn down people because of their gear (even in cases where the gear is perfectly fine).

It's got nothing to do with privacy, but everything to do with the kind of attitude this sort of feature encourages.

Edit: For some reason it decided to quote the same message twice.

How exactly does it have nothing to do with privacy? That's a very valid concern. It violates my privacy if people can look at exactly what i'm wearing, exactly my build etc. So yes. It does apply. It's a violation of privacy that LEADS to elitism. It's all related.

Providing a way to "turn it off" is also not an appropriate solution. It will lead to exactly the same elitism. People will camp out in town recruiting for trials etc. and they will refuse to let you join unless you turn your inspect on so they can judge your gear. It will happen, it's guaranteed.

Maybe that sentence was a bit unfortunate, but surely you understand what I'm getting at and that I'm on your side with this. I also never said that it wasn't a valid concern. If it came across that way, I didn't meant for it to.

Turning it off will do nothing, I agree. It just shouldn't be implemented to begin with, there are no positive sides to it. You would be able to get all of this information simply by asking, and if people don't want to tell you, that's their right.

magnusnet wrote: »

None of the above.

I want the players to be inspectable through ZOS website, no info about skills or achievements (aka what is done in most MMOs).


And for people that fear Elitism, I've said it before, I'll say it again: "Elites" will realize you are a noob, no matter what your gear is and you will never learn anything in Elite groups where you're expected to perform and they *will* kick you from the group without any heart feelings as soon as the instance is failed.

Sadly, you could have inspected their gear to try to at least have a good build but you decided to stay ignorant, hoping to "crash" a so called "Elite" group. GG.

The problem with your entire argument here is that often the elites you are talking about are average in every way, down to their gear. At best, all but a few read some forum thread about what is optimal and they blindly follow those instructions. Then they masquerade as elites, reinforcing their high opinions of themselves by insulting and demeaning others.

Then there is the issue with people experimenting with different gear combinations, which is exactly what they are supposed to be doing. The supposed elites, who rarely think for themselves, will stand in the way of progress in the name of remaining 'elite' by demanding that these people play exactly the way they do.