Please remove the drops from public dungeon bosses

rager82b14_ESO

I'm tired of reporting bots, it is becoming a chore.

cromica81_ESO

The drops are the only good thing about them

knightblaster

Seems extreme. They could allow them to be looted once, or put them on a long timer (perhaps daily) and accomplish the same goal.

Anthony45122

Skyshards, quests, and achvs are the only reason I run them, I could care less about if I get loot from the boss at the end or not.

cromica81_ESO

Anthony45122 wrote: »

Skyshards, quests, and achvs are the only reason I run them, I could care less about if I get loot from the boss at the end or not.

Then go in get what you want and leave. Stop trying to ruin it for us that enjoy the loot

Anthony45122

But I would prefer them dropping no loot rather than have bots or other players for that matter camping them and not letting others get loot.

rager82b14_ESO

Ok, have them being looted once, or make the drops so rare that farming them would be a waste of time. Bots are getting out of hand, and reporting them is just becoming a chore.

Nox_Aeterna

Anthony45122 wrote: »

But I would prefer them dropping no loot rather than have bots or other players for that matter camping them and not letting others get loot.

So let me get this right , you prefer nobody gets loot , since you have a hard time getting it ...

Nice...

Well , even with 10+ player camping , atleast 90% of the time i get loot , it only takes me one skill to hit.

Natjur

They added unique items (only can have one in your inventory at a time)
They said they were going to add diminishing returns. (The chance of good loot gets lower over time) but that is not in yet.

Also most are farming soul stones, as some bosses ALWAYS drop theses and they sell well. The need to add more anti-farming code.

But there are worse spots then the Public Dungeon Bosses. There is one boss that is spawning every 2 seconds and drops 10 different purple unique items. But its farmed by 10+ people 24/7 so you will not even be able to HIT the mob once.

Anthony45122

Excuse me? You said the drops are the only good thing about them. I was simply proving you wrong. Don't act like i'm trying to ruin anything.

cromica81_ESO

It's an mmo farming loot is part of the fun

MysticAura

Please do not remove the loot from bosses. Even with people camping I still manage to eventually get loot from them after a couple of tries, which is better than if they removed it all together.

What needs removing is the campers. A few times is understandable but some stay for hours and that is what's causing the biggest issues. Optional instancing could also remove the issue.

Anthony45122

I get loot everytime I go to a public dungeon. So don't act like i'm mad because i'm not getting stuff. Yes I would rather no one get loot rather than let bots sit there and camp them forever. I would be more in favor of a one time only loot or a daily loot system for them though.

cromica81_ESO

Hell let's remove the treasure chests and resource nodes so bots can't get them either

Anthony45122

cromica81_ESO wrote: »

He'll let's remove the treasure chests and resource nodes so bots can't get them either

Do you see bots camping and taking every chest/resource node? No, because it doesn't happen. Do you see bots camping every public dungeon? Yes, because it does happen. There is a problem here and to deny it or make absurd comments like this does not help anything. As one person stated they have already changed the loot to them because they were aware this is a problem. The change they implemented is not enough though because it is still a problem. Just because you like something in the game doesn't mean that it is good for the game.

rager82b14_ESO

cromica81_ESO wrote: »

Hell let's remove the treasure chests and resource nodes so bots can't get them either

Now you are just acting childish.

So sure lets make crafting pointless by letting them farm stuff easily. Heck that is fine. Crafting should not be heavy focus of a mmo any way right?

economy!? Who needs that, lets trash it before it even gets started!

cromica81_ESO

Anthony45122 wrote: »

cromica81_ESO wrote: »

He'll let's remove the treasure chests and resource nodes so bots can't get them either

Do you see bots camping and taking every chest/resource node? No, because it doesn't happen. Do you see bots camping every public dungeon? Yes, because it does happen. There is a problem here and to deny it or make absurd comments like this does not help anything. As one person stated they have already changed the loot to them because they were aware this is a problem. The change they implemented is not enough though because it is still a problem. Just because you like something in the game doesn't mean that it is good for the game.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad. You will never get rid of bots you change this and they move to something else to think other wise is just idiotic.

cromica81_ESO

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

cromica81_ESO wrote: »

Hell let's remove the treasure chests and resource nodes so bots can't get them either

Now you are just acting childish.

So sure lets make crafting pointless by letting them farm stuff easily. Heck that is fine. Crafting should not be heavy focus of a mmo any way right?

economy!? Who needs that, lets trash it before it even gets started!

Crafting is already pointless with people swapping the cheapest things to make to level the fastest.

Anthony45122

Yes because no companies have ever lowered the number of bots in their game by fixing something! That's just crazy talk! Of course SOME bots will move to other things, things like teleporting to nodes to collect them, which is MUCH easier to detect as botting than a player camping a public dungeon. I don't think it's bad I know it's bad and there are multiple other threads stating the same concerns that are stated here. If the company tries to fix something, they are aware that it is bad and is a problem and needs to be fixed. To your last statement... Just wow.... So you think that it's better to leave bots unchecked? To do nothing about them and let them ruin a game? Come on. Now THAT is idiotic.

brainasium

Yeah the camping is pretty much out of control. I have NO problem with them implementing diminishing returns, in fact I encourage it. You get top loot the first couple of kills then greens, then vendor trash. You can get the best loot again but only after x number of hours have passed.

Anthony45122

cromica81_ESO wrote: »

Crafting is already pointless with people swapping the cheapest things to make to level the fastest.

Just because people found a more efficient way to lvl doesn't make it pointless. Say you're lvl 50 with maxed Blacksmithing. You find a blue or purple item you really like but it's a tad worse than your current item. You upgrade it to purple or gold and bam, it's now better than the item you're currently using. That is only one example, I could list so many more. You should just move on man because nothing you say makes any sense.

cromica81_ESO

Are they annoying yes but if you can still go in and do everything you want to do haw are they ruining the game?

If you say immersion I am going to laugh.

Jadeviper1974

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

I'm tired of reporting bots, it is becoming a chore.

Removing the drops isn't the answer. Why punish the community for the actions of a few. The answer is to improve the game code on the back side and taking care of the bots.

Anthony45122

Because the bots cause an influx of items into the game. There are more tannins, blues, soul gems, etc in the game because of these bots camping them. This causes the price of these items to drop because they become so common. This ruins the economy of a game which is a huge part of a mmo.

Coggage

I agree with the people who suggested the dungeon boss only dropping the loot once per character. It's a nice, easy solution.

cromica81_ESO

Farming mobs that always drop loot is also just a more efficient to do things.

The reason we have guild stores and not an ah is so the bots can't ruin the economy.

Anthony45122

Botting and camping a boss possibly making others miss out on loot/achvs is more than just an efficient way to do something, it is hindering others progress and hurting the economy of the game. The huge cut the guild stores take as a money sink makes a lot of players stay away from guild stores. Which is one of the reasons zone chat is constantly full of WTS, WTB. Just because there is no global ah doesn't mean the bots don't hurt the economy.

IronMaiden_burnout

Fact is there are bots everywhere not just in dungeon bosses. they are plastered all over tamriel. Sadly its the community of slackers that keep them going. Many people are lazy and buy gold online to get an edge quick.

zytukin

Anthony45122 wrote: »

cromica81_ESO wrote: »

He'll let's remove the treasure chests and resource nodes so bots can't get them either

Do you see bots camping and taking every chest/resource node? No, because it doesn't happen.

Where do you think the bots will go if they can't farm in dungeons? Some people will use bots to take advantage of *whatever* they can. If they can't farm the bosses in a dungeon (either due to diminishing returns or single loot drops), then they will just farm something else for money. Possibly even chests and resource nodes. Then what? Get rid of them or limit them as well like cromica81_ESO said?

Need to make a way to eliminate the bots or severely hinder them instead of just pushing them somewhere else.

I've played a few games where the screen would shift slowly to the left or right so if a bot was running it would eventually be off target and couldn't farm. Maybe that could be done here? Would need to make the adjustment and direction variable (including looking up/down) so it can't easily be compensated for. Or maybe if a players char doesn't physically move from their x/y position after x mins they get auto disconnected (similar to disconnect via inactivity).

lordspyder

The fact of the matter is that ZOS has said that camping a public dungeon boss is considered harassment under the TOS. It is against the rules, now we need to figure out how to fix it, I agree with the diminishing returns, I think that would work best, you still got a few times to get that cool item before you are cut off.

Also just a side note, make sure you are reporting these tools, camping these bosses is bannable.

Greydog

Put the boss on a timer. Once a player loots him they're locked out and can't even target him for an hour.