So I logged in today, first time in two weeks...

Singular

and about 20% of my guild are still playing. I expected a lot of people to quit the guild, since I'm not logging on to lead it but nope, no one quit the guild - it looks like they simply don't log on either.

Got booted from one guild, another one is very active, and the other ones I'm in have about 50% inactive players (haven't logged in in more than 2 weeks).

Anyone else?

Malpherian

Seems to be the common theme on the forums, all sorts of guild masters are reporting empty guilds, even my crafting guild (not mine but the one Im in) which had 500+ active people 2 weeks ago, now only has about 20 active people.

The consensus I'm gathering is that the sub ratio next month will be far less then it was this month int he report.

But in all honesty if ZOS would just remove classes, then 1.5 Million TES fans would come die hard running back. (As that's the reason they didn't buy the game or sub at release after beta).

But I don't think ZOS is wise enough to see that, especially after they ignored our please in the beta to ditch the things. We even told them they were going to lose a huge majority of TES fans because of it's restrictions.

Sleeping Giant is now working with ZOS apparently also, and their specialty is F2P marketing. So I guess ZOS is going F2P in the next 6 months to a year.

Gilvoth

Malpherian wrote: »

Seems to be the common theme on the forums, all sorts of guild masters are reporting empty guilds, even my crafting guild (not mine but the one Im in) which had 500+ active people 2 weeks ago, now only has about 20 active people.

The consensus I'm gathering is that the sub ratio next month will be far less then it was this month int he report.

But in all honesty if ZOS would just remove classes, then 1.5 Million TES fans would come die hard running back. (As that's the reason they didn't buy the game or sub at release after beta).

But I don't think ZOS is wise enough to see that, especially after they ignored our please in the beta to ditch the things. We even told them they were going to lose a huge majority of TES fans because of it's restrictions.

Sleeping Giant is now working with ZOS apparently also, and their specialty is F2P marketing. So I guess ZOS is going F2P in the next 6 months to a year.

awesome post and complete truth from what i have seen. the classes are not balanced nor is the survivability of the lesser classes and damage output. its just not balanced and they claim they want to raise it slowly to come inline with the other classes, but i see that as an excuse to not do it.
eso is made for the people who love skyrim, the morrowind lovers just arent their main concern. my main belief that this happened was 2 reasons, which are 100% speculation and only a guess, but, my belief is that
1) sales = apeal to the skyrim lovers = high subs = make the nord type tank massive damage output and massive survivability.
and 2) again, purely speculation here, but, i think some one high up in eso likes nords and that massive tank nord type class and style so they made the game to put a big smile on one persons face.
as far as the guild's go, my guild had over 110 people in it the very 1st week of launch, i now have 3 active people who play daily and they have both stoped logging in recently and told me they went to play another mmo (darkfall) so basicly i am the only survivor left in my guild and i have heard reports that the same thing has happened to alot of guild's.

happened to me in eso

Mud_Puppy

Malpherian wrote: »

Sleeping Giant is now working with ZOS apparently also, and their specialty is F2P marketing. So I guess ZOS is going F2P in the next 6 months to a year.

........... ..... ..... ....

Just when I thought things were looking up.
I know myself and... alot and I mean ALOT of people will call it quits at that point.

Gilvoth

who is "sleeping giant" ??

Malpherian

Well, I mean the TES titles have been supported by us fans for over 15 years. If Beth/Zenni or whoever thinks they can just spit in the faces of the loyal fans by Butchering the TES title and get away with it. Well... Money and numbers show everything, and the results so far is that instead of selling millions of copies and begining with millions of players (like Skyrim) and the other TES games, TESO started with 500-600k or so (I'm probably being generous), and is now down to less then 200k.

And the Subs keep dropping, I counted 60 people on the forums in the last... 6 hours I think... that said they canceled their subs today, and that's just the people who actually said they did.

I am not canceling my sub, I may *** a lot and complain (And honestly most of my complaints are valid because many others are voicing the same ones), but I'm die hard. Although if it comes to that point, (where I feel I have had enough) I will never buy another product by Beth,Zenni, or anyone associated with them, simply on principle.

Which would be a sad day because I love Fallout also....

Mud_Puppy

Malpherian wrote: »

Well, I mean the TES titles have been supported by us fans for over 15 years. If Beth/Zenni or whoever thinks they can just spit in the faces of the loyal fans by Butchering the TES title and get away with it. Well... Money and numbers show everything, and the results so far is that instead of selling millions of copies and begining with millions of players (like Skyrim) and the other TES games, TESO started with 500-600k or so (I'm probably being generous), and is now down to less then 200k.

And the Subs keep dropping, I counted 60 people on the forums in the last... 6 hours I think... that said they canceled their subs today, and that's just the people who actually said they did.

I am not canceling my sub, I may *** a lot and complain (And honestly most of my complaints are valid because many others are voicing the same ones), but I'm die hard. Although if it comes to that point, (where I feel I have had enough) I will never buy another product by Beth,Zenni, or anyone associated with them, simply on principle.

Which would be a sad day because I love Fallout also....

Well said. I can relate.
Knowing Bethesda isn't really responsible for EsO. I will most definitely Play their single player games. They haven't let me down there yet.

AngryNord

Malpherian wrote: »

We even told them they were going to lose a huge majority of TES fans because of it's restrictions.

Any REAL Elder Scrolls fan (i.e. someone who didn't just become a "fan" due to Skyrim) know that classes have been in all Elder Scrolls games except Redguard.

Mud_Puppy

AngryNord wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

We even told them they were going to lose a huge majority of TES fans because of it's restrictions.

Any REAL Elder Scrolls fan (i.e. someone who didn't just become a "fan" due to Skyrim) know that classes have been in all Elder Scrolls games except Redguard.

Yes but they weren't restrictive classes, they basically just governed what skills leveled faster and what your primary attributes were. But there were never any classes that locked you into skill sets.

murklor007neb18_ESO

Malpherian wrote: »

But in all honesty if ZOS would just remove classes, then 1.5 Million TES fans would come die hard running back. (As that's the reason they didn't buy the game or sub at release after beta).

Really? You think out of all the things wrong with the game, broken PvP, no competition with lack of guild tags, no roleplayer aids, no EU server, plethora of bugs, broken guild stores, boring gameplay, boring veteran levels, forced group endgame, 5+ hours maintenances, etc etc etc... It was the class division that made 1.5 million TES fans run away?

Removing the classes isnt going to make the game any more fun. All it would do is create a build meta and then you'd have 100% vampire insert-FOTM-here instead of just 25% now. The skill system in ESO is not nearly enough varied to allow for the removal of classes. You cant be whatever you want, all you do is gimp yourself.

Gilvoth

Mud_Puppy wrote: »

AngryNord wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

We even told them they were going to lose a huge majority of TES fans because of it's restrictions.

Any REAL Elder Scrolls fan (i.e. someone who didn't just become a "fan" due to Skyrim) know that classes have been in all Elder Scrolls games except Redguard.

Yes but they weren't restrictive classes, they basically just governed what skills leveled faster and what your primary attributes were. But there were never any classes that locked you into skill sets.

you are correct, infact what i remember is that we could eventually get any skill and anything we wanted soemwhere along the way near to endgame.

Malpherian

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

who is "sleeping giant" ??

Sleeping Giant is the marketing group / Studio that Designed SWTOR's F2P system. They have designed Tera Onlines also... But I can't remember if anything they should Use Teras F2P system it's the best in the industry.

Gilvoth

Malpherian wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

who is "sleeping giant" ??

Sleeping Giant is the marketing group / Studio that Designed SWTOR's F2P system.

omg thats not good, thats serius problem very not good.
ouchy

Malpherian

murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

But in all honesty if ZOS would just remove classes, then 1.5 Million TES fans would come die hard running back. (As that's the reason they didn't buy the game or sub at release after beta).

Really? You think out of all the things wrong with the game, broken PvP, no competition with lack of guild tags, no roleplayer aids, no EU server, plethora of bugs, broken guild stores, boring gameplay, boring veteran levels, forced group endgame, 5+ hours maintenances, etc etc etc... It was the class division that made 1.5 million TES fans run away?

Removing the classes isnt going to make the game any more fun. All it would do is create a build meta and then you'd have 100% vampire insert-FOTM-here instead of just 25% now. The skill system in ESO is not nearly enough varied to allow for the removal of classes. You cant be whatever you want, all you do is gimp yourself.

Most Die hard TES fans really could give a crap less about broken bugs as long as they can play the iconic game the remember from the consoles. (Or at least something very similar).

Malpherian

AngryNord wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

We even told them they were going to lose a huge majority of TES fans because of it's restrictions.

Any REAL Elder Scrolls fan (i.e. someone who didn't just become a "fan" due to Skyrim) know that classes have been in all Elder Scrolls games except Redguard.

I think your confusing "Races" with "Classes". and yes Classes have been in TES games all along, but only in ESO do they force you to play a certain way and restrict what other "skills" and "spells" you can learn.

Honfold

Am I the only person that did not see this as a continuation of the TES series? I was expecting a MMO in the TES universe, and that is exactly what I got. Anyway back on topic, I have noticed that my trade guilds have dropped in active members. I was in some pretty well known trade guilds from launch, and I too just like op took a two to three week break and came back to discover that my trade guilds were barely hitting 20 people active out of 500.

Gilvoth

Malpherian wrote: »

murklor007neb18_ESO wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

But in all honesty if ZOS would just remove classes, then 1.5 Million TES fans would come die hard running back. (As that's the reason they didn't buy the game or sub at release after beta).

Really? You think out of all the things wrong with the game, broken PvP, no competition with lack of guild tags, no roleplayer aids, no EU server, plethora of bugs, broken guild stores, boring gameplay, boring veteran levels, forced group endgame, 5+ hours maintenances, etc etc etc... It was the class division that made 1.5 million TES fans run away?

Removing the classes isnt going to make the game any more fun. All it would do is create a build meta and then you'd have 100% vampire insert-FOTM-here instead of just 25% now. The skill system in ESO is not nearly enough varied to allow for the removal of classes. You cant be whatever you want, all you do is gimp yourself.

Most Die hard TES fans really could give a crap less about broken bugs as long as they can play the iconic game the remember from the consoles. (Or at least something very similar).

yes that is exactly the truth, as long as it's morrowind im good to go.i know for a fact if it's got massive buggs then im in the right spot cause it's familiar ground with me and bethesda haha but, eso aint morrowind, nor is it Vvardenfell, theres almost nothing about eso that is even close to morrowind or Vvardenfell
well, accept for the buggs and glitches. lol

Trayyacakes

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

Seems to be the common theme on the forums, all sorts of guild masters are reporting empty guilds, even my crafting guild (not mine but the one Im in) which had 500+ active people 2 weeks ago, now only has about 20 active people.

The consensus I'm gathering is that the sub ratio next month will be far less then it was this month int he report.

But in all honesty if ZOS would just remove classes, then 1.5 Million TES fans would come die hard running back. (As that's the reason they didn't buy the game or sub at release after beta).

But I don't think ZOS is wise enough to see that, especially after they ignored our please in the beta to ditch the things. We even told them they were going to lose a huge majority of TES fans because of it's restrictions.

Sleeping Giant is now working with ZOS apparently also, and their specialty is F2P marketing. So I guess ZOS is going F2P in the next 6 months to a year.

awesome post and complete truth from what i have seen. the classes are not balanced nor is the survivability of the lesser classes and damage output. its just not balanced and they claim they want to raise it slowly to come inline with the other classes, but i see that as an excuse to not do it.
eso is made for the people who love skyrim, the morrowind lovers just arent their main concern. my main belief that this happened was 2 reasons, which are 100% speculation and only a guess, but, my belief is that
1) sales = apeal to the skyrim lovers = high subs = make the nord type tank massive damage output and massive survivability.
and 2) again, purely speculation here, but, i think some one high up in eso likes nords and that massive tank nord type class and style so they made the game to put a big smile on one persons face.
as far as the guild's go, my guild had over 110 people in it the very 1st week of launch, i now have 3 active people who play daily and they have both stoped logging in recently and told me they went to play another mmo (darkfall) so basicly i am the only survivor left in my guild and i have heard reports that the same thing has happened to alot of guild's.

happened to me in eso

What passives do you think Nord's have that make them so amazing?
The health regen? Health regen is worthless.
The Frost Resits and 3% max health? definitely not
Or the 6% damage reduction? This is the only passive is the only one they have that is good.

If you are talking about dragon knights? That is a class not a race, and tbh templars are tankier than DKs, but the reason DKs were made so tanky is because all of there class skills with the exception of 2 that don't do much damage are in melee range. Do DKs do too much damage? yes, but this is due to how well a certain ability meshes with the fire destruction staff.

Mud_Puppy

Honfold wrote: »

Am I the only person that did not see this as a continuation of the TES series? I was expecting a MMO in the TES universe, and that is exactly what I got. Anyway back on topic, I have noticed that my trade guilds have dropped in active members. I was in some pretty well known trade guilds from launch, and I too just like op took a two to three week break and came back to discover that my trade guilds were barely hitting 20 people active out of 500.

It's an mmo with a TES-like pallet. It's not cannon for the most part.

Gilvoth

Trayyacakes wrote: »

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

Seems to be the common theme on the forums, all sorts of guild masters are reporting empty guilds, even my crafting guild (not mine but the one Im in) which had 500+ active people 2 weeks ago, now only has about 20 active people.

The consensus I'm gathering is that the sub ratio next month will be far less then it was this month int he report.

But in all honesty if ZOS would just remove classes, then 1.5 Million TES fans would come die hard running back. (As that's the reason they didn't buy the game or sub at release after beta).

But I don't think ZOS is wise enough to see that, especially after they ignored our please in the beta to ditch the things. We even told them they were going to lose a huge majority of TES fans because of it's restrictions.

Sleeping Giant is now working with ZOS apparently also, and their specialty is F2P marketing. So I guess ZOS is going F2P in the next 6 months to a year.

awesome post and complete truth from what i have seen. the classes are not balanced nor is the survivability of the lesser classes and damage output. its just not balanced and they claim they want to raise it slowly to come inline with the other classes, but i see that as an excuse to not do it.
eso is made for the people who love skyrim, the morrowind lovers just arent their main concern. my main belief that this happened was 2 reasons, which are 100% speculation and only a guess, but, my belief is that
1) sales = apeal to the skyrim lovers = high subs = make the nord type tank massive damage output and massive survivability.
and 2) again, purely speculation here, but, i think some one high up in eso likes nords and that massive tank nord type class and style so they made the game to put a big smile on one persons face.
as far as the guild's go, my guild had over 110 people in it the very 1st week of launch, i now have 3 active people who play daily and they have both stoped logging in recently and told me they went to play another mmo (darkfall) so basicly i am the only survivor left in my guild and i have heard reports that the same thing has happened to alot of guild's.

happened to me in eso

What passives do you think Nord's have that make them so amazing?
The health regen? Health regen is worthless.
The Frost Resits and 3% max health? definitely not
Or the 6% damage reduction? This is the only passive is the only one they have that is good.

If you are talking about dragon knights? That is a class not a race, and tbh templars are tankier than DKs, but the reason DKs were made so tanky is because all of there class skills with the exception of 2 that don't do much damage are in melee range. Do DKs do too much damage? yes, but this is due to how well a certain ability meshes with the fire destruction staff.

haha nice try at avoiding my entire point and reasoning, the fact of the matter remains that nightblades are the true source of elder scrolls stealthy assassin type

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdfdronurLc

its all about the stealth assassin types for many many many many morrowind and skyrim and oblivion lovers.
it was and is a huge slap in the face seeing the dragonights and the hate for elves in eso. it truely is.

david271749

Malpherian wrote: »

Sleeping Giant is now working with ZOS apparently also, and their specialty is F2P marketing. So I guess ZOS is going F2P in the next 6 months to a year.

@Malpherian‌

Source?

SirJesto

The company working with ESO is actually called "Sleepy Giant"

http://www.sleepygiant.com/#about

They specialize in GaaS or "Games as a service" (Sometimes called "Cloud Gaming") which is described somewhat in this post:

http://www.develop-online.net/interview/games-as-a-service-what-does-it-mean-for-indies/0189880

Mud_Puppy

SirJesto wrote: »

The company working with ESO is actually called "Sleepy Giant"

http://www.sleepygiant.com/#about

They specialize in GaaS or "Games as a service" (Sometimes called "Cloud Gaming") which is described somewhat in this post:

http://www.develop-online.net/interview/games-as-a-service-what-does-it-mean-for-indies/0189880

Well I re-read the description of that company a few times, still a little unclear but I think I get the bulk of it. Doesn't sound like a free to play dev.

SirJesto

Mud_Puppy wrote: »

SirJesto wrote: »

The company working with ESO is actually called "Sleepy Giant"

http://www.sleepygiant.com/#about

They specialize in GaaS or "Games as a service" (Sometimes called "Cloud Gaming") which is described somewhat in this post:

http://www.develop-online.net/interview/games-as-a-service-what-does-it-mean-for-indies/0189880

Well I re-read the description of that company a few times, still a little unclear but I think I get the bulk of it. Doesn't sound like a free to play dev.

They are not a FTP developer or marketing company.

Wolfshead

Malpherian wrote: »

Sleeping Giant is now working with ZOS apparently also, and their specialty is F2P marketing. So I guess ZOS is going F2P in the next 6 months to a year.

Do have any proof of this i mean link that back up what you are say for you do know if you can't show link that back this one up people will think you are trolling and spread bad rumors.

Beside it look like most of you have forgot about something call summer and school holidays and vacation time under the summer also we have heat way here in sweden atm do really think people is go to sit inside and play computer game when it nice weather outside???

I would be more worry about player number after summer month is over for it is know fact that all mmo have BIG drop in there player base under summer due to simple fact i post above

Mud_Puppy

SirJesto wrote: »

Mud_Puppy wrote: »

SirJesto wrote: »

The company working with ESO is actually called "Sleepy Giant"

http://www.sleepygiant.com/#about

They specialize in GaaS or "Games as a service" (Sometimes called "Cloud Gaming") which is described somewhat in this post:

http://www.develop-online.net/interview/games-as-a-service-what-does-it-mean-for-indies/0189880

Well I re-read the description of that company a few times, still a little unclear but I think I get the bulk of it. Doesn't sound like a free to play dev.

They are not a FTP developer or marketing company.

Ah good I needed to hear that. Thanks for the good info.

Singular

Wolfshead wrote: »

Malpherian wrote: »

Sleeping Giant is now working with ZOS apparently also, and their specialty is F2P marketing. So I guess ZOS is going F2P in the next 6 months to a year.

Do have any proof of this i mean link that back up what you are say for you do know if you can't show link that back this one up people will think you are trolling and spread bad rumors.

Beside it look like most of you have forgot about something call summer and school holidays and vacation time under the summer also we have heat way here in sweden atm do really think people is go to sit inside and play computer game when it nice weather outside???

I would be more worry about player number after summer month is over for it is know fact that all mmo have BIG drop in there player base under summer due to simple fact i post above

They are working together, but who knows for what. The Sleeping Giant site says in maintaining the forums.

I don't know - if this goes f2p maybe some of the players will return for a bit. Just kidding. I'd stop, but I'm not really playing anyways.

I hope they work it out, make it better, etc.

Cyanhide

It seems to me if you look at reddit and the "internet " people are actually returning lol.

Wolfshead

@‌ Singular

I know i just read there homepage and honest it say nothing about the make games F2P.

The sound more like company that help other Game developer the sound like a labour hire company and the help you with marketing thing but for Game developer instead.

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Cyanhide

I think people are forgetting one thing, what Zenimax is doing hasn't been done by any other company, create an mmorpg for
MAC-PC- Xbox -PS4 honestly 4 platforms that all need to be marketed to a specific crowd, one might need help at that. And it seems to me that a company like Sleeping giant does just that. Also i'm not seeing SW:TOR on their list tho... IF you look at the success of the SW:TOR freemium model they would at least put it on their website. How great they are... a lot of fear mongering if you ask me.

david271749

Cyanhide wrote: »

I think people are forgetting one thing, what Zenimax is doing hasn't been done by any other company, create an mmorpg for
MAC-PC- Xbox -PS4 honestly 4 platforms that all need to be marketed to a specific crowd.

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