Every complaint has it's value for Zen. If one person writes on the forums, many others are feeling/thinking the same. This is why they have forum, support and /bug. They know not everyone will contact so they have to view each problem as more than a single person having problem. Same goes for compliments,,,

I expected a lot more for my money. I said this before and I'll say it again.

"The people who paid for this game are the ones paying for the learning curve it takes Zenimax to catch up with a very very large MMO market. It's almost as they had no clue what is the norm in the MMO world on planet Earth!"

I don't think the Die hard fans can save a game that is doomed from the start, especially with the amount of games that debut each year. There will always be games that come out that picked up where others didn't and provide a great product, ESO has not passed BETA from my experiences.

You would think that its a given for MMO's to have certain things right from the start.

The user interface sucks. How do you tell if your dotted or buffed? Absolutely stupid. Why do i have 20 addons for what should be default items in a video game? And they go outdated with each patch, as soon as these people quit these addons are history! FAIL

The lack of a real searching tool in the guild stores is an EPIC FAIL. Come on 5 guild stores and you can't even type a name to search on a default browser? WTH were you developers thinking?
They were thinking that we would sit there for hours going through page after page looking to see who was the cheapest person selling Iron Ignots!!

No open world PVP is FAIL. When I play PVP i want to be in fights not on a horse traveling more than actual fighting, only to lag out 90% of the time. PVP is ULTIMATE EPIC FAILURE! They could have done much better with 50% less map. There should be a open world PVP server, how cool would it be to invade Daggerfall or another city, a lot cooler than running your horse across the map to enter a lag infested battle to only NOT see yourself die because of the lag.

Lack of Bank space is the MOST ULTIMATE EPIC FAILURE EVAH! I'm the casual pack rat who saves everything and picks up everything. Again they weren't thinking. Give ya over 100 ingredients for just provisioning and do they even give ya 100 bank spots? Again as if they had no clue what is expected from the consumers. You can have 8 characters in the game, i currently have two i play and the other 6 are bank mules because the storage system in this game is to expensive. Spending 40k on 10 bank spaces or bag spaces is again the MOST ULTIMATE EPIC FAILURE EVAH!

I'm convinced that these people never played any current MMO's in the last 10 years. As a consumer i expect that new products be better than competitors and give us what they couldn't, again it seem they are clueless to certain standards of us consumers. I can go on and complain about what i prefer, but i know that a lot share my likes and dislikes about the game. Currently playing until my sub runs out.

Blackwidow wrote: »

Your responses are, either you actually agreeing with the item on the list, or it is personal preferences you disagree with, but you understand some people want it that way.

Either way, why is that not a valid reason to bring up issues about ESO?

In way crazy way is that complaining just to complain?

Well, it's not like you're being forced to play this game that has a laundry list of defects. (In your opinion)

For the record, I agreed with exactly six of your gripes. The rest are either things you call problems, but I've yet to run into them, or personal taste issues.

You have this long list of complaints, but offer no solutions, so you're just complaining based on personal dislikes. THAT is what makes your post "complaining to be complaining".

Haewk wrote: »

So you don't experience those issues and therefore they do not exist? Don't experience broken quests therefore they do not exist. Don't experience lag therefore it does not exist.

Never said any of that. This statement is you putting words into my mouth, or assuming that is what I meant. You are wrong.

Haewk wrote: »

You don't experience lag? Really? You don't get enemies dropping dead before you even get an animation?

Nope.

Haewk wrote: »

You have never accidentally triggered an ultimate when you looted and pressed "R" to loot all but the loot box never opened and you popped the ultimate instead?

Nope.

Haewk wrote: »

Never experienced blocking being out of sync with enemy animations?

Nope.

Haewk wrote: »

I have a broken quest currently that I check on from time to time. Broken since I picked it up about a week or so ago. Abandoned several times. Still broken.

The newest bug I have is that my ESC key stops working. Sometimes /reloadui fixes it, sometimes not. I do have occasional crashes as well.

I don't experience these bugs. I'm not saying they don't exist, for surely some people are suffering from them. However....it's not happening to EVERYONE, so the problem is likely(not certainly, but LIKELY) on your end.

Haewk wrote: »

You have a bank and inventory where you can easily store 100+ items on each with no way to categorize?

Nope. But I -have- learned to work around the limitations of the bank and backpack interface.

Haewk wrote: »

Most of the stuff you posted is of the form "I don't experience it so therefore it doesn't exist or is a personal issue". Really? Its not all about just you. This is not a game made for just you.

Again, never did I say any of that, and this is just you putting those words into my mouth, so to speak.

Haewk wrote: »

Most of the stuff you posted is of the form "I don't experience it so therefore it doesn't exist or is a personal issue".

That is the crux of the argument for those who oppose and/or attack folks who bring up issues with ESO, though usually with a dash of "L2P" or "Deal with it!" thrown in for good measure.

Ironically, many of the hard-line defenders of all things ESO will then go on to claim that if those pointing out shortcomings in the game just brought up "valid" issues, they'd have no problem with them.

I hate to admit it but I too spend more time on these forums then I do playing ESO. I can make valid reasons heard 1000 times before as to why, from that it still feels like Beta, to the classes don't feel right, to the empty landscapes, with no resources because all the bots taken them, to the broken quests, the stupidly hard bosses even when much over-levelled, to the in game community[which I hate to admit leaves a lot to be desired] and going on to the general feeling of a shoddy overall product. Hell, there are many reasons, but I think the most telling for me is this. ZOS themselves, as a company with an MMO are, as it stands, too amateur to effectively make this game to the vision it was set to be. The company needs better devs and better CS and better forums mods, and better forums and more in game GMs. Heck, better higher quality everything.

So that's why I don't really play more than once or 2 times a week. I been playing more lotro than this, of late, and I have a lifetime sub for that which essentially means I can leave that for months on end. I pay a sub monthly for this, and yet this game does not excite me as it should do. Heck. I guess what I am saying here is that ZOS need's to learn how to be a "good" MMO games company, and make this game feel like it is actually going a specific way, and feels solid and worthwhile for the hours playing, as right now it feels shallow, and half baked.

I can only hope that ZOS get better, and in the process this game too.

Yes, this game still has a lot of work that needs doing to improve it. There will never be a bug free game. But really, it isn't anywhere near as bad as people are making out. And again, i see comments regarding "f2p' pop up in a sook thread. Sometimes i wonder whether all this bashing and crying is just some people's way of hoping it will become a f2p game? If so, then that's just idiotic! Most f2p games suck and often end up costing you more money by tempting players to buy from their in-game store, so i don't see WHY so many people are opting for this to become a f2p game. I am not suggesting the OP is trying to do this, but i am just saying that in general from what i have read and heard, it just seems like that to me that a great majority of people seem to think that the harder they cry and whine, the sooner it will become a f2p game.

I like many games and also dislike many games but i don't jump on the forums and sook and cry and whine about it. If i don't like a game or am not happy about it, i either quit, and walk away quietly with no fuss. But if i like the game and feel i would like to see certain things different, i open FEEDBACK and offer some as a suggestion. Who knows, they may just listen. /shrug

Anyway, my two cents worth.

I have no choice but to agree with this.

I play Rift, and every day there is a fresh new challenge awaiting me. For example, one day I could be setting out to seal some rifts in Silverwood because defenders at Argent Glade can't defend against 6 invasions standing on top of each other, day #2 Purging of Gloamwood Pines could pop and Rift Crashers send me to be a "Cleanup Duty" person, Day #3 I might need to join a Greenscale's Blight raid and help out with the butchering (since no one wants to butcher anyone). And the best part? I have no problems unless there is a severe thunderstorm outside (and that's when latency goes through the roof).

But with ESO, I for one have not gotten my rare fish achievement in Khenarthi's Roost (which is a bug that must be fixed, for more info see Customer Support forum thread "Bugs to Be Fixed (As of 6/28/2014 11:25 A.M.)"). I also don't know what happened to Silent Village, and I also see that levels in Entila's Folly don't match up (Come on, you make the boss level 8 when the mobs are level 11? Now that's just wrong). And that's just what I saw, I bet if I paid 50 gold to hear one issue that players are having, and I had 10,000 gold, i'd be bankrupt within 45 minutes.

I also have no choice but to agree with the Cyrodiil FPS issue, but oddly enough, it only becomes an issue if both of the following conditions are met (and only both):

1. Torrential rain or a thunderstorm (severe or non-severe) is occurring outside.
2. I am in Cyrodiil and am actively participating (i.e. controlling a siege engine while attacking a keep, Elder Scroll bearer, attacking other players (or being swarmed by enemy players)).

But yeah, if you paid 50 gold to hear one issue, if you had 10,000 gold, you'd be bankrupt within 45 minutes, I guarantee it.

But I'm gonna be patient with ZeniMax. Come on, guys. It only released 3 months ago, of course there will be issues. Rift likely had the same problems as ZeniMax does now when their servers were 3 months old.

Adryssa_Joneley wrote: »

And again, i see comments regarding "f2p' pop up in a sook thread. Sometimes i wonder whether all this bashing and crying is just some people's way of hoping it will become a f2p game?

From our own perspective, those who are defending ESO as-is and blasting everyone bringing up its shortcomings are doing everything in their power to pave the way to F2P for this game.

We just want to see at least some of the many critical shortcomings in ESO fixed, so folks remain subscribed, others re-subscribe, and it wins new subscribers for a long time to come. Ignoring problems never makes them go away.

ExiledKhallisi wrote: »

Game breaking? No. There are bugs but they don't break the game lol. I play the weakest class in the game and do just fine in pve vr6-10. Adapt.

This is a learn to adapt issue.

As for the lag in cyrodil..stop playing on wabbajack its an overpopulated zerg fest.

Not able to complete a quest is not game breaking? Huh? O.o The quest is broken and not able to finish it, thats game breaking!

Talketzanto wrote: »

People always say they are leaving because the games broke.....whats broke? what broken game mechanic is really bothering you and stopping you from having fun?

There's nothing.....I think people just complain just to complain about pointless things...

Do you actually play the game? If you did then you would know the answer to your question.

Blade_07 wrote: »

Talketzanto wrote: »

People always say they are leaving because the games broke.....whats broke? what broken game mechanic is really bothering you and stopping you from having fun?

There's nothing.....I think people just complain just to complain about pointless things...

Do you actually play the game? If you did then you would know the answer to your question.

Yeah, have to admit I think his comment was a little ill-thought-out. we still have some broken quests, hell pretty much all of PvP is unplayable due to the FPS thing (the PvP guys are going nuts over it) Not to mention the whole grouping/solo endgame thing need a massive re-vamp.
For everything that is great about this game, there are a large number of things that need attention !

"Bah, I need attention, read my complaints!"

There, fixed your title

Phantax wrote: »

GreySix wrote: »

We just want to see at least some of the many critical shortcomings in ESO fixed, so folks remain subscribed, others re-subscribe, and it wins new subscribers for a long time to come. Ignoring problems never makes them go away.

Agreed, most of who complain just want to see the game succeed and get better. Yes, of course there are those who just want to flame and derail threads. But for the bigger part, we want this game to be a success, maybe even #1

Agreed! I would LOVE to see this game succeed & I'm one that expresses my thoughts about the flaws in the game. I hope that the issues that effect not only me but many others would be fixed properly with out adding new bugs.

They pushed this game out like a HUGE nasty smelling fart and expect use to pay them a monthly fee for this crap. I admit there are many things about this game that I love & believe the game has good potential but they NEED to do a much better job at addressing serious issues. The constant nerf this & nerf that & add new bugs with their patches dose not install a sense of hope & or confidence for me and many others!

arena25 wrote: »

<Gets in his formal tone of voice>

I do not want to accuse anyone of anything, but I must ask, how many times must I repeat myself? This game is only 3 months old...it is going to have issues, just like any other new game. In fact, I ask you to do the following...go to any other game (Be it World of Warcraft, Rift, Star Wars: The Old Republic, whatever) and for those who played World of Warcraft, Rift, et cetera, et cetera, in the first 3 or so months, ask them the following question: What issues did the game have? I bet you 90% of those you ask will tell you issues that are quite similar to the issues Elder Scrolls Online has right now.

When you are done, you will come to realize the following truth: New games, regardless of size of game, the size of the developer base making said game, and the number of players playing said game, will have many issues, but it will get better later down the line.

Thank you for your understanding and patience.

Sincerely,

An Elder Scrolls Online player

*clears throat and responds in formal voice*

I don't know how many times I must reply to this frequent statement. I can only yet again repeat what I have said before.

Lodestar wrote: »

It is amazing to see how many people quote this verbatim, without even thinking it through.

No game is bug free, no. But time and again, context is ignored, to make a blanket defence. The context that is, software developers, are run by money people, and like any other corporation today, cut expenditure and anything else they can, including testing. And it is getting more prevalent in each industry.

Only for some reason, software, has the same level of accountability, as banking, finance and politics. The money people want the money from the big new media, but, they don't want to offer the quality. And it is not just MMO's. In last 10 years, I have seen what I call "release now, patch later". And the shortfalls are becoming increasingly apparent across the board. MMOs are included, yet let off the hook rather bizzarely, simply for being MMOs.

Yes, many MMOs launch incomplete with bugs, and warts. Which is exactly why, when having seen the regular fallout from this, it makes no sense to follow suit in the same way, or worse, try press your luck even more. The only people who want this are the investors. I really do not feel sorry for them, when an MMO they put money in, gets slammed, because the devs rushed it to give them what they wanted, over their customers.

Nor, am I surprised when for the nth time the fallout happens under exactly the same circumstances. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing, and expecting a different result. It is no longer a defence to me, as it is evidence for the prosecution. If it happens so often, and you know it will likely happen again if you do it, the why do it?

I don't really feel sorry for the investors when people complain about incomplete MMOs. And they are the people your really defending. I don't think they need defending.

Mablung wrote: »

jimfopao2 wrote: »

What clown is making the decisions for this game ? If I made this many bad calls at work I would not have a job.

Paul Sage.

Paul sage is actually a very talented individual and one of the People who stood on the front of MMO development in 1999 2000. With that said there are serious issues with the implementation of things. A decision to launch a game with no end game and try to cover it up by adding 12 VR levels to slow people progression until they could get it in was Poor. then to launch End game with very little testing, a complete and toatl failure on Beta to notice the Melee vs magica builds. and for the life of me i cant figure out why the launched the game with an Armor system that was broken. 10% mitigation between light armor and heavy was extremely stupid . the decisions to move the game in this direction fell on sages shoulders i would imagine but the rest of the screw ups fall on the Coders and programmers.