Don't worry about that, he would have managed to escape soon enough anyway. It's another 800 years or so before you can actually kill him.not sure if I voted correctly, don t remember the names, but the old guy
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saved manimarco
The huge manwoman, the old fart, or the black guy.
Technically accurate though. You are an imperfect, soulless copy of your original (pre-murdered) self; ie, a remnant of something that was fully functional but now no longer exists.Last but not least, it really got up my nose the arrogant and condescending way in which he addressed me as;
"A degenerate or imperfectly developed organ or structure that has little or no utility, but that in an earlier stage of the individual or in preceding evolutionary forms of the organism performed a useful function". Look up the biological definition of 'Vestige'.
Yeah, I would agree with you on that one. There are numerous pokes and prods (some of them subtle, some of them considerably not so), that direct you towards Varen being the "correct" or "intended" choice.It feels like the game steers you towards this choice while giving you the option to do otherwise.
ThaLastProdigy wrote: »*Spoiler Alert*
You see Varen again when you beat The Orsinium Story...which means he is not truly dead.
ThaLastProdigy wrote: »*Spoiler Alert*
You see Varen again when you beat The Orsinium Story...which means he is not truly dead.
It doesn't mean that at all. How many quests are there in ESO that have you talking to ghosts? They're all truly dead. And for that matter, so are you, Vestige.
Varen
He's lived his life.
I chose Varen. It seemed to be a sound choice. He was the one that started it all after all.
Yeah, they are, most obviously the ones in Westtry, as the associated quest is called The Ghosts of Westtry. Ghosts of Glenumbra also indicates that other translucent NPCs are considered Ghosts, specifically referencing the ones at Glenumbra Moors and Cath Bedraud. That book also specifically states what ghosts are: Ghosts are the spirits of people who were once alive as you or I. When they died, they refused to leave.Are they all "truly dead"? Or, are they simply entities living in another dimension?It doesn't mean that at all. How many quests are there in ESO that have you talking to ghosts? They're all truly dead. And for that matter, so are you, Vestige.ThaLastProdigy wrote: »*Spoiler Alert*
You see Varen again when you beat The Orsinium Story...which means he is not truly dead.
According to Meridia, the Hero (Vestige) is only nearly dead and just beginning life after regaining one's soul. Varen will live on in the Hero's mind. The Ancients were far more knowledgeable about different dimensions and worlds than we are today. Some scientists of today have only recently accepted that the conscious mind, imagination and thoughts are real. They are energy that is tangible. The essence (for want of a better word) of a person lives on.
Please remind me; are the semi-translucent people, that the Hero encounters, ever referred to as "Ghosts"?
Yeah, they are, most obviously the ones in Westtry, as the associated quest is called The Ghosts of Westtry. Ghosts of Glenumbra also indicates that other translucent NPCs are considered Ghosts, specifically referencing the ones at Glenumbra Moors and Cath Bedraud. That book also specifically states what ghosts are: Ghosts are the spirits of people who were once alive as you or I. When they died, they refused to leave.Are they all "truly dead"? Or, are they simply entities living in another dimension?It doesn't mean that at all. How many quests are there in ESO that have you talking to ghosts? They're all truly dead. And for that matter, so are you, Vestige.ThaLastProdigy wrote: »*Spoiler Alert*
You see Varen again when you beat The Orsinium Story...which means he is not truly dead.
According to Meridia, the Hero (Vestige) is only nearly dead and just beginning life after regaining one's soul. Varen will live on in the Hero's mind. The Ancients were far more knowledgeable about different dimensions and worlds than we are today. Some scientists of today have only recently accepted that the conscious mind, imagination and thoughts are real. They are energy that is tangible. The essence (for want of a better word) of a person lives on.
Please remind me; are the semi-translucent people, that the Hero encounters, ever referred to as "Ghosts"?
Besides, Varen directly agrees with you that he's dead, and he says he's moving on to Aetherius. Like all ghosts, his spirit remained on Nirn while there was still something tying him to it, but as soon as that reason for remaining is gone, they move on. (A good example of this in previous games is the Forlorn Watchman in Oblivion; his spirit remained on Nirn until you released it by freeing his body from its shackles in a shipwreck.)
Yeah, they are, most obviously the ones in Westtry, as the associated quest is called The Ghosts of Westtry. Ghosts of Glenumbra also indicates that other translucent NPCs are considered Ghosts, specifically referencing the ones at Glenumbra Moors and Cath Bedraud. That book also specifically states what ghosts are: Ghosts are the spirits of people who were once alive as you or I. When they died, they refused to leave.Are they all "truly dead"? Or, are they simply entities living in another dimension?It doesn't mean that at all. How many quests are there in ESO that have you talking to ghosts? They're all truly dead. And for that matter, so are you, Vestige.ThaLastProdigy wrote: »*Spoiler Alert*
You see Varen again when you beat The Orsinium Story...which means he is not truly dead.
According to Meridia, the Hero (Vestige) is only nearly dead and just beginning life after regaining one's soul. Varen will live on in the Hero's mind. The Ancients were far more knowledgeable about different dimensions and worlds than we are today. Some scientists of today have only recently accepted that the conscious mind, imagination and thoughts are real. They are energy that is tangible. The essence (for want of a better word) of a person lives on.
Please remind me; are the semi-translucent people, that the Hero encounters, ever referred to as "Ghosts"?
Besides, Varen directly agrees with you that he's dead, and he says he's moving on to Aetherius. Like all ghosts, his spirit remained on Nirn while there was still something tying him to it, but as soon as that reason for remaining is gone, they move on. (A good example of this in previous games is the Forlorn Watchman in Oblivion; his spirit remained on Nirn until you released it by freeing his body from its shackles in a shipwreck.)
Thank's for the reminder.
Ref: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Ghosts_of_Glenumbra, makes it clear that Ghosts are not synonimous with other forms of undead or dead and that they are tied somehow to Nirn. They are responsible for hauntings and cannot move on until those ties have been broken.
Varen is not tied to Nirn because he has departed for Aetherius - the source of magicka and realm of dimensions such as Sovngarde - and therefore he is not a Ghost. The Vestige (and for that matter, the Hero of other Elder Scroll games) has travelled between Nirn and say Sovngarde. The Vestige is not dead, which indicates that travel between the two realms/dimensions is possible under certain circumstances. Varen was not killed in the classical sense; he is not tied to Nirn. I contend that he is not dead. He has been transposed, 'moved on' to another place, another dimension and time - or even a state of timelessness. He is alive but not in the sense as we know it or in the sense of Nirn's human inhabitants.
N.B. I agree with you regarding the Forlorn Watchman being a Ghost.
If I could sacrifice Abnur, I would in a heartbeat. The whole time he's existed, I've wanted to shove my blade of woe where the sun don't shine
Technically accurate though. You are an imperfect, soulless copy of your original (pre-murdered) self; ie, a remnant of something that was fully functional but now no longer exists.Last but not least, it really got up my nose the arrogant and condescending way in which he addressed me as;
"A degenerate or imperfectly developed organ or structure that has little or no utility, but that in an earlier stage of the individual or in preceding evolutionary forms of the organism performed a useful function". Look up the biological definition of 'Vestige'.
Right, and the very last time you see Varen, he acknowledges that Vestige is no longer an appropriate title, which is also quite symbolic.So many people hating on Varen, makes my heart hurt. He did try his best to fix what he had caused. And I would also like to add;We in the end got our soul back, it seemed to be our quest from the start. But we also freed so many souls that all became a part of us. I see it as quite symbolic.Technically accurate though. You are an imperfect, soulless copy of your original (pre-murdered) self; ie, a remnant of something that was fully functional but now no longer exists.Last but not least, it really got up my nose the arrogant and condescending way in which he addressed me as;
"A degenerate or imperfectly developed organ or structure that has little or no utility, but that in an earlier stage of the individual or in preceding evolutionary forms of the organism performed a useful function". Look up the biological definition of 'Vestige'.