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I just unsubbed.
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Vodkaphile✭✭✭TalisThermon wrote: »Aren't dealing with issue's, have PAID for positive reviews.
Congrats on admitting to everyone you're a liar and have no factual basis to your argument whatsoever.TalisThermon wrote: »i'm not surprised, they're money greedy.
Or maybe it's because these people run to the forums and break the ToS with completely idiotic posts like what I quoted above?
And even at that, what company DOESN'T want to make money? That's why companies exist: to offer a service or product in exchange for something, usually money. They aren't a charity, if you want to make a charity aimed at developing high level MMO's and giving them away for free, cool, let me know how that goes for you!TalisThermon wrote: »I'm pretty sure I'm not a pissed off chinese bot farmer. I'm an English man, who works and earns a living. A fan of video games, particularly the elder scrolls series, and MMO's, yet the pile of *** thats been released isn't worth £4 let alone £40, in its current state.
Zenimax need a wakeup call. Fast.
I and the million or so other players disagree with you. The game is great. It's been a rocky launch, but no MMO aside from Rift had a perfect launch. Mature gamers expect this, they anticipate it, so I'm sure that's why it's just a very vocal minority screaming on the forums about it, because mature gamers also dont do that when they have issues, so the maturation level seems to be the key link.
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n.englishb14_ESO✭✭✭TalisThermon wrote: »t
What's it like being poor?TalisThermon wrote: »
I don't know, can you tell me?
Earning 39k a year at 23 doesn't allow me that negativity!
39k is a lot? That has got to be after taxes and expenses right?0 -
crush83✭✭✭✭n.englishb14_ESO wrote: »TalisThermon wrote: »t
What's it like being poor?TalisThermon wrote: »
I don't know, can you tell me?
Earning 39k a year at 23 doesn't allow me that negativity!
39k is a lot? That has got to be after taxes and expenses right?
For a 23 year old, that's a good amount. Yes. Please, go on to tell us about how you were making 100k/yr at 23 years of age.
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TalisThermon✭✭TalisThermon wrote: »
What's it like being poor?TalisThermon wrote: »
I don't know, can you tell me?
Earning 39k a year at 23 doesn't allow me that negativity!
39k/yr is actually not bad for a 23 year old. You will be met with idiots who claim they were making 6 digits+ at that age, which is almost certainly a lie.
As previously stated, I work in software development, and was lucky and only got the job due to it being a family run business which happens to be very successful.
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n.englishb14_ESO✭✭✭n.englishb14_ESO wrote: »TalisThermon wrote: »t
What's it like being poor?TalisThermon wrote: »
I don't know, can you tell me?
Earning 39k a year at 23 doesn't allow me that negativity!
39k is a lot? That has got to be after taxes and expenses right?
For a 23 year old, that's a good amount. Yes. Please, go on to tell us about how you were making 100k/yr at 23 years of age.
I'm not gonna be a ***. Instead, Ill just say I got over the expected starter salary for someone with my major.(chemical Engineering) Heres a list so you could get an idea. http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2013/01/24/college-degrees-with-the-highest-starting-salaries-2/
But yeah.....never heard someone brag about 39k.0 -
Bunk✭✭✭TalisThermon wrote: »TalisThermon wrote: »
What's it like being poor?TalisThermon wrote: »
I don't know, can you tell me?
Earning 39k a year at 23 doesn't allow me that negativity!
39k/yr is actually not bad for a 23 year old. You will be met with idiots who claim they were making 6 digits+ at that age, which is almost certainly a lie.
As previously stated, I work in software development, and was lucky and only got the job due to it being a family run business which happens to be very successful.
Maybe you should put a little aside for getting a better computer, so you could, you know, actually be able to install games :^)idiot0 -
crush83✭✭✭✭n.englishb14_ESO wrote: »n.englishb14_ESO wrote: »TalisThermon wrote: »t
What's it like being poor?TalisThermon wrote: »
I don't know, can you tell me?
Earning 39k a year at 23 doesn't allow me that negativity!
39k is a lot? That has got to be after taxes and expenses right?
For a 23 year old, that's a good amount. Yes. Please, go on to tell us about how you were making 100k/yr at 23 years of age.
I'm not gonna be a ***. Instead, Ill just say I got over the expected starter salary for someone with my major.(chemical Engineering) Heres a list so you could get an idea. http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2013/01/24/college-degrees-with-the-highest-starting-salaries-2/
But yeah.....never heard someone brag about 39k.
Was he bragging? 39k is a comfortable income for a 23 year old. I was making 35k/yr at that age as a software developer. I'm making ~90k/yr now 10 years into the industry, but I also started before getting my degree.
And good for you if you are truly a chemical engineer and making good money. That's a solid profession, but don't diss others who aren't making the same amount of money. Software development pay grade has dropped dramatically in the last few decades due to an influx of new employees. The same thing could happen to your career.Edited by crush83 on April 24, 2014 9:31PM0 -
Darkro✭✭✭loled at OP post.
Having worked in technical CS, I can say that I love this kind of customers. They think omg stuff doesnt work, RAGEEEEE....when in effect their to dumb to actually and properly do the installation.
No one said you need to be a computer genius, but if you have problems, open a ticket or ask a friend that's better than you at this.
...but NAH, go ahead and rage, spew bullshizzle and cry us a river, instead of actually trying to get your stuff solved.
Good thing telling us your hard working to earn your money, cause DAMN you give up quick when faced with any small obstacle.0 -
TalisThermon✭✭n.englishb14_ESO wrote: »n.englishb14_ESO wrote: »TalisThermon wrote: »t
What's it like being poor?TalisThermon wrote: »
I don't know, can you tell me?
Earning 39k a year at 23 doesn't allow me that negativity!
39k is a lot? That has got to be after taxes and expenses right?
For a 23 year old, that's a good amount. Yes. Please, go on to tell us about how you were making 100k/yr at 23 years of age.
I'm not gonna be a ***. Instead, Ill just say I got over the expected starter salary for someone with my major.(chemical Engineering) Heres a list so you could get an idea. http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2013/01/24/college-degrees-with-the-highest-starting-salaries-2/
But yeah.....never heard someone brag about 39k.
Was he bragging? 39k is a comfortable income for a 23 year old. I was making 35k/yr at that age as a software developer. I'm making ~90k/yr now 10 years into the industry, but I also started before getting my degree.
And good for you if you are truly a chemical engineer and making good money. That's a solid profession, but don't diss others who aren't making the same amount of money. Software development pay grade has dropped dramatically in the last few decades. The same thing could happen to your career.
Just for reference, I'm talking British pounds.
In case you are American, 39k is roughly 75k a year, in dollars.
Beyond the point of how much I earn, and back to the original point. Zenimax are *** bags
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SuperScrubby✭✭✭LOL 39k at 23 is terrible. I was making more than that and I graduated college when the economy tanked in the US. I guess it all depends on what you do. It's tough to get a well paying job when you chose to be a philosophy major in this economy, at least in the USA.
Some free advice if you haven't gone to college. Go to a good school which means try harder in high school or go to a Jr. College. Get a real degree that actually has jobs in that field. Get Interships, boom you're making easily 60+k a year fresh out of college.
I honestly don't feel bad for college graduates working at McDonalds regardless of the economy. Don't go to college if you're in the process of "finding yourself" because you'll most likely rack up debt and still not have a well paying job.
But if you're happy with 39k a year then by golly you should be since you can always find a college educated person working at the grocery store. I've seen it.
Edit: 39k in GBP is actually decent at 23, if it was in dollars then ^ above.Edited by SuperScrubby on April 24, 2014 9:36PM0 -
Knottypine✭✭✭TalisThermon wrote: »I merely said I was unsubbing, I'm well within my rights to stay and monitor my own thread, correct?
Yes of course you are. In case you are unaware though, "Goodbye, I'm quitting" threads are against policy.0 -
TalisThermon✭✭loled at OP post.
Having worked in technical CS, I can say that I love this kind of customers. They think omg stuff doesnt work, RAGEEEEE....when in effect their to dumb to actually and properly do the installation.
No one said you need to be a computer genius, but if you have problems, open a ticket or ask a friend that's better than you at this.
...but NAH, go ahead and rage, spew bullshizzle and cry us a river, instead of actually trying to get your stuff solved.
Good thing telling us your hard working to earn your money, cause DAMN you give up quick when faced with any small obstacle.
Are you ***? Are you seriously, genuinely, medically ***?
Do I bother responding to your thick headed feeble attempt at a response?
I inserted the discs, clicked installed, downloaded the patches.
The game should work, end of story. It doesn't.
I tried the work arounds, followed the steps given by customer support, who were useless.
Now, aside from the many game breaking bugs, the technical side of things, optimisation, launcher, patches, etc, are also very broken.
Go dunk your head in a toilet you thick ***1 -
crush83✭✭✭✭SuperScrubby wrote: »LOL 39k at 23 is terrible. I was making more than that and I graduated college when the economy tanked in the US. I guess it all depends on what you do. It's tough to get a well paying job when you chose to be a philosophy major in this economy, at least in the USA.
Some free advice if you haven't gone to college. Go to a good school which means try harder in high school or go to a Jr. College. Get a real degree that actually has jobs in that field. Get Interships, boom you're making easily 60+k a year fresh out of college.
I honestly don't feel bad for college graduates working at McDonalds regardless of the economy. Don't go to college if you're in the process of "finding yourself" because you'll most likely rack up debt and still not have a well paying job.
But if you're happy with 39k a year then by golly you should be since you can always find a college educated person working at the grocery store. I've seen it.
Well no one should be content staying at 39k/yr. It's a good starting salary for a 23 year old. It also depends on where you live, and the COL in that area. If you are living in upstate NY or Silicon Valley, then no, it's fairly awful.
If you are living in the south, then 39k/yr is pretty comfortable for a 23 year old. Notice the constant correlation to age. As you grow older, what's comfortable changes.
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TalisThermon✭✭SuperScrubby wrote: »LOL 39k at 23 is terrible. I was making more than that and I graduated college when the economy tanked in the US. I guess it all depends on what you do. It's tough to get a well paying job when you chose to be a philosophy major in this economy, at least in the USA.
Some free advice if you haven't gone to college. Go to a good school which means try harder in high school or go to a Jr. College. Get a real degree that actually has jobs in that field. Get Interships, boom you're making easily 60+k a year fresh out of college.
I honestly don't feel bad for college graduates working at McDonalds regardless of the economy. Don't go to college if you're in the process of "finding yourself" because you'll most likely rack up debt and still not have a well paying job.
But if you're happy with 39k a year then by golly you should be since you can always find a college educated person working at the grocery store. I've seen it.
Son, 39k in british pounds is 75k roughly. 75k at 23 to you.1 -
crush83✭✭✭✭TalisThermon wrote: »SuperScrubby wrote: »LOL 39k at 23 is terrible. I was making more than that and I graduated college when the economy tanked in the US. I guess it all depends on what you do. It's tough to get a well paying job when you chose to be a philosophy major in this economy, at least in the USA.
Some free advice if you haven't gone to college. Go to a good school which means try harder in high school or go to a Jr. College. Get a real degree that actually has jobs in that field. Get Interships, boom you're making easily 60+k a year fresh out of college.
I honestly don't feel bad for college graduates working at McDonalds regardless of the economy. Don't go to college if you're in the process of "finding yourself" because you'll most likely rack up debt and still not have a well paying job.
But if you're happy with 39k a year then by golly you should be since you can always find a college educated person working at the grocery store. I've seen it.
Son, 39k in british pounds is 75k roughly. 75k at 23 to you.
It's actually 65k. And again, what's a good salary is relative to your locale.Edited by crush83 on April 24, 2014 9:37PM0 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭n.englishb14_ESO wrote: »But yeah.....never heard someone brag about 39k.
He wasn't bragging, he was defending himself against a toxic community member. And he's talking Sterling not the dead Dollar.2 -
n.englishb14_ESO✭✭✭@crush83
Guess i misunderstood. Heres hoping its smooth sailing from here on.
@squicker
It was a misunderstanding...and I'm not gonna argue about the reason the dollar is anything but dead.
Back to the discussion at hand. This isn't a hobby that is maintained without a good reason. If you don't feel any value in it thats totally up to you. Still, your situation is in the minority of the minority.
Edited by n.englishb14_ESO on April 24, 2014 9:44PM0 -
Dodece✭✭✭@TalisThermon
I understand your frustrations, but you aren't going to get anywhere, because you are being trolled. Think about it for just a moment if they really loved to play this game. Where would they be instead of spending hours on a forum. That is right playing the game they love. As the saying goes don't feed the trolls. Just ignore them, and report them.
The irony is most of the guys you are fighting with have probably already made the choice to unsubscribe from the game, and they are getting some laughs yanking chains on the official forums before they leave. Remember those who troll aren't genuine in their professed beliefs. They know this is a great place to find high strung people. Liable to go off at the slightest provocation. Basically a easy meal of free flowing hostility.
I for one hope the developer resolves most of your issues in time, because you seem to enjoy the game otherwise. Thus explaining most of your outrage.1 -
Bunk✭✭✭
That's funny because it works for everyone else :^)TalisThermon wrote: »loled at OP post.
Having worked in technical CS, I can say that I love this kind of customers. They think omg stuff doesnt work, RAGEEEEE....when in effect their to dumb to actually and properly do the installation.
No one said you need to be a computer genius, but if you have problems, open a ticket or ask a friend that's better than you at this.
...but NAH, go ahead and rage, spew bullshizzle and cry us a river, instead of actually trying to get your stuff solved.
Good thing telling us your hard working to earn your money, cause DAMN you give up quick when faced with any small obstacle.
Are you ***? Are you seriously, genuinely, medically ***?
Do I bother responding to your thick headed feeble attempt at a response?
I inserted the discs, clicked installed, downloaded the patches.
The game should work, end of story. It doesn't.
I tried the work arounds, followed the steps given by customer support, who were useless.
Now, aside from the many game breaking bugs, the technical side of things, optimisation, launcher, patches, etc, are also very broken.
Go dunk your head in a toilet you thick ***
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SuperScrubby✭✭✭I made an edit about the 39k thing, was my mistake for assuming it was in $'s and not GBP. Jumped the gun and laughed since I've personally seen tons of posts over my lifetime of people trying to throw annual income to justify their points or level of intelligence.
But back to the point. I understand the point about quitting due to frustration. I'm enjoying the game even with all of its pitfalls that you can read about in other threads. However I believe you should be able to get the game launcher from the website and install that way rather than using the discs. I don't know if that was the workaround you tried, but I've installed this game a couple times with the online launcher.0 -
dobrt✭To be honest, I cannot see this MMO lasting very long. The fact the same negative issues from other MMO's have shown up and the same MMO's attitudes (fanboys, immature, trolls) are being displayed on the forums, supports my conclusion.
I have also cancelled my subscription as I feel this product should remain in beta until such a time as the major issues are resolved. The main quest bugs, economy issues, logging issues, lagging issues, quest issues, bots and gold spammers, hackers among others need to be resolved before any justification of subscription should be asked for.
I find it extremely frustrating how the gamming community has become more and more accepting to the line "it's new, you should expect bugs". If the game did not have an alpha, then a closed beta, then an extensive open beta then yes I would agree. But, I guess so long as some are accepting of buying "broken" products other will sell them.
I have been patient, did my bug/bot reporting, found work-a-rounds, and ignored infantile play and forum behaviour and discovered I just did not find any justifiable reason to pay to continue with that trend. Given also out of 25 in the guild I joined only 3 will remain subscribed, I do not see a favorable future for the title. IMO Bethesda made a mistake allowing the Elder Scrolls name to be associated with this product.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TalisThermon wrote: »SuperScrubby wrote: »LOL 39k at 23 is terrible. I was making more than that and I graduated college when the economy tanked in the US. I guess it all depends on what you do. It's tough to get a well paying job when you chose to be a philosophy major in this economy, at least in the USA.
Some free advice if you haven't gone to college. Go to a good school which means try harder in high school or go to a Jr. College. Get a real degree that actually has jobs in that field. Get Interships, boom you're making easily 60+k a year fresh out of college.
I honestly don't feel bad for college graduates working at McDonalds regardless of the economy. Don't go to college if you're in the process of "finding yourself" because you'll most likely rack up debt and still not have a well paying job.
But if you're happy with 39k a year then by golly you should be since you can always find a college educated person working at the grocery store. I've seen it.
Son, 39k in british pounds is 75k roughly. 75k at 23 to you.
It's actually 65k. And again, what's a good salary is relative to your locale.
It's true. I was making bank when I lived in the midwest. Moved out to the west coast, with a pay hike and I was bleeding from the ears just to make ends meet.
Also, how is this thread still open?0 -
TalisThermon✭✭starkerealm wrote: »TalisThermon wrote: »SuperScrubby wrote: »LOL 39k at 23 is terrible. I was making more than that and I graduated college when the economy tanked in the US. I guess it all depends on what you do. It's tough to get a well paying job when you chose to be a philosophy major in this economy, at least in the USA.
Some free advice if you haven't gone to college. Go to a good school which means try harder in high school or go to a Jr. College. Get a real degree that actually has jobs in that field. Get Interships, boom you're making easily 60+k a year fresh out of college.
I honestly don't feel bad for college graduates working at McDonalds regardless of the economy. Don't go to college if you're in the process of "finding yourself" because you'll most likely rack up debt and still not have a well paying job.
But if you're happy with 39k a year then by golly you should be since you can always find a college educated person working at the grocery store. I've seen it.
Son, 39k in british pounds is 75k roughly. 75k at 23 to you.
It's actually 65k. And again, what's a good salary is relative to your locale.
It's true. I was making bank when I lived in the midwest. Moved out to the west coast, with a pay hike and I was bleeding from the ears just to make ends meet.
Also, how is this thread still open?
I live just outside of London and 39k a year for someone my age is very good.
Average wage around London is 30k a year for the average home owner.0 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭n.englishb14_ESO wrote: »@squicker
It was a misunderstanding...and I'm not gonna argue about the reason the dollar is anything but dead.
In terms of its low value and weak outlook now. It will rise again, of that I am sure. Don't know how long, but it's time will come again.
I think whilst his situation is a minority, I think it's quite a significant one. And ultimately ZOS should try to understand why they lose even a single player. If they choose not to act, that's up to them but they should be given the information.
If I ever end a service or choose not to buy something I consider it a matter of courtesy to let the vendor know the reason why. And I like the same feedback to come to me, as a business owner I like to see where I can retain customers.
So I think it was right for him to post here (there is nowhere else to put it after all) and I don't think it was right some quarters subjected him to ad hominems and trolling. After all, the post subject was clear, so one imagines anyone not wanting to read his tale would simply skip it, through the beauty of Internet forum subject titles.Edited by raglau on April 24, 2014 9:52PM0 -
SuperScrubby✭✭✭Almost everything is pegged to the dollar. When the US hit its recession back in 2008 the entire world felt it. Unless the United States disappears, gets taken over, or we go into WWIII the dollar will always bounce back as thats how business is done in many countries. Some countries have even ditched their own currency in favor of using the dollar to battle hyperinflation.
So when someone spouts some garbage they heard on the news about the dollar never coming back it shows that they are just repeating baseless claims and don't really understand the money market.
I know its a bit depressing knowing that Canada's dollar is almost as strong as the US, but it allows the exchange of goods to be more accessible as people in the great white north can purchase said goods easier.0 -
n.englishb14_ESO✭✭✭@squicker
From that viewpoint it makes sense, however; that assumes the feedback given is constructive. The vast majority of the Original Post is not constructive nor even feedback. Its venting. I can understand how he got to that point, I would be frustrated to. But venting is not helpful (and personally not my style).
That aside, it is clear what happens when a post based on pathos gets attention. (we are now 4 pages deep)0 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭SuperScrubby wrote: »or we go into WWIII the dollar will always
A distinct likelihood the way the US are playing ball these days! ;-)
The dollar has lost 50% of its value in the last 30 years, 33% in the last 12 or so. It was already on the way down before the crash and is now worth less in real terms than when the recession ended in 2009. But the £ or EUR didn't exactly escape unscathed!
However, you can view that either as it has been in terminal decline for 30 years, or as it has fallen so far in 30 years it has to rise again (a weak currency bolstering itself internally due to the items you raised). I guess the only wild card is there are now currencies in rapid ascendency that were not even on the map when the dollar had its hey-day 30 years ago, and it could be when the $ does recover the fiscal landscape has changed so much it's no longer that relevant.
It's anyone's guess but in the meantime I certainly enjoy cheap trips to the US and importing cheap goods from the US.
By the time we all recover the world will be run by Bitcoin anyway...Edited by raglau on April 24, 2014 10:06PM0 -
raglau✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, but we are all human. I would personally apply a filter to the more extreme elements of the post and try to see what he is actually saying, and I have to agree with the OP on a lot of what he means.
This is a fantastic game that from a design perspective is very good indeed. But there are severe management failings really letting it down and it's incredibly frustrating. The game could fail because ZOS simply seem incapable in the customer service and ongoing management arenas.
I'm not going to continue after the free month but will be back in 3 or 6 for a look, and hopefully - as with a lot of MMOs - it's looking like a far better game at that point. It's not unusual for this to happen with a launch, and I knew it was a risk to buy in immediately, but being a huge TES fan I felt I had to.n.englishb14_ESO wrote: »@squicker
From that viewpoint it makes sense, however; that assumes the feedback given is constructive. The vast majority of the Original Post is not constructive nor even feedback. Its venting. I can understand how he got to that point, I would be frustrated to. But venting is not helpful (and personally not my style).
That aside, it is clear what happens when a post based on pathos gets attention. (we are now 4 pages deep)
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We understand and respect that sometimes people will leave The Elder Scrolls Online community. TalisThermon, we thank you for taking the time to share your feedback with us and we wish you the very best. We're closing this thread now per our Code of Conduct policy on quitting/goodbye threads.0
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