So it has really come to this?

Ariane

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

How about taking the fun out of players pretending to be vampire/wolf hunters? Are they killing them for profit, or for fun/roleplaying?

There are ways around this, and there isn't a reason for this to be reportable.

I reported that part specifically because it's hypocritical. Youre deciding to take away their fun/access to roleplaying.

Well, that's not true. They are not hunting vampires/werewolves. As I said, each action by itself it's not harmful, because being a hunter it's perfectly ok, but it doesn't make sense to be a vampire hunter while converting other people for money. It's a contradiction and it's is an abuse of the system. These people are exploiting a resource and getting benefits in a harmful way for other players.

I think it's ok to sell and role-play, but I don't think that can justify an abuse. If it were for fun, they wouldn't charge other players for it; also, benefits obtained with abuses are usually penalized.

PD. I'm sorry if I cannot explain myself better, english it's not my mother tongue

TeRyn

MichaelD wrote: »

I guess none of you have played EVE online... where whole guilds prevent you to go to certain "whole areas".
This is what Megaservers do... they attract like-minded people and then those people are forming guilds and before you know it, they run all kinds of griefing.
It was bound to happen at some point, this is how you break the game and the rules.
I wouldn't expect perma-bans however...

Did you just compare EVE as the samething as this?

Seriously my brain just came to a screeching halt.

What you just said is like saying a faction holding a keep in PvP is griefing you because you cant go inside.

Shimond

TeRyn wrote: »

What you just said is like saying a faction holding a keep in PvP is griefing you because you cant go inside.

That's the difference that makes the comparison fail.

Elvent

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, everyone. We're looking into it now.

YAY! Here have 5 internets!

TeRyn

Shimond wrote: »

TeRyn wrote: »

What you just said is like saying a faction holding a keep in PvP is griefing you because you cant go inside.

That's the difference that makes the comparison fail.

No, because EVE IS PvP. Its a sandbox made specifically for a target group of players. The fact you didnt understand my comparison is fail.

Vikova

TeRyn wrote: »

No, because EVE IS PvP. Its a sandbox made specifically for a target group of players. The fact you didnt understand my comparison is fail.

To be nitpicky about it, nullsec is made specifically for a target group of players. You can survive just fine without PvP in EVE.

SadisticSavior

Omar_Comin wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, everyone. We're looking into it now.

@ZOS_GinaBruno does this mean you will be looking into the death threats, (rhymes with grape) threats and other forms of abuse that has been used in public and private channels to those that are killing spawns, those who are suspected of killing spawns, and those who are claiming to kill spawns?

I'd like to know which is the more serious issue to be dealt with, killing a mob in a videogame or threatening to hunt someone down in real life and kill them.

People behaving like *** are being oppressed? LOL, cry me a river.

Shimond

TeRyn wrote: »

No, because EVE IS PvP. Its a sandbox made specifically for a target group of players. The fact you didnt understand my comparison is fail.

I guess I didn't understand it, you're right. Either way, I think EVE comparisons to this game aren't going to work well and maybe that was your overall point.

Kingslayer

Simple fix, make it a quest or whatever and instance it that way it prevents this.

Catsocks

SadisticSavior wrote: »

Omar_Comin wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, everyone. We're looking into it now.

@ZOS_GinaBruno does this mean you will be looking into the death threats, (rhymes with grape) threats and other forms of abuse that has been used in public and private channels to those that are killing spawns, those who are suspected of killing spawns, and those who are claiming to kill spawns?

I'd like to know which is the more serious issue to be dealt with, killing a mob in a videogame or threatening to hunt someone down in real life and kill them.

People behaving like *** are being oppressed? LOL, cry me a river.

What's it like being a bad person?

Omar_Comin

SadisticSavior wrote: »

People behaving like *** are being oppressed? LOL, cry me a river.

Glad to know you advocate sexual assault and murder.

phreatophile

There's a difference between getting yelled at, and another using death/*** threats against a person over behavior they don't like. No one is complaining about getting yelled at by real mad players, it's just hypocritical to want people banned only to continually threaten them bodily harm and think it's entirely okay.

Downplaying those threats as not serious is just another way to excuse the behavior. Both facts, that unsurprisingly, you don't understand.

Oh, I understand, you want to treat impotent threats in zone chat as though they are real credible threats of bodily harm to try and change the subject as if one offence excuses the other. I'm sure the moderators can walk and chew gum so both the threats and the bite racket will be looked at.

I personally, made no threats, nor do I nor anybody else here accept any blame for those who did. I did and still do think it ironic that now we're talking about threats that nobody even brought up until a ZOS Moderator told us they were looking in to a bunch of people fang-blocking other players for profit.

In either case ZOS, will settle this down, and the people making the threats will likely face the greater punishment than the rest, since threats are an explicit breach of TOS while being a jerk is a little more grey, which is just fine.

Catsocks

When did I ever excuse either behavior? Sorry you got called out for "bad opinions" and are now trying to scramble towards some straw man to bust.

Vikova

Definitely time to bail on this thread.

/o/

phreatophile

Catsocks wrote: »

When did I ever excuse either behavior? Sorry you got called out for "bad opinions" and are now trying to scramble towards some straw man to bust.

Fair enough, looking back at the thread, you did not, in fact, excuse either behavior, others did that. But as to straw men and "bad opinions", I didn't excuse the threats or the scamming either. I still don't think it rises to the level of being "a bad person" or to quote another "advocat(ing) sexual assault and murder" in any realistic sense.

LazerusKI

MercyKilling wrote: »

LazerusKI wrote: »

selling a bite isn't an offense, thats just a usual trade,

Except selling bites is what's promoting the spawn camping in the first place. How can you sell something that can be gained for free? I'd always pick the free way to do things, unless the option to get it for free no longer exists.

Just for the record, I'm not after a vamp bite or werewolf bite. No desire to be a WoD reject or Twilight sparklepire.....but I -am- for everyone having the chance to be their favorite romanticized monster.

Bottom line, no ifs ands or buts: Selling bites isn't justifiable in any way, shape or form.

isnt it the same with farming bosses? i could start killing all the lowlevel bosses alone, so that no one gets the archivement. would that be different?

the problem is not that some players sell or buy a bite, the problem are those players who want to ruin the fun of others to profit from it.

i absolutley dont like the idea of random spawning mobs.
the amount of lowlevel players in these zones is way to high, and then they complain that they cant finish the quest with level 3!!!
Maybe it would be better if there would be a quest where you can get infected too, so that no one can force you to buy it by killing them all.

SadisticSavior

Omar_Comin wrote: »

Glad to know you advocate sexual assault and murder.

ORLY? How many sexual assaults and murders have occurred between ESO players so far?

I know there are probably tons, so just list the top 5 since launch. kthx.

SadisticSavior

Catsocks wrote: »

What's it like being a bad person?

I have no first hand experience. You'd have to ask the griefers.

MercyKilling

LazerusKI wrote: »

MercyKilling wrote: »

LazerusKI wrote: »

selling a bite isn't an offense, thats just a usual trade,

Except selling bites is what's promoting the spawn camping in the first place. How can you sell something that can be gained for free? I'd always pick the free way to do things, unless the option to get it for free no longer exists.

Just for the record, I'm not after a vamp bite or werewolf bite. No desire to be a WoD reject or Twilight sparklepire.....but I -am- for everyone having the chance to be their favorite romanticized monster.

Bottom line, no ifs ands or buts: Selling bites isn't justifiable in any way, shape or form.

isnt it the same with farming bosses? i could start killing all the lowlevel bosses alone, so that no one gets the archivement. would that be different?

the problem is not that some players sell or buy a bite, the problem are those players who want to ruin the fun of others to profit from it.

It is indeed the same as farming bosses...WHEN IT INTERFERES WITH ANOTHER PERSON'S PROGRESS OR ENJOYMENT OF THE GAME.
Seriously, I can't believe you(the broad use of the word you, not singling anyone out)have a hard time understanding this. It's not a single player game, and there are other people playing and paying. They have every right you think that you alone have.

The problem IS that people are selling bites. It promotes the other behavior. "Why let someone get it for free when I can sell it like everyone else is doing".

Someone posted a most elegant solution....make it so player characters CANNOT infect other player characters. BAM. Kick in the jibblies.

Vikova

MercyKilling wrote: »

Kick in the jibblies.

It's all about the jibblies.

liquid_wolf

ShadowOfOblivion wrote: »

So what if we work and the so called "prime time" is the actual time we have to enjoy the game? Can't they just make the spawn a quest giver (and every night both WW and VAMP) but do it like now and not after two months?

Those were suggestions. Throw some more out there instead of finding a problem with every possible solution.

Get a lucky rabbit's foot.
Pray to six different deities.
Go to sleep right after work, and wake up in the middle/early morning to try and get it.
Join the EU server so you can have different hours than the majority there.

There are probably a hundred times in a week you can get bit at... ONE of them is bound to work and you can work it into your schedule.

It isn't easy, but apparently it is worth it enough to warrant griping about it on a forum. It's probably worth it to squeeze in an hour or two in some non-traditional time.

Kiwi

why dont they just pvp flag people who transform?

that would make great opportunities for some openworld pvp

pack of wolves vs pack of twilighteenies vs general population

hah 9/10 would play

Vikova

Kiwi wrote: »

why dont they just pvp flag people who transform?

that would make great opportunities for some openworld pvp

pack of wolves vs pack of twilighteenies vs general population

hah 9/10 would play

I still think open world PvP with orcs vs. everyone else would be awesome.

AlienSlof

Thank goodness it isn't. Not all of us have any interest in PvP.

Elencha

AlienSlof wrote: »

Thank goodness it isn't. Not all of us have any interest in PvP.

This. Twice.

Orchish

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Wanted to try the vampire questline, and each night there is guilds camping them and charging people 10k gold for a bite. Some are just doing it to irk people.

Ah the joys of a elder scroll mmo.

Only 10k? It was 40k last i heard on EU server.

cubansyrusb16_ESO

We have conversion guilds on the EU, I am currently an Alpha wolf in our guild that means im a biter, we bite all our members who show loyalty to the pack or those who serve with time for FREE.

MasterSpatula

Wow. This thread has been a perfect illustration of the rule that no matter how despicable the in-game behavior, there's always someone out there willing to call people whiners for having a problem with it.

fry150

AlienSlof wrote: »

Thank goodness it isn't. Not all of us have any interest in PvP.

same here.

DanteYoda

RakeWorm wrote: »

Elixx wrote: »

when i got my bite, i killed one of the bloodfiends, and left the other 2, calling out in zone if anyone wanted to find em. This game has just sutch a bad community tbh. I belive pople are thinking ok i wont be long in this bugged down laggy game, i dont care if people like me or not, so they act like morons in many cases.

Imo finding a guild camping a spawn should not be a bad thing, you can just zerg in with melee aoe and get the hit you need, since you will know that it will spawn on them.

The community seems far better so far than most MMOs I've played.

Not everyone has melee AoE.

Honestly not from what i've seen since playing, ask a question in general chat to see how awesome this community actually is, but i guess it really depends on where you came from before ESO, generally the games i came from had far better communities than ESO sadly the games were not as good..

On topic are these bites really even worth it? in skyrim it was horrible being a werewolf or vampire i'm not sure how much better it would be in a mmo..

I guess the RP community might enjoy it.