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Zenimax- Just add a dislike button.
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KitLightning✭✭✭✭Sooo these reactions...
.ReactFeature
Once in the past this was active and would set a comment apart from others and move it to the top. A very useful function in support posts to show others a valid solution to their issue.
.ReactOffTopic
A bit useless since most topics will tend to wander a little off.
.ReactAbuse
Quite similar to the Spam though it can be used on any sort of abusive nature displayed on the forum. Though since it aspire to a negative tone on the forum its a bad button to have enabled.
.ReactSpam
A useful reaction that elevates certain content to the eyes of the drowsy admins, if the repeated reports doesn't.
.ReactTroll
Would surely be quite useful but afaik it may also function as a gold medal for trolls and would be highly thought after by those individuals.
.ReactPromote
The admin promote which eloped me why it was visible at a time.
.ReactDisagree
The trolls favored button next after LOL. Useless that it saves the individual from formulating a response and will be abused. Though it does show the poster that someone is not in agreement, out there, somewhere, how far-out they may be. Personally its an unwarranted addition to any forum, jsut like the Smiting on SMF-based sites etc., it only helps to provoke the one commenting, and at times will elevate the discussion to an uncontrolled state. The latter is most likely why we don't see such added.
.ReactDislike
An absolutely useless button that it only evokes a unpleasant mood in the forum. ZoS_Staff would see this hit quite often on certain updates too for no other reason than its available
.ReactLike
Facebook junk above all.
.ReactDown/Up
Voting comments up or down can ruin a forum, good to see this *** not enabled.
.ReactWTF
Somewhat this would substitute for the above Disagree and Dislike, though it may aspire a more humorous approach. Wanted?
.ReactInfraction
Is this the same as flagging a post?
.ReactAccept/Reject
Somehow I think this is enabled within topics revolving a question and are used to accept an answer.
.ReactFacebook/Twitter
I'd rather use my FootNote app than that ***. Its another troll infested paradise, used by self-absorbed creatures that cannot live without exposing the rest of the shatty world with their ***. Are they running around in the streets and loudly promoting "I Like these sheos" to any nearby pedestrians?
.ReactWarn
Another favored gold medal for trolls."I'd rather be insane in a sane world, than sane in an insane world!" ~MeWarning - This is a spoiler and looking at it for too long may cause irrecoverable eyesight issues.
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✭✭✭✭✭To many people with sore toes in this forums. If people cant take when people diagree with them they shouldnt be posting stuff in the first place.
If people want to be lazy and only provide agree & disagree why not let them?
its equally dumb to have the agree, awesome & insightful(especially this one) to use without people havto explain to why they agree?
I love that these arguments prove the counter without realizing it.
If you agree with someone, then generally there's no need for you to expand on their argument. You just agree with them. Without agree/awesome/insightful buttons, that turns the thread in to a stream of posts like "QFT," and "What he said." Which is useless, space-wasting discussion.
If you disagree with someone (as many of you have demonstrated here), you need to provide an explanation for why. If you're too lazy to do that, then you don't deserve to have your lazy click-of-a-button "opinion" (I put it in quotes because in this hypothetical, you were too lazy to provide a real opinion) seen by anyone.----
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✭nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »the LOL button has become, on most posts, an unofficial dislike button. Adding a dislike button would prevent confusion as to which posts people find legitimately funny, and which ones people think are downright ridiculous. It would also turn every post into a poll, letting you gauge the popularity of people's ideas that are posted here.
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Burnemdown✭✭✭After reading this thread, my observation would conclude that most of you who would like to have the LOL button removed, are control freaks. Who can't stand to not have the last word on any subject you post in.
Or your ego is so fragile, you just can't stand to think someone might not agree with everything you have to say.
Such a testament to our illustrious 5 star posters!
My suggestion would be, to remove forum rankings. Not up- down votes.
Could your fragile little egos handle that? Prolly not, omg forum uproar.
LOL
Edited by Burnemdown on August 10, 2014 2:29PM3 -
Melian✭✭✭✭If you dislike something, post "I dislike this". Does that sound sad and pathetic? Does it seem weak not to give an explanation? It is - and so is hitting a dislike button!Edited by Melian on August 10, 2014 2:39PM2
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nerevarine1138 wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »It doesn't have to be "dislike." It could be "disagree." How is that different than many of the poll threads we see? I would at like to see a "Disagree" option to the choices.
No.
If you disagree with someone, explain yourself. If you don't care enough to explain yourself or if you don't have a decent argument, then clearly there's no need for anyone to know about your disagreement.
I disagree because we have 4 ways to agree with a click, but no way to disagree with a click.
Honest feedback helps you even if all of it isn't positive. Plus you shouldn't be afraid to stand alone when others disagree with you.
Since the button was removed because of the trolling, it seems changing button mechanics would be better than removing it. Maybe an independent thinker badge that adds to your forum score, or something similar.
Notice that in order to disagree with me, you had to actually provide a counter-argument.
If I just agree with something you say, there's no need for me to waste board space with "+1" or "I agree" or "^^^". If I agree, I can just click on agree. But if I disagree, then that means I need to make an argument against the post. Otherwise, what good does it do to see that disagreement? It simply shows that I'm too lazy to post an argument or that I don't have one.
What you seem to be missing here is that disagreement with you is just as important as agreement. I.E., not even a little bit. Board space wasted agreeing is just as wasted, perhaps moreso, by long drawn-out disagreement.
It doesn't matter if someone agrees. But there's a button for it. It doesn't matter if someone disagrees. There's no button for it. As agreement and disagreement are worth the same amount of Mickey Mouse Fun Bucks (zero), they are equivalent. There is no more "need" to disagree in detail than there is to agree. But then you and I have been through this before. Your "need" for argument is nobody else's problem.
It's just a small convenience for expressing an opinion about an opinion without getting into A Big Thing. Because there are people who, COUGH, are excruciating to try and communicate with, but it'd still be nice to be able to click to say "This sure is a great big pile of baloney."
As usual, when there's no legit system for something people want, they come up with a work-around, and such is the case here. Here they're busy murdering the "LOL" button. As it stands now at least half the time it's more a kind of ironic guffaw LOL than it is "That post was funny, it made me laugh." So what's the effin' difference worth arguing about? Oh right. We "need" to argue for some reason rather than just disagree.Edited by williamburr2001b14_ESO on August 10, 2014 8:51PM2 -
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✭I would request that anyone who wants to disagree with my posts from now on clicks insightful. I need more points in that area.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If we did have dislike/disagree, I would want forum achievements for people clicking on it. I would clean up on this just from my comments in the Auction House discussions.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
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Requiemslove✭✭✭People. A disagree button would turn these forums into a youtube alike hell-hole, or just as bad, yahoo...[shudder]
Having witnessed the horrors it is NOT worth it. At the end of the day everyone has an opinion, just like everyone has a derrear. [or however the smeg it is spelled] In this case I enjoy the lack of a dislike button, means people have to explain themselves more.3 -
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Or the gamefaqs forums. Oh gawd. i asked a question about over clocking, and was nearly linched. The only other time ive felt that unwelcome, I was driving through the middle of nowhere in Georgia, and needed to stop for gas. There were some townies hanging out drinking in front of the station who were heard to yell "Who the *** is this long hairded freak!?!". My hair wasnt even that long.Requiemslove wrote: »People. A disagree button would turn these forums into a youtube alike hell-hole, or just as bad, yahoo...[shudder]
Its pretty pleasant here comparatively, no need for a change imo.
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So... The people who "lol'd" this post... are you enjoying proving my point?Sanguine's Beta Tester2 -
GreySix✭✭✭✭✭
✭nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »So... The people who "lol'd" this post... are you enjoying proving my point?
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GnatB✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »If you disagree with someone (as many of you have demonstrated here), you need to provide an explanation for why. If you're too lazy to do that, then you don't deserve to have your lazy click-of-a-button "opinion" (I put it in quotes because in this hypothetical, you were too lazy to provide a real opinion) seen by anyone.
Guess that explains all the "No" posts you see in threads. (think it was the thread about killing cats) Good to see the lack of a disagree button meant they had to put in long explanations.
Oh, wait. No. They just said "No".
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AoEnwyr✭✭✭✭@alexdougherty I came here to pretty much say the same thing. Instead of spamming a "dislike" button, if people have a legitimate reason to disagree with someone's view point they should at least have the courtesy to explain why via a post.
I do think the LOL button is being misused, in fact I belive there is a forum thread encouraging people to use it for negative purposes which is unfortunate. Then again this is the internet and people do tend to use anonymity as an enabler to poor behaviour.
You wouldn't walk up to someone in the real world and go "LOL" in their face everytime you held a different view point with them without being told to sod off fairly quickly. Sad people choose do this online.
I would actually like to see a system one day where people can be held accountable for their behaviour.
In fact @araflin and I had a discussion around this very point. We decided that when signing up for a forum account people should be forced to provide their mum or nan's details (regardless of members age - if your 40 too bad, fess up your mum's details). Then every post you make gets sent to your nominated person. Be interesting to see how many people would pull their heads in if their family knew half the offensive nonsense they postedEdited by AoEnwyr on August 11, 2014 4:38AM2 -
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Really? I use it to mean I'm amused, likewise every LOL I get I take to mean someone is amused at my comment, if they're using in the way you suggest IDC, it's one more point for me either way.nicholaspingasb16_ESO wrote: »the LOL button has become, on most posts, an unofficial dislike button.
Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on August 11, 2014 6:34AM0 -
Raash✭✭✭✭nerevarine1138 wrote: »To many people with sore toes in this forums. If people cant take when people diagree with them they shouldnt be posting stuff in the first place.
If people want to be lazy and only provide agree & disagree why not let them?
its equally dumb to have the agree, awesome & insightful(especially this one) to use without people havto explain to why they agree?
I love that these arguments prove the counter without realizing it.
If you agree with someone, then generally there's no need for you to expand on their argument. You just agree with them. Without agree/awesome/insightful buttons, that turns the thread in to a stream of posts like "QFT," and "What he said." Which is useless, space-wasting discussion.
If you disagree with someone (as many of you have demonstrated here), you need to provide an explanation for why. If you're too lazy to do that, then you don't deserve to have your lazy click-of-a-button "opinion" (I put it in quotes because in this hypothetical, you were too lazy to provide a real opinion) seen by anyone.
Yeah but why shouldnt people be forced to tell others why they agree aswell?2 -
Vizier✭✭✭✭✭
✭DenverRalphy wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »It doesn't have to be "dislike." It could be "disagree." How is that different than many of the poll threads we see? I would at like to see a "Disagree" option to the choices.
No.
If you disagree with someone, explain yourself. If you don't care enough to explain yourself or if you don't have a decent argument, then clearly there's no need for anyone to know about your disagreement.
That makes no sense. The assumption on your part is that all folks would do is click disagree and move on without offering their opinion.
Actually, more often than not, that's exactly what happens.
More often than not? REALLY? lols. You have no idea if that is true nor any way of showing it to be so. On the contrary, forums and opinion sites tend to bring in malcontents and considering that the primary motivation to post and respond to posts isn't to "agree" but rather to disagree and complain about one thing or another, yet we have an agree button and still see posts agreeing with OP's left and right, I find it difficult to accept your statement that "more often than not" people will just tick disagree and move on.
Additionally this is not forensics club nor a court of law. It is not incumbent upon one to offer you or anyone else an explanation of their opinion.
We have the option to use polls now that calculate simple agree, disagree, yes, no, maybe, sometimes, and all of the above, yet all the embedded poll offers is, agree, inspired and LOL and AWESOME. I and others think that's cheesey, self affirming and misleading as to how a subject is received. Shrug.
I say ZOS add a disagree button and don't worry about feelings. It's not as if we are tracking a K/D ratio :-p
Edited by Vizier on August 11, 2014 10:54AM0 -
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✭DenverRalphy wrote: »too many people that can't take criticism so we all have to wear rose colored glasses and pretend every one is special.
Ah yes... The hyperbolic battle cry of trolls.nerevarine1138 wrote: »It doesn't have to be "dislike." It could be "disagree." How is that different than many of the poll threads we see? I would at like to see a "Disagree" option to the choices.
No.
If you disagree with someone, explain yourself. If you don't care enough to explain yourself or if you don't have a decent argument, then clearly there's no need for anyone to know about your disagreement.
That makes no sense. The assumption on your part is that all folks would do is click disagree and move on without offering their opinion. LOL right.
I know that this will be the second time I've quoted this portion of your post. But this thread alone proves the point you are so against.
Look at the defacto standard of using LOL as a dislike/disagree option. Compare the OP's LOL's to those who have actually replied... And crunch the numbers.
Very few who LOL'd bothered to actually reply.
Ironic isn't it that those who are supposed to support the measure, are too stupid to know how to support it?
This difficulty there is LOL works for both "disagree" and "I actually think that's funny so I'm laughing out loud." Maybe they both disagree and think it's funny. We'll never know. lols. I know being so against such an innocuous thing as a disagree tag is kind of funny. In this case "LOL" is kinda like the "F" word. It can be used for just about anything which inflates the numbers. Shrug.
If someone laughs out loud should they offer a post explaining to all of us why they think it's funny? Honestly I don't need to see a response to something that quotes the poster and says "funny bro. Good one." A "LOL" tag on the post is good enough for me.Edited by Vizier on August 11, 2014 11:05AM1 -
Raash✭✭✭✭One thing I have been wondering about is why everyone and everything must be tuned down to suit even the most sensitive spirit who get offended by everything?3
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Swampster✭✭✭I use the LOL for both purposes.. but most when I find a post amusing!
The LOL in the sarcastic sense is usually reserved for the most moronic posts that are so obviously ridiculous they are ironically amusing...
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Kvasir Silverpaw✭✭✭well hell...I thought all those LOL I get were because Im such a funny guy, now I realize its because people DONT like my posts ...woe is me2 -
Inversus✭✭✭✭✭Disagree was removed because during beta someone targeted another forum user by disagreeing with every single post they made. They even went so far as to go search through the user's posting history on their profile to disagree all their old posts too. The victim was upset over it so ZOS decided it was being used as a form of griefing and removed it. For a while we didn't have any buttons at all. And then ZOS finally decided to add the positive ones back in.
There used to be a spam button as well but, as you guessed, it was abused shortly after the disagree button was removed.
If ZOS ever decides LOL is being abused, don't be surprised if it gets removed as well.
If there was no penalty for a disagree, then it wouldn't matter too much imo
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✭I think having a simple disagree would be fine, but it should not result in reduced points to your profile. I was one of those people during beta who lost a big amount of points because some twerp did not like a post I made in a thread, and then proceeded to click "dislike" on every single post I made that he/she could find. There should always be a means to click "disagree" or "dislike" but it is/was idiotic to have it reduce your forum points.1 -
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Me too ... then of course its been used on me in both ways as well. "What's funny about this .... hmmmm..."I use the LOL for both purposes.. but most when I find a post amusing!
The LOL in the sarcastic sense is usually reserved for the most moronic posts that are so obviously ridiculous they are ironically amusing...
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✭You want a disagree...
I want all the buttons to show who clicked them and also a limit on how many ratings a person can spam in a day.
If there was some accountability for the ratings it wouldn't be a problem. I just hate when a small percentage of trolls spam buttons all day.Edited by SFBryan18 on August 11, 2014 12:24PM2 -
snowmanflvb14_ESO✭✭✭✭There was a "disagree" button before - but for some reason I believe the button gave you -1 points on your profile (correct me if I'm wrong)
I think the button should be brought back, however with no penalty nor gain for the poster when someone disagrees with the comment (because there's nothing wrong with conflicting opinions!1!1)
It use to be ingame as inversus said. The problem was once they opened up the beta with mass key giveaways it was misused to the extreme. As an example if someone said there needed to be a bank in the AD starter island and people posted that there was a bank in Mistrial they would get hit with disagree's One I saw and got hit with was when someone ranted about the cost to travel between places and people pointed out that it was free to travel from wayshrine to wayshrine or to people in your group they would get hit with disagrees.Magic is impressive but now Minsc leads SWORDS FOR EVERYONE!!1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You want a disagree...
I want all the buttons to show who clicked them and also a limit on how many ratings a person can spam in a day.
If there was some accountability for the ratings it wouldn't be a problem. I just hate when a small percentage of trolls spam buttons all day.
Well you can only "spam" a single button per post. So you can't really have that much of an effect on people, especially since LOL points don't count for anything.----
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Raash✭✭✭✭I think having a simple disagree would be fine, but it should not result in reduced points to your profile. I was one of those people during beta who lost a big amount of points because some twerp did not like a post I made in a thread, and then proceeded to click "dislike" on every single post I made that he/she could find. There should always be a means to click "disagree" or "dislike" but it is/was idiotic to have it reduce your forum points.
What are these points good for anyway? not like you get anything for them or can use them in any way?4
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