Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Krinaman wrote: »

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Also it is totally possible to level up in the alliance war skill lines without being very good at PvP or learning how to play it. Just do the daily scout quests and leech off of groups that are good by joining them or even just going to the same place they are and standing around when they are in fights. People do it to us all the time.

Just as it's totally possible to get emperor by leaching off other players.

You fought for hours to get someone crowned as emperor. Had that someone been a person that leeched/quested his/her way to the top playing 24/7 they would still be emperor despite their lack of skill. Heck, that person could of been off farming points while you took the keeps. You do the work, they get the reward.

Believe me, the people fighting with us would not rally to crown a leecher emperor. The guy who we're getting it for deserves it fully and has our entire guild and associated guilds' support. I'd even be fine with him keeping it if he wants to, but he's a nice guy and probably won't for very long.

@Agrippa_Invisus‌ we will be taking that crown off yas soon enough

As for the OP,
I don't think former emps are anything special, but the behavior it has caused on smaller pop campaigns has been reproachable. Having former/emp bonuses only apply in the campaign you got them might be sufficient as a solution.

BK s, I believe, is your heir apparent? He was definitely in Chalman last night pulling his weight.

He is, if he's not already emp . Maybe by this weekend if they fix the fps nonsense.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Krinaman wrote: »

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Also it is totally possible to level up in the alliance war skill lines without being very good at PvP or learning how to play it. Just do the daily scout quests and leech off of groups that are good by joining them or even just going to the same place they are and standing around when they are in fights. People do it to us all the time.

Just as it's totally possible to get emperor by leaching off other players.

You fought for hours to get someone crowned as emperor. Had that someone been a person that leeched/quested his/her way to the top playing 24/7 they would still be emperor despite their lack of skill. Heck, that person could of been off farming points while you took the keeps. You do the work, they get the reward.

Believe me, the people fighting with us would not rally to crown a leecher emperor. The guy who we're getting it for deserves it fully and has our entire guild and associated guilds' support. I'd even be fine with him keeping it if he wants to, but he's a nice guy and probably won't for very long.

@Agrippa_Invisus‌ we will be taking that crown off yas soon enough

As for the OP,
I don't think former emps are anything special, but the behavior it has caused on smaller pop campaigns has been reproachable. Having former/emp bonuses only apply in the campaign you got them might be sufficient as a solution.

BK s, I believe, is your heir apparent? He was definitely in Chalman last night pulling his weight.

He is, if he's not already emp . Maybe by this weekend if they fix the fps nonsense.

Unfortunately, the ol' 9-5 leaves me with a set play schedule.

Same . Stayed up way too late yesterday in that chalman push... ugh, so close... need coffeeee

A few others don't have that whole 'job' issue to hold them back though... just gotta hope they can rally enough daytime PuGs for the cause.

Tripwyr wrote: »

Breea wrote: »

Benefits of former Emperor, IF you have the skill points invested.

1. Domination - Increases Health, Magicka, and Stamina combat regeneration by 2%.
2. Authority - Decreases Ultimate costs by 5%.
3. Monarch - Increases the magnitude of healing effects on former Emperors by 1%.
4. Tactician - Increases Siege Weapon Damage by 2%.
5. Emperor - Increases Health, Magicka, and Stamina by 100% while in your campaign.

<snip >The biggest thing is the OOC regen of health, magicka and stamina, but that's not really a factor while in combat.

<snip> OOC regen is the only real advantage. The rest is all piddly stuff.

<snip>

There is no OOC regen bonus. Not sure where you got that from. #5 Emperor does not give former emps any bonus at all. Our bonuses are 2% combat regeneration, 5% reduced ultimate cost, 1% healing received, and 2% siege damage. That is it.

Most of us did not get Emp for the former bonuses. We got Emp to enjoy being the Emperor for one cycle until we got deposed, after which we gave somebody else a chance to experience it. In Alacrity, this is what we did every time. We've accumulated many Emps over a long period of time by doing this, but it was never our intention to "farm" the bonuses. We just wanted to enjoy that part of the game, and I can tell you it was some of the best experiences I've ever had in a game.

What was happening on Celarus and what I'm told is now happening on other campaigns is disappointing. It for some reason is not about enjoying Emperor but instead farming out a title to as many people as possible. I think the problem is that people have seen former Emperors devastating the battlefield and just assumed that the former Emp buffs were what allowed it. The reality is that many of these players are highly skilled, it has nothing to do with the tiny buffs they receive.

I was unsure as to whether the OOC regen carried over or not so I included it as well. This isn't clearly defined on any sites and I have never been emp myself, but that makes this even less of an advantage.

As you said, many of the players who have gotten emp were highly skilled and highly coordinated. It's not the emp buff that is making these players good. As far as not enjoying it, again, why is it a bad thing for people to not want to just dominate the battlefield as emperor? For many just the fact that they have gainted the title is the accomplishment. The game is their enjoyment, being in a good solid fight and not knowing who will win, but knowing that you're going to battle till you have no more options. That's the thrill of PVP.

So, if I'm reading this correctly, you'd rather have a group of highly skilled players running around with one of them having the much more awesome current emperor buffs than having many of them having a much smaller buff. So, the question is then how long exactly do you have to stay Emperor in order to enjoy it? How long before you get tired of being more powerful and want to go back to the fight? Can you determine that for someone else?

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Halrloprillalar wrote: »

Krinaman wrote: »

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Also it is totally possible to level up in the alliance war skill lines without being very good at PvP or learning how to play it. Just do the daily scout quests and leech off of groups that are good by joining them or even just going to the same place they are and standing around when they are in fights. People do it to us all the time.

Just as it's totally possible to get emperor by leaching off other players.

You fought for hours to get someone crowned as emperor. Had that someone been a person that leeched/quested his/her way to the top playing 24/7 they would still be emperor despite their lack of skill. Heck, that person could of been off farming points while you took the keeps. You do the work, they get the reward.

Believe me, the people fighting with us would not rally to crown a leecher emperor. The guy who we're getting it for deserves it fully and has our entire guild and associated guilds' support. I'd even be fine with him keeping it if he wants to, but he's a nice guy and probably won't for very long.

@Agrippa_Invisus‌ we will be taking that crown off yas soon enough

As for the OP,
I don't think former emps are anything special, but the behavior it has caused on smaller pop campaigns has been reproachable. Having former/emp bonuses only apply in the campaign you got them might be sufficient as a solution.

BK s, I believe, is your heir apparent? He was definitely in Chalman last night pulling his weight.

Yes, and he deserves it. Not enough for me to make a back-room deal with you guys , but he deserves it and is not one of the leeches I was referring to.

Of course we won't rally to take the emp keeps for the leeches. We rallied for BK s.

Krinaman wrote: »

No what I am saying is people gaming the system by taking turns flipping keeps getting a buff is unfair. It's also a stupid system that incentivizes the pathetic state that PvP is right now. It's a complete and utter joke on almost every campaign and the few campaigns where people are actually PvPing you run up against groups of former emps who got it by farming on the other campaigns.

I also never said to take the reward away. In fact, I said the exact opposite. Leave the former emperor buff just let people who can't be on 24/7 a chance to get them as well without exploiting. As I suggested give it as an award for reaching rank 10 or whatever rank. It would still require people to put in their time to get the buff but not require you to do it in a short period of time.

It also amazes me that people are going on about how small of a buff it is but are so determined to make sure nobody else can get it.

And yes, it's rude to assume that all former emps have gamed the system. But with the current system that assumption is almost certainly correct.

Now I'm actually slightly offended. While I can understand your frustration with those who will stop at nothing to take unintended game mechanics and use them to the fullest there are plenty of us who do not do this. In fact I know of over a dozen former emps that I myself have helped gain the title that didn't exploit the system or do anything that it was not intended to do by the game developers.

Yes, there are plenty of people being underhanded about gaining points in pvp. There is no way to make the system so that the system itself makes this impossible. If there is a rule there will be someone out there who will try and find a way around it. Enforcement is the problem with this, those that are doing things that are not intended are not getting any consequences.

As for making sure no body else gets it, there are plenty of people out there that are wanting to hold on to emperor as long as possible to make sure that others don't have the chance to hold it and yet it's only those who are sharing the buffs with guildies that are being vilified on here. I'd say getting in a guild that is working on sharing the buff with other guildies would be the best bet of any non 24/7 character to get the opportunity to have emperor.

It's a point system, so whoever has the most points wins. So, maximize your ability to get the most points, get help from others to do so. There are missions you can run as an individual that don't require you to kill any npcs, you can get points by simply being around another group that is defending a resource or keep, simply by being in the zone when your alliance captures a scroll you get points. You can use siege weapons and kill ten people at a time if you use it tactically. There's not just one way to emperor.

As for me personally, I have not been emperor and don't expect to be emperor for a long time if I ever do. It's not something that is my focus in the game and it's not something that to me is that wonderful. However, I am going to defend that it is meant for the highest ranking of each alliance and if they make it up that far then kudos to them. I'm happy for them. Does it make me mad when I see someone who leached the whole time get emp, yeah it does, but the only way to stop this is to have more gms on and watching for people going outside the rules. But then again, what's the difference in going to the restroom during a break and getting a defense tick from just sitting there and getting a defense tick and who are we to say that it is wrong?

It also amazes me that people are going on about how small of a buff it is and yet are so upset they have trouble getting enough points to get the buffs because they don't play as often. The flipside to your coin. I haven't stopped anyone from getting emperor, there is no way for me to stop you from getting emperor if you have the points, it's impossible.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

the passives themselves aren't the actual problem going on here, it's that they're undermining the base spirit of PVP in general. Alot of these big elite guilds aren't looking for massive battles against players, they want sheep to farm and fleece for points. Opposing facs don't take the inner ring because they fight for it, they take it because the dominant guild on the camp ALLOWS them to, skulking in keeps sitting on their thumbs, only putting a token defense and barely bothering to repair the walls. I've seen keeps with no repairs whatsoever, leaving other facs to waltz in and take the keep.

I saw a group sneaking around inside and when I put a bal up to peg some of the opposing players, I was told not to attack them because it would 'discourage them' from taking the keep, yet this guild has almost complete dominance of the map with the exception of the inner ring which changes colors more often than a Simon Says. Its like that quote from that one movie, "War implies both sides have a even chance of winning". This is supposed to be war, not a daycare sharing party where 'everyone should get the buffs'. Either create a penalty that strips you of your former emp buffs if you leave the server or create a time limit where you can only get the associated benefits if you hold onto emp for an extended period of time, with incrementally stronger buffs the longer you hold onto it.

As lore-friendly as it might be to have craven cowards vying for the throne, it makes for a very poor community. Alot of these big guilds don't accept pugs and won't give you the time of day unless you use teamspeak or any other form of voice chat. I can barely even get single kills because with all the zergs on sieges it's difficult to target an actual player before they get vaporized, and since the opposing fac doesn't actually defend tooth and nail, all I get is xp from guards. I can get more points doing scout quests and tagging along on capture keep quests, and to be cheeky, I think I'm going to start doing town dailies as often as I can and save enough gold to buy kits and repair all those half-built walls. I spit on these big guilds treating combat like it's a business, shady one too.

Nailed it.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO wrote: »

the passives themselves aren't the actual problem going on here, it's that they're undermining the base spirit of PVP in general. Alot of these big elite guilds aren't looking for massive battles against players, they want sheep to farm and fleece for points. Opposing facs don't take the inner ring because they fight for it, they take it because the dominant guild on the camp ALLOWS them to, skulking in keeps sitting on their thumbs, only putting a token defense and barely bothering to repair the walls. I've seen keeps with no repairs whatsoever, leaving other facs to waltz in and take the keep.

I saw a group sneaking around inside and when I put a bal up to peg some of the opposing players, I was told not to attack them because it would 'discourage them' from taking the keep, yet this guild has almost complete dominance of the map with the exception of the inner ring which changes colors more often than a Simon Says. Its like that quote from that one movie, "War implies both sides have a even chance of winning". This is supposed to be war, not a daycare sharing party where 'everyone should get the buffs'. Either create a penalty that strips you of your former emp buffs if you leave the server or create a time limit where you can only get the associated benefits if you hold onto emp for an extended period of time, with incrementally stronger buffs the longer you hold onto it.

As lore-friendly as it might be to have craven cowards vying for the throne, it makes for a very poor community. Alot of these big guilds don't accept pugs and won't give you the time of day unless you use teamspeak or any other form of voice chat. I can barely even get single kills because with all the zergs on sieges it's difficult to target an actual player before they get vaporized, and since the opposing fac doesn't actually defend tooth and nail, all I get is xp from guards. I can get more points doing scout quests and tagging along on capture keep quests, and to be cheeky, I think I'm going to start doing town dailies as often as I can and save enough gold to buy kits and repair all those half-built walls. I spit on these big guilds treating combat like it's a business, shady one too.

Very well stated and sums up my feelings on the issue.. I've tried and failed to explain my thoughts on this issue several times over the last couple of days but these 3 paragraphs succeeded. Thanks

soooo DB right now, is EP literally handing DC emp?

nvm... ninjaed aleswell and held it then ninjaed ash mwahahahah NO EMP4U

We strictly forbid exploiting as a guild, (.[/quote]
are you serious?

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

"Remember that time at Chalman we defended Nymeria's crown? EPIC!"

Brace for it… the fight's not over .

I'll be there and bring my whopping 1 FPS with me!

Will you be there, or were you there?

bruceb14_ESO5 wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

kirnmalidus wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

"Remember that time at Chalman we defended Nymeria's crown? EPIC!"

Brace for it… the fight's not over .

I'll be there and bring my whopping 1 FPS with me!

Will you be there, or were you there?

Nymeria was deposed while I was at work, sadly.

I contented myself by holding Roebeck against the blue hordes until we could start back capping things.

To give credit where it's due, the fps issue has improved slightly (for me at least) since yesterday or w/e patch was... like I can almost make it a full 5 min before relogging, yay...

DC got seriously cockblocked from emp today, I'm pretty happy. Not that I like congratulating my enemies but Roe held out pretty good despite apparently very little EP being around, while we ninjaed ale and ash.
@Agrippa_Invisus‌ That does not mean you guys get to get emp back though

Also, lol at only 2 DC defending the chim scroll the ENTIRE way... then having 20+ defend glade. lolwut

Any guild who bypasses spirit of the intended pvp warfare to swap emperors intentionally I find disgusting and a lack of integrity. Exploits or not.

No problems in my eyes for you guys n gals then. If you do your best to defend the inner keeps to keep your emperor up as long as possible while at the same time another player pushes ahead in scoring, then you are doing your best for your alliance and are not simply ping ponging one keep back and forth. It is where guilds openly allow the enemy to decrown the emperor by inviting them into one of their keeps that I find disgusting...then instantly taking it back while the emperor shifts campaign to allow 2nd place guildie to get the job.

leewells wrote: »

Krinaman wrote: »

Breea wrote: »

So, what you're really upset about is when the factions gang up to rule the server, which isn't even what we were talking about. Yes, I agree with you there. There is something unfair about that, but then there are a bunch of servers out there. For every one where it's AD dominated there's one that is DC dominated
and one that is EP dominated.

No what I am upset about is that I try to play on a balanced server and go up against groups of a half a dozen or more former emps who have an advantage over me simply because they gamed the system.

Do you also QQ when a group of impulse spammers kill you because they too game the system by unilaterally using nothing but the most OP abilities?

How about when someone like my team finds your invis group of 20, immediately sets up one meatbag and 8 fire balistas; and fire at the same time? Would you also be QQing about gaming the system?

The greatest exploit in this game will always be coordination, whether you straw man it in emperor, communications, etc. Everyone QQ's about coordination and organized pvp every moment they get.

LEEWELLS's Law of PVP: The more coordinated a PVP team becomes, the infinitely more QQ and butt hurt that will exist outside said team.

Have you seen a single QQ post from me on any of those things? You see that is actually PvPing. The thing I am "QQ" about is a mechanic that encourages people to not PvP.