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Veteran Dungeons are not fun and badly designed! (WAY TOO HARD)
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Currently veteran dungeons seems to favor aoe based dps group and the loot you get from veteran dungeons SUCK! I am a nightblade, duel dagger, my specialty is single target dps, it seems to me there is no place for me.
I suggest making veteran dungeons easier, for example fungol grunto should be for vt lvl1 people and drop vt level 1 items. Because what is the point in doing any dungeon if the reward you get is stuck at a certain lvl? and you are making the dungeons so hard, most people will only do it when they reach lvl10.
Zeinmix pls scale the difficulty of all veteran dungeon and have the dungeons drop better reward thank you!
One Final thought I am getting the feeling ESO is not really for the casual players, especially when you make dungeons super hard only super hardcore players will be able to beat it. I mean why would you do that? most people are not that hardcore including me who happens to play 14hrs a day!
Edited by GreatPlayer on April 20, 2014 7:37AM I suggest making veteran dungeons easier, for example fungol grunto should be for vt lvl1 people and drop vt level 1 items. Because what is the point in doing any dungeon if the reward you get is stuck at a certain lvl? and you are making the dungeons so hard, most people will only do it when they reach lvl10.
Zeinmix pls scale the difficulty of all veteran dungeon and have the dungeons drop better reward thank you!
One Final thought I am getting the feeling ESO is not really for the casual players, especially when you make dungeons super hard only super hardcore players will be able to beat it. I mean why would you do that? most people are not that hardcore including me who happens to play 14hrs a day!
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they are not to hard, and yes trash will allways be AoE focused down, get a staf for that, not that hard...
bosses need huge ST burst damage a thing NB are great at. but hey if you cant get to the first boss? well i dont know what to say other then L2P and stop trying to nerf content that is all ready faceroll easy...12 -
rusila22✭✭✭I totally agree with GreatPlayer . I just can't understand why did we have to kill trash and mobs really more powerful than a new vet 1 who he's still geared lv47-50. Really it's a nightmare it's frustrating and finally you told to yourself why am i WASTING my time here,in this dungeon for vet1 but all ennemis are r5
! Please zeni you really need to do something about that. A game is here to be funny not to make players angry ! i bet there are not many people who cleaned your dungeons because bug in dungeons+difficulty too high are just annonying. ty for reading me. Rusila CP :600
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Kronz✭✭✭It's meant to be a challenge. You have almost unlimited possibilities with all 4 of the classes to put together different builds for different situations. Perhaps your not supposed to beat content that offers vet 5 rewards when you are vet one. I for one like the vet dungeons and one thing I noticed is they really didn't put a ton of 'trash mobs' in between every boss. It seems like about 4 fights or so in between most boss fights. Some fights are single target and some are aoe. I am not sure how the thought of hey how can I get better and rise to this challenge has not come to your mind instead of making multiple posts about things being to hard and this is after you decided to give yourself the name "great player'9 -
Phaistos✭✭I beat two of the three dungeons with a random group full of VR1. It is possible.
I agree it is a bit of a downer to get loot (if at all) that is only wearable at VR5, but I can live with that.
I disagree with the difficulty. The dungeons are hard and that is a good thing. Figure it out, play smart and enjoy the experience!17 -
GreatPlayer✭✭✭I beat two of the three dungeons with a random group full of VR1. It is possible.
I agree it is a bit of a downer to get loot (if at all) that is only wearable at VR5, but I can live with that.
I disagree with the difficulty. The dungeons are hard and that is a good thing. Figure it out, play smart and enjoy the experience!
You are so full of yourself!9 -
GreatPlayer✭✭✭I totally agree with GreatPlayer . I just can't understand why did we have to kill trash and mobs really more powerful than a new vet 1 who he's still geared lv47-50. Really it's a nightmare it's frustrating and finally you told to yourself why am i WASTING my time here,in this dungeon for vet1 but all ennemis are r5 ! Please zeni you really need to do something about that. A game is here to be funny not to make players angry ! i bet there are not many people who cleaned your dungeons because bug in dungeons+difficulty too high are just annonying. ty for reading me.
THANK YOU!
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Silverion✭✭Just to sum it up. You wish that Veteran Lv dungeons become VR1 and not VL5 like they are now?
I never even get a random group to do dungeons as probably there is no people doing them at my VL2, there is a lot to do at my level so i dont have any problem with missing dungeons, but it will be nice to not have a Hole from VR1 to VR 5 where you dont have any dungeon that give you chance for a blue rewards of your level.1 -
CoUsT✭✭✭Based on what the title says... NO.
Man, stop it. If you are too bad to do dungeons, don't do them! Please, if you can't do them, don't ask for nerf... I want hard dungeons and I don't ask for harder one. It's mega balanced and soooooooo enjoyable.10 -
A.Ahammerb16_ESOSoul ShrivenThe difficulty level is just fine. Also had a hard time me beeing VR1 and most of the random group was as well, but we made it through. It is kind of a challange but that's what it's supposed to be.
I agree on the loot however. It's really frustrating to get nothing from a lot of the bosses after having a really hard time to kill them2 -
GreatPlayer✭✭✭Based on what the title says... NO.
Man, stop it. If you are too bad to do dungeons, don't do them! Please, if you can't do them, don't ask for nerf... I want hard dungeons and I don't ask for harder one. It's mega balanced and soooooooo enjoyable.
I am just advocating what is best for the game, and right now the game is heading towards f2p. Even thought I play upwards of 12 hrs a day I don't consider myself hardcore and I don't find super hard difficulty that don't offer up any great reward fun, and casual players like myself want scaled difficulty!Based on what the title says... NO.
Man, stop it. If you are too bad to do dungeons, don't do them! Please, if you can't do them, don't ask for nerf... I want hard dungeons and I don't ask for harder one. It's mega balanced and soooooooo enjoyable.
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liquid_wolf✭✭✭✭Dungeons are meant for higher level VR players, not VR1.
In Dungeons, group support is always better than straight out DPS except in a few, limited cases. You have 200+ points to spec with... use 10-20 of those to help your group out.
Keep your group alive, and it will be better than trying to shave 15 - seconds off a fight with your DPS.5 -
Mothanos✭✭✭And to it has begun....
The baddy's already asking for nerfs in their white trash gear thinking of rolling trough it like WoW dungeons.
Get decent gear, learn your class.
This is clearly a learn to play issue.
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SCSA✭✭Well yeah, that's what you get for pug running the veteran dungeons. Get a decent group going with teamspeak/raidcall or even skype and it'll be easier than easy-pie. (that's a special pie, you're very special too)4 -
GreatPlayer that names is a joke if you find VET dungeons hard...
iv facerolled the dungeons as a Vamp tank with a, well with a good group, yea i dont pug, for i dont want to waste my time with players that cant move out of AoE, or focus target Healers then casters then archers then melee and then the boss.
if you want to pug and have a stroll in a VET dungeon with a pug group, go play WoW or Rift, im sick of players like you that what to nerf content, when it should in fact go the other way and become even harder to complete these dungeons...
the 6 VET dungeons are there Endgame PvE, there is nothing else, after this you got no challenges left its "the end". A F... major problem if you ask everyone that are facerolling these VET dungeons, we have nothing left to do, and the game is only 3 weeks old.
i dont know why they did't include Raids in this game. but i know ppl will jump ship if this is it, they need to release Craglorn A.S.A.P.4 -
GreatPlayer✭✭✭Xanxarib16_ESO wrote: »GreatPlayer that names is a joke if you find VET dungeons hard...
iv facerolled the dungeons as a Vamp tank with a, well with a good group, yea i dont pug, for i dont want to waste my time with players that cant move out of AoE, or focus target Healers then casters then archers then melee and then the boss.
if you want to pug and have a stroll in a VET dungeon with a pug group, go play WoW or Rift, im sick of players like you that what to nerf content, when it should in fact go the other way and become even harder to complete these dungeons...
the 6 VET dungeons are there Endgame PvE, there is nothing else, after this you got no challenges left its "the end". A F... major problem if you ask everyone that are facerolling these VET dungeons, we have nothing left to do, and the game is only 3 weeks old.
i dont know why they did't include Raids in this game. but i know ppl will jump ship if this is it, they need to release Craglorn A.S.A.P.
And I am sick of player like you who are selfish and doesnt think about what most people want. Get over the fact, and this is there should be two difficulties one for the casuel and one for the elitist!Edited by GreatPlayer on April 21, 2014 8:54AM7 -
Tr1n1tySoul ShrivenThere is a Difficulty for casuals, called normal, just go normal Fungal e.g. maybe you can beat that?5
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what most people want
you base that on what?
Yes casual gamers are the majority but casual doesn't mean bad. my sister being the queen of casual like challenges.
Perhaps you should git gud
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you mean to tell me there are only 6 of the dungeons opened up to Veteran ranks? are you f ing kidding me? the have 16 friggin instances.... they only made 6 veteran? Ruhhhh rooohhh . and i thought the game would survive the 6 week exodus every launch has. development teams will never learn.Xanxarib16_ESO wrote: »GreatPlayer that names is a joke if you find VET dungeons hard...
iv facerolled the dungeons as a Vamp tank with a, well with a good group, yea i dont pug, for i dont want to waste my time with players that cant move out of AoE, or focus target Healers then casters then archers then melee and then the boss.
if you want to pug and have a stroll in a VET dungeon with a pug group, go play WoW or Rift, im sick of players like you that what to nerf content, when it should in fact go the other way and become even harder to complete these dungeons...
the 6 VET dungeons are there Endgame PvE, there is nothing else, after this you got no challenges left its "the end". A F... major problem if you ask everyone that are facerolling these VET dungeons, we have nothing left to do, and the game is only 3 weeks old.
i dont know why they did't include Raids in this game. but i know ppl will jump ship if this is it, they need to release Craglorn A.S.A.P.
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KiroElmarok✭✭✭I'd rather eat dirt and have to rethink strategies then get content nerfed. Look at WoW and you let me know how that worked.Edited by KiroElmarok on April 21, 2014 4:39PMDaggerfall Covenant - Dunmer - Dragon Knight4 -
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✭✭✭The main problem here is that these VR5 dungeons should not have been placed in the VR1 zones. The second set of VR dungeons are in the VR 2 zones. They should not be putting VR5-VR10 bosses in these low level dungeons. Ideally, the dungeons should scale to the average level of the players in the group instead of being fixed to certain levels.
For everyone claiming the VR dungeons are face roll easy, I don't think you understand the definition of the term. A face roll is something you can kill with a couple of shots with no fear of death. The bosses in the VR dungeons require several minutes of coordinated efforts to defeat and there is a significant risk of death the entire time. These bosses are not face roll easy. Just because you completed it, that doesn't make it easy. There are plenty of videos out there of PTS players struggling in the VR dungeons and those players have more experience and knowledge than anyone. I don't think many of them consider this content to be easy.
If you still insist these bosses are easy, please share your tips for clearing them and also share proof of the Speed Run Achievements you have undoubtedly earned given how these dungeons are so easy for you to complete.Edited by LonePirate on April 21, 2014 5:26PM6 -
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Major issue and a game killer. Gear drops are all VR 5 forcing you to continue to quest. Very poor planXanxarib16_ESO wrote: »GreatPlayer that names is a joke if you find VET dungeons hard...
iv facerolled the dungeons as a Vamp tank with a, well with a good group, yea i dont pug, for i dont want to waste my time with players that cant move out of AoE, or focus target Healers then casters then archers then melee and then the boss.
if you want to pug and have a stroll in a VET dungeon with a pug group, go play WoW or Rift, im sick of players like you that what to nerf content, when it should in fact go the other way and become even harder to complete these dungeons...
the 6 VET dungeons are there Endgame PvE, there is nothing else, after this you got no challenges left its "the end". A F... major problem if you ask everyone that are facerolling these VET dungeons, we have nothing left to do, and the game is only 3 weeks old.
i dont know why they did't include Raids in this game. but i know ppl will jump ship if this is it, they need to release Craglorn A.S.A.P.
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Keiffo✭✭✭If you clear each of the dungeons enough to get a full set of the gear you want (5/5 pieces armor) (3/3 pieces jewels) you will go from VR1 to VR5 in experience. It's what I done.
Oh, and the dungeons are all easy. If they are nerfed I will quit the game on the spot.
Not looking for another game full of baddies who want the best rewards while being a noob.3 -
GreatPlayer✭✭✭If you clear each of the dungeons enough to get a full set of the gear you want (5/5 pieces armor) (3/3 pieces jewels) you will go from VR1 to VR5 in experience. It's what I done.
Oh, and the dungeons are all easy. If they are nerfed I will quit the game on the spot.
Not looking for another game full of baddies who want the best rewards while being a noob.
Good pls quite and nobody will miss you! I am not saying the dungeons should be nerfed I am saying there should be two set of difficulty!Edited by GreatPlayer on April 22, 2014 1:12AM2 -
GreatPlayer✭✭✭LonePirate wrote: »The main problem here is that these VR5 dungeons should not have been placed in the VR1 zones. The second set of VR dungeons are in the VR 2 zones. They should not be putting VR5-VR10 bosses in these low level dungeons. Ideally, the dungeons should scale to the average level of the players in the group instead of being fixed to certain levels.
For everyone claiming the VR dungeons are face roll easy, I don't think you understand the definition of the term. A face roll is something you can kill with a couple of shots with no fear of death. The bosses in the VR dungeons require several minutes of coordinated efforts to defeat and there is a significant risk of death the entire time. These bosses are not face roll easy. Just because you completed it, that doesn't make it easy. There are plenty of videos out there of PTS players struggling in the VR dungeons and those players have more experience and knowledge than anyone. I don't think many of them consider this content to be easy.
If you still insist these bosses are easy, please share your tips for clearing them and also share proof of the Speed Run Achievements you have undoubtedly earned given how these dungeons are so easy for you to complete.
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PojunarfSoul ShrivenI just completed the speedruns of banished cells and spindleclucth with the following group: DK AoE destruction staff, nightblade tank, templar dual/bow, healing templar resto staff/bow (me) as VR3 to 5. We only have epic weapons, no epic set found in these dungeons. We're a guild group and have been doing all the dungeons together on teamspeak. It's clearly far from a standard pick up group.
Considering the total lack of written information about veteran dungeons, I might write some kind of guide for them (unless you point me to one). I understand that pick up groups WILL struggle to get through them. In a few weeks, even without nerfs, they should be able to clean them. People will know the bosses, know their class better and be more familiar with the game mechanics.
They can't be cleared unless most of the group knows what to do and how to play properly and it seems like a good difficulty for me. The only thing I can complain about about VR dungeons is the scaling : 3 dungeons for the first 5 ranks? I want more!
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Morkulth✭✭✭Put more time into your builds and figure what does good damage with a good amount of survivability. The dungeons are meant to be somewhat difficult since they are I don't know maybe "Veteran Dungeons?" Don't cry that they are too hard if you refuse to communicate.World First Emperor
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Kroin✭✭After reading that i decided to try that.
So yesterday with a random group VT2-3, we cleared Spindelclutch with 3 wipes, cant agree with you, and btw if you allready in VT lvls you play alot.1 -
GreatPlayer✭✭✭After reading that i decided to try that.
So yesterday with a random group VT2-3, we cleared Spindelclutch with 3 wipes, cant agree with you, and btw if you allready in VT lvls you play alot.
are you sure its not a normal dungeon? pls post video! also gettting whipped 100 times just to complete 1 dungeon is NOT FUN!1 -
Gisgo✭✭✭✭✭Thats why they are called VETERAN dungeons.
No offense but maybe you arent enough of a veteran to clear them with ease.
Which is understandable the game is so new nobody is a real veteran (besides the titles we are all noobs wearing noob gear).Edited by Gisgo on April 22, 2014 1:17PM3