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Bah...I'm Giving Up !

  • Blackwidow
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    @‌ExiledKhallisi
    First, thanks for taking the time to go over every point. I see you agree with most.

    I just want to go over a few comments you made.

    [*] Lack of end game Dont rush content in this NEW game

    [*] 15 minute long 'raids' Game is still new. Dont get mad you rushed content.

    I didn't rush anything. I read every book. Listened to every quest. Explored every inch of the world. I didn't rush anything.

    It's not my fault the game levels us too fast to keep up with their content.

    Also, please don't judge others for how they play, each person has their own style.
    [*] Inventory GUI is horrible Same as every other ES game

    This one is exceptionally bad. It is the only AAA MMO that did not give each character it's own bank space. That makes a huge difference.

    Morrowwind-Skyrim has unlimited storage, just FYI.
    [*] Rapid Gear Decay.Lol...dtop dieing

    I wish it was from dieing.
    [*] megaserver/phasing/sharding system better than having ghost servers

    We have a mega ghost server. :)
    [*] Lack of an real open worldIn other more open MMO's you still are subjected to your lvl range.

    I would rather have an open world and take my chances with the level difference then enclosed in a fake cage.
    [*] not seeing enemy players due to them not loaded on your screenStop playing on Wabbalag

    You keep saying this. :)

    What is Wabbalag?
    [*] No underwater swimmingWould be pointless.

    I could not disagree more. TES is all about exploration. That includes the water.

    This is the first TES with no underwater swimming.
    [*] No housingRoad to come, not a big issue. jsut another time sink.

    At least 2 years away, if ever. It is much more than a time sink to a lot of us. :)
    [*] No options for floating namesTheres a mod for it.

    I really don't think so.

    Link?
    [*] No way to preview gear on your character before actually equipping it.Google is awesome

    Google is not in game.

    Thank you again for your input.

    Have a nice day. :)
    Edited by Blackwidow on June 29, 2014 11:59PM
  • circilion
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    haha

    awesome. Not many 5stars that aren't white knights.
    >:)
  • Paladin_echo1
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    It seems like every single mmo I've played is plagued with start up issues. Never played a game that hasn't had such horrible start up issues. Either classes are unbalanced or critical bugs/exploits have made it into the actual game (can't say for certain about content, as I've not had time to do everything thanks to real life stuff). I honestly always have low/no hopes for any company when they first start a game, I just give them a few months to change my mind. So far the wife and I have been okay with playing this, but we have six month subs and will see what happens in that time frame. Wish there was a way to go after the dev companies in general and demand they stop feeding us faulty games from the start. Zenimax isn't unique in having problems in starting up. If anything, they might be taking a few notes from other companies by thinking that they can pull this crap at the start and see how long they can get away with it before significant changes can be made. Dev companies in general need to stop giving us terrible games at the start, as it's become the new norm for any mmo nowadays :/
  • Stratti
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    Despair9 wrote: »
    Phantax wrote: »
    I'm not normally a quitter, but I have to admit that thought is bouncing round in my head. When Blizzard, Trion, CCP said they were going to fix things, I never found myself doubting that. I don't have that confidence in Zenimax !
    Honestly... I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Like I said I'm not ready to quit yet. I'd still consider renewing my sub (maybe reduced from a 90 day to a 30 day though) Or maybe it's just time to take a break?

    Ah well, that's my thoughts thrown out there. (feel free to Rage, Flame or Comment)

    Seems like the less employees game has, the better job it does lol..

    Trion - 200 employees
    Zenimax Online - 250 employees
    Blizzard Entertainment - 4700 employees

    I'll agree with you only about Trion.

    Blizzard and I go way back, and I for one know very well WoW is far from being a polished game, never was and never will be. (Looking at you bugged Wrath quests, even though it's been 5 years since then)
    If I take out their horrible graphics art, I can begin with their PvP, it's one of the worst in the whole genre, they promised fixing and balancing it for 10 years straight (Yep empty promises, the last expansion had worst balance since the vanilla days).
    But fine if I take PvP out of that game as well, all we have left is PvE and that is only one thing - Raids.
    Exploration is non-existent, quest and profession system is crappy at best. There are only 2 things Blizzard does well Marketing and Raid System, all other things are average or beyond average.

    ESO might not be all I wanted it to be, most of the time I feel like there are many things still missing from the game. But I can't get past the fact how rich detailed worlds are, they feel incredibly alive and immersive, something I never experienced in any other MMO..

    I think people thought they would get whole Tamriel since Day 1, I think they don't understand it takes 10 Skyrim games to get that done, it's that huge. Perhaps in the future we will get all that, as for now I'm very happy which direction this game is heading too.

    I'm coming to the realisation that most people complaining don't really know what they were talking about when they even discuss teso and it's set up.

    I'm an old veteran from vanilla and was a hardcore raider for a long year . I will repeat what people used to reply to these threads.

    Have you completed cadwell journal ,
    Have you completed all the solo Dungeouns
    Have you completed all public Dungeouns
    Have you cleared world bosses and dolmens
    Have you completed vet Dungeouns
    Have you done a trial or experienced that
    Have you grouped in large scale PvP
    Have you maxed out your guilds so that you have access to a few hundred online guildies

    Until you have done all of these than you haven't experienced the game. The game begins at v1 not v12. Don't cry about being unable to skip all the content to trials this isn't wow

    Now for WoW these are your choices
    Boring faceroll quests that 9 yr olds can solo
    Faceroll Dungeouns that you can sleep through
    To level cap
    Grind honor to get your gear grind arena to improve it
    Spam LFR to faceroll raids ina toxic environment to gear up
    Hit up flex instead if you can in a toxic environment
    Join a raid team - do that over and over
    Join a heroic team - maybe hit upper levels of gear .

    That's a grind rest - but very different we need to stop with the blizzard mentality
  • circilion
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    My main issue with the game is that they still have not fixed the Mac Memory Bleed bug. Other than that I enjoy everything else about it. Although I am just breaking into Vet content. I have heard that it gets ludicrous around V6
    >:)
  • Akhratos
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    Stratti wrote: »
    Despair9 wrote: »
    Phantax wrote: »
    I'm not normally a quitter, but I have to admit that thought is bouncing round in my head. When Blizzard, Trion, CCP said they were going to fix things, I never found myself doubting that. I don't have that confidence in Zenimax !
    Honestly... I don't see a light at the end of the tunnel. Like I said I'm not ready to quit yet. I'd still consider renewing my sub (maybe reduced from a 90 day to a 30 day though) Or maybe it's just time to take a break?

    Ah well, that's my thoughts thrown out there. (feel free to Rage, Flame or Comment)

    Seems like the less employees game has, the better job it does lol..

    Trion - 200 employees
    Zenimax Online - 250 employees
    Blizzard Entertainment - 4700 employees

    I'll agree with you only about Trion.

    Blizzard and I go way back, and I for one know very well WoW is far from being a polished game, never was and never will be. (Looking at you bugged Wrath quests, even though it's been 5 years since then)
    If I take out their horrible graphics art, I can begin with their PvP, it's one of the worst in the whole genre, they promised fixing and balancing it for 10 years straight (Yep empty promises, the last expansion had worst balance since the vanilla days).
    But fine if I take PvP out of that game as well, all we have left is PvE and that is only one thing - Raids.
    Exploration is non-existent, quest and profession system is crappy at best. There are only 2 things Blizzard does well Marketing and Raid System, all other things are average or beyond average.

    ESO might not be all I wanted it to be, most of the time I feel like there are many things still missing from the game. But I can't get past the fact how rich detailed worlds are, they feel incredibly alive and immersive, something I never experienced in any other MMO..

    I think people thought they would get whole Tamriel since Day 1, I think they don't understand it takes 10 Skyrim games to get that done, it's that huge. Perhaps in the future we will get all that, as for now I'm very happy which direction this game is heading too.

    I'm coming to the realisation that most people complaining don't really know what they were talking about when they even discuss teso and it's set up.

    I'm an old veteran from vanilla and was a hardcore raider for a long year . I will repeat what people used to reply to these threads.

    Have you completed cadwell journal ,
    Have you completed all the solo Dungeouns
    Have you completed all public Dungeouns
    Have you cleared world bosses and dolmens
    Have you completed vet Dungeouns
    Have you done a trial or experienced that
    Have you grouped in large scale PvP
    Have you maxed out your guilds so that you have access to a few hundred online guildies

    Until you have done all of these than you haven't experienced the game. The game begins at v1 not v12. Don't cry about being unable to skip all the content to trials this isn't wow

    Now for WoW these are your choices
    Boring faceroll quests that 9 yr olds can solo
    Faceroll Dungeouns that you can sleep through
    To level cap
    Grind honor to get your gear grind arena to improve it
    Spam LFR to faceroll raids ina toxic environment to gear up
    Hit up flex instead if you can in a toxic environment
    Join a raid team - do that over and over
    Join a heroic team - maybe hit upper levels of gear .

    That's a grind rest - but very different we need to stop with the blizzard mentality

    I made all those and still had time to level a few alts to lower VRs.

    Seriously, if you like to look at your character for hours and take photos of him instead of playing thats not my problem.

    I think you are the one lacking the experience to judge the whole eso content if you talk about faceroll dungeons. Trials are a tank and spank faceroll that a slightly experienced group can finish in under 30 minutes. Are you sure you wanna play comparisons?

    Maybe the so hard and great difficulty degree implemented by zos you are talking about is the vr1-10 trash mobs ignoring 95% of your armor or having no apparent armor values themselves since the mess the devs did back in the Craglorn patch.
  • bg22
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    bc this games broken dude...

    class balance is a dream that the devs do not wish to aquire.

    they wanted to name this game Harry Potter and the Book of Scrolls... But they feared that this would not get the money of ppl who would rather watch 300.
  • kijima
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    I see plenty in Cyrodiil atm since the campaing reset. Plenty of PvE'ers in PvP land currently trying to get their campaign rank up, so that's one reason it's a little quiet.

    As for the lower level VR zones, these seem to be what I'd call busy as well. You may have to wait for the masses of PvE'ers to rank up before places like Craglorn gets busy again.
    Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...
  • Loco_Mofo
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    Bummer, another 5 star poster feeling the burn.
  • Malvokian
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    Phantax wrote: »
    I'm not normally a quitter

    What is wrong with quitting a game you are not enjoying? Are you obligated to play this game out of some bizarre sense of loyalty? You are a $ to Zenimax.

    Go play something you will enjoy.
  • Mablung
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    circilion wrote: »
    My main issue with the game is that they still have not fixed the Mac Memory Bleed bug. Other than that I enjoy everything else about it. Although I am just breaking into Vet content. I have heard that it gets ludicrous around V6

    There is a fix for the Mac Memory Bleed Bug. It is called PC. :D
  • GreySix
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    Mablung wrote: »
    circilion wrote: »
    My main issue with the game is that they still have not fixed the Mac Memory Bleed bug. Other than that I enjoy everything else about it. Although I am just breaking into Vet content. I have heard that it gets ludicrous around V6

    There is a fix for the Mac Memory Bleed Bug. It is called PC. :D

    lol

    Ironically, the game runs longer without crashing on the Mac OS side of my Mac Pro than on the Windows 7 side. Then again, it's a dual-processor system, and ESO isn't friendly to dual-processors.
    Crotchety Old Man Guild

    "Hey you, get off my lawn!"
  • Mablung
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    GreySix wrote: »
    Mablung wrote: »
    circilion wrote: »
    My main issue with the game is that they still have not fixed the Mac Memory Bleed bug. Other than that I enjoy everything else about it. Although I am just breaking into Vet content. I have heard that it gets ludicrous around V6

    There is a fix for the Mac Memory Bleed Bug. It is called PC. :D

    lol

    Ironically, the game runs longer without crashing on the Mac OS side of my Mac Pro than on the Windows 7 side. Then again, it's a dual-processor system, and ESO isn't friendly to dual-processors.

    I have an 8 core processor for my Windows 7 PC and never had an issue until I hit Veteran Rank 1. All of a sudden I would CTD every 10 mins or so with the report window poping up for TESO. This went on for a month and then suddenly disappeared. I have not had any CTDs since.

    I don't remember if there was a patch just as I hit Vet ranks that initiated it and then a patch afterwards that "fixed" it but let's just say that after about the 20th time, the space you fill in describing the problem got a little more interesting.
  • GreySix
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    Mablung wrote: »
    I have an 8 core processor ...
    Yeah, I wrote dual-processor, not dual-core.

    My Mac Pro has two eight-core processors.
    Crotchety Old Man Guild

    "Hey you, get off my lawn!"
  • Mablung
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    GreySix wrote: »
    Mablung wrote: »
    I have an 8 core processor ...
    Yeah, I wrote dual-processor, not dual-core.

    My Mac Pro has two eight-core processors.

    Reading sometimes fails me.
  • GreySix
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    Mablung wrote: »
    GreySix wrote: »
    Mablung wrote: »
    I have an 8 core processor ...
    Yeah, I wrote dual-processor, not dual-core.

    My Mac Pro has two eight-core processors.

    Reading sometimes fails me.

    No worries ... happens to the best of us. :)
    Crotchety Old Man Guild

    "Hey you, get off my lawn!"
  • MercyKilling
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    Blackwidow wrote: »

    Yeah, I'm sure it's just the adapt thing you mentioned. What else could it be?
    • The power gap between levels in Cyrodiil.
      Not everyone plays the game for PvP
    • Lack of end game
      Typically, MMO's never really "end".
    • lack of a real auction house.
      While I agree with the sentiment, it's not a game breaking thing.
    • Near empty PvP / The pvp is the most badly designed pvp i have ever played.
      In EVER single MMORPG this statement is made on the game's forums by someone. When will people learn(this includes game developers) that PvP is not meant for RPG's. Keep it in the FPS and RTS and MOBA's.
    • Lack of feedback from devs
      Not sure how much skooma you've been doing, but I've seen plenty of feedback.
    • impossible to find any roleplay because of the way the phasing system works
      Again, not sure what game you've been playing. I've stumbled across several open world encounters.
    • Bugs/crashes
      The only time I came across bugs in this game was during closed beta stress tests and shortly after launch. The game has to date....never crashed for me. I'd look at the mods you're running or perhaps software conflicts rather than blame the game.
    • class balance is utter crap.
      If all classes should perform the same...why make more than one?
    • 5 guilds system sucks
      This I do agree with. I'm not much of a guild person though, to be honest.
    • Inventory GUI is horrible
      I have no problems with it. This is more likely a personal taste issue than a game design flaw.
    • being forced into solo play quests
      Another thing I agree with. Rather than force solo play -in any form-....it should always be an option in an MMO.
    • No way of changing skill morphs without a full respec. Also, crazy respec cost.
      Another thing I agree with. We should be able to respec as far back as we want to, instead of being forced to start all over from the beginning.
    • 15 minute long 'raids'
      Another personal taste issue. Plenty of other games have "raids" that last longer than fifteen minutes. Just because -you- have ADD doesn't make this a game flaw.
    • Alchemy... just all of it... the fact that only 3 potions are of any real benefit, the fact that 2 completely different potions have the same name just because their 1st effect on the list is the same, the small amount of reagents...
      Another personal taste issue.
    • Lag
      I've never experienced lag.
    • Rapid Gear Decay.
      Personal taste issue.
    • Overall direction of game
      Personal taste issue.
    • Reasoning behind changing things because of bots
      You'd rather they just let them proliferate and thrive instead of changing things so they aren't viable?
    • megaserver/phasing/sharding system
      Personal taste issue. Although I'm not fond of it either, I've adapted and overcame the problems it comes with.
    • VR1 - VR12 Farming (Anomaly, Balmath etc)
      I cannot comment on content I've not yet experienced. Keep in mind I'm not racing to the "endgame" content as well. I've been playing since release and STILL haven't gotten to VR content.
    • Broke abilities and passives
      I've not encountered these "broken" abilities and passives in my gameplay.
    • intimidate/persuade but it does not translate to the other players choice if they cannot select it...
      Buhwha? I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here.
    • instances of grouping are sometimes not working
    • Bad grouping tools
      Redundant much? The public instance nature of the entire game does not -promote- grouping, therefore grouping tools are not really needed.
    • Memory leak problems
      With 9 gigs of RAM, I've never come across any "memory leak" problems.
    • the 'quick'slot system designed for consoles
      Another personal taste issue. While I don't play on a console...I've got no problems with the system.
    • Tiny banks / Inventory space minigame taking about 25% of my play time
      More personal taste issues.
    • guild store gui is bad /guild store does not work
      Seriously. Personal taste issues.
    • Unresponsive combat
      More personal taste issues. Combat is just fine for me.
    • the lack of direction and interaction from/with the devs
      More redundant repetition of gripes. I'll answer the same as above. I don't know how much skooma you're consuming, but I've seen plenty of interaction from devs.
    • Bad guild banks option
      Personal taste issue.
    • Lack of an real open world
      You really need to lay off the skooma. This world is massive compared to the other MMO's out there right now.
    • not seeing enemy players due to them not loaded on your screen
      Can't comment on this, as I don't engage in PvP.
    • Can't reply in mail
      Skooma. It's bad for you. Learn to use the UI.
    • No dueling
      This is a good thing. I'll call this another personal taste issue, rather than expound upon the vices of single combat with other players.
    • poor atrocity that is VR leveling. / would like to see more possibilities to level from v1 to v12.
      No comments on content I've not experienced yet.
    • No underwater swimming
      Another thing I agree with. However, it's not game breaking.
    • No law system
      Personal taste issue. I can see whatever Zenimax implements either not being good enough or being abused to the point of griefing other players. Thank god there's not something currently in place.
    • I don't like the part where I can't login for 4 days because of Error 301.
      I'm sure I wouldn't like it either, if I'd ever had this "Error 301" problem. I've never had any problems launching or logging into or playing the game.
    • No housing
      I agree with this one. Would like to see player housing, but it's a personal taste issue, not a game design issue. At least -I- can distinguish between the two.
    • Lack of user friendly GUI
      Personal taste issue.
    • No options for floating names
      Personal taste issue. I hate floaty names and am glad they're not in the game.
    • No way to preview gear on your character before actually equipping it.
      While it would be a nice thing to have, it's a personal taste issue again.

    "I think people just complain just to complain"

    Yeah, no problems I can find.


    Considering most of your "problems" are personal taste issues.....yeah. People complain just to complain.
    Edited by MercyKilling on June 30, 2014 2:38AM
    I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
    1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
    2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
    3) Difficulty slider.
    4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
    Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.
  • jimfopao2
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    Stratti wrote: »
    Despair9 wrote: »

    Have you completed cadwell journal ,
    Have you completed all the solo Dungeouns
    Have you completed all public Dungeouns
    Have you cleared world bosses and dolmens
    Have you completed vet Dungeouns
    Have you done a trial or experienced that
    Have you grouped in large scale PvP
    Have you maxed out your guilds so that you have access to a few hundred online guildies

    Until you have done all of these than you haven't experienced the game. The game begins at v1 not v12. Don't cry about being unable to skip all the content to trials this isn't wow

    Now for WoW these are your choices
    Boring faceroll quests that 9 yr olds can solo
    Faceroll Dungeouns that you can sleep through
    To level cap
    Grind honor to get your gear grind arena to improve it
    Spam LFR to faceroll raids ina toxic environment to gear up
    Hit up flex instead if you can in a toxic environment
    Join a raid team - do that over and over
    Join a heroic team - maybe hit upper levels of gear .

    That's a grind rest - but very different we need to stop with the blizzard mentality

    You are right. This is the entire problem... Oh wait it isn't the entire problem until you include the point that the game is so poor in so many aspects that nobody wants to do anything you listed to completion.

    Most of my posts are negative about this game. You can make me angry or sad and I will get over it but I find it very, very hard to get over something that simply disappoints me. It's a character flaw I admit.

    Soo much potential wasted with bollocks game mechanics, a UI only made moderately functional with addons and generally lacklustre content. Such a pity.
  • Blackwidow
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    Despair9 wrote: »
    You are free to post your opinion, but why lie about half the things?

    These were not my opinions and don't call me a liar.
  • GeeYouWhy
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    Ecco wrote: »
    For every guy like this who sees the sky falling, there are 50 players *playing* who are thoroughly enjoying the experience. They don't stop to post "this game is great", they just play.

    Yeah that's what's happening ... sure ... all those negative reviews and complaints or just noise, not a rising tsunami of disappointment.

    You keep to that story.
    Konrandir, Vampire Sorcerer
  • circilion
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    Mablung wrote: »
    circilion wrote: »
    My main issue with the game is that they still have not fixed the Mac Memory Bleed bug. Other than that I enjoy everything else about it. Although I am just breaking into Vet content. I have heard that it gets ludicrous around V6

    There is a fix for the Mac Memory Bleed Bug. It is called PC. :D


    Haha, you know the hilarious thing? I bought this computer in anticipation of ESO. I have an older Mac that I love a lot, when I heard ESO was coming out and was Mac compatible as well I fell in love with TES even more than I already was.

    the followup has been a pretty big letdown. But that is more my fault for being a sucker for an exceptional franchise and solid marketing.
    >:)
  • Blackwidow
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    Blackwidow wrote: »

    Yeah, I'm sure it's just the adapt thing you mentioned. What else could it be?
    • The power gap between levels in Cyrodiil.
      Not everyone plays the game for PvP
    • Lack of end game
      Typically, MMO's never really "end".
    • lack of a real auction house.
      While I agree with the sentiment, it's not a game breaking thing.
    • Near empty PvP / The pvp is the most badly designed pvp i have ever played.
      In EVER single MMORPG this statement is made on the game's forums by someone. When will people learn(this includes game developers) that PvP is not meant for RPG's. Keep it in the FPS and RTS and MOBA's.
    • Lack of feedback from devs
      Not sure how much skooma you've been doing, but I've seen plenty of feedback.
    • impossible to find any roleplay because of the way the phasing system works
      Again, not sure what game you've been playing. I've stumbled across several open world encounters.
    • Bugs/crashes
      The only time I came across bugs in this game was during closed beta stress tests and shortly after launch. The game has to date....never crashed for me. I'd look at the mods you're running or perhaps software conflicts rather than blame the game.
    • class balance is utter crap.
      If all classes should perform the same...why make more than one?
    • 5 guilds system sucks
      This I do agree with. I'm not much of a guild person though, to be honest.
    • Inventory GUI is horrible
      I have no problems with it. This is more likely a personal taste issue than a game design flaw.
    • being forced into solo play quests
      Another thing I agree with. Rather than force solo play -in any form-....it should always be an option in an MMO.
    • No way of changing skill morphs without a full respec. Also, crazy respec cost.
      Another thing I agree with. We should be able to respec as far back as we want to, instead of being forced to start all over from the beginning.
    • 15 minute long 'raids'
      Another personal taste issue. Plenty of other games have "raids" that last longer than fifteen minutes. Just because -you- have ADD doesn't make this a game flaw.
    • Alchemy... just all of it... the fact that only 3 potions are of any real benefit, the fact that 2 completely different potions have the same name just because their 1st effect on the list is the same, the small amount of reagents...
      Another personal taste issue.
    • Lag
      I've never experienced lag.
    • Rapid Gear Decay.
      Personal taste issue.
    • Overall direction of game
      Personal taste issue.
    • Reasoning behind changing things because of bots
      You'd rather they just let them proliferate and thrive instead of changing things so they aren't viable?
    • megaserver/phasing/sharding system
      Personal taste issue. Although I'm not fond of it either, I've adapted and overcame the problems it comes with.
    • VR1 - VR12 Farming (Anomaly, Balmath etc)
      I cannot comment on content I've not yet experienced. Keep in mind I'm not racing to the "endgame" content as well. I've been playing since release and STILL haven't gotten to VR content.
    • Broke abilities and passives
      I've not encountered these "broken" abilities and passives in my gameplay.
    • intimidate/persuade but it does not translate to the other players choice if they cannot select it...
      Buhwha? I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here.
    • instances of grouping are sometimes not working
    • Bad grouping tools
      Redundant much? The public instance nature of the entire game does not -promote- grouping, therefore grouping tools are not really needed.
    • Memory leak problems
      With 9 gigs of RAM, I've never come across any "memory leak" problems.
    • the 'quick'slot system designed for consoles
      Another personal taste issue. While I don't play on a console...I've got no problems with the system.
    • Tiny banks / Inventory space minigame taking about 25% of my play time
      More personal taste issues.
    • guild store gui is bad /guild store does not work
      Seriously. Personal taste issues.
    • Unresponsive combat
      More personal taste issues. Combat is just fine for me.
    • the lack of direction and interaction from/with the devs
      More redundant repetition of gripes. I'll answer the same as above. I don't know how much skooma you're consuming, but I've seen plenty of interaction from devs.
    • Bad guild banks option
      Personal taste issue.
    • Lack of an real open world
      You really need to lay off the skooma. This world is massive compared to the other MMO's out there right now.
    • not seeing enemy players due to them not loaded on your screen
      Can't comment on this, as I don't engage in PvP.
    • Can't reply in mail
      Skooma. It's bad for you. Learn to use the UI.
    • No dueling
      This is a good thing. I'll call this another personal taste issue, rather than expound upon the vices of single combat with other players.
    • poor atrocity that is VR leveling. / would like to see more possibilities to level from v1 to v12.
      No comments on content I've not experienced yet.
    • No underwater swimming
      Another thing I agree with. However, it's not game breaking.
    • No law system
      Personal taste issue. I can see whatever Zenimax implements either not being good enough or being abused to the point of griefing other players. Thank god there's not something currently in place.
    • I don't like the part where I can't login for 4 days because of Error 301.
      I'm sure I wouldn't like it either, if I'd ever had this "Error 301" problem. I've never had any problems launching or logging into or playing the game.
    • No housing
      I agree with this one. Would like to see player housing, but it's a personal taste issue, not a game design issue. At least -I- can distinguish between the two.
    • Lack of user friendly GUI
      Personal taste issue.
    • No options for floating names
      Personal taste issue. I hate floaty names and am glad they're not in the game.
    • No way to preview gear on your character before actually equipping it.
      While it would be a nice thing to have, it's a personal taste issue again.

    "I think people just complain just to complain"

    Yeah, no problems I can find.


    Considering most of your "problems" are personal taste issues.....yeah. People complain just to complain.

    Your responses are, either you actually agreeing with the item on the list, or it is personal preferences you disagree with, but you understand some people want it that way.

    Either way, why is that not a valid reason to bring up issues about ESO?

    In way crazy way is that complaining just to complain?
    Edited by Blackwidow on June 30, 2014 4:44AM
  • Phantax
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    Malvokian wrote: »
    Phantax wrote: »
    I'm not normally a quitter

    What is wrong with quitting a game you are not enjoying? Are you obligated to play this game out of some bizarre sense of loyalty? You are a $ to Zenimax.

    Go play something you will enjoy.

    Because I love the TES franchise. I (like most people) waited to long for this game, I wanted it to be the #1 MMO eventually. I brought the CE game, took out a 90 day sub to start off. The CE was great, love the book/artwork. The game has been... err... not so good.
    Being an older gamer (in my forties now) I have other commitments (work, family etc) I was hoping ESO would be my final MMO, something I could play, support and enjoy for many years. As the game stands now, that's more likely to be weeks.
    Just want them to turn things around, listen to the players like they did at launch, make this title the game it deserves to be (this is TES ffs, there isn't a game franchise in the world that has this depth of lore, this following)

    Is that obligation? Yes I guess it is out of some sense of loyalty, though not sure why...lol (maybe I'm still young enough to think with my heart, not just my head)

    :(
    High Elf Sorcerer VR12 - Destro / Resto Staff
    I'm a werewolf. If you vamps don't like it.... Bite me !
    We're not retreating... we're advancing in a different direction !
  • Haewk
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    Blackwidow wrote: »

    Yeah, I'm sure it's just the adapt thing you mentioned. What else could it be?
    • The power gap between levels in Cyrodiil.
      Not everyone plays the game for PvP
    • Lack of end game
      Typically, MMO's never really "end".
    • lack of a real auction house.
      While I agree with the sentiment, it's not a game breaking thing.
    • Near empty PvP / The pvp is the most badly designed pvp i have ever played.
      In EVER single MMORPG this statement is made on the game's forums by someone. When will people learn(this includes game developers) that PvP is not meant for RPG's. Keep it in the FPS and RTS and MOBA's.
    • Lack of feedback from devs
      Not sure how much skooma you've been doing, but I've seen plenty of feedback.
    • impossible to find any roleplay because of the way the phasing system works
      Again, not sure what game you've been playing. I've stumbled across several open world encounters.
    • Bugs/crashes
      The only time I came across bugs in this game was during closed beta stress tests and shortly after launch. The game has to date....never crashed for me. I'd look at the mods you're running or perhaps software conflicts rather than blame the game.
    • class balance is utter crap.
      If all classes should perform the same...why make more than one?
    • 5 guilds system sucks
      This I do agree with. I'm not much of a guild person though, to be honest.
    • Inventory GUI is horrible
      I have no problems with it. This is more likely a personal taste issue than a game design flaw.
    • being forced into solo play quests
      Another thing I agree with. Rather than force solo play -in any form-....it should always be an option in an MMO.
    • No way of changing skill morphs without a full respec. Also, crazy respec cost.
      Another thing I agree with. We should be able to respec as far back as we want to, instead of being forced to start all over from the beginning.
    • 15 minute long 'raids'
      Another personal taste issue. Plenty of other games have "raids" that last longer than fifteen minutes. Just because -you- have ADD doesn't make this a game flaw.
    • Alchemy... just all of it... the fact that only 3 potions are of any real benefit, the fact that 2 completely different potions have the same name just because their 1st effect on the list is the same, the small amount of reagents...
      Another personal taste issue.
    • Lag
      I've never experienced lag.
    • Rapid Gear Decay.
      Personal taste issue.
    • Overall direction of game
      Personal taste issue.
    • Reasoning behind changing things because of bots
      You'd rather they just let them proliferate and thrive instead of changing things so they aren't viable?
    • megaserver/phasing/sharding system
      Personal taste issue. Although I'm not fond of it either, I've adapted and overcame the problems it comes with.
    • VR1 - VR12 Farming (Anomaly, Balmath etc)
      I cannot comment on content I've not yet experienced. Keep in mind I'm not racing to the "endgame" content as well. I've been playing since release and STILL haven't gotten to VR content.
    • Broke abilities and passives
      I've not encountered these "broken" abilities and passives in my gameplay.
    • intimidate/persuade but it does not translate to the other players choice if they cannot select it...
      Buhwha? I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here.
    • instances of grouping are sometimes not working
    • Bad grouping tools
      Redundant much? The public instance nature of the entire game does not -promote- grouping, therefore grouping tools are not really needed.
    • Memory leak problems
      With 9 gigs of RAM, I've never come across any "memory leak" problems.
    • the 'quick'slot system designed for consoles
      Another personal taste issue. While I don't play on a console...I've got no problems with the system.
    • Tiny banks / Inventory space minigame taking about 25% of my play time
      More personal taste issues.
    • guild store gui is bad /guild store does not work
      Seriously. Personal taste issues.
    • Unresponsive combat
      More personal taste issues. Combat is just fine for me.
    • the lack of direction and interaction from/with the devs
      More redundant repetition of gripes. I'll answer the same as above. I don't know how much skooma you're consuming, but I've seen plenty of interaction from devs.
    • Bad guild banks option
      Personal taste issue.
    • Lack of an real open world
      You really need to lay off the skooma. This world is massive compared to the other MMO's out there right now.
    • not seeing enemy players due to them not loaded on your screen
      Can't comment on this, as I don't engage in PvP.
    • Can't reply in mail
      Skooma. It's bad for you. Learn to use the UI.
    • No dueling
      This is a good thing. I'll call this another personal taste issue, rather than expound upon the vices of single combat with other players.
    • poor atrocity that is VR leveling. / would like to see more possibilities to level from v1 to v12.
      No comments on content I've not experienced yet.
    • No underwater swimming
      Another thing I agree with. However, it's not game breaking.
    • No law system
      Personal taste issue. I can see whatever Zenimax implements either not being good enough or being abused to the point of griefing other players. Thank god there's not something currently in place.
    • I don't like the part where I can't login for 4 days because of Error 301.
      I'm sure I wouldn't like it either, if I'd ever had this "Error 301" problem. I've never had any problems launching or logging into or playing the game.
    • No housing
      I agree with this one. Would like to see player housing, but it's a personal taste issue, not a game design issue. At least -I- can distinguish between the two.
    • Lack of user friendly GUI
      Personal taste issue.
    • No options for floating names
      Personal taste issue. I hate floaty names and am glad they're not in the game.
    • No way to preview gear on your character before actually equipping it.
      While it would be a nice thing to have, it's a personal taste issue again.

    "I think people just complain just to complain"

    Yeah, no problems I can find.


    Considering most of your "problems" are personal taste issues.....yeah. People complain just to complain.

    So you don't experience those issues and therefore they do not exist? Don't experience broken quests therefore they do not exist. Don't experience lag therefore it does not exist.

    You don't experience lag? Really? You don't get enemies dropping dead before you even get an animation? If you even get one at all. You have never accidentally triggered an ultimate when you looted and pressed "R" to loot all but the loot box never opened and you popped the ultimate instead? Never experienced blocking being out of sync with enemy animations?

    I have a broken quest currently that I check on from time to time. Broken since I picked it up about a week or so ago. Abandoned several times. Still broken.

    The newest bug I have is that my ESC key stops working. Sometimes /reloadui fixes it, sometimes not. I do have occasional crashes as well.

    You have a bank and inventory where you can easily store 100+ items on each with no way to categorize?

    Most of the stuff you posted is of the form "I don't experience it so therefore it doesn't exist or is a personal issue". Really? Its not all about just you. This is not a game made for just you.
  • Leovolao
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    Blackwidow wrote: »

    Yeah, I'm sure it's just the adapt thing you mentioned. What else could it be?
    • The power gap between levels in Cyrodiil.
      Not everyone plays the game for PvP
    • Lack of end game
      Typically, MMO's never really "end".
    • lack of a real auction house.
      While I agree with the sentiment, it's not a game breaking thing.
    • Near empty PvP / The pvp is the most badly designed pvp i have ever played.
      In EVER single MMORPG this statement is made on the game's forums by someone. When will people learn(this includes game developers) that PvP is not meant for RPG's. Keep it in the FPS and RTS and MOBA's.
    • Lack of feedback from devs
      Not sure how much skooma you've been doing, but I've seen plenty of feedback.
    • impossible to find any roleplay because of the way the phasing system works
      Again, not sure what game you've been playing. I've stumbled across several open world encounters.
    • Bugs/crashes
      The only time I came across bugs in this game was during closed beta stress tests and shortly after launch. The game has to date....never crashed for me. I'd look at the mods you're running or perhaps software conflicts rather than blame the game.
    • class balance is utter crap.
      If all classes should perform the same...why make more than one?
    • 5 guilds system sucks
      This I do agree with. I'm not much of a guild person though, to be honest.
    • Inventory GUI is horrible
      I have no problems with it. This is more likely a personal taste issue than a game design flaw.
    • being forced into solo play quests
      Another thing I agree with. Rather than force solo play -in any form-....it should always be an option in an MMO.
    • No way of changing skill morphs without a full respec. Also, crazy respec cost.
      Another thing I agree with. We should be able to respec as far back as we want to, instead of being forced to start all over from the beginning.
    • 15 minute long 'raids'
      Another personal taste issue. Plenty of other games have "raids" that last longer than fifteen minutes. Just because -you- have ADD doesn't make this a game flaw.
    • Alchemy... just all of it... the fact that only 3 potions are of any real benefit, the fact that 2 completely different potions have the same name just because their 1st effect on the list is the same, the small amount of reagents...
      Another personal taste issue.
    • Lag
      I've never experienced lag.
    • Rapid Gear Decay.
      Personal taste issue.
    • Overall direction of game
      Personal taste issue.
    • Reasoning behind changing things because of bots
      You'd rather they just let them proliferate and thrive instead of changing things so they aren't viable?
    • megaserver/phasing/sharding system
      Personal taste issue. Although I'm not fond of it either, I've adapted and overcame the problems it comes with.
    • VR1 - VR12 Farming (Anomaly, Balmath etc)
      I cannot comment on content I've not yet experienced. Keep in mind I'm not racing to the "endgame" content as well. I've been playing since release and STILL haven't gotten to VR content.
    • Broke abilities and passives
      I've not encountered these "broken" abilities and passives in my gameplay.
    • intimidate/persuade but it does not translate to the other players choice if they cannot select it...
      Buhwha? I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here.
    • instances of grouping are sometimes not working
    • Bad grouping tools
      Redundant much? The public instance nature of the entire game does not -promote- grouping, therefore grouping tools are not really needed.
    • Memory leak problems
      With 9 gigs of RAM, I've never come across any "memory leak" problems.
    • the 'quick'slot system designed for consoles
      Another personal taste issue. While I don't play on a console...I've got no problems with the system.
    • Tiny banks / Inventory space minigame taking about 25% of my play time
      More personal taste issues.
    • guild store gui is bad /guild store does not work
      Seriously. Personal taste issues.
    • Unresponsive combat
      More personal taste issues. Combat is just fine for me.
    • the lack of direction and interaction from/with the devs
      More redundant repetition of gripes. I'll answer the same as above. I don't know how much skooma you're consuming, but I've seen plenty of interaction from devs.
    • Bad guild banks option
      Personal taste issue.
    • Lack of an real open world
      You really need to lay off the skooma. This world is massive compared to the other MMO's out there right now.
    • not seeing enemy players due to them not loaded on your screen
      Can't comment on this, as I don't engage in PvP.
    • Can't reply in mail
      Skooma. It's bad for you. Learn to use the UI.
    • No dueling
      This is a good thing. I'll call this another personal taste issue, rather than expound upon the vices of single combat with other players.
    • poor atrocity that is VR leveling. / would like to see more possibilities to level from v1 to v12.
      No comments on content I've not experienced yet.
    • No underwater swimming
      Another thing I agree with. However, it's not game breaking.
    • No law system
      Personal taste issue. I can see whatever Zenimax implements either not being good enough or being abused to the point of griefing other players. Thank god there's not something currently in place.
    • I don't like the part where I can't login for 4 days because of Error 301.
      I'm sure I wouldn't like it either, if I'd ever had this "Error 301" problem. I've never had any problems launching or logging into or playing the game.
    • No housing
      I agree with this one. Would like to see player housing, but it's a personal taste issue, not a game design issue. At least -I- can distinguish between the two.
    • Lack of user friendly GUI
      Personal taste issue.
    • No options for floating names
      Personal taste issue. I hate floaty names and am glad they're not in the game.
    • No way to preview gear on your character before actually equipping it.
      While it would be a nice thing to have, it's a personal taste issue again.

    "I think people just complain just to complain"

    Yeah, no problems I can find.


    Considering most of your "problems" are personal taste issues.....yeah. People complain just to complain.
    • Broke abilities and passives
      I've not encountered these "broken" abilities and passives in my gameplay.
      NB class was full of bugs and skill not working properly at launch... there are now some invisibility issues (breaking before time has expired)
    • Rapid Gear Decay.
      Personal taste issue.
      How is this "personal taste" for you, some people (including myself) were getting gear decay over time just sitting on the cities
    • guild store gui is bad /guild store does not work
      Seriously. Personal taste issues.
      Seriously. NOT a Personal taste issue. We can't search items by name? I can't rush to the end page of the search result because the store simply resets?
    • Unresponsive combat
      More personal taste issues. Combat is just fine for me.
      Yeah... No. Because CC break not working is intended.

    Changing those 4 plus all the points you already agreed upon, this is not complaining just for the fun of it. This are real issues.
    tea pot


    "What if my problem wasn't that I don't understand people but that I don't like them?"
  • Khivas_Carrick
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    Blackwidow wrote: »
    Hadria wrote: »
    People always say they are leaving because the games broke.....whats broke? what broken game mechanic is really bothering you and stopping you from having fun?

    There's nothing.....I think people just complain just to complain about pointless things...

    It's too hard for them and they can't adapt from the other mmos to this one so they're going back to where they feel comfortable.

    Yeah, I'm sure it's just the adapt thing you mentioned. What else could it be?
    • The power gap between levels in Cyrodiil.
    • Lack of end game
    • lack of a real auction house.
    • Near empty PvP / The pvp is the most badly designed pvp i have ever played.
    • Lack of feedback from devs
    • impossible to find any roleplay because of the way the phasing system works
    • Bugs/crashes
    • class balance is utter crap.
    • 5 guilds system sucks
    • Inventory GUI is horrible
    • being forced into solo play quests
    • No way of changing skill morphs without a full respec. Also, crazy respec cost.
    • 15 minute long 'raids'
    • Alchemy... just all of it... the fact that only 3 potions are of any real benefit, the fact that 2 completely different potions have the same name just because their 1st effect on the list is the same, the small amount of reagents...
    • Lag
    • Rapid Gear Decay.
    • Overall direction of game
    • Reasoning behind changing things because of bots
    • megaserver/phasing/sharding system
    • VR1 - VR12 Farming (Anomaly, Balmath etc)
    • Broke abilities and passives
    • intimidate/persuade but it does not translate to the other players choice if they cannot select it...
    • instances of grouping are sometimes not working
    • Memory leak problems
    • Bad grouping tools
    • the 'quick'slot system designed for consoles
    • Tiny banks / Inventory space minigame taking about 25% of my play time
    • guild store gui is bad /guild store does not work
    • Unresponsive combat
    • the lack of direction and interaction from/with the devs
    • Bad guild banks options
    • Lack of an real open world
    • not seeing enemy players due to them not loaded on your screen
    • Can't reply in mail
    • No dueling
    • poor atrocity that is VR leveling. / would like to see more possibilities to level from v1 to v12.
    • No underwater swimming
    • No law system
    • I don't like the part where I can't login for 4 days because of Error 301.
    • No housing
    • Lack of user friendly GUI
    • No options for floating names
    • No way to preview gear on your character before actually equipping it.

    "I think people just complain just to complain"

    Yeah, no problems I can find.

    Bobbity Boop, this game might become poop, but I'll still play because I'm just a pile of goop!
  • Khivas_Carrick
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    Hadria wrote: »
    Those are just your opinions, not everyone dislikes most of what you listed.

    HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA SOMEBODY LOST A FEW TOO MANY BRAIN CELLS.

    I hope this is sarcasm, because I've seen a lot of this before I half-assed quit and it was not sarcasm.
    Bobbity Boop, this game might become poop, but I'll still play because I'm just a pile of goop!
  • tigerblood
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    I feel victim of the ol' pump and dump. Pump up the game, take the players investment money $ 70 + 3 month sub or whatever, leave a skeleton crew behind to manage, move on to next pump and dump. Is that was has happened here?
  • ForTheRealm
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    Phantax wrote: »
    ...
    I can't even say that I'm eagerly awaiting Monday's fix. Honestly.. my main thought about Monday is "What else are they going to break?"
    ...

    Yeah - my thoughts are currently the same.
    When there is a patch I am now crossing my fingers in a hope they do not break more things than they fix...

  • fromtesonlineb16_ESO
    fromtesonlineb16_ESO
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    Phantax wrote: »
    Just realised (not that I'd actually forgotten) I have next week off work. Think this may be the first time I have time off and have zero plans to play my 'current' MMO.
    I never have that problem .. right now I have 6 'current' MMOs I play, usually at least once a week and many every day or other day or two.

    I rotate my 'focus' as it were but I still log in to FFXI at last every Sunday, I started playing that in '05.

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