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Zenimax- Just add a dislike button.
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Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Can we have an Ermahgerd button instead?Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »You want a disagree...
I want all the buttons to show who clicked them and also a limit on how many ratings a person can spam in a day.
If there was some accountability for the ratings it wouldn't be a problem. I just hate when a small percentage of trolls spam buttons all day.
Well you can only "spam" a single button per post. So you can't really have that much of an effect on people, especially since LOL points don't count for anything.
You missed the point.1 -
andrantos✭✭✭Lots of LOL tagging going on in this point.
I personally don't like the idea of a disagree button. If I don't agree with a post, I simply don't tag it as anything. If I really don't agree, I'll even respond.
As someone put it, if you want to use LOL passive aggressively... Then I'll happily take that LOL. I can use all the LOLs I can get!
As a side note, if I don't agree with someone but appreciate their well thought out comments, I've been known to tag it as Insightful.Edited by andrantos on August 11, 2014 1:29PM2 -
Raash✭✭✭✭The real problem is that people feel offended when people dont agree with them. Its as easy as that really.2
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smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lots of LOL tagging going on in this point.
I personally don't like the idea of a disagree button. If I don't agree with a post, I simply don't tag it as anything. If I really don't agree, I'll even respond.
As someone put it, if you want to use LOL passive aggressively... Then I'll happily take that LOL. I can use all the LOLs I can get!
As a side note, if I don't agree with someone but appreciate their well thought out comments, I've been known to tag it as Insightful.
same here, I don't have to agree, or at least agree on everything in the post, to tag it with a positive response.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.0 -
seaef✭✭✭✭✭too many people that can't take criticism so we all have to wear rose colored glasses and pretend every one is special.
Punching a "dislike" or "disagree" button isn't criticism, genius. If you're too lazy to tell someone why you disagree with them, then you're not really participating in the conversation, are you?
TBH, I think the current system is stupid. If you can't take the time to say why you agree, disagree, think something is insightful/awesome, etc. in your own words then you shouldn't be responding at all.
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andrantos✭✭✭GrimGryphon wrote: »too many people that can't take criticism so we all have to wear rose colored glasses and pretend every one is special.
Punching a "dislike" or "disagree" button isn't criticism, genius. If you're too lazy to tell someone why you disagree with them, then you're not really participating in the conversation, are you?
TBH, I think the current system is stupid. If you can't take the time to say why you agree, disagree, think something is insightful/awesome, etc. in your own words then you shouldn't be responding at all.
I disagree. There is a quote,"Speak only if you can improve upon the silence.". Sometimes I simply don't have something meaty enough to respond with but agree or like the post enough to mark it as such. I think that's fair.
I think a disagree button would mostly be used by those like an old passive aggressive roommate. You know, the type that would rather leave post its all over the place. In this case, it really wouldn't be used to improve discussion at all.
I guess that is why I don't see the need for a disagree button as it would rarely be used in constructive posting.0 -
nerevarine1138✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »You want a disagree...
I want all the buttons to show who clicked them and also a limit on how many ratings a person can spam in a day.
If there was some accountability for the ratings it wouldn't be a problem. I just hate when a small percentage of trolls spam buttons all day.
Well you can only "spam" a single button per post. So you can't really have that much of an effect on people, especially since LOL points don't count for anything.
You missed the point.
What was the point, then?
You can't spam someone with ratings that would negatively impact them in any way. So why do you care who's rating your posts?----
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SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »You want a disagree...
I want all the buttons to show who clicked them and also a limit on how many ratings a person can spam in a day.
If there was some accountability for the ratings it wouldn't be a problem. I just hate when a small percentage of trolls spam buttons all day.
Well you can only "spam" a single button per post. So you can't really have that much of an effect on people, especially since LOL points don't count for anything.
You missed the point.
What was the point, then?
You can't spam someone with ratings that would negatively impact them in any way. So why do you care who's rating your posts?
You can not spam a single post, but you can click on every post you see. Get just a few of these people (there are always more than enough) and the 'disagree' trolling begins. Remember this thread is in favor of a dislike button, so we are not talking about what people can currently do. We're talking about what happens when votes have no accountability or limits. Like I said, you can have your dislike button, if you remove the anonymity and add a limit to how many a person can give in a day.Edited by SFBryan18 on August 11, 2014 2:46PM3 -
andrantos✭✭✭Discussions in MMO forums can get heated and emotional quickly. I honestly don't trust the community to use a disagree button constructively. Per the above post, I think it'll mostly be used to troll and cause unnecessary mischief.0
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I'll just leave this here
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seaef✭✭✭✭✭
I disagree. There is a quote,"Speak only if you can improve upon the silence.". Sometimes I simply don't have something meaty enough to respond with but agree or like the post enough to mark it as such. I think that's fair.
It might be fair, but completely useless. It's what people do to make themselves feel better about something they agree/disagree with without actually involving themselves in the conversation.
Self-absorbed mental fapping and nothing more.
Edited by seaef on August 11, 2014 4:22PM"The Illuminati are very achievement focused. It's like Xbox - only everything is hardcore."
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MeowGinger✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »It doesn't have to be "dislike." It could be "disagree." How is that different than many of the poll threads we see? I would at like to see a "Disagree" option to the choices.
No.
If you disagree with someone, explain yourself. If you don't care enough to explain yourself or if you don't have a decent argument, then clearly there's no need for anyone to know about your disagreement.
I disagree with you because it leads to time spent arguing on the internet.
It's a waste of time.
Edit: It usually turns into a long thread like this one. After the first post or two, it isn't worth responding anymore because you'll usually find yourself dragged into an argument. Most people have better things to do.Edited by MeowGinger on August 11, 2014 4:33PM3 -
pitdemon_ESO✭✭✭GrimGryphon wrote: »
I disagree. There is a quote,"Speak only if you can improve upon the silence.". Sometimes I simply don't have something meaty enough to respond with but agree or like the post enough to mark it as such. I think that's fair.
It might be fair, but completely useless. It's what people do to make themselves feel better about something they agree/disagree with without actually involving themselves in the conversation.
Self-absorbed mental fapping and nothing more.
The Grixxitt of Melek - Alfar Nightblade
Grixx of the Reach - Crafter/Reachwitch/Sorceror
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KitLightning✭✭✭✭MeowGinger wrote: »I disagree with you because it leads to time spent arguing on the internet.
It's a waste of time.
Breathing is a waste of time and seriously dangerous when thinking of them free radicals..."I'd rather be insane in a sane world, than sane in an insane world!" ~MeWarning - This is a spoiler and looking at it for too long may cause irrecoverable eyesight issues.
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Jankstar✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »You want a disagree...
I want all the buttons to show who clicked them and also a limit on how many ratings a person can spam in a day.
If there was some accountability for the ratings it wouldn't be a problem. I just hate when a small percentage of trolls spam buttons all day.
Well you can only "spam" a single button per post. So you can't really have that much of an effect on people, especially since LOL points don't count for anything.
You missed the point.
What was the point, then?
You can't spam someone with ratings that would negatively impact them in any way. So why do you care who's rating your posts?
You can not spam a single post, but you can click on every post you see. Get just a few of these people (there are always more than enough) and the 'disagree' trolling begins. Remember this thread is in favor of a dislike button, so we are not talking about what people can currently do. We're talking about what happens when votes have no accountability or limits. Like I said, you can have your dislike button, if you remove the anonymity and add a limit to how many a person can give in a day.
Why? If a bunch of people disagree they are not trolling, you just said something unpopular. Its okay for people to disagree. It is not okay to silence peoples opinions.
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andrantos✭✭✭
Does it really matter? You can't really provide a constructive post to someone that simply dislikes your post. I guess you could get worked up over a dislike or two or many more but it wouldn't be worth the trouble or stress.Edited by andrantos on August 11, 2014 6:08PM1 -
seaef✭✭✭✭✭pitdemon_ESO wrote: »GrimGryphon wrote: »
I disagree. There is a quote,"Speak only if you can improve upon the silence.". Sometimes I simply don't have something meaty enough to respond with but agree or like the post enough to mark it as such. I think that's fair.
It might be fair, but completely useless. It's what people do to make themselves feel better about something they agree/disagree with without actually involving themselves in the conversation.
Self-absorbed mental fapping and nothing more.
Wow, the derp is strong in this one.![:\](https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
Edited by seaef on August 11, 2014 7:56PM"The Illuminati are very achievement focused. It's like Xbox - only everything is hardcore."
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nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »You want a disagree...
I want all the buttons to show who clicked them and also a limit on how many ratings a person can spam in a day.
If there was some accountability for the ratings it wouldn't be a problem. I just hate when a small percentage of trolls spam buttons all day.
Well you can only "spam" a single button per post. So you can't really have that much of an effect on people, especially since LOL points don't count for anything.
You missed the point.
What was the point, then?
You can't spam someone with ratings that would negatively impact them in any way. So why do you care who's rating your posts?
You can not spam a single post, but you can click on every post you see. Get just a few of these people (there are always more than enough) and the 'disagree' trolling begins. Remember this thread is in favor of a dislike button, so we are not talking about what people can currently do. We're talking about what happens when votes have no accountability or limits. Like I said, you can have your dislike button, if you remove the anonymity and add a limit to how many a person can give in a day.
You have yet to make a coherent case why your proposed system does anything at all, other than arbitrarily limit other peoples' actions.
If the worst-case scenario happens, and there is "disagree trolling," the consequences are as follows:
There are no consequences, because this is all just people talking.
I don't understand this weird nannying of air, of thoughts and opinions. "Accountability" and "limits" are only necessary to prevent harm. There is no harm here, there's just you wanting to police what people are allowed to say, and how they are able to express their opinions, for its own sake, for no tangible explicable reason whatsoever.4 -
Disagree was removed because during beta someone targeted another forum user by disagreeing with every single post they made. They even went so far as to go search through the user's posting history on their profile to disagree all their old posts too. The victim was upset over it so ZOS decided it was being used as a form of griefing and removed it. For a while we didn't have any buttons at all. And then ZOS finally decided to add the positive ones back in.
you can only disagree once. the same person could have went to all his old posts and quoted them and then typed disagree...
it silly to take a feature away when there is other avenues to do the same thing anyway. if some immature person wants to disagree with everything i write before reading it, he will just look like an idiot anyway.
they could just link who likes/lol/disagree etc. transparency tends to send trolls packing, they like to be anonymous for the most part.0 -
Royalroacho✭✭✭
I think we'll be able to eventually exchange them for various crappy prizes once they set up their point redemption center. You can get stuff like glow in the dark slinkies, glasses with a fake nose and moustache or googly eyes on springs, and a big foam hand with a pointing finger that has "I'M #1!" Printed on it. Im personally saving mine for the fake can of nuts with spring snakes in it.
What are these points good for anyway? not like you get anything for them or can use them in any way?
Regardless of the nature of what it does, I think we can all agree that we enjoy pressing buttons, and need more of them everywhere. Im more of a lever pulling guy myself, but sometimes we gotta comprise.
Edited by Royalroacho on August 12, 2014 3:25AM3 -
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✭williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »You want a disagree...
I want all the buttons to show who clicked them and also a limit on how many ratings a person can spam in a day.
If there was some accountability for the ratings it wouldn't be a problem. I just hate when a small percentage of trolls spam buttons all day.
Well you can only "spam" a single button per post. So you can't really have that much of an effect on people, especially since LOL points don't count for anything.
You missed the point.
What was the point, then?
You can't spam someone with ratings that would negatively impact them in any way. So why do you care who's rating your posts?
You can not spam a single post, but you can click on every post you see. Get just a few of these people (there are always more than enough) and the 'disagree' trolling begins. Remember this thread is in favor of a dislike button, so we are not talking about what people can currently do. We're talking about what happens when votes have no accountability or limits. Like I said, you can have your dislike button, if you remove the anonymity and add a limit to how many a person can give in a day.
You have yet to make a coherent case why your proposed system does anything at all, other than arbitrarily limit other peoples' actions.
If the worst-case scenario happens, and there is "disagree trolling," the consequences are as follows:
There are no consequences, because this is all just people talking.
I don't understand this weird nannying of air, of thoughts and opinions. "Accountability" and "limits" are only necessary to prevent harm. There is no harm here, there's just you wanting to police what people are allowed to say, and how they are able to express their opinions, for its own sake, for no tangible explicable reason whatsoever.
I know from experience. I've been to forums with a down vote option and it's always used for some petty popularity contest.
I prefer they do not have a down vote button. No one is stopping you from posting. This is my opinion so I don't have to prove anything. Some decisions are not made on fact, they are made on preference, and I prefer a forum without the insulting down votes. If you disagree, then write it.2 -
williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »You want a disagree...
I want all the buttons to show who clicked them and also a limit on how many ratings a person can spam in a day.
If there was some accountability for the ratings it wouldn't be a problem. I just hate when a small percentage of trolls spam buttons all day.
Well you can only "spam" a single button per post. So you can't really have that much of an effect on people, especially since LOL points don't count for anything.
You missed the point.
What was the point, then?
You can't spam someone with ratings that would negatively impact them in any way. So why do you care who's rating your posts?
You can not spam a single post, but you can click on every post you see. Get just a few of these people (there are always more than enough) and the 'disagree' trolling begins. Remember this thread is in favor of a dislike button, so we are not talking about what people can currently do. We're talking about what happens when votes have no accountability or limits. Like I said, you can have your dislike button, if you remove the anonymity and add a limit to how many a person can give in a day.
You have yet to make a coherent case why your proposed system does anything at all, other than arbitrarily limit other peoples' actions.
If the worst-case scenario happens, and there is "disagree trolling," the consequences are as follows:
There are no consequences, because this is all just people talking.
I don't understand this weird nannying of air, of thoughts and opinions. "Accountability" and "limits" are only necessary to prevent harm. There is no harm here, there's just you wanting to police what people are allowed to say, and how they are able to express their opinions, for its own sake, for no tangible explicable reason whatsoever.
I know from experience. I've been to forums with a down vote option and it's always used for some petty popularity contest.
I prefer they do not have a down vote button. No one is stopping you from posting. This is my opinion so I don't have to prove anything. Some decisions are not made on fact, they are made on preference, and I prefer a forum without the insulting down votes. If you disagree, then write it.
And if it is used for a petty popularity contest, who cares? This is all talk, it's wind and air. We are already engrossed in a petty popularity contest through the use of Insightful, Awesome, and Agrees. Facebook is the same with Likes and Shares. Just about every forum and comment section has an uptick and a downtick. If you're seeing something petty only in the use of negative and not seeing it in the positive, that is your personal baggage, and nobody else's.
The bottom line is, we're already in it, waist deep. All a button would do is put a name on something people are already doing. Argue until you're blue in the face, it won't change what other people do.
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AlexDougherty✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »The bottom line is, we're already in it, waist deep. All a button would do is put a name on something people are already doing. Argue until you're blue in the face, it won't change what other people do.
There is a difference between not being able to stop people being idiots and actively condoning it.
We can't stop people using LOL as an unofficial dislike, but we don't have to accept it either, I use LOL to mean the person has been funny. If everyone else misuses it, that's not my problem, all I have to do it use it properly.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Passion rules reason
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Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭Do people think that the situation in the forum changed? Did the community OR zen changed?
If there is one thing this thread prove is that the community is still the same , people will use the dislike button to troll one another and so on. Which will still probably offend some of the users.
If that did not change , then all that remains is for zen to change and accept forum negativity and people trolling one another. Problem is , that also didnt change and they are against both of those things.
I dont really see why they would reimplement this , the issue is still there and the rules against it also. If anything i agree with other here , the way things are going , soon we might lose the lol button also.
I repeat , this is why we cant have nice things."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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AlexDougherty wrote: »williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »The bottom line is, we're already in it, waist deep. All a button would do is put a name on something people are already doing. Argue until you're blue in the face, it won't change what other people do.
There is a difference between not being able to stop people being idiots and actively condoning it.
We can't stop people using LOL as an unofficial dislike, but we don't have to accept it either, I use LOL to mean the person has been funny. If everyone else misuses it, that's not my problem, all I have to do it use it properly.
The only difference in "condoning" it (which it isn't, it's just acknowledging it) is that the LOL button can go back to it's intended use, which is "Hey, that was funny" instead of "Hey, I hate your face!" If you need evidence, I mean look at Cogo's posts. That guy's not at all funny, he just says completely pointless things like he was purposefully trying to farm LOLs.
People are doing it already, so yeah, you should probably accept it, because you can't change it. It's no use being the lone boy scout, insisting that you're the one doing it properly, if all the people around you have a different set of normal behaviors. It makes you the weird one.3 -
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I also use it to laugh at folks.AlexDougherty wrote: »We can't stop people using LOL as an unofficial dislike, but we don't have to accept it either, I use LOL to mean the person has been funny. If everyone else misuses it, that's not my problem, all I have to do it use it properly.
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