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To the people who defend the game

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I acknowledge that this is a fantastic game. I also wish to point out that I'm a big fan of ESO. I strongly believe in the potential of this game, and I really love the general idea of having the ES franchise approach the MMO scene.

I'm a gamer in general, I play all genres. Be it FPS, PC, RTS, RPG, and all types of MMO. I believe there are strength and weaknesses that each genre possess, and there are also different stand points when you assess a different genre. Now, I'm not going to touch on whether this is a MMO or a single player. I'm going to assess this as simply an online game that has constant updates which you can either play alone or with others. It's essentially a just a game. A product with service.

Let's look at the product. Ignore all reviews and look at the product.
It's a game that costs you money when you make your first purchase with 30 days game time.
Is it aesthetically pleasing? Above average.
Is it what you desire? Assuming you bought the game, yes, it's interesting.
Is it functional? Generally yes, we'll come back to this later.
Is it fun? Generally yes, I had tonnes of fun. But let's leave it as a yes as of now.
Is it worth the money as a product? This is controversial. I'd say yes, but you may have a different opinion.

To me, it's a great product. A constantly evolving product that is shaped by it's services. You must pay $15 every month to upkeep this product and keep it functional for you, the $15 will also account for updates and fixes. So let's take a look at it's services.

Maintenance & Fixes
Are the maintenances frequent and professional?
While the maintenance is frequent. It is definitely not professional. Think of this as a job, or your homework.

What's the deadline whenever there is a maintenance?
There isn't a deadline and they could have it done in any amount of time. Vague promises are made and none fulfilled.

Is it a quality piece of work when the patch is provided?
There is constant omission of pending issues, with problems that existed since beta unable to be resolved to this date. New problematic issues surface with the launch of each and every patch. Features that were previously functional may be rendered dysfunctional post patch.

Does it satisfy the objective and theme of the work assigned?
Whilst the theme of the game may vary with consumers, the objective is to keep it functional and provide general fun and stress relieve. With the recent patches, the game declines in functionality with reports of performance drops and game breaking bugs. If general fun is assessed by the number of subscription termination and loss of population, the statistics and surrounding phenomenons show that the game has failed to achieve it's objective of securing the targeted population.

Consider it an amendment to your company sales contract, does it state the amendments clearly?
Amendments or patch notes are never accurate, the patch notes require updates that adds notes omitted. To consumers, patch notes may be a list of amendments, to seller, patch notes is a list of objectives. Seller is clearly unable to set or achieve target objectives in providing said patches.

Functionality vs Content
With each patch, the product loses some of it's functionality and regain/gain new & old features. Ignoring the fact that the product of which you paid for upon first purchase will lose functionality should you terminate your monthly payment, it is unacceptable that the monthly payment contributes to the loss of functionality in said product.

Assuming you bought a car, it is supposed to have a lifespan of 5 years. You send the car to a routine maintenance and upgrade. Should your car lose it's exhaust system or overheat during that five years of intended general usage? It's unacceptable if that happens, same goes to the game.

Content update is totally controversial. Some desire horizontal content that grants more comfort during general usage, some desire vertical content that gives user the ability to go further. Think about it this way, of the $15 that you have paid, deduct the amount you pay for the customer service and taxes, deduct the amount attributable to server upkeep, you may be left with 50% of the amount which is $7.50. Does the new content justify $7.50? That is totally up to you.

Please do not include any amount to the fixes, as these fixes are supposed to be paid for upon purchase. Think of it this way, you bought a new car, the car comes with a broken radio, are you supposed to pay for the fixes? I don't think so. You brought the car to the place you bought, they fix the radio and broke the electronics, are you supposed to be responsible? I don't think so too.

Customer Service
ESO provides customer service which includes ticketing system and a forum.

Ticketing
This will always have mixed review as it differs from the person-in-charge (PIC).
Here are my notes regarding, the general idea of ticketing is to allow consumers to submit problems found within the product, of which will be assessed and resolved by a PIC. Have this been achieved? For me, yes.

As ESO is a multi-user product, the ticketing will also allow users to report other users that has performed a task that will affect or potentially affect the gameplay of other users. Has this been achieved? For me, I was lucky to be assigned to a great PIC once and the offender was given a fair warning. Regarding botters, there was no reply or status update or confirmation of said report is proven legitimate. From what I heard, the exploiters in PVP are still roaming freely.

The customers are also allowed to provide feedbacks and suggestions regarding said products. Has your feedback been reflected in the patch notes? I've written several feedbacks regarding patch prioritisation, to fix before add, yet it appears that it has fallen to deaf ears.

Forums
(I will merely ask questions and provide no answers due to the Code of Conduct stating that discuss of forum moderation is unacceptable. Please refrain from posting your reply to these questions and reserve your answers. Discussion regarding forum moderation is not permitted)

1. Do you like the forum provided with the intention to let consumers discuss the product?

2. Are you able to fully express your feelings regarding said product on said forum?
Is your post which was intended to be discussed with other users achieving it's target objective?

3. Is your feedback on the forums truly reflect in the product's evolution?

4. Has the personnel in charge provided reasonable care and feedback to your posted issue? Have they been able to comprehend your problems regarding said product and provide necessary feedbacks?

I will leave that to you. once again, please do not post discuss forum moderation in this thread or it will be removed.

After you have read this, I assume you know that I am no longer comparing the product (ESO) to any MMORPG or RPG, nor am I saying that the product should go F2P. This is not even about innovation that has declined in recent years of gaming industry and the decreasing amount of new IP (intellectual property).

This is merely a product and service assessment of which you should do yourself and determine if this product is worth your time and money. Is ESO giving you more entertainment than you paid for? Or has it been frustrating and failed in it's role to bring you fun? Quality wise, does it satisfy you?

If you are a student, it's merely a teacher marking the papers. Has ESO passed the test? Has this student been listening to you? Do you think this student will pass the test in future attempts?

Personally, I love the product and am disappointed at the services. The product is well worth it's price, the services are supposed to, but it really doesn't as of now.
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  • Coggage
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    It's a game - a frivolous way to pass the time - meaning that like any other form of entertainment it's ultimately of no real significance. It pleases me to spend time playing it for the entertainment value. Like any other pastime, if it stops entertaining me I'll stop playing.
  • AlexDougherty
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    Maintenance is fine, deadlines while nice are never realistic, in my last MMO they were usually missed, with it taking longer by hours.

    Functionality versus Content, hard one to judge, yes somethings go wrong with every patch, and some things get fixed or even introduced (Jerkins, content I know). On the whole I feel it's working it's way towards getting better, but it's got a way to go.

    Customer Service needs improving, in the industry at the moment the costumer service attitude seems to be "It will do" which is just wrong, it should be "Are we the best?".

    The forums though are alright for discussions, the mods tend to be reasonable, and it is their forum so the rules are their's to choose,. If people don't like that, well they can pay for their own own forums.
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  • Shiroro
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    ZOS seems to have pretty terrible mid/upper management. I'm guessing they're just winging everything. I don't mind longer than scheduled maintenances (it happens) but I absolutely can't stand that there are dozens of changes in every patch that AREN'T IN THE PATCH NOTES!

    I would say they need to focus on attacking the lag problem right now, then move on to improving quality of life for vet rank players.
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    I don't care when they do maintenance or how long it takes them. All I want is for stuff to get fixed when they are doing it.

    My personal experience with customer service lately has been excellent.
    Edited by Tabbycat on July 1, 2014 11:30AM
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  • Cogo
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    Shiroro wrote: »
    ZOS seems to have pretty terrible mid/upper management. I'm guessing they're just winging everything. I don't mind longer than scheduled maintenances (it happens) but I absolutely can't stand that there are dozens of changes in every patch that AREN'T IN THE PATCH NOTES!

    I would say they need to focus on attacking the lag problem right now, then move on to improving quality of life for vet rank players.

    Cut and paste from patch notes:
    The Elder Scrolls Online v1.2.4 is an incremental patch featuring fixes to gameplay and quests, including a fix for Silver Bolts, the sudden drop in FPS that you’re seeing in Cyrodiil, and weapon swapping breaking stealth.

    I highlighted what very common in every patch in every MMO, is that they dont list all the million fixes they do. Just the important ones.

    Instead of showing you directly in how many ways they ONLY working for Vet players (there are more players in game then vets), then I ask you kindly to look at what they are working on right now. What they have planed for next patch and what they have planned after that. The majority is Vet content. Ask PvPer what they think of that. They want the justice system, both new guilds and the pvp city now!

    Vet content comes first. Not sure what you going for.....
    Edited by Cogo on July 1, 2014 11:38AM
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  • Enkil
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    Cogo wrote: »
    Cut and paste from patch notes:
    The Elder Scrolls Online v1.2.4 is an incremental patch featuring fixes to gameplay and quests, including a fix for Silver Bolts, the sudden drop in FPS that you’re seeing in Cyrodiil, and weapon swapping breaking stealth.

    I highlighted what very common in every patch in every MMO, is that they dont list all the million fixes they do. Just the important ones.


    Sad part is, the fixes you pasted address problems that did not exist before patch 1.2.3. If that patch had been properly testing, they wouldn't have been wasting time working on a fix and applying it in this latest patch. That may have been acceptable in Beta.. but they have started charging a subscription fee and need to test and rectify any issues with a patch before it is ever put in the live game. That's just common sense.

    Edited by Enkil on July 1, 2014 1:45PM
  • Aeradon
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    Enkil wrote: »
    Cogo wrote: »
    Cut and paste from patch notes:
    The Elder Scrolls Online v1.2.4 is an incremental patch featuring fixes to gameplay and quests, including a fix for Silver Bolts, the sudden drop in FPS that you’re seeing in Cyrodiil, and weapon swapping breaking stealth.

    I highlighted what very common in every patch in every MMO, is that they dont list all the million fixes they do. Just the important ones.


    Sad part is, the fixes you pasted address problems that did not exist before patch 1.2.3. If that patch had been properly testing, they wouldn't have been wasting time working on a fix and applying it in this latest patch. That may have been acceptable in Beta.. but they have starting charging a subscription fee and need to test and rectify any issues with a patch before it is ever put in the live game. That's just common sense.
    /agreed

    The best part is, the "fix" did not even partially resolve the issues that surfaced due to the patch.

    Fixes to gameplay and quests is understandable. The rest are issues surfaced after the patch 1.2.3. And even that the fixes did not resolve 2/3 of the problems. Ignoring the fact that they pushed the bugged 1.2.3 and assuming these problems are not new, we are looking at 66.67% rate of failure and inefficiency in fixing the game.
    Edited by Aeradon on July 1, 2014 11:49AM
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  • flow.currypoteb17_ESO
    well i think so too, there is a lot of potential. but like that i dont want to play the game. it has to many issues. i am hoping that we will see a very good game in about one year. when they releas the console version. untill than, i will just watch forum, and keep hoping. for a better future in TESO.
  • Hilgara
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    I have played games that were almost technically flawless but they didn't grab me. Most games I play I am done within an hour. by then I know they are not for me. This game is far from technically flawless but for some reason it did grab me and for now I am prepared to have patients. I'm looking forward to see what direction they take the game in.
    In the mean time I can work around the bugs and imbalances. I know that's not true for everyone. |A guild mate of mine left because he couldn't even log into the game and got very little help from support. That is the most worrying aspect of the game to me. The devs seem aloof and distant from their customers and that makes me question the kind of company ZoS is because surely customer relations are a priority in any business.
    Edited by Hilgara on July 1, 2014 12:07PM
  • Blackwidow
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    I wanted to click Insightful, Agree and Awesome.
  • Etaniel
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    Very insightful post. For me it just comes down to : am i having fun? if yes, i'll keep paying for the entertainment, and that's the case right now. Even with all the issues i'm still having a lot of fun.

    As a developper though, i wish they didn't introduce patches without testing them out correctly before. At work, everything i code is tested thoroughly, whether by me or separate testers/developpers. Delivering a product that causes regressions is totally unacceptable, and so i wouldn't mind if they had to wait a couple more weeks between content updates to make sure they provide a quality patch.
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  • DeLindsay
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    Simple answer for me. ESO is worth $12.99/mo (I paid for 6mo) for my "entertainment". It's FAR cheaper than any other entertainment that I can spend my money on each month. ESO was just the right type of MMO for me at the time it launched and still is as I write this. Will it be in 6 months, who knows, but for now it is. I have fully completed the main storyline on my NB main, finished both the Mages and Fighters Guilds, completed a good many achievements, fully explored Craglorn and even stepped inside and checked out the Trials.

    The game plays good enough that I have done all of that without much issue like being held up by broken quests, which happened a few times on the way but were fixed within ~3 days of me being stuck there, by coincidence I'm sure. The graphics are gorgeous compared to most MMO's out today and it runs smoother than any MMO I played before it, save the issues in Cyro that they're still working on. So I find it's worth it and worth defending since it works fine, FOR ME.
  • Con64
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    It's a train wreck, you guy's! Wakie, wakie!
  • Sallington
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    People really like to sensationalize what they feel was a bad launch. That just seems like the popular opinion, so people jump on board and trash the game without knowing what they're talking about. It's the same with EVERY new game regardless of genre. People flock to the forums just to bash the game mercilessly.

    Compared to pretty much any MMO I've ever played at launch, ESO is far and away the smoothest, most well-rounded MMO experience. Sure, other MMOs are more polished with more feature.... a couple years down the road. Games in this genre aren't sprints, they're marathons. People who are constantly complaining how "broken" or "bug-ridden" ESO is just come off as impatient children in my eyes.

    Edited by Sallington on July 1, 2014 12:51PM
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  • AlexDougherty
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    Con64 wrote: »
    It's a train wreck, you guy's! Wakie, wakie!

    No, I've played train wrecks, they are far worse than this.
    The game has a number of issues, but they are getting addressed.

    Also it's spelt wakey wakey :rolleyes:
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  • Ser Lobo
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    While an insightful post, Op, I will say one thing:

    I come to the forums to discuss features and design decisions. When I actually have an issue, or something I directly want to feedback, I do not do so on the forums. When I have a complaint, I do not do so on the forums.

    I use recommended in-game /feedback and /bug reports first. At the most, I may go to the Customer Service section of the forums. I honestly don't expect any type of oversight here on the forums from development teams, and to see that it DOES happen (as community manager Jessica is constantly sending our stuff up the chain) is a blessing, but not the standard.

    If the information is important, there are appropriate ways to handle it. If a player can not or will not use appropriate channels for their problem, then they are someone who is not truly looking for a fix, but instead are looking to create drama and generate hateful feelings. That negative player becomes a 'troll'.

    And yes, I'm saying any complaint post on these General Discussion forums is, by it's very nature, a troll thread.

    If players are just bring up mechanics or issues to encourage discussion from the community on those issues, which is what these General Discussion forums and many sub-forums are for, then their point is fair game and I'll discuss it, from the position of a player who enjoys his game and doesn't see near the flaws as many others.

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    Ruze is a veteran of the PC Beta, lived through the year one drought, survived the buy-to-play conversion, and has stepped foot in the hells known as Craglorn. He mained a nightlbade when nightblades weren't good, and has never worn a robe. He converted from PC during the console betas, and hasn't regretted it a moment since.

    He'd rank ESO:TU (in it's current state) a 4.8 out of 5, loving the game almost entirely.

    This is an multiplayer game. I should be able to log in, join a dungeon, join a battleground, queue for a dolmen or world boss or delve, teleport in, play for 20 minutes, and not worry about getting kicked, failing to join, having perfect voice coms, or being unable to complete content because someone's lagging behind. Group Finder and matchmaking is broken. Take a note from Destiny and build a system that allows from drop-in/drop-out functionality and quick play.
  • Aeradon
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    Sallington wrote: »
    People really like to sensationalize what they feel was a bad launch. That just seems like the popular opinion, so people jump on board and trash the game without knowing what they're talking about. It's the same with EVERY new game regardless of genre. People flock to the forums just to bash the game mercilessly.

    Compared to pretty much any MMO I've ever played at launch, ESO is far and away the smoothest, most well-rounded MMO experience. Sure, other MMOs are more polished with more feature.... a couple years down the road. Games in this genre aren't sprints, they're marathons. People who are constantly complaining how "broken" or "bug-ridden" ESO is just come off as impatient children in my eyes.
    They may be impatient, but that doesn't mean they don't have a point.

    It's not a sprint, it's a marathon. I agree to this.

    ESO prepared for five years with $200 million budget (that's what they say)
    Of which, providing you a huge world at launch, ridden with bugs. We don't care, we reported the bugs and knew it was still a smooth launch. It's Zenimax's habit to launch games with bugs, and we understand that the game is huge, hence the bugs are there.

    Then come the updates and patches. They fix something, they break another.

    It's just like a marathon runner who prepared 5 years, got the right money to support, stopping for water and tie his shoelaces. The next thing you know, his pants fell off when he's running. He stopped for water, pulled up his pants and ran again, now his shoelaces were untied.

    The players complain for a reason. They know its a marathon, they also know that constantly getting tripped by your shoelaces won't win you the marathon.

    @ruze84b14_ESO‌ Here is a list that I've made for the issues in PVP. I agree that the ticketing system is there for a reason, but when it is not gaining appropriate responses for months after repeated tries by multiple users, the forum is the only hope we have. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/115754/feedback-current-state-of-pvp-campaign-updated-to-1-2-4#latest
    Edited by Aeradon on July 1, 2014 1:15PM
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  • Phantax
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    Coggage wrote: »
    ... form of entertainment it's ultimately of no real significance.

    Someone is so going to get ganked by the fan-boys...rofl

    ;)

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  • Ser Lobo
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    Aeradon wrote: »
    @ruze84b14_ESO‌ Here is a list that I've made for the issues in PVP. I agree that the ticketing system is there for a reason, but when it is not gaining appropriate responses for months after repeated tries by multiple users, the forum is the only hope we have. http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/115754/feedback-current-state-of-pvp-campaign-updated-to-1-2-4#latest

    As long as those issues have been ticketed, there's nothing wrong with discussing them on the forums.

    The error in thought comes from thinking developers have any interaction with these forums. That somehow, posting something on a forum is closer to getting developer eyes on it.

    A developer would have to literally dig through over 4,200 posts in order to obtain even small nuggets of information that are worth more than 'hey, customers are unhappy'. This of course is a community managers job, that and send information back down from developers to us, and even then it's a very slow and imperfect system.

    This is why I feel, with the level of exaggeration and amount of pure bull that is spewed by angry customers here, that the vast majority of complaint posts could be ignored outright as nothing more than trolling.

    When a man walks into your grocery store, screaming and knocking stuff off the shelves and yelling at other customers, he *may* have had a point that his milk was bad and could have gotten a refund, but instead he gets forcibly removed from the store and barred from ever returning. There is a right way, and a wrong way, to express ourselves in this world.
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    He'd rank ESO:TU (in it's current state) a 4.8 out of 5, loving the game almost entirely.

    This is an multiplayer game. I should be able to log in, join a dungeon, join a battleground, queue for a dolmen or world boss or delve, teleport in, play for 20 minutes, and not worry about getting kicked, failing to join, having perfect voice coms, or being unable to complete content because someone's lagging behind. Group Finder and matchmaking is broken. Take a note from Destiny and build a system that allows from drop-in/drop-out functionality and quick play.
  • Ser Lobo
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    Phantax wrote: »
    Coggage wrote: »
    ... form of entertainment it's ultimately of no real significance.

    Someone is so going to get ganked by the fan-boys...rofl

    ;)

    He's right, though. It's a hobby, and has utterly no real significance to anything in life. It's for personal enjoyment and entertainment alone. Like sports, or reading fiction, etc.

    I can understand a developer taking the game serious. That hobby is also his lifeblood. But a gamer? That's just laughable.
    Ruze Aulus. Mayor of Dhalmora. Archer, hunter, assassin. Nightblade.
    Gral. Mountain Terror. Barbarian, marauder, murderer. Nightblade.
    Na'Djin. Knight-Blade. Knight, vanguard, defender. Nightblade.

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    Ruze is a veteran of the PC Beta, lived through the year one drought, survived the buy-to-play conversion, and has stepped foot in the hells known as Craglorn. He mained a nightlbade when nightblades weren't good, and has never worn a robe. He converted from PC during the console betas, and hasn't regretted it a moment since.

    He'd rank ESO:TU (in it's current state) a 4.8 out of 5, loving the game almost entirely.

    This is an multiplayer game. I should be able to log in, join a dungeon, join a battleground, queue for a dolmen or world boss or delve, teleport in, play for 20 minutes, and not worry about getting kicked, failing to join, having perfect voice coms, or being unable to complete content because someone's lagging behind. Group Finder and matchmaking is broken. Take a note from Destiny and build a system that allows from drop-in/drop-out functionality and quick play.
  • Hilgara
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    Misery loves company and nothing validates your argument like summoning support from people with the same issue, which is why they come to the general forum. Just look at the "vet content too difficult" threads. By their nature they draw people who think vet content is too difficult and if you were to view the contributors on that one thread as representative of the whole player base then they would be hard to disagree with. But they aren't. its the same with the FPS drops. They attract a lot of people who have FPS drops and looking at the thread you would think its a game wide problem but its not. 301 errors was another in fact you cant pick any niche complaint and make it look like a game wide issue by garnering support for the same issue on the general forms because you will cherry pick people from a much wider audience to support your view.
    Edited by Hilgara on July 1, 2014 1:43PM
  • Aeradon
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    Phantax wrote: »
    Coggage wrote: »
    ... form of entertainment it's ultimately of no real significance.

    Someone is so going to get ganked by the fan-boys...rofl

    ;)

    He's right, though. It's a hobby, and has utterly no real significance to anything in life. It's for personal enjoyment and entertainment alone. Like sports, or reading fiction, etc.

    I can understand a developer taking the game serious. That hobby is also his lifeblood. But a gamer? That's just laughable.
    So does anything in life not having any real significance when one is dead. We live in this world to enjoy ourselves. We work for the entertainment we wish to obtain, of which we call a better life.

    I don't disagree with him. I just feel that we work for this piece of entertainment. It doesn't perform as good as it should be; some will move on to another piece and work for it, some will make remarks and hope the industry improves for the better of others and the future.

    The gaming/entertainment industry would not grow to this size if nobody is ever serious about it. Nor is it gonna improve when nobody cares to leave a comment.
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  • kaosodin
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    With all the mmo that came befor them...... and the fact thay one of the dudes involved was from DAOC.

    They should be doing better..... this is getting a bit sad......

    Back to DAOC until they fix some basics..... im not having fun

    And furthermore.....WTF is with all the wow type button mashing pvp.....
    No positional attacks.... no chain attacks...not worth it....pvp is absolutely useless.
  • Ser Lobo
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    Aeradon wrote: »
    Phantax wrote: »
    Coggage wrote: »
    ... form of entertainment it's ultimately of no real significance.

    Someone is so going to get ganked by the fan-boys...rofl

    ;)

    He's right, though. It's a hobby, and has utterly no real significance to anything in life. It's for personal enjoyment and entertainment alone. Like sports, or reading fiction, etc.

    I can understand a developer taking the game serious. That hobby is also his lifeblood. But a gamer? That's just laughable.
    So does anything in life not having any real significance when one is dead. We live in this world to enjoy ourselves. We work for the entertainment we wish to obtain, of which we call a better life.

    I don't disagree with him. I just feel that we work for this piece of entertainment. It doesn't perform as good as it should be; some will move on to another piece and work for it, some will make remarks and hope the industry improves for the better of others and the future.

    The gaming/entertainment industry would not grow to this size if nobody is ever serious about it. Nor is it gonna improve when nobody cares to leave a comment.

    If any entertainment isn't entertaining you like you want, then it's definitely the smarter choice to move on.

    Don't put your heart into someone else's game. They close down on you, they change direction, they change scope.

    I've been loving and playing MMO's for more than a decade, and used to put a lot of myself into these games. And then I started seeing worlds I'd enjoyed for so long close up and disappear, and I had absolutely no say in it.

    It's almost like that first divorce, when you realize that relationships can be temporary and fickle. You harden up a little bit and are more prepared for the next one to fold.

    I don't recommend any player care so much about entertainment. But that's spoken from personal experience, and I doubt many, if any, can take that advice until it happens to them personally.

    I know if they closed ESO tomorrow, or went free-to-play, or decided to go console only, or decided to change the graphics, or class system, etc, etc? I would simply move on.

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    He'd rank ESO:TU (in it's current state) a 4.8 out of 5, loving the game almost entirely.

    This is an multiplayer game. I should be able to log in, join a dungeon, join a battleground, queue for a dolmen or world boss or delve, teleport in, play for 20 minutes, and not worry about getting kicked, failing to join, having perfect voice coms, or being unable to complete content because someone's lagging behind. Group Finder and matchmaking is broken. Take a note from Destiny and build a system that allows from drop-in/drop-out functionality and quick play.
  • zoetaz1616
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    I've always been one to give ZOS the benefit of the doubt and time to correct issues. This last patch, however, made the game unplayable for me. I was time glitching, locking up, skills wouldn't work, etc. Every patch brings as many new problems as it fixes. I'm getting tired of this.
  • Fairydragon3
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    Aeradon wrote: »
    Phantax wrote: »
    Coggage wrote: »
    ... form of entertainment it's ultimately of no real significance.

    Someone is so going to get ganked by the fan-boys...rofl

    ;)

    He's right, though. It's a hobby, and has utterly no real significance to anything in life. It's for personal enjoyment and entertainment alone. Like sports, or reading fiction, etc.

    I can understand a developer taking the game serious. That hobby is also his lifeblood. But a gamer? That's just laughable.
    So does anything in life not having any real significance when one is dead. We live in this world to enjoy ourselves. We work for the entertainment we wish to obtain, of which we call a better life.

    I don't disagree with him. I just feel that we work for this piece of entertainment. It doesn't perform as good as it should be; some will move on to another piece and work for it, some will make remarks and hope the industry improves for the better of others and the future.

    The gaming/entertainment industry would not grow to this size if nobody is ever serious about it. Nor is it gonna improve when nobody cares to leave a comment.

    I think what he meant to say was, these are first world problems
  • GreySix
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    Coggage wrote: »
    It's a game - a frivolous way to pass the time - meaning that like any other form of entertainment it's ultimately of no real significance. It pleases me to spend time playing it for the entertainment value. Like any other pastime, if it stops entertaining me I'll stop playing.
    That's the best description I've seen to date. Bravo!
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  • Vis
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    I can share from personal experience that I have reported several players from everything included speed hacking and one shotting with a sword. It is difficult to assess whether action has ever been taken on any reports, but I do know most of the exploiters continue to run free today. One even contacted me to gloat that no action was ever taken against him for his speed hacking in pvp.
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  • GreySix
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    Vis wrote: »
    I can share from personal experience that I have reported several players from everything included speed hacking and one shotting with a sword. It is difficult to assess whether action has ever been taken on any reports, but I do know most of the exploiters continue to run free today. One even contacted me to gloat that no action was ever taken against him for his speed hacking in pvp.

    Wow, that sucks.
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  • Vis
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    GreySix wrote: »
    Vis wrote: »
    I can share from personal experience that I have reported several players from everything included speed hacking and one shotting with a sword. It is difficult to assess whether action has ever been taken on any reports, but I do know most of the exploiters continue to run free today. One even contacted me to gloat that no action was ever taken against him for his speed hacking in pvp.

    Wow, that sucks.

    It was my fault for telling him my group of 4 had all reported him after seeing him use it for the third time.
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