Please remove the drops from public dungeon bosses

cromica81_ESO

lordspyder wrote: »

The fact of the matter is that ZOS has said that camping a public dungeon boss is considered harassment under the TOS. It is against the rules, now we need to figure out how to fix it, I agree with the diminishing returns, I think that would work best, you still got a few times to get that cool item before you are cut off.

Also just a side note, make sure you are reporting these tools, camping these bosses is bannable.

A link to this would be nice.

If they really don't want people to do this then they just have to make them *** just like like the instance dungeons.

Anthony45122

zytukin wrote: »

Where do you think the bots will go if they can't farm in dungeons? Some people will use bots to take advantage of *whatever* they can. If they can't farm the bosses in a dungeon (either due to diminishing returns or single loot drops), then they will just farm something else for money. Possibly even chests and resource nodes. Then what? Get rid of them or limit them as well like cromica81_ESO said?

If they start farming nodes, which some do in the starting areas due to the very fast respawn rates on these nodes and lack of monsters to attack you, they will likely use the teleporting method that these other bots are using. A player teleporting around the map collecting nodes/chest is much easier to detect than a player camping a public dungeon boss. In which case they will be banned much quicker. I agree the ultimate goal is to rid the game of bots totally but sometimes it takes measures such as changing the loot to these public dungeon bosses in order to flush them out.

Natjur

Greydog wrote: »

Put the boss on a timer. Once a player loots him they're locked out and can't even target him for an hour.

They has stopped 'normal' players from farming the dungeon bosses. If everyone in the dungeon has completed the dungeon (killed the end boss) It will not spawn. But the botters just have someone parked off to one side who has never hit the boss to keep it spawning.

No MMO has good 'anti-farming' code. But I hope they do find a nice balance.

Elvent

Bad idea.

Proper solution is to only allow loot/xp the first kill. After that you're wasting your time and they aren't bots.

reggielee

god no, dont change the drops from anything, plug the HOLE that allows exploitation by bots. If a player wants to spend hours grinding a dungeon for loot then let them so long as they are playing the character and not using macros or code to automate the action.

I already see the bots in common landscape harvesting mob intense areas, this will only increase if the loot is curtailed on dungeons. At least with dungeons I can avoid most of the cheating by not running them

cromica81_ESO

reggielee wrote: »

god no, dont change the drops from anything, plug the HOLE that allows exploitation by bots. If a player wants to spend hours grinding a dungeon for loot then let them so long as they are playing the character and not using macros or code to automate the action.

I already see the bots in common landscape harvesting mob intense areas, this will only increase if the loot is curtailed on dungeons. At least with dungeons I can avoid most of the cheating by not running them

Your wasting your time they can't understand this.

Greydog

Natjur wrote: »

Greydog wrote: »

Put the boss on a timer. Once a player loots him they're locked out and can't even target him for an hour.

They has stopped 'normal' players from farming the dungeon bosses. If everyone in the dungeon has completed the dungeon (killed the end boss) It will not spawn. But the botters just have someone parked off to one side who has never hit the boss to keep it spawning.

No MMO has good 'anti-farming' code. But I hope they do find a nice balance.

If you can't target it you can't hit it, which means you can't loot it either.

It can respawn as fast as need be for everyone to get their turn.

Laerian

Yes, after a long meditation, taking into account many pros and cons, the OP decided to ask devs to remove the loot.

Awesome

Natjur

A lot of people who where farming one 'quest' guy that instance repops and dropped 10 different type of purple items, have had the items gained 'removed'. Not sure how they handled that exactly. It 'appears' they only went after the players selling the 'broken down items' .

It would be nice if they did a full clean up, but that would just mean LOTS of players yelling on the boards. What ever they do, they need to do it soon before the markets are completely destroyed

rager82b14_ESO

Laerian wrote: »

Yes, after a long meditation, taking into account many pros and cons, the OP decided to ask devs to remove the loot.

Awesome

Correct, That or one time drop. I figure it would be easier to remove it until they make a choice on what to do. Before mats get out of hand.

cromica81_ESO

The day I can't farm loot in an mmo(one of my favorite things to do) is the day I quit.

I like how people have issues with this but nobody wants to stop the people that constantly log in and out to loot motifs.

rager82b14_ESO

cromica81_ESO wrote: »

The day I can't farm loot in an mmo(one of my favorite things to do) is the day I quit.

I like how people have issues with this but nobody wants to stop the people that constantly log in and out to loot motifs.

I don't mind you farming loot, but not at the rate that boss drop, and not like how it is now. It is not very balance, any one with common sense would see this.

With that being said, if they do change it, like i'm pretty sure they will. I'm sure you will be fine, and find other ways to farm.

cromica81_ESO

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Laerian wrote: »

Yes, after a long meditation, taking into account many pros and cons, the OP decided to ask devs to remove the loot.

Awesome

Correct, That or one time drop. I figure it would be easier to remove it until they make a choice on what to do. Before mats get out of hand.

How are Mats going to get out off hand? I have an add on that shows me were all the chest are I looted, I can run around and collect them all day and get more mats.

tengri

Boss locations need to be a little more unpredictable.
Each boss should have a set of different spots where he can appear randomly; far enough apart so that you cant stand still in one spot and reach more than one possible location with AOE effects.

Anthony45122

cromica81_ESO wrote: »

The day I can't farm loot in an mmo(one of my favorite things to do) is the day I quit.

I like how people have issues with this but nobody wants to stop the people that constantly log in and out to loot motifs.

Farming loot is fine as long as it is done in a way as to not hamper others progress or exploit something. The methods posted on this thread do both. You want to farm loot? Go farm the instanced dungeons or minibosses out in the world. These are viable methods of farming that don't hamper other players progress.
To the issue with the motifs. These are vanity items that give no benefit to a player other than "looking cool". People will either wisen up and stop buying them or the prices will drop to a price that makes it not worth it to attempt to farm these to sell.

cromica81_ESO

Anthony45122 wrote: »

cromica81_ESO wrote: »

The day I can't farm loot in an mmo(one of my favorite things to do) is the day I quit.

I like how people have issues with this but nobody wants to stop the people that constantly log in and out to loot motifs.

Farming loot is fine as long as it is done in a way as to not hamper others progress or exploit something. The methods posted on this thread do both. You want to farm loot? Go farm the instanced dungeons or minibosses out in the world. These are viable methods of farming that don't hamper other players progress.
To the issue with the motifs. These are vanity items that give no benefit to a player other than "looking cool". People will either wisen up and stop buying them or the prices will drop to a price that makes it not worth it to attempt to farm these to sell.

I am a full tank spec sword and board DK and I have never once missed a boss and not got loot so tell me how anyone could possibly have issues? Just pay attention and it's very simple.

fredarbonab14_ESO

There won't be any boters and gold sellers if there wasn't buyers (aka PLAYERS). Just like its a beautiful world, except for the fact there is a segment of the human race that are nothing but degenerates. Personally, I am staying away from buying or selling anything and just enjoy the trip from 1-50, with a few of my friends, and not worry about what everyone else is doing.

Anthony45122

cromica81_ESO wrote: »

I am a full tank spec sword and board DK and I have never once missed a boss and not got loot so tell me how anyone could possibly have issues? Just pay attention and it's very simple.

Players with lag issues, being on an instance with more than the normal amount of campers, players camping the boss using knockbacks and the boss dying so fast you can't target it. I could keep listing reasons how people could have issues with this. Just because you have not had a problem with it does not mean others haven't. Don't just call out people for not paying attention when you have obviously not thought out your question.

TheLyricistAlchemist

IronMaiden_burnout wrote: »

Fact is there are bots everywhere not just in dungeon bosses. they are plastered all over tamriel. Sadly its the community of slackers that keep them going. Many people are lazy and buy gold online to get an edge quick.

It's a vicious cycle.

aceofroars

timers, diminishing returns...
This will ruin more of regular player's life than hinder bots and goldsellers.

meh...

These bots work on the fact that the bosses spawn exactly at the same spot, because there is no targeting system.
if you make it spawn a different location (randomly over a certain area, along a path, whatever), those bots will stop working.
But yes, it will for a while, they will find something else eventually to make a bot farm for them. This will solve one problem, maybe only temporarily.

One option would be that once a player has been reported enough times, it gets stuck, immediately bringing a GM to investigate = Basically speeding up the report proces (one could simply move away a player a few meters, see if he keeps doing the same spells, or if he starts complaining :P )

Reporting for now is the best solution we have. Eventually they'll pay more in TESO keys than what they earn and have to stop I guess?

Anthony45122

It should ruin regular players that are simply camping the bosses just as much as it ruins the bots. If you are a normal player just running through the dungeon and killing the boss once it would not affect you at all.

cromica81_ESO

aceofroars wrote: »

timers, diminishing returns...
This will ruin more of regular player's life than hinder bots and goldsellers.

meh...

These bots work on the fact that the bosses spawn exactly at the same spot, because there is no targeting system.
if you make it spawn a different location (randomly over a certain area, along a path, whatever), those bots will stop working.
But yes, it will for a while, they will find something else eventually to make a bot farm for them. This will solve one problem, maybe only temporarily.

Reporting for now is the best solution we have. Eventually they'll pay more in TESO keys than what they earn and have to stop I guess?

Lol there is nothing that can be done to stop botting.

demendred

If they can make the bodies despawn faster after you loot them, I'd be happy.

I like farming items from bosses. Get good stuff to break down into things I really need. Or sell if off to the bank/bag slot gods to grace me with more space.

RMTs are a problem, yes. The best thing you can do is report them.

Anthony45122

cromica81_ESO wrote: »

Lol there is nothing that can be done to stop botting.

You must have a few botting accounts because you think these bots are gods or something. Sure you may not ever be able to stop every single bot, that doesn't mean they can't reduce the amount. Why else would you keep defending them?

cromica81_ESO

Not defending them at all. Been playing mmos for 12 years I just know the truth and thinks it's hilarious all the stupid ideas people come up with to get rid of something that will never go away.

Ps. I have never botted ever.

Anthony45122

I've been playing mmos for as long. I know you are wrong. I've played mmos that the bots made parts of the game unplayable, until the company stepped it up and got rid of them. At which point you might have been able to find 1 bot a day as opposed to 100 per hour. Companies absolutely can do things to cut down the amounts of bots in a game. If you had truly played mmos that long and weren't just defending these bots you would know that.

cromica81_ESO

Whatever man just keep living in your delusional world of no bots.

rager82b14_ESO

cromica81_ESO wrote: »

Not defending them at all. Been playing mmos for 12 years I just know the truth and thinks it's hilarious all the stupid ideas people come up with to get rid of something that will never go away.

Ps. I have never botted ever.

Just because you been playing mmos for 12 years does not mean you know what you are talking about.

Many features have got nerfed because it made botting easier. Right now, farming bosses for mats, is better than just going out and picking the resources itself. That in itself is bad game design and people are exploiting it to no end.

I do like the idea bosses should drop loot one time, but I doubt they would do it. Would be easier just disable the drops in my books.

Bots will always be around, but game play elements can change that makes it not as easy for them. I already sent emails, and feedback on it. So lets hope they listen.

Anthony45122

Honestly I don't know when this became a thread about bots anyways. Players that are camping these dungeon bosses are just as bad and are just as much a cause of the problem. The way public dungeon boss loot works now is unacceptable and will be changed. That is what this thread was about, a way to change the way the loot works by them simply not dropping loot. As i've stated earlier I would be much happier with a daily or one time only ability to loot these dungeon bosses. That would be my vote for the change to be applied. As i've spent far too much time on these forums already this will be my last post for now as I get back to enjoying the game. I hope you all enjoy discussing this further.

rager82b14_ESO

Anthony45122 wrote: »

Honestly I don't know when this became a thread about bots anyways. Players that are camping these dungeon bosses are just as bad and are just as much a cause of the problem. The way public dungeon boss loot works now is unacceptable and will be changed. That is what this thread was about, a way to change the way the loot works by them simply not dropping loot. As i've stated earlier I would be much happier with a daily or one time only ability to loot these dungeon bosses. That would be my vote for the change to be applied. As i've spent far too much time on these forums already this will be my last post for now as I get back to enjoying the game. I hope you all enjoy discussing this further.

I agree, but bots still are a problem with it. That is why I hope the loot gets nerfed, or at least find a way to stop it from being farmed like this.