Campaign camped by one Vampire DK Emperor

blackweb

maholi wrote: »

I believe it is just a DK problem. As a former Templar Emperor, it felt like what zenimax had in mind. OP in siege.... but in a cool "I am the Emperor" way. But not overly OP against players. I have yet to see a DK Emperor who wasn't just plain God on Earth though.

This may be true. Thank you for your post.

Numeriku

Lol stop whining, we have already killed an emperor with 3 v10 guys, i think there might be some people out there who can do it with 2, if you cant do it with 16 people, i'm sorry to say, you need to learn the game mechanics better.

jaebdub

Funniest part about all this is he isn't even a vampire.

Avidus

FYI, I do not use a gimmick build, I am craft based character that heals in combat.
I do not even have all the passives let alone morphs and skills I want.
I use one skill bar.
I am yet to find somebody that can out damage my healing.

What this thread is, is a cry for help because you are incapable of winning, so you ask ZoS to change it so you can.

As for a lot of experience? Id say dethroning 2 emperors in a day, constant PvPing on multiple campaigns against top tier guilds counts as the most experienced anybody can get with this game.
Get off your high horse mate. Learn the mechanics better, learn tactics. And don't go crying because you cannot beat somebody else in combat.

blackweb

Avidus wrote: »

FYI, I do not use a gimmick build, I am craft based character that heals in combat.
I do not even have all the passives let alone morphs and skills I want.
I use one skill bar.
I am yet to find somebody that can out damage my healing.

What this thread is, is a cry for help because you are incapable of winning, so you ask ZoS to change it so you can.

As for a lot of experience? Id say dethroning 2 emperors in a day, constant PvPing on multiple campaigns against top tier guilds counts as the most experienced anybody can get with this game.
Get off your high horse mate. Learn the mechanics better, learn tactics. And don't go crying because you cannot beat somebody else in combat.

If Zenimax listens to you, this game is in deep trouble.

Avidus

blackweb wrote: »

If Zenimax listens to you, this game is in deep trouble.

I am not telling ZoS to do anything.
I am telling you to learn how to play.

If ZoS listens to you, we should just remove Open world pvp, and turn cyrodiil into a tunnel where you can only hit the next target in line.
And then we should remove skill lines and force people to play with the exact same gear and skills.

YOU and 15 other people are having trouble doing something.
and YOU think ZoS should work miracles specifically for YOU.

There are several people in this thread who have tried to help you, but as I said, you don't want that, you think you are above the people here and don't need help.
So please wipe your tears away, and learn how to play.

Zafu

Avidus wrote: »

What this thread is, is a cry for help because you are incapable of winning, so you ask ZoS to change it so you can.

What this thread is, is the result of one of the most grossly out of balance game I've seen in 17 years of playing MMO's. Either the daily player testing server community was terrible or developers purposefully decided not to listen; or both.

The entire "l2play" mentality doesn't work in ESO because the fact is, DK's own the day. Scorcerers are neck-in-neck with them.

Wouldn't be such a problem if the game sucked, but it doesn't. Game rocks but the lack of genuinely competent balancing makes the pvp aspect nothing but one frustrating experience unless you become that which you know should be fixed.

Tintinabula

Its always been widely accepted that emperors with buffs are like raid bosses ,yes? You have never heard of a 16 man not being able to take a raid boss?

NekOnOkO

I'd like to see a nightblade or a templar doing something like this... along with 1100 single target DPS in vet dungeons.

FENGRUSH

This is what happens when players think they are better than they really are.

Naw_Sunrest

Numeriku wrote: »

lol in Bloodthorn there's a DC DK emperor, we killed him with 3 v10, the main source of damage will be his banner, just roll away when he drop it and jump back in when he doesn't have a banner, eventually he's gonna be out of resource for you to take him down.

LOL

RazzPitazz

NekOnOkO wrote: »

I'd like to see a nightblade or a templar doing something like this... along with 1100 single target DPS in vet dungeons.

Willing to bet post NB fix we just might see this.

RazzPitazz

Im not going to say l2p, but maybe you should just take a step back from the whole "I know PvP" mentality. The reason I say that is because the entire post comes across as another qq/nerf/cantwin thread, which I am sure was not your intention. I know DKs are nuts, as well as vamps and the emperor is designed to be OP in nature. What I want to know is if your sorc got him so low by himself, what was everyone else doing? What were the healers/buffers/debuffers doing? What were your archers doing? It does suck that one guy can wipe 16 at once, and I am sure it is demoralizing. However I would assume there would be some form of Alliance chat communication going on on such as "enemy OP emp at x, need R->" or "enemy emp at x, rush other keep resources". Im not trying to cut you down or anything, I just don't get it especially since emperorship is one of the least complained about topics on the forums. But eff do I know?

RazzPitazz

Oh yea, almost forgot

blackweb wrote:

You cant have a lot of experience at the release version of ESO, it has been out for about 6 weeks. Do not pretend to be some sort of elite Cyrodill PvP expert with only 6 weeks of experience.

I will just leave this here.

Trenchfoot

Numeriku wrote: »

lol in Bloodthorn there's a DC DK emperor, we killed him with 3 v10, the main source of damage will be his banner, just roll away when he drop it and jump back in when he doesn't have a banner, eventually he's gonna be out of resource for you to take him down.

EU Bloodthorn by any chance? If so I think I know who you're talking about. Indeed they are easily enough killed when they don't happen to be permanently invisible. I would link a video for proof (in which they never drop out of stealth even for a single instant) but that would be "naming and shaming" which we're not allowed to do.

An example of how awesome this combo makes people think they are is as follows: my guild group were off on the Pact side of the map attacking a scroll group, holding them up and generally farming them. Then this Covenant Emperor (DK+Vamp) comes all the way to the other side of the map ALONE thinking they could take us out. Needless to say they died, many times and eventually gave up.

But the fact that the player even thought they stood a chance against an entire scroll zerg and an organised group attacking them speaks volumes about how over-powered the combination is.

Trenchfoot

Personally I think that being crowned Emperor should have no personal benefit, you are after all just one player among hundreds/thousands. Instead your presence should have inspirational effects for any of your subjects who are around you, translating in game terms to buffs and bonuses for other players in your vicinity.

Or if the proximity would encourage zerging then just have it as a passive buff for others on your faction, that way you wouldn't end up with people following the buff bot.

Sanguisaevum

You had a well geared sorc?

Then i know EXACTLY where you went wrong. This is what should have happened...

Dk vamp emperor charges your 16 players.
16 players chain root the vamp till he is out of stam.
Sorc pops null field
Vamp emperor is focused by 16 players and dies quickly.

Seriuosly... Null field is a hard counter to these dk emperors.

Armitas

Sanguisaevum wrote: »

You had a well geared sorc?

Then i know EXACTLY where you went wrong. This is what should have happened...

Dk vamp emperor charges your 16 players.
16 players chain root the vamp till he is out of stam.
Sorc pops null field
Vamp emperor is focused by 16 players and dies quickly.

Seriuosly... Null field is a hard counter to these dk emperors.

Negate magic can be broken just like any CC and then you can cast all you want standing inside it. Also DK's recover H/M/S with ultimate usage. I think there is a video with what 7 banners from one DK?

Armitas

@blackweb You may not want to xfer just yet.

limeli8

LOL people who are obviously bad claiming that they are good and complaining about losing to superior build/skill is getting so old now. 2-3 people can kill an emp or make him run without to much trouble (yes dk emp are hardest to kill and it can be a long fight ) being vamp often hurts them more than benefits them especially DK (silver bolt spam can be very effective because of a KD more than the proc even).

People are simply bad at this game and can't just accept that fact. Lol the other day i defended a keep on my vr1 dk alt vs similar group of 15-20 (lol lots of vr 2-6 no 10s though) and i bet they thought they were good at pvp as well. Why they got wiped over and over by 1 who was lower lvl than most of them? Because I had a camp to respawn at, because I bombed them always while having my ult charged when they engaged guards and because they were simply bad and didn't know game mechanics and the way most skills work. Purge/rapid maneuver clears tallons did they use ether? NO! Negate strips reflective scales and makes person use stamina to break it. Did they negate me? NO! And the biggest issue of all - ffs if I keep poping right back in after dying and bombing them over and over then find and burn the dam camp!
*Edited: Flame*

blackweb

Trenchfoot wrote: »

EU Bloodthorn by any chance? If so I think I know who you're talking about. Indeed they are easily enough killed when they don't happen to be permanently invisible. I would link a video for proof (in which they never drop out of stealth even for a single instant) but that would be "naming and shaming" which we're not allowed to do.

An example of how awesome this combo makes people think they are is as follows: my guild group were off on the Pact side of the map attacking a scroll group, holding them up and generally farming them. Then this Covenant Emperor (DK+Vamp) comes all the way to the other side of the map ALONE thinking they could take us out. Needless to say they died, many times and eventually gave up.

But the fact that the player even thought they stood a chance against an entire scroll zerg and an organised group attacking them speaks volumes about how over-powered the combination is.

Yes, vampire/vampire dk groups do not even think twice about attacking groups many times their size. No hesitation, no fear and most of the time, they win.

Hadlis

Infraction wrote: »

It was a combination of dragon knight and vampire not vampire alone. I still don't understand how 16 people wiped to a lone person.

People die to DK's because they try to melee with them and get *** by the standard. If you don't run around with a ranged weapon on at least one of your bars your wrong......I also think they should make "emp" an honorary title with a small boost to passives.

sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO

Avidus wrote: »

FYI, I do not use a gimmick build, I am craft based character that heals in combat.
I do not even have all the passives let alone morphs and skills I want.
I use one skill bar.
I am yet to find somebody that can out damage my healing.

serisouly?

This is pretty strange. I have resto staff leveled to 47, all passives except the last one which increases healing.(only one point there)

all active skills except of siphoning.

fully skilled light armor.

Wearing light set, bound armor and resto staff I am litteraly not able to outheal incoming dmg. No matter what I do as I die in 1 or 2 seconds(could also be problem with latency as server is still sitting in US instead of EU). I can keep allies alive for some time usualy, but never myself. And YES I also use blocking.

my level is now Vet1, but I bump into Vet10 in 9 out of 10 encounters.

PVP was fun during stress test as we all were 10-49 only few exceptions which made it to vet ranks. But those were so little that you did not realise it.

I did quite well with almost no skills unlocked, I was still able to KILL a player and heal myself.


Now... it is completely different story. PVP is overrun by Vet8-10 and whole boosted thing became a huge joke. Yes JOKE. When I reached bound armor with my level 42 sorc, I went to PVP to try it ou.

in PVE enviroment I had over 1200 armor while using bound armor.
when I entered Cyrodiil I actived bound armor and it was still at 700 which is "boosted" stat. Therefore my character was nerfed instead of boosted.

Vet rank on the other hand are not affected by this booser joke. They are absolutely OP over non Vet players.

Imho Cyrodiil NEEDs to make boost to vet 10, or introduce brackets: non vet campagins and vet campaigns.

heck I was even trying full plate armor with shiled. Charged vet 10 player, hit him few times with shield and did like 10% damage in total. Guy stood up, knocked me back, bashed me 3 times and I was dead before I even got up... over 1800 armor!!! and died in two seconds!

you can call me noob I don´t care. But I was playing several MMOs and I my ass was kicked that badly only when I was engaged by a lot higher level outgeared player.

but ESO claims that Cyrodiil PVP is playable from level 10, which I found as a pure lie. But of course if they meant that you can enter and serve as cannon food then ok they spoke the truth.

Rylana

blackweb wrote: »

galiumb16_ESO wrote: »

"To say the least, we know what we are doing in world pvp."

If you let one emperor drive you from a campaign, you do not have the foggiest idea what you are doing in world PvP.

Please tell us what you would have done with said Emporer.

Stayed at a distance of no less than 20 meters at all times, blasting away with silver bolts and various fire attacks. The only people allowed to get into range would be high defense DKs spamming standards and fire morphed talons to slow him down.

Could be done with, 2-3 people if they knew what they were doing.

For all the benefits of DK Emperor, there are extreme weaknesses to nail down as well, fire resistances are capped both hard and soft by strong diminishing returns, and the fighters guild line annihilates undead (vamps are undead).

You stay away from him because if you negate his ability to get people in his devouring swarm you negate all of his magic healing.

Even if he can keep the bats up 24/7 and tank a ton of damage, you will kill him easily by following these simple steps.

Oh yeah, I am AD and some of our guildies home on Hopesfire, I have literally never seen you before, just saying?

But yeah, kiting, fighters guild specials and passives, fire, crowd control, do not let anyone under VR10 with V10 armor ratings anywhere near him, dead emperor.

Oh yes, a healcut morphed sniper shot out of the bow line might also give him a hell of a wake up call when his healing ability is cut in half for 10 seconds.

Malvokian

FENGRUSH wrote: »

This is what happens when players think they are better than they really are.

But look at his long list of accomplishments! If he can't do it then nobody can!

Niminion

Every day I watch this happen with DKs aoe'ing groups of players and then they still have the resources to go 1v1 with anyone that is left over. I stand at range nuking for 5-10 seconds while the DK chews up all in melee, then I have to stop when my spells start to reflect back at me, then I get charged and killed in a couple seconds. Even in a 20 man vet group we get charged by a single DK and then must res 5,6,7 people after he finally goes down. Add this to dead and unbalanced Cyrodiil servers and ESO is bleeding pvp players every single day.

Bottom line I would never recommend ESO to anyone looking to pvp. It is a pve game and well done in that area, if you take your time to enjoy it and don't just try to power level.

FENGRUSH

Malvokian wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

This is what happens when players think they are better than they really are.

But look at his long list of accomplishments! If he can't do it then nobody can!

Hey hes played planetside, he knows how world pvp works.

Rylana

Niminion wrote: »

Every day I watch this happen with DKs aoe'ing groups of players and then they still have the resources to go 1v1 with anyone that is left over. I stand at range nuking for 5-10 seconds while the DK chews up all in melee, then I have to stop when my spells start to reflect back at me, then I get charged and killed in a couple seconds. Even in a 20 man vet group we get charged by a single DK and then must res 5,6,7 people after he finally goes down. Add this to dead and unbalanced Cyrodiil servers and ESO is bleeding pvp players every single day.

Bottom line I would never recommend ESO to anyone looking to pvp. It is a pve game and well done in that area, if you take your time to enjoy it and don't just try to power level.

Stop... trying... to... melee... a... dragonknight.

Triple the above line if its a vampire using the devouring swarm morph of batswarm ultimate.

Quintuple it if its the current Emperor.

How hard is this to understand.

The more people nearby the more he can heal.

GET THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM AND STAY AWAY. Range kite. Easy as hell concept. Apparently impossible for some people to do.

Rylana

Rylana wrote: »

Niminion wrote: »

Every day I watch this happen with DKs aoe'ing groups of players and then they still have the resources to go 1v1 with anyone that is left over. I stand at range nuking for 5-10 seconds while the DK chews up all in melee, then I have to stop when my spells start to reflect back at me, then I get charged and killed in a couple seconds. Even in a 20 man vet group we get charged by a single DK and then must res 5,6,7 people after he finally goes down. Add this to dead and unbalanced Cyrodiil servers and ESO is bleeding pvp players every single day.

Bottom line I would never recommend ESO to anyone looking to pvp. It is a pve game and well done in that area, if you take your time to enjoy it and don't just try to power level.

Stop... trying... to... melee... a... dragonknight.

Triple the above line if its a vampire using the devouring swarm morph of batswarm ultimate.

Quintuple it if its the current Emperor.

How hard is this to understand.

The more people nearby the more he can heal.

GET THE HELL AWAY FROM HIM AND STAY AWAY. Range kite. Easy as hell concept. Apparently impossible for some people to do.

Addendum - You actually want a small group for a DK/Vamp emp. Five man at the most. Seriously. And preferably fast movers.

buttclown69

Yeah when you get in close to DK, you are only helping them more then helping yourself.