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NB Trials DPS : 1.2k first 2 bosses, 910 3rd.
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VileIntent✭✭✭✭Tannakaobi wrote: »
its a dps meter.. shows live dps, hps, and incoming damage used by tanks1 -
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Properly crafted sets of MEDIUM gear maybe?
ok. Lets see a DK with stamina build have 53% weapon crit. I'm stuck on 8% right now with heavy armor and 1h+ shield. Any advice to raise my weapon crit?
Thats the problem, you have to wear medium armor in order to have a chance at using the weapon abilities well
And all spell casters are forced to go light and use inner light unless they are nb and can squeeze many assassination skills and even then. What is your point?
my point is that heavy armor users are at a disadvantage when it comes to dealing damage2 -
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Properly crafted sets of MEDIUM gear maybe?
ok. Lets see a DK with stamina build have 53% weapon crit. I'm stuck on 8% right now with heavy armor and 1h+ shield. Any advice to raise my weapon crit?
Thats the problem, you have to wear medium armor in order to have a chance at using the weapon abilities well
And all spell casters are forced to go light and use inner light unless they are nb and can squeeze many assassination skills and even then. What is your point?
my point is that heavy armor users are at a disadvantage when it comes to dealing damage
as they should be, heavy armor is used for tanking2 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭VileIntent wrote: »
Properly crafted sets of MEDIUM gear maybe?
ok. Lets see a DK with stamina build have 53% weapon crit. I'm stuck on 8% right now with heavy armor and 1h+ shield. Any advice to raise my weapon crit?
Thats the problem, you have to wear medium armor in order to have a chance at using the weapon abilities well
And all spell casters are forced to go light and use inner light unless they are nb and can squeeze many assassination skills and even then. What is your point?
my point is that heavy armor users are at a disadvantage when it comes to dealing damage
as they should be, heavy armor is used for tanking
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Tannakaobi✭✭✭✭✭VileIntent wrote: »Tannakaobi wrote: »
its a dps meter.. shows live dps, hps, and incoming damage used by tanks
Ah, I see. Cheers! Have an awesome from me.
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Properly crafted sets of MEDIUM gear maybe?
ok. Lets see a DK with stamina build have 53% weapon crit. I'm stuck on 8% right now with heavy armor and 1h+ shield. Any advice to raise my weapon crit?
Thats the problem, you have to wear medium armor in order to have a chance at using the weapon abilities well
And all spell casters are forced to go light and use inner light unless they are nb and can squeeze many assassination skills and even then. What is your point?
my point is that heavy armor users are at a disadvantage when it comes to dealing damage
as they should be, heavy armor is used for tanking
and light armour is used for healing
And magicka Based DPS.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)1 -
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Most people didn't play a NB in any of the other TES game I think.xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Every time I see a Nightblade talk about how class is a NightBLADE i'm reminded of the morons in GW2 who while bitching about Rangers (which deserved to be bitched about in that game for being kind of weak) would always talk about they weren't great with Bows compared to other classes and every single time it was always "We're RANGErs, we should be best at Range!"
Guess what..It was stupid then, and its stupid now..Quit with that NightBLADE crap
Some descriptions of the class from previous games.
TES1Arena Mage group
"Nightblades are those mages who have perfected their arts to help in
activities involving infiltration, spying, and stealth. They are much like
thieves, creatures of the night, able to use their considerable powers to
help them in their nocturnal activities. In combat, Nightblades receive a
chance per level of scoring a critical hit (3x damage). Nightblades can
pick locks about as well as Rogues. They also receive 1.5x their INT in
starting spell points"
TES2 DaggerFall Mage Group
'Possibly the most feared of the classes is the Nightblade.They possess many of the skills and philosophy of the thiefly classes,combined with the powers of the mage.Their natural agility and stealth.and their mastery of the school of illusion,means nightblades are seldom seen.Though their hand can certainly be felt.Effective nightblades have high agility, high inteligence and willpower.
TES3 Morrowind Magic Specialization -Light armor
"Nightblades are spellcasters who use their magics to enhance mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat. They have a sinister reputation, since many nightblades are thieves, enforcers, assassins, or covert agents."
TES4 Oblivion Magic Spec -Light Armor.
"Nightblades are effective assassins and enforcers. Their speed and skills allow them to easily reach places most others could not. Nightblades dispose of opponents with a quick blade and Destruction magic. They are also skilled in Alteration magic, and are proficient in healing themselves. "
No damn blades mentioned anywhere. Stealth illusion based mages all the way. They had small weapons specialization but that did not defined them.
No damn blades mentioned?
Except flat out in the Oblivion description two sentences before you make that claim.
A lore valid NB would typically use illusion & stealth to sneak in and stick a blade in, thus the descriptions and class name. So maybe like a DW with abilities like Ambush & Shadow Cloak?
ZOS acknowledge that they need to fix some abilities and tweak others so the class doesn't have to morph into a sorcerer style cookie build.
Meanwhile the DW version on medium is quite viable for most aspects of the game and quite fun to play.
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Aeratus✭✭✭✭✭But Nightblades don't need to actually equip daggers to have a "blade." For example, OP uses impale, which is a "blade" skill because it shows the user throw/strike with a blade. Same thing with veiled strike (surprise attack), which even staff users carry around in pvp.
Therefore, playing nightblades with destro/resto is totally in line with the description in Oblivion, simply because the "blade" is already built into the assassination and shadow skills.
In summary, there is no need to actually equip stamina weapons to use a blade. Therefore, no need to equip stamina weapons to be a nightblade according to Oblivion's class description.Edited by Aeratus on June 17, 2014 10:39PM3 -
GreasedLizard✭✭✭This is what maybe is the max weap crit with DK
Go khajit 6%
Go full medium 21%
Go 2Xdaggers =2*3.5+5=12%
Go Thief 3% or is it?
~42%
Night's Silence adds 5%
47%. Weapon crit. If I didn't forget anything.
I have 49.1% when I swap to 'Impale Bar'
18% (6 assassin skills x 3%) [passive]
10% Twin & Blunt w/ dual dagger [passive]
7% Dual daggers with Precise Trait
7% (that what the AvA keep bonus is?)
6.1% Thief Mundus with +22.5% Divine Traits
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Ok. Ok. Still 3 out of 4. Still not a freaking ranger but magic with light armor spec in all the TES games it was available as a premade class. And we certainly have our blades in TESO as magicka based class skills. They are more one use bound weapons though.SuraklinPrime wrote: »
Most people didn't play a NB in any of the other TES game I think.xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Every time I see a Nightblade talk about how class is a NightBLADE i'm reminded of the morons in GW2 who while bitching about Rangers (which deserved to be bitched about in that game for being kind of weak) would always talk about they weren't great with Bows compared to other classes and every single time it was always "We're RANGErs, we should be best at Range!"
Guess what..It was stupid then, and its stupid now..Quit with that NightBLADE crap
Some descriptions of the class from previous games.
TES1Arena Mage group
"Nightblades are those mages who have perfected their arts to help in
activities involving infiltration, spying, and stealth. They are much like
thieves, creatures of the night, able to use their considerable powers to
help them in their nocturnal activities. In combat, Nightblades receive a
chance per level of scoring a critical hit (3x damage). Nightblades can
pick locks about as well as Rogues. They also receive 1.5x their INT in
starting spell points"
TES2 DaggerFall Mage Group
'Possibly the most feared of the classes is the Nightblade.They possess many of the skills and philosophy of the thiefly classes,combined with the powers of the mage.Their natural agility and stealth.and their mastery of the school of illusion,means nightblades are seldom seen.Though their hand can certainly be felt.Effective nightblades have high agility, high inteligence and willpower.
TES3 Morrowind Magic Specialization -Light armor
"Nightblades are spellcasters who use their magics to enhance mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat. They have a sinister reputation, since many nightblades are thieves, enforcers, assassins, or covert agents."
TES4 Oblivion Magic Spec -Light Armor.
"Nightblades are effective assassins and enforcers. Their speed and skills allow them to easily reach places most others could not. Nightblades dispose of opponents with a quick blade and Destruction magic. They are also skilled in Alteration magic, and are proficient in healing themselves. "
No damn blades mentioned anywhere. Stealth illusion based mages all the way. They had small weapons specialization but that did not defined them.
No damn blades mentioned?
Except flat out in the Oblivion description two sentences before you make that claim.
A lore valid NB would typically use illusion & stealth to sneak in and stick a blade in, thus the descriptions and class name. So maybe like a DW with abilities like Ambush & Shadow Cloak?
ZOS acknowledge that they need to fix some abilities and tweak others so the class doesn't have to morph into a sorcerer style cookie build.
Meanwhile the DW version on medium is quite viable for most aspects of the game and quite fun to play.
For a ranger I would go templar or DK first not NB.
By the way I am actually a S&B 2Heavy+5light NB usually using just inner light as a non NB skills. With volcanic rune and inner beast in some group situation. I use my damn sword a lot.
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Agreed. Also, no realistic assassin would go dual wield. Assassins use single-wield blades, which is represented by the class skills already.Ok. Ok. Still 3 out of 4. Still not a freaking ranger but magic with light armor spec in all the TES games it was available as a premade class. And we certainly have our blades in TESO as magicka based class skills. They are more one use bound weapons though.
For a ranger I would go templar or DK first not NB.
Furthermore, if you look in morrowind, the Nightblade class has the following skills
Major Skills:
Mysticism
Illusion
Alteration
Sneak
Short Blade (single wield)
Minor Skills:
Light Armor
Unarmored
Destruction
Marksman
Security
As shown, magic skills make up 3/5 of major skills.
Next, in Oblivion, Nightblades doesn't even have marksman as an initially-boosted skill.
Hopefully, people will stop this nonsense that NB = DW/bow.1 -
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Yes the current NB class skills allow you to play the TES NB class concept pretty well, in somewhat varied way and relatively efficiently. If our skill would be all bugless I would be happy. For people that want to play a D&D type DW+BOW ranger or the D&D assassin unfortunately this is not the class that allows it. Ask Zeni to create something new that allows it.
Agreed. Also, no realistic assassin would go dual wield. Assassins use single-wield blades, which is represented by the class skills already.Ok. Ok. Still 3 out of 4. Still not a freaking ranger but magic with light armor spec in all the TES games it was available as a premade class. And we certainly have our blades in TESO as magicka based class skills. They are more one use bound weapons though.
For a ranger I would go templar or DK first not NB.
Furthermore, if you look in morrowind, the Nightblade class has the following skills
Major Skills:
Mysticism
Illusion
Alteration
Sneak
Short Blade (single wield)
Minor Skills:
Light Armor
Unarmored
Destruction
Marksman
Security
As shown, magic skills make up 3/5 of major skills.
Next, in Oblivion, Nightblades doesn't even have marksman as an initially-boosted skill.
Hopefully, people will stop this nonsense that NB = DW/bow.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
Loco_Mofo✭✭✭✭✭Yes the current NB class skills allow you to play the TES NB class concept pretty well, in somewhat varied way and relatively efficiently. If our skill would be all bugless I would be happy. For people that want to play a D&D type DW+BOW ranger or the D&D assassin unfortunately this is not the class that allows it. Ask Zeni to create something new that allows it.
Which class does allow it?
Edit: The dude in the trailer looked like a nightblade to me or was that another class?Edited by Loco_Mofo on June 17, 2014 11:37PM0 -
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The way I would like to play it. None.Yes the current NB class skills allow you to play the TES NB class concept pretty well, in somewhat varied way and relatively efficiently. If our skill would be all bugless I would be happy. For people that want to play a D&D type DW+BOW ranger or the D&D assassin unfortunately this is not the class that allows it. Ask Zeni to create something new that allows it.
Which class does allow it?
There is however a vid in this thread showing a NB doing pretty well with a DW+bow build.I wouldn't like to play that way though.
If they add a nice Ranger class. I would certainly play one.
Edited by PBpsy on June 17, 2014 11:42PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
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✭That's the dps any class can do while they wear robes and staff and abuse animation canceling exploit
NB is still broken.Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »great for you. now lets talk about duel wield dagger stamina and bow using nightblades. they are the total oppisite of the sorcerer nightblade you have created here. and we do very very little dps and we die very very easy.
LOL @ these comments. All classes are terrible with stamina builds. NB has the highest DPS in the game right now and you still think your class is broken. It's people like this that give ZoS terrible feedback is unbalance classes even more.
PS: Animation canceling is not an exploit.PC NA
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✭deathpandax_ESO wrote: »That's the dps any class can do while they wear robes and staff and abuse animation canceling exploit NB is still broken.Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »great for you. now lets talk about duel wield dagger stamina and bow using nightblades. they are the total oppisite of the sorcerer nightblade you have created here. and we do very very little dps and we die very very easy.
LOL @ these comments. All classes are terrible with stamina builds. NB has the highest DPS in the game right now and you still think your class is broken. It's people like this that give ZoS terrible feedback is unbalance classes even more.
PS: Animation canceling is not an exploit.
The CLASS is broken, something like half our abilities don't work correctly which is verified by ZoS. ZoS is in works to fix those broken abilities and tweak the passives. So far of all the changes to NB not one of them is to increase ST damage and the AOE damage increases coming are very minor (Path as an example).
Yes Stamina builds are sub-par, for EVERY Class and ZoS is working on that too. But you cannot say that NB's aren't broken when we are. I for one have never asked for a buff to our damage output or tanking ability, or solo ability, I just want all of our CLASS abilities to work as ZoS intended them too so they can be used if a player chooses to use them.
People constantly confuse "NB class is broken" with "buff NB so it's as OP as DK". OFC there are players out there that want the main class they play to be stupidly OP, but the VAST MAJORITY of players in ESO just want all the bugs with NB Class abilities fixed, nothing more.Edited by DeLindsay on June 18, 2014 12:05AM2 -
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Comments in bolddeathpandax_ESO wrote: »That's the dps any class can do while they wear robes and staff and abuse animation canceling exploit NB is still broken.Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »great for you. now lets talk about duel wield dagger stamina and bow using nightblades. they are the total oppisite of the sorcerer nightblade you have created here. and we do very very little dps and we die very very easy.
LOL @ these comments. All classes are terrible with stamina builds. NB has the highest DPS in the game right now and you still think your class is broken. It's people like this that give ZoS terrible feedback is unbalance classes even more.
PS: Animation canceling is not an exploit.
The CLASS is broken, something like half our abilities don't work correctly which is verified by ZoS. Most of them are working now ZoS is in works to fix those broken abilities and tweak the passives. So far of all the changes to NB not one of them is to increase ST damage and the AOE damage increases coming are very minor (Path as an example). Veil buff increased ST and AoE DPS by a lot.
Yes Stamina builds are sub-par, for EVERY Class and ZoS is working on that too. But you cannot say that NB's aren't broken when we are. Highest DPS = Definately not broken I for one have never asked for a buff to our damage output or tanking ability, or solo ability, I just want all of our CLASS abilities to work as ZoS intended them too so they can be used if a player chooses to use them.
People constantly confuse "NB class is broken" with "buff NB so it's as OP as DK". OFC there are players out there that want the main class they play to be stupidly OP, but the VAST MAJORITY of players in ESO just want all the bugs with NB Class abilities fixed, nothing more. Can you list all of the ones that are "broken"? Because other then a few, most of them were fixed in previous patchesPC NA
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The only guy that could have been a NB was that red goo using mage that supposedly was pwned by the supposedly high elf green lightning using sorceress in the siege trailer. In the other trailer the guy was shiny armor DC Tarzan. The Nord was just a drunken LARPER.
Using the trailer in trying to make a point is just ridiculous.ESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
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Properly crafted sets of MEDIUM gear maybe?
ok. Lets see a DK with stamina build have 53% weapon crit. I'm stuck on 8% right now with heavy armor and 1h+ shield. Any advice to raise my weapon crit?
Thats the problem, you have to wear medium armor in order to have a chance at using the weapon abilities well
And all spell casters are forced to go light and use inner light unless they are nb and can squeeze many assassination skills and even then. What is your point?
my point is that heavy armor users are at a disadvantage when it comes to dealing damage
Heavy armor is for tanking... it should never do the same dps as the other armor types... you can see that even by looking at the bonuses, most are tank related.
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OkieDokie✭✭✭That is a dual wield/dagger/stamina/bow problem. NOT a Nightblade problem.
Yes, I have 50 of each of those skills as well.
I always say that to people and they always get mad at me haha
@Nuitar
by the way, why the Aether set? Never tried this.deathpandax_ESO wrote: »LOL @ these comments. All classes are terrible with stamina builds. NB has the highest DPS in the game right now and you still think your class is broken. It's people like this that give ZoS terrible feedback is unbalance classes even more.
PS: Animation canceling is not an exploit.
In the same group there is a dk doing 1.3k. You should stop giving terrible feedback.
And these are trials, this game does not start at vr12, go level up a nb and compare it to others.Edited by OkieDokie on June 18, 2014 1:47AMPeople keep saying they heard of a friend of friend of friend of their neighbors that plays a NB and can catch up with dks and sorcs and this guy just never shows up. He would be a rock star if he existed.1 -
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✭That is a dual wield/dagger/stamina/bow problem. NOT a Nightblade problem.
Yes, I have 50 of each of those skills as well.
I always say that to people and they always get mad at me haha
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by the way, why the Aether set? Never tried this.deathpandax_ESO wrote: »LOL @ these comments. All classes are terrible with stamina builds. NB has the highest DPS in the game right now and you still think your class is broken. It's people like this that give ZoS terrible feedback is unbalance classes even more.
PS: Animation canceling is not an exploit.
In the same group there is a dk doing 1.3k. You should stop giving terrible feedback.
And these are trials, this game does not start at vr12, go level up a nb and compare it to others.
Leveling doesn't matter. Balance is based around end-game content. Also any class can level easily. Just spam impulse and hold block.PC NA
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OkieDokie✭✭✭Yes it does. There are two constants in this game. PvP and PvE. Everything else is just a temporary endgame content. Builds and needs will change as the endgame changes, you cannot balance it based on trials. What happens when the needs for endgame changes in the next big patch? Do you undo the balance? This is nonsense.
And dks are still better in pretty much everything, stop complaining about it in every single topic.
People keep saying they heard of a friend of friend of friend of their neighbors that plays a NB and can catch up with dks and sorcs and this guy just never shows up. He would be a rock star if he existed.1 -
TheBucket✭✭✭✭Crit is overrated. Weapon power ftwWilliam Reignes
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✭✭Therefore, playing nightblades with destro/resto is totally in line with the description in Oblivion, simply because the "blade" is already built into the assassination and shadow skills.
You can twist and turn this any way you like. The point is melee NBs should be just as viable as cloth/staff caster NBs, whether they are magicka based or stamina based.xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »Every time I see a Nightblade talk about how class is a NightBLADE i'm reminded of the morons in GW2 who while bitching about Rangers (which deserved to be bitched about in that game for being kind of weak) would always talk about they weren't great with Bows compared to other classes and every single time it was always "We're RANGErs, we should be best at Range!"
Guess what..It was stupid then, and its stupid now..Quit with that NightBLADE crap
I agree its quite silly in the case of the ranger. Thats because the name 'ranger' comes from the verb which means 'to roam, to wander' and not 'to fight from a distance'. NB... different story. Unless youre telling me the 'blade' in the name and class description of the NB somehow means a staff?Edited by khele23eb17_ESO on June 18, 2014 12:52PMP2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.0 -
Valn✭✭✭✭✭VileIntent wrote: »
Properly crafted sets of MEDIUM gear maybe?
ok. Lets see a DK with stamina build have 53% weapon crit. I'm stuck on 8% right now with heavy armor and 1h+ shield. Any advice to raise my weapon crit?
Thats the problem, you have to wear medium armor in order to have a chance at using the weapon abilities well
And all spell casters are forced to go light and use inner light unless they are nb and can squeeze many assassination skills and even then. What is your point?
my point is that heavy armor users are at a disadvantage when it comes to dealing damage
as they should be, heavy armor is used for tanking
and light armour is used for healing
And magicka Based DPS.
but heavy armour has no dps for italexandru987eb17_ESO wrote: »
Properly crafted sets of MEDIUM gear maybe?
ok. Lets see a DK with stamina build have 53% weapon crit. I'm stuck on 8% right now with heavy armor and 1h+ shield. Any advice to raise my weapon crit?
Thats the problem, you have to wear medium armor in order to have a chance at using the weapon abilities well
And all spell casters are forced to go light and use inner light unless they are nb and can squeeze many assassination skills and even then. What is your point?
my point is that heavy armor users are at a disadvantage when it comes to dealing damage
Heavy armor is for tanking... it should never do the same dps as the other armor types... you can see that even by looking at the bonuses, most are tank related.
Actually you're wrong. None of the heavy armor abilities have anything to do with tanking. None of them have any aggro pulls. Heavy armor has passives that increase health recovery, increase healing recieved, reduce cost of blocking. Any class can tank in this game, with any armor they want. Health recovery and extra defence does NOT mean tanking.
All classes can have health recovery regardless of armor. All classes can block. If heavy armor was for tanking only, why does it have the Juggernaut passive ability then? That passive increases weapon damage doesnt it?
Right now heavy armor users are at a disadvantage. Why? Because light armor and medium armor have points that go towards resources. Heavy armor has none. You can't attack people with health.
But anyway, heavy armor + stamina/weapon abilities is the worst combination for a stamina build right now. Yes, the armor gives extra defense, but a little bit extra defense than other classes at the expense of MASSIVE dps loss ? It's simply not balanced.
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WilliamTee✭✭✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »No damn blades mentioned?
Except flat out in the Oblivion description two sentences before you make that claim.
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bugulu✭✭✭VileIntent wrote: »as they should be, heavy armor is used for tanking
And yet, light armor is as good or superior to heavy armor when it comes to tanking.0
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