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So I logged in today, first time in two weeks...
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VagabondAngel✭✭✭✭Why is everyone so hung up on what everyone else thinks or how many rats are jumping off what they think is a sinking ship? I'll be honest; I find these style posts and similarly themed reviews quite disheartening...
..until I log in to play and love it with renewed vigour. Cyrodiil is always a blast and atm our campaign is busy and not lacking for action.... some great 3 way battles, too.
The VR zones seem well populated, too and I have never lacked opportunities to group for world bosses, dolmens or public dungeons.
Do yourselves a favour - don't log into the forums for a couple of days and just play. Its like watching a drama with canned laughter over the top, this pace. Shut out the noise and make up your own mind. free from the jaded views of disgruntled critics who are present in every community; the ones who aren't getting their own way and refuse to open their minds to anything outside those desires.~ Níamh ~
~ Ebonheart Pact ~
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Let me guess, someone stole your sweetroll...
Everything I say is just my opinion. Like it or not - that's all it is.3 -
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mutharex✭✭✭✭✭Another "make this game like I want it or the game dies" thread masked as a concern one, how original...4 -
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✭Malpherian wrote: »...
Sleeping Giant is now working with ZOS apparently also, and their specialty is F2P marketing. So I guess ZOS is going F2P in the next 6 months to a year.
Wow, this thread is like a poster child for how bad rumors get started.
Someone speculates that F2P is around the corner because ZOS is NOW working with a company that makes F2P games with no citation provided--turns out he has the name wrong, there's no indication they are doing anything F2P related.... and--they've been working with them all along (note the word "upcoming" in the below grab from Sleepy Giant).
But I'm sure it will be taken as proof of ZOS desperately changing course by the "actual data is for suckers" F2P-is-coming crowd.This message confirms that you have successfully cancelled your subscription to The Elder Scrolls Online. You will no longer be charged for a subscription on a recurring basis, and your access to the game will expire at the end of your current subscription cycle.
We're sad to see you go now, but we'll be happy to welcome you back at any time! Whenever you're ready to come back, your characters will be waiting for you, just like you left them. You can return anytime by resubscribing on the Manage Subscription page on your Elder Scrolls Online account.
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✭✭✭✭✭Really? The Sleeping Giant strawman?
They've been working with that company since before launch, and it's not a company that specialized in free-to-play games. It's a company that handles account management, real-money stores, etc. Nothing to see here, folks...----
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✭✭✭People must be running out of reasons why ESO is going to fail since ZOS keeps fixing things.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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✭✭✭✭and about 20% of my guild are still playing. I expected a lot of people to quit the guild, since I'm not logging on to lead it but nope, no one quit the guild - it looks like they simply don't log on either.
Got booted from one guild, another one is very active, and the other ones I'm in have about 50% inactive players (haven't logged in in more than 2 weeks).
Anyone else?
the guild you lead and stopped showing up for, no one plays in... Im shocked. Shocked i say...
One guild is very active... What ever that means. Are there only 3 people in the guild but they are very active? 500 people and they are all very active?
And one guild seems to be about 50% active... Which again means nothing. How was it 2 weeks ago? How many people are in it? How many 2 weeks ago...
To sum up here is some useless info on a bunch of nothing, that means nothing, discuss!7 -
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✭✭✭Usually when a guild stagnates and dies it is because the GM isn't actively working on their guild removing players that haven't played in a long time and recruiting active players to replace them.
For me, one guild died (the Guild Master left), 3 stayed pretty much the same and 1 guild is growing.Edited by Tabbycat on July 10, 2014 12:58PMFounder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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Is it? godammit, haven't found a replacement yet, that's too soon.Malpherian wrote: »
Sleeping Giant is now working with ZOS apparently also, and their specialty is F2P marketing. So I guess ZOS is going F2P in the next 6 months to a year.
Wait, page two of this thread tells me the above is wrong. Hope so, it would annoy me greatly to see ESO go f2p.
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nudel✭✭✭✭✭It seems to me if you look at reddit and the "internet " people are actually returning lol.
That has been my experience as well. I've seen a lot of ppl in chat say something along the lines of, "Just resubbed after ___ time. What's changed?" Several new guildmates fall into this category as well.
I just did some crafting for someone in chat who had been on vacation for 2 weeks in Las Vegas. Obviously he wasn't playing ESO while he was there.3 -
je25ffb14_ESO✭✭✭I was a naysayer at first, but I waited to play. I am pleasantly surprised at how I am enjoying the game. I literally don't know what the fuss is about, sans a few bugs and some adjustments to be made.4 -
nudel✭✭✭✭✭Usually when a guild stagnates and dies it is because the GM isn't actively working on their guild removing players that haven't played in a long time and recruiting active players to replace them.
For me, one guild died (the Guild Master left), 3 stayed pretty much the same and 1 guild is growing.
So true Tabby.
I'm pretty attached to this one trade guild. The guildmaster went on extended leave due to a business trip in Japan. During that time, activity took a nosedive. We lost members and many that we had left were inactive. Sales suffered. Chat suffered. There were barely 14 members out of 500 online when I'd login.
He returned two weeks ago just long enough to promote a few more officers to maintain the guild in his absence. After much purging and recruitment, the guild is now on the rise. Chat is active. Sales are frequent. Two weeks of dedicated leadership is all it took to rejuvenate the guild.2 -
Cyanhide✭✭✭je25ffb14_ESO wrote: »I was a naysayer at first, but I waited to play. I am pleasantly surprised at how I am enjoying the game. I literally don't know what the fuss is about, sans a few bugs and some adjustments to be made.
I have been saying this even since I bought the game, this MMO its top notch, maybe not towards the elder scrolls titles, but as an MMO yes. The biggest problem right now, is things like Angry gamer's review on youtube etc.
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Tabbycat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Usually when a guild stagnates and dies it is because the GM isn't actively working on their guild removing players that haven't played in a long time and recruiting active players to replace them.
For me, one guild died (the Guild Master left), 3 stayed pretty much the same and 1 guild is growing.
So true Tabby.
I'm pretty attached to this one trade guild. The guildmaster went on extended leave due to a business trip in Japan. During that time, activity took a nosedive. We lost members and many that we had left were inactive. Sales suffered. Chat suffered. There were barely 14 members out of 500 online when I'd login.
He returned two weeks ago just long enough to promote a few more officers to maintain the guild in his absence. After much purging and recruitment, the guild is now on the rise. Chat is active. Sales are frequent. Two weeks of dedicated leadership is all it took to rejuvenate the guild.
I guess the only guild that's sort of exempt to that is the PO guild because we don't kick anyone from it and we don't recruit. I would say there's a number of players in the guild that have maintained their normal gameplay and there's a number of players in the guild that left after the free month.
Sometimes I think that more people have become inactive simply because they aren't on when I am. But you can look at the guild roster and sort it so that it shows how long it has been since people have logged in. I realize that some people I never see anymore simply play at different times than I do.
I think a lot of players also hop on the PTS when it comes up so they can test out the new patch. People may see a drop in the number of players on the live game and not realize it's because some people have hopped on the PTS.
As ZOS continues to make these improvements, I think we'll see players returning to the game. One thing I've heard from players was how much the VR leveling turned them off. If ZOS can fix what's wrong with it, those players will return.
Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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✭Welcome back!
It's taken a while, but I finally found two active guilds. There are plenty of people out there, you just have to play the guild game.
My three trading guilds have up to five hundred members across all factions. On any given night they have a minimum of one hundred online.0 -
Srugzal✭✭✭✭✭Malpherian wrote: »
Sleeping Giant is now working with ZOS apparently also, and their specialty is F2P marketing. So I guess ZOS is going F2P in the next 6 months to a year.
@Malpherian, SG does lots of things. They do casual and mobile games, business development, outsourcing, etc. First of all, this doesn't say "f2p" to me at all, especially in the context of ESO, which is not either casual or mobile in the industry-wide sense. Zenimax partners with lots of other companies; how is this something new?
Second, what's your proof that ZOS is working with them, and on what are you basing these claims?
Repeating rumors is not proof. Show proof or go away.Edited by Srugzal on July 10, 2014 1:53PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Malpherian wrote: »
Sleeping Giant is now working with ZOS apparently also, and their specialty is F2P marketing. So I guess ZOS is going F2P in the next 6 months to a year.
@Malpherian, SG does lots of things. They do casual and mobile games, business development, outsourcing, etc. First of all, this doesn't say "f2p" to me at all, especially in the context of ESO, which is not either casual or mobile in the industry-wide sense. Zenimax partners with lots of other companies; how is this something new?
Second, what's your proof that ZOS is working with them, and on what are you basing these claims?
Repeating rumors is not proof. Show proof or go away.
They are working with them (too lazy to find the article), but as you stated, it has nothing to do with any plans to eliminate the subscription plans.
Sleeping Giant is a contractor that handles specific cash-store and account management tasks. That's it. They have nothing to do with development.----
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✭✭✭Malpherian wrote: »
Sleeping Giant is now working with ZOS apparently also, and their specialty is F2P marketing. So I guess ZOS is going F2P in the next 6 months to a year.
@Malpherian, SG does lots of things. They do casual and mobile games, business development, outsourcing, etc. First of all, this doesn't say "f2p" to me at all, especially in the context of ESO, which is not either casual or mobile in the industry-wide sense. Zenimax partners with lots of other companies; how is this something new?
Second, what's your proof that ZOS is working with them, and on what are you basing these claims?
Repeating rumors is not proof. Show proof or go away.
http://www.sleepygiant.com/
Elder Scrolls Online
Sleepy Giant is providing custom web development and account management services to Zenimax Online Studios for their upcoming game Elder Scrolls® Online
It doesn't say they are helping them go F2P but they are helping in other areas.3 -
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SWTOR has a very healthy and successful F2P system, so this is a good thing.Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »Malpherian wrote: »Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »who is "sleeping giant" ??
Sleeping Giant is the marketing group / Studio that Designed SWTOR's F2P system.
omg thats not good, thats serius problem very not good.
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Srugzal✭✭✭✭✭The company working with ESO is actually called "Sleepy Giant"
http://www.sleepygiant.com/#about
They specialize in GaaS or "Games as a service" (Sometimes called "Cloud Gaming") which is described somewhat in this post:
http://www.develop-online.net/interview/games-as-a-service-what-does-it-mean-for-indies/0189880
Well I re-read the description of that company a few times, still a little unclear but I think I get the bulk of it. Doesn't sound like a free to play dev.
They are not a FTP developer or marketing company.
Ah good I needed to hear that. Thanks for the good info.
Not exactly. Take the trouble to look at their website (http://sleepinggiantsolutions.com/) and you'll see they are a business development company with their fingers in a lot of pots, whatever their clients need for them to do. They also develop "casual and mobile" games and work on marketing strategies especially for Japan. But I agree that this doesn't look like a F2P move (assuming that a relationship between SG and ZOS exists to begin with) so much as a business development, infrastructure support B2B relationship. You know, the kind of thing companies do all the time...0 -
mutharex✭✭✭✭✭The company working with ESO is actually called "Sleepy Giant"
http://www.sleepygiant.com/#about
They specialize in GaaS or "Games as a service" (Sometimes called "Cloud Gaming") which is described somewhat in this post:
http://www.develop-online.net/interview/games-as-a-service-what-does-it-mean-for-indies/0189880
Well I re-read the description of that company a few times, still a little unclear but I think I get the bulk of it. Doesn't sound like a free to play dev.
They are not a FTP developer or marketing company.
Ah good I needed to hear that. Thanks for the good info.
Not exactly. Take the trouble to look at their website (http://sleepinggiantsolutions.com/) and you'll see they are a business development company with their fingers in a lot of pots, whatever their clients need for them to do. They also develop "casual and mobile" games and work on marketing strategies especially for Japan. But I agree that this doesn't look like a F2P move (assuming that a relationship between SG and ZOS exists to begin with) so much as a business development, infrastructure support B2B relationship. You know, the kind of thing companies do all the time...
Why do you have to use logic and facts in a troll thread?!? SPOILSPORT!!!!
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ers101284b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The company working with ESO is actually called "Sleepy Giant"
http://www.sleepygiant.com/#about
They specialize in GaaS or "Games as a service" (Sometimes called "Cloud Gaming") which is described somewhat in this post:
http://www.develop-online.net/interview/games-as-a-service-what-does-it-mean-for-indies/0189880
Well I re-read the description of that company a few times, still a little unclear but I think I get the bulk of it. Doesn't sound like a free to play dev.
They are not a FTP developer or marketing company.
Ah good I needed to hear that. Thanks for the good info.
Not exactly. Take the trouble to look at their website (http://sleepinggiantsolutions.com/) and you'll see they are a business development company with their fingers in a lot of pots, whatever their clients need for them to do. They also develop "casual and mobile" games and work on marketing strategies especially for Japan. But I agree that this doesn't look like a F2P move (assuming that a relationship between SG and ZOS exists to begin with) so much as a business development, infrastructure support B2B relationship. You know, the kind of thing companies do all the time...
That's not the right website. But Your right they have nothing to do with going F2P0 -
and about 20% of my guild are still playing. I expected a lot of people to quit the guild, since I'm not logging on to lead it but nope, no one quit the guild - it looks like they simply don't log on either.
Got booted from one guild, another one is very active, and the other ones I'm in have about 50% inactive players (haven't logged in in more than 2 weeks).
Anyone else?
Not really understanding the question but I can say this, I've seen more players nowadays than like, a month ago.
How can I prove that? In no way.
You decide.
PS. Some old Guilds have died probably because they started with the beta and free month thing and got bored with their cheats not working anymore (cough, sorry)... New Guilds are born because they see there's something new to be seen and they like the game how it is now.
Cheers...
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How misleading this statement is. ZOS and Sleepy(not sleeping) giant have been working together since before the game released. That's easy enough to see if you actually go to their website and see that their projects section still says "Sleepy Giant is providing custom web development and account management services to Zenimax Online Studios for their upcoming game Elder Scrolls® Online"Malpherian wrote: »Seems to be the common theme on the forums, all sorts of guild masters are reporting empty guilds, even my crafting guild (not mine but the one Im in) which had 500+ active people 2 weeks ago, now only has about 20 active people.
The consensus I'm gathering is that the sub ratio next month will be far less then it was this month int he report.
But in all honesty if ZOS would just remove classes, then 1.5 Million TES fans would come die hard running back. (As that's the reason they didn't buy the game or sub at release after beta).
But I don't think ZOS is wise enough to see that, especially after they ignored our please in the beta to ditch the things. We even told them they were going to lose a huge majority of TES fans because of it's restrictions.
Sleeping Giant is now working with ZOS apparently also, and their specialty is F2P marketing. So I guess ZOS is going F2P in the next 6 months to a year.Edited by LtCrunch on July 10, 2014 2:07PMNerdSauce GamingLaughs-At-Wounds - Sap tanking since 03/30/14ßrandalf - Light armor tanking since 03/03/15Brandalf Beer-Belly - Tanking drunk since 12/30/163 -
ZOS_AlanGadminAs others have pointed out in this thread, Sleepy Giant is one of our partners, and they've helped with ESO account management since since beta. We hope this clears up some of the concerns people had.Forum Rules | Promoting Constructive Discussion | Code of Conduct | Terms of Service | Help Site
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✭✭✭As others have pointed out in this thread, Sleepy Giant is one of our partners, and they've helped with ESO account management since since beta. We hope this clears up some of the concerns people had.
So no F2P. Though if they helped you with the Subscription payments you might wanna find someone else to help you out next time. That was a FlusterCluck5