Zenimax- Just add a dislike button.

nicholaspingasb16_ESO

the LOL button has become, on most posts, an unofficial dislike button. Adding a dislike button would prevent confusion as to which posts people find legitimately funny, and which ones people think are downright ridiculous. It would also turn every post into a poll, letting you gauge the popularity of people's ideas that are posted here.

Inversus

There was a "disagree" button before - but for some reason I believe the button gave you -1 points on your profile (correct me if I'm wrong)
I think the button should be brought back, however with no penalty nor gain for the poster when someone disagrees with the comment (because there's nothing wrong with conflicting opinions!1!1)

Edit: Apparently the buttons had no effect, they were neutral.

Slurg

If people want to be passive-aggressive in their trolling with the LOL button, let them. They help you get badge points.

I assume people are genuinely LOL-ing when I get LOL'd, so if they intend something different, they're wasting their time.

A disagree button could be useful in the respect that if someone posts an unpopular opinion, or facts that aren't really facts, devs don't think the majority of the population want a certain feature, and new players know to take some posts as rumors not facts.

nerevarine1138

If people are too lazy to formulate an argument, then I'll gladly think that they found something funny in my post. Let them be lazy, and their vote can stand as a testament to their inability to put forward any kind of coherent argument in favor of their position.

Thralgaf

I'll admit I sometimes use the lol button sarcastically, but only when a post is so blatantly propostorous as to not deserve a rebuttal.

Raash

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

If people are too lazy to formulate an argument, then I'll gladly think that they found something funny in my post. Let them be lazy, and their vote can stand as a testament to their inability to put forward any kind of coherent argument in favor of their position.

First time ever that I agree with you on something I think! Very well put.

DenverRalphy

Dislike buttons are too susceptible to griefers. The maturity level of the majority of forum users simply isn't conducive for dislikes to be a valuable asset. The fact that the LOL button is already abused in a manner that it wasn't even intended for is proof enough.

If anything, keep it like it is now, but change the LOL button so it's tooltip shows publicly who clicked it. Then we'd see far fewer people using it as a method to down vote.

indytims_ESO

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

If people are too lazy to formulate an argument, then I'll gladly think that they found something funny in my post. Let them be lazy, and their vote can stand as a testament to their inability to put forward any kind of coherent argument in favor of their position.

Well-said.

"My LOL is actually meant with sarcasm".
"My LOL is meant as a negative".
"The LOL is the unofficial dislike button".

LOL. And I meant it. I actually find those arguments hilarious.

RedTalon

Such things got removed, cause they got abused the lol button is kinda of thing that doesn't really matter and doesn't give you a - or a + less you rack up a certain amount then think it gives like a point.

But I don't see any need to add or change anything in the regards of icons.

bluesodafizz

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Dislike buttons are too susceptible to griefers. The maturity level of the majority of forum users simply isn't conducive for dislikes to be a valuable asset. The fact that the LOL button is already abused in a manner that it wasn't even intended for is proof enough.

Yes, I think you're right on here.

Vizier

It doesn't have to be "dislike." It could be "disagree." How is that different than many of the poll threads we see? I would at like to see a "Disagree" option to the choices.

DenverRalphy

I find it a bit ironic that this post has a couple of LOLs already. You'd think that people who actually use LOL as a dislike/disagree, would be supportive of the notion.

nerevarine1138

Vizier wrote: »

It doesn't have to be "dislike." It could be "disagree." How is that different than many of the poll threads we see? I would at like to see a "Disagree" option to the choices.

No.

If you disagree with someone, explain yourself. If you don't care enough to explain yourself or if you don't have a decent argument, then clearly there's no need for anyone to know about your disagreement.

RedMiniStapler

Please, by all means lol the crap out of my posts for disagreeing or whatever, let me join the almighty 5 star posters club.

Laura

Inversus wrote: »

There was a "disagree" button before - but for some reason I believe the button gave you -1 points on your profile (correct me if I'm wrong)
I think the button should be brought back, however with no penalty nor gain for the poster when someone disagrees with the comment (because there's nothing wrong with conflicting opinions!1!1)

yes people were going to peoples profiles they didn't like and clicking dislike on every post they made to make them lose ranks.

All they had to do was make it where dislike didn't cause you to lose points or show up on your profile or something. Instead they just took it out

Araflin

Why? If you disagree take the time to state why, otherwise you are just wasting everyone's time NOT explaining yourself.

LoL button is for humour, as a positive.. if you use it in the negative, you fail to understand... like someone calling you "Special" and you take it as a positive comment even though you are chewing a stick of chalk in art class.

One button negatives just make it too easy for people to troll and follow folks in vendettas. Let it slide or say something - Really not that hard.

Ed: punctuation.

zhevon

Nothing wrong with the current system - I didn't like it initially but I am use to it; but block negative voting would be bad for the community. And it would be used for block negative voting.

AlexDougherty

nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »

the LOL button has become, on most posts, an unofficial dislike button. Adding a dislike button would prevent confusion as to which posts people find legitimately funny, and which ones people think are downright ridiculous. It would also turn every post into a poll, letting you gauge the popularity of people's ideas that are posted here.

There was a dislike button in the beta forums, but it was removed because it was abused.

ZOS is not going to reinstate it no matter how many people ask for it, because it would get abused again. If you disagree with someone, quote them and say what you disagree with, and why. This is much clearer than a disagree button.

kimboh

This list
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/badges

Shows badges for 'likes' and 'up votes '
Did there used to be an up/down vote system?
Surely this would work better than dislike or lol.

siledre

too many people that can't take criticism so we all have to wear rose colored glasses and pretend every one is special.

AlexDougherty

kimboh wrote: »

This list
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/badges

Shows badges for 'likes' and 'up votes '
Did there used to be an up/down vote system?
Surely this would work better than dislike or lol.

Up/Down system is the same as Like/Dislike, and would be as subject to abuse as the old Dislike button from the beta.

txfeinbergsub17_ESO

I would dislike this thread.

Vizier

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

It doesn't have to be "dislike." It could be "disagree." How is that different than many of the poll threads we see? I would at like to see a "Disagree" option to the choices.

No.

If you disagree with someone, explain yourself. If you don't care enough to explain yourself or if you don't have a decent argument, then clearly there's no need for anyone to know about your disagreement.

That makes no sense. The assumption on your part is that all folks would do is click disagree and move on without offering their opinion. LOL right. This is a forum and we will always hear/see counter arguments, but as long as they have polling tabs that include "agree" they should also have a tab indicating disagreement. Is this community not mature enough to see that people disagree with them? Don't be afraid. Embrace the change.

k9mouse

AlexDougherty wrote: »

nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »

the LOL button has become, on most posts, an unofficial dislike button. Adding a dislike button would prevent confusion as to which posts people find legitimately funny, and which ones people think are downright ridiculous. It would also turn every post into a poll, letting you gauge the popularity of people's ideas that are posted here.

There was a dislike button in the beta forums, but it was removed because it was abused.

ZOS is not going to reinstate it no matter how many people ask for it, because it would get abused again. If you disagree with someone, quote them and say what you disagree with, and why. This is much clearer than a disagree button.

I got trolled by the disagree button during beta. Also, it made my profile page look bad for no good reason. I like it is now.

To give everyone an example, I asked a question about something in a forum post, some kind soul gave me a good answer. The last post I made in that thread is a simple "Thank You" and someone just have click "disagree." How can some one "disagree" with a kind "Thank you" to a good answer to a question?

An example of abuse of the system and a forum troll....

DenverRalphy

Vizier wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

It doesn't have to be "dislike." It could be "disagree." How is that different than many of the poll threads we see? I would at like to see a "Disagree" option to the choices.

No.

If you disagree with someone, explain yourself. If you don't care enough to explain yourself or if you don't have a decent argument, then clearly there's no need for anyone to know about your disagreement.

That makes no sense. The assumption on your part is that all folks would do is click disagree and move on without offering their opinion.

Actually, more often than not, that's exactly what happens.

AlexDougherty

Vizier wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

It doesn't have to be "dislike." It could be "disagree." How is that different than many of the poll threads we see? I would at like to see a "Disagree" option to the choices.

No.

If you disagree with someone, explain yourself. If you don't care enough to explain yourself or if you don't have a decent argument, then clearly there's no need for anyone to know about your disagreement.

That makes no sense. The assumption on your part is that all folks would do is click disagree and move on without offering their opinion.

That isn't an assumption, people did exactly that when it was an option.

k9mouse wrote: »

I got trolled by the disagree button during beta. Also, it made my profile page look bad for no good reason. I like it is now.

Exactly, the disagree button only had potential for abuse, it had no positive value, which is why I'm glad they got rid of it.

AlexDougherty

siledre wrote: »

too many people that can't take criticism so we all have to wear rose colored glasses and pretend every one is special.

No, this is wrong.

Most of us can take critism, try it criticise me.

But what we can't take it people ticking a disagree button and not saying why they disagree. If you disagree say why. A disagree button does not facilitate this.

Alphashado

Would just be a paradise for trolls.

DenverRalphy

siledre wrote: »

too many people that can't take criticism so we all have to wear rose colored glasses and pretend every one is special.

Ah yes... The hyperbolic battle cry of trolls.

Vizier wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

It doesn't have to be "dislike." It could be "disagree." How is that different than many of the poll threads we see? I would at like to see a "Disagree" option to the choices.

No.

If you disagree with someone, explain yourself. If you don't care enough to explain yourself or if you don't have a decent argument, then clearly there's no need for anyone to know about your disagreement.

That makes no sense. The assumption on your part is that all folks would do is click disagree and move on without offering their opinion. LOL right.

I know that this will be the second time I've quoted this portion of your post. But this thread alone proves the point you are so against.

Look at the defacto standard of using LOL as a dislike/disagree option. Compare the OP's LOL's to those who have actually replied... And crunch the numbers.

Very few who LOL'd bothered to actually reply.

Ironic isn't it that those who are supposed to support the measure, are too stupid to know how to support it?

DogFaceInBananaPatch

So long as there's a "Most Disliked" badge I'm all for it.

williamburr2001b14_ESO

Instead of a "dislike" button, we should have one called "Golf Clap."

If people are going to say ridiculous things, why not give people the mechanics to let them know that what they've said is ridiculous. This ironic use of the LOL button is peevish and juvenile.