NB Trials DPS : 1.2k first 2 bosses, 910 3rd.

Nuitar · June 2014

Soulac wrote: »

How did you get 2400 Magicka and 1600 Stamina?

I got around 2000 Magicka and 1600 Stamina O.o

Could you tell me your Enchants and stats?

@Soulac
I'm imperial. All my gear is magicka enchanted. Using v5 HP/Magicka food. Aether set provides another 115 magicka with 3 items.

The 1600 stamina is from someone using war horn (increases magicka/stamina by 20%).

Vuron wrote: »

What class is Dirty? He pumped out 1325 in the first fight.

@ Vuron Dirty Southside Wookie is a DK, and he consistently pumped out as much or more DPS than I did, while having a good bonus during AoE phases with DK passives.

killedbyping wrote: »

It is so easy to farm Aether set to become usefull in trials when you not invited into trials

@killedbyping‌ Willows/Twilights for the 10% crit is as good or better. I just wear aether for the mundus stone bonus, which I didn't get on my willow/twilight pieces.

OkieDokie wrote: »

Well done. Just as a curiosity, what was your group members dps?

@OkieDokie Good question. I wish I had been posting the fight times so that could extrapolate group DPS. I know we had someone blaring war horn and spamming combat prayer, as well as someone wearing full aether. All of that together is easily another 10% DPS for the group.

That being said, people were floating from 800-1300. The highest DPS I believe was the aforementioned DK.

However, NBs win DPS on the final boss merely due to having the best execute and providing the utility of veil.

beeriod wrote: »

Are you wearing all 7 piece light armor or have you gone 5/7 with 2 med piece?

@beeriod‌ All 7/7 Light armor, 4 epic 3 legendary (self upgrade legendary is expensive).

khele23eb17_ESO · June 2014

Nuitar wrote: »

That is a dual wield/dagger/stamina/bow problem. NOT a Nightblade problem.

It is a Nightblade problem because nightBLADE.

And becasue a melee _magicka_ nightblade couldnt pull this off.

Nuitar · June 2014

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Nuitar wrote: »

That is a dual wield/dagger/stamina/bow problem. NOT a Nightblade problem.

It is a Nightblade problem because nightBLADE.

And becasue a melee _magicka_ nightblade with daggers and med armor could never pull this off.

Recommend you read: http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/beginners-guide.html

You can complain all you want, but this is not a class problem. You choose to play the class a certain - inefficient - way.

Does it suck? Yes. I'd love to have equally strong builds with other weapon sets. However, that is just not the current meta.

NBs still have some broken abilities that - upon fixing - will slightly increase our DPS as well. I'd rather not the 'broken class' whines cause a buff that then requires zenimax to overnerf NBs.

SilverWF · June 2014

whiners will complain in the anyway...

SilverWF · June 2014

Nuitar wrote: »

That is a dual wield/dagger/stamina/bow problem. NOT a Nightblade problem.

Yes, I have 50 of each of those skills as well.

Agree
But seems like ZO will up Nbs anyway and they will become a monsters!

khele23eb17_ESO · June 2014

Nuitar wrote: »

You can complain all you want, but this is not a class problem. You choose to play the class a certain - inefficient - way.

Does it suck? Yes. I'd love to have equally strong builds with other weapon sets. However, that is just not the current meta.

NBs still have some broken abilities that - upon fixing - will slightly increase our DPS as well. I'd rather not the 'broken class' whines cause a buff that then requires zenimax to overnerf NBs.

The 'meta' crap you bring up does not justify *** poor game balance. Lets call a spade a spade. The 'meta' is a fotm build encompassing all classes, for several months now, leaps and bounds ahead of other playstyles. This ruins many people's enjoyment of the game and yes it is a NB issue (tho not exclusive to them) as the majority of players rolled the class expecting their character to rely on stealth, speed and blades to achieve optimal results. After all thats the damn definition of the class given when you create your character (with the preview model wearing med armor and daggers). It doesnt say 'but itll be inefficient' in fine print at the bottom of the screen.

As for overbuffing... Are you telling me Zenimax arent competent enough to implement a few buffs targeted at the underperforming builds while not increasing the power of the 'flavor of the whole game' build? Actually... dont answer that... you might be right.

SilverWF · June 2014

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

majority of players rolled the class expecting their character to rely on stealth, speed and blades to achieve optimal results.

And he is! NB able to slain every enemy in PVP very fast!

khele23eb17_ESO · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

majority of players rolled the class expecting their character to rely on stealth, speed and blades to achieve optimal results.

And he is! NB able to slain every enemy in PVP very fast!

Where does it say the description applies to PvP only?

fambaab16_ESO · June 2014

Looks like a macroing animation cancel grp. Welcome to TESO.

PBpsy · June 2014

Hlaren_shortsheath wrote: »

great for you. now lets talk about duel wield dagger stamina and bow using nightblades. they are the total oppisite of the sorcerer nightblade you have created here. and we do very very little dps and we die very very easy.

Nightblades have always been mages in TES lore. The actually 'wrong' way to play a NB is like a freaking ranger.

SilverWF · June 2014

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

majority of players rolled the class expecting their character to rely on stealth, speed and blades to achieve optimal results.

And he is! NB able to slain every enemy in PVP very fast!

Where does it say the description applies to PvP only?

It very viable in Pve too - he able to kill any equal mob much faster than any another class
But bosses can not be oneshotted! So you need help another classes!

You all chosen Burst-DPSer and now moaning, right?
You all wanna the same sustain DPS as Sorc or DK have, right? (even if you already have it if your hands grown right)
So you will agree if you will loose your burst DPS abilities, right?

SilverWF · June 2014

PBpsy wrote: »

Nightblades have always been mages in TES lore. The actually 'wrong' way to play a NB is like a freaking ranger.

I think everyone have noticed some mobs, called "... Assasin" - they ALL with duals and... robes!

Valn · June 2014

My stamina soft caps at only 2000

Valn · June 2014

I'd like to see someone with 53% weapon crit

SilverWF · June 2014

Valn wrote: »

I'd like to see someone with 53% weapon crit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k9lfjehN94

And it can be even more, coz here I wear 5 med and 2 heavy

Valn · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

I'd like to see someone with 53% weapon crit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k9lfjehN94

ok. Lets see a DK with stamina build have 53% weapon crit. I'm stuck on 8% right now with heavy armor and 1h+ shield. Any advice to raise my weapon crit?

Artis · June 2014

Ok so? Light armor mages do high dps. Everyone knows that.
Why create another topic? To tease NBs that want to use class skills and be competitive in medium armor and with physical weapons?

SilverWF · June 2014

Valn wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

I'd like to see someone with 53% weapon crit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k9lfjehN94

ok. Lets see a DK with stamina build have 53% weapon crit. I'm stuck on 8% right now with heavy armor and 1h+ shield. Any advice to raise my weapon crit?

Properly crafted sets of MEDIUM gear maybe?

xMovingTarget · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

I'd like to see someone with 53% weapon crit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k9lfjehN94

And it can be even more, coz here I wear 5 med and 2 heavy

Dualwield NB soloing a group public dungeon.. Nurrf the damn thing!

Sry silver, i couldnt resist

Tavore1138 · June 2014

Can we just officially christen this class "The Nightstick Class", acknowledge it is as powerful as any other dress & stick build and stop trying to pretend it has anything to do with anyone who wants to play a NightBlade?

Nice build and all that but tedious as hell.

Valn · June 2014

SilverWF wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

I'd like to see someone with 53% weapon crit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k9lfjehN94

ok. Lets see a DK with stamina build have 53% weapon crit. I'm stuck on 8% right now with heavy armor and 1h+ shield. Any advice to raise my weapon crit?

Properly crafted sets of MEDIUM gear maybe?

Thats the problem, you have to wear medium armor in order to have a chance at using the weapon abilities well

PBpsy · June 2014

This is what maybe is the max weap crit with DK
Go khajit 6%
Go full medium 21%
Go 2Xdaggers =2*3.5+5=12%
Go Thief 3% or is it?
~42%
Night's Silence adds 5%

47%. Weapon crit. If I didn't forget anything.

The_Drexill · June 2014

The answers on this thread say what I've said all along.

NB's arent broken, the players are. Most Nightblades are medium armor dual wield stamina builds, crying about their dps... Newsflash, no class in the game can make it work! Nightblades arent broken... everything that isn't Destro/Resto in 7 Light is broken!

PBpsy · June 2014

Valn wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

I'd like to see someone with 53% weapon crit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k9lfjehN94

ok. Lets see a DK with stamina build have 53% weapon crit. I'm stuck on 8% right now with heavy armor and 1h+ shield. Any advice to raise my weapon crit?

Properly crafted sets of MEDIUM gear maybe?

Thats the problem, you have to wear medium armor in order to have a chance at using the weapon abilities well

And all spell casters are forced to go light and use inner light unless they are nb and can squeeze many assassination skills and even then. What is your point?

PBpsy · June 2014

The_Drexill wrote: »

The answers on this thread say what I've said all along.

NB's arent broken, the players are. Most Nightblades are medium armor dual wield stamina builds, crying about their dps... Newsflash, no class in the game can make it work! Nightblades arent broken... everything that isn't Destro/Resto in 7 Light is broken!

Not really.Just are not viable for highly competitive Hardcore Craglorn Trial groups who want top times in the rankings. No matter what they will do there will always be build and approach that will work better for that type of players. That doesn't mean that everything else is broken. I do not mean to imply that the current situation can't be improved though.

Xsorus · June 2014

Every time I see a Nightblade talk about how class is a NightBLADE i'm reminded of the morons in GW2 who while bitching about Rangers (which deserved to be bitched about in that game for being kind of weak) would always talk about they weren't great with Bows compared to other classes and every single time it was always "We're RANGErs, we should be best at Range!"

Guess what..It was stupid then, and its stupid now..Quit with that NightBLADE crap

khele23eb17_ESO · June 2014

PBpsy wrote: »

The_Drexill wrote: »

The answers on this thread say what I've said all along.

NB's arent broken, the players are. Most Nightblades are medium armor dual wield stamina builds, crying about their dps... Newsflash, no class in the game can make it work! Nightblades arent broken... everything that isn't Destro/Resto in 7 Light is broken!

Not really.Just are not viable for highly competitive Hardcore Craglorn Trial groups who want top times in the rankings. No matter what they will do there will always be build and approach that will work better for that type of players. That doesn't mean that everything else is broken. I do not mean to imply that the current situation can't be improved though.

So you dont think a situation where one playstyle provides 30-50% more output than any other is broken?

VileIntent · June 2014

The_Drexill wrote: »

The answers on this thread say what I've said all along.

NB's arent broken, the players are. Most Nightblades are medium armor dual wield stamina builds, crying about their dps... Newsflash, no class in the game can make it work! Nightblades arent broken... everything that isn't Destro/Resto in 7 Light is broken!

We have a member in Entropy Rising who is pulling 900 dps with a stamina DW build...

but i agree with everyone here that animation clipping is a broken and cheap tactic that should be fixed along with the cheese in the trials like bypassing mobs.
IMHO - everything should die to pass to the next area.

i am super happy to hear that Haste is getting fixed. There is now hope that a high dps bow build can be made with the poison aether set.

Tannakaobi · June 2014

Nuitar wrote: »

Rotation is pretty simple. Start fight with caltrops. Resto staff / light armor.

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On the foundry addon on display, what's the stat in the top left corner represent? Three icons with changing stats, It's been bugging me for a while.

PBpsy · June 2014

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Every time I see a Nightblade talk about how class is a NightBLADE i'm reminded of the morons in GW2 who while bitching about Rangers (which deserved to be bitched about in that game for being kind of weak) would always talk about they weren't great with Bows compared to other classes and every single time it was always "We're RANGErs, we should be best at Range!"

Guess what..It was stupid then, and its stupid now..Quit with that NightBLADE crap

Most people didn't play a NB in any of the other TES game I think.
Some descriptions of the class from previous games.
TES1Arena Mage group
"Nightblades are those mages who have perfected their arts to help in
activities involving infiltration, spying, and stealth. They are much like
thieves, creatures of the night, able to use their considerable powers to
help them in their nocturnal activities. In combat, Nightblades receive a
chance per level of scoring a critical hit (3x damage). Nightblades can
pick locks about as well as Rogues. They also receive 1.5x their INT in
starting spell points"
TES2 DaggerFall Mage Group
'Possibly the most feared of the classes is the Nightblade.They possess many of the skills and philosophy of the thiefly classes,combined with the powers of the mage.Their natural agility and stealth.and their mastery of the school of illusion,means nightblades are seldom seen.Though their hand can certainly be felt.Effective nightblades have high agility, high inteligence and willpower.
TES3 Morrowind Magic Specialization -Light armor
"Nightblades are spellcasters who use their magics to enhance mobility, concealment, and stealthy close combat. They have a sinister reputation, since many nightblades are thieves, enforcers, assassins, or covert agents."
TES4 Oblivion Magic Spec -Light Armor.
"Nightblades are effective assassins and enforcers. Their speed and skills allow them to easily reach places most others could not. Nightblades dispose of opponents with a quick blade and Destruction magic. They are also skilled in Alteration magic, and are proficient in healing themselves. "

No damn blades mentioned anywhere. Stealth illusion based mages all the way. They had small weapons specialization but that did not defined them.