So it has really come to this?

Daverios

Mosti wrote: »

This guys is obviously one of those people who camp the spawns, makes it so obvious lmao

People are camping the spawns and we just need to report it, either they get banned or they make the areas where they spawn pvp friendly so we can counter it, it needs to be fixed somehow

I hope he is in the zone later tonight and griefing while I am running through there recording everyone. That would be even more hilarious than spawn killing.

Cepeza

Mob camping, regardless of the reason it's done, should always be rewarded with a juicy temporary ban. My opinion.

Ziiko

There are some general "guidelines" that apply in MMOs. It's MMO common law, if you will. In a game where the player has no other recourse, meaning I do not have a means to counter the behavior of these players that is deliberately looking to prevent me from enjoying a certain element of the game, the developer has a responsibility to do something to prevent this from happening.

We're past the days of EverQuest. This kind of stuff needs to be checked early. I don't think perma bans are really the right response, but they need to do something about it.

Klimarov

Zenimax didn't expect that the game will hit such great demand once they added the MMO element and multiplayer. They have plenty of things to take care to ensure the game is playable. Once they get more time i bet they will fix all the bugs and work around different things like this. MMO is just different from single player RPG and they didn't expect so much griefing and etc. give it a little time and we might see world pvp as well.

As for vamperism, i got my bite legitimately at level 15 on day 3 of early access i believe, or 4th day. I'm still unable to bite any one because vampire skill tree is slow at leveling, only those who rushed to 50 are able to do it. Also there is nothing wrong with selling bites, there is lots of demand and low supply which also artificially being held down. If zenimax wanted every one to become easy vampire or WW, they would just hand out the skill tree for free without any of that thing, but that's defeat the purpose of farming a rare skill talent (like rare beasts in WoW)

Korah_Eaglecry

Lawlicaust wrote: »

There are dozens of spawn groups of each type of mob during their time across the zone. These spawns repop repeatedly each night for both nights. Getting bit isn't hard in the slightest. Thinking outside the box and figuring out where and when to get bit apparently is because people can't be bothered to move from the one or two spawns that are camped by 20+ people each night. There are even people camping those spots on nights where neither mob will spawn.

If Zenimax wanted everyone to be able to get it with zero competition, then it would have just been a quest and not an infection from a specific mob spawn every few days. Just logically think about how getting infected is supposed to go if you were playing the game normally and not just rushing 50+ level 4's there to get infected. You would arrive at the zones around 40ish. You would encounter the mobs while questing, kill them, then later notice your infection.

And I take it youre one of these jerks that spawn camp? Or you have friends that spawn camp. Because I cant imagine why someone would idiotically blame the victim here. Unless they had something worth protecting.

GuntherMT

Wait. Are you people seriously saying that people should be banned or suspended for killing mobs in a PvE area of the game where the entire point is to.. kill mobs?

phreatophile

GuntherMT wrote: »

Wait. Are you people seriously saying that people should be banned or suspended for killing mobs in a PvE area of the game where the entire point is to.. kill mobs?

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

Either you've not read anything in this thread, or you are part of the problem.
It's not the killing of the mob per se, it's the intent to screw other players for gold that has caused an uproar.

Daverios

GuntherMT wrote: »

Wait. Are you people seriously saying that people should be banned or suspended for killing mobs in a PvE area of the game where the entire point is to.. kill mobs?

Clearly you should be banned if you think griefing is acceptable and are participating.

Gunavar

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

And I take it youre one of these jerks that spawn camp? Or you have friends that spawn camp. Because I cant imagine why someone would idiotically blame the victim here. Unless they had something worth protecting.

Because laughing at them for the idiocy is hilarious? Seriously, go out to Bankorai or Reapers and watch group of people trying to get bit. 50+ people standing around two mobs trying to hit them and get aggro. No one has to camp and kill the mobs because they are killing them just by trying to get bit.

Meanwhile, 20 feet away, there is another spawn that one smart person is at with a taunt equipped.

I never denied people were killing them. But the idea that you can't possibly get bit because there is some illuminati conspiracy is laughable.

Vikova

Daverios wrote: »

GuntherMT wrote: »

Wait. Are you people seriously saying that people should be banned or suspended for killing mobs in a PvE area of the game where the entire point is to.. kill mobs?

You people are idiots.

Clearly you should be banned if you think griefing is acceptable and are participating.

Beat you to it.

DanteYoda

GuntherMT wrote: »

Wait. Are you people seriously saying that people should be banned or suspended for killing mobs in a PvE area of the game where the entire point is to.. kill mobs?

You people are idiots.

It's fine to kill mobs in pve, its when you exploit them over and over for gain you shouldn't be making it becomes a problem..

Its generally very young children who don't know the difference though...

GuntherMT

Daverios wrote: »

GuntherMT wrote: »

Wait. Are you people seriously saying that people should be banned or suspended for killing mobs in a PvE area of the game where the entire point is to.. kill mobs?

You people are idiots.

Clearly you should be banned if you think griefing is acceptable and are participating.

Hahaha.. "Name calling". I didn't realize anyone in this thread was named "You people".

For what it's worth I've never even been to the zones where this is happening (I'm not in a big rush). I just think it's hilarious that people are complaining about mobs getting killed in a game where the entire objective is to kill mobs. Who cares what the 'motivation' is for the killing, if a mob spawns, it's going to get killed by someone.

People are killing lots of quest mobs so fast that they can't do whatever they need to do in order for the quests to trigger, it's what happens when dozens of people hit the same mob at the same time vying for it's attention.

Move on, come back later when it's less crowded, or find a better spot that isn't massively overcamped. That, or hang out at the same spot as everyone else, just make sure to bring your blanky so you have something to soak up your pathetic tears.

Elixx

when i got my bite, i killed one of the bloodfiends, and left the other 2, calling out in zone if anyone wanted to find em. This game has just sutch a bad community tbh. I belive pople are thinking ok i wont be long in this bugged down laggy game, i dont care if people like me or not, so they act like morons in many cases.

Imo finding a guild camping a spawn should not be a bad thing, you can just zerg in with melee aoe and get the hit you need, since you will know that it will spawn on them.

SuperScrubby

I wouldn't say that's the main complaint. Killing mobs in a game that focuses on that is while true, is highly inaccurate with regards to what gripe these people have. You're basically trying to play politician with words, do us all a favor and don't.

I get making a profit by helping people clear incredibly hard content, like being a bodyguard or holding their hand. However when it's monopolizing mobs so people can enjoy the world content that's a different story. It's like the scene in robin hood men in tights where the big guy tries to charge Robin a fee for crossing a small bridge. It's stupid, shouldn't happen and yet it does. It impedes on other people's ability to enjoy the game, and it's not something added by the devs but a block by other players.

While I think a perm ban is harsh, a warning is at least warranted. If they keep doing it, do a temp ban. If it stays bad then ban the guild leader and the main members part of the guild that's doing it and dissolve the guild. Sends a clear message that while everyone is free to have their own fun, but clearly ruining someone else's gameplay just so you can turn a profit is not acceptable.

Vikova

Elixx wrote: »

when i got my bite, i killed one of the bloodfiends, and left the other 2, calling out in zone if anyone wanted to find em. This game has just sutch a bad community tbh. I belive pople are thinking ok i wont be long in this bugged down laggy game, i dont care if people like me or not, so they act like morons in many cases.

Imo finding a guild camping a spawn should not be a bad thing, you can just zerg in with melee aoe and get the hit you need, since you will know that it will spawn on them.

The community seems far better so far than most MMOs I've played.

Not everyone has melee AoE.

Gunavar

RakeWorm wrote: »

The community seems far better so far than most MMOs I've played.

Not everyone has melee AoE.

But everyone can get a taunt for the low, low cost of 1 skill point.

Daverios

@GuntherMT‌ Highly suggest reading the rules attacking others can and will get you removed from the forums and possibly game too.

Elixx

RakeWorm wrote: »

Elixx wrote: »

when i got my bite, i killed one of the bloodfiends, and left the other 2, calling out in zone if anyone wanted to find em. This game has just sutch a bad community tbh. I belive pople are thinking ok i wont be long in this bugged down laggy game, i dont care if people like me or not, so they act like morons in many cases.

Imo finding a guild camping a spawn should not be a bad thing, you can just zerg in with melee aoe and get the hit you need, since you will know that it will spawn on them.

The community seems far better so far than most MMOs I've played.

Not everyone has melee AoE.

I play the most MMos i quess, and i do belive that people seem a bit bored of making friends, acting bad etc. But i might be wrong, the game still has some peple with issues, none of my guilds seem to have a great connection in them etc. People wathing you die on mobs, scams, etc etc will most likely always be a part of an mmo. But im not feeling the love in here

Regarding the classes, if you cant find 1 spell that you can manage to grab attention from mobs with, you dont want to be vampire/ww, its not an easy gamestyle. Its more like playing the game in hard mode.

GuntherMT

Daverios wrote: »

@GuntherMT‌ Highly suggest reading the rules attacking others can and will get you removed from the forums and possibly game too.

If you think my posts in this thread are 'attacking others', then you've got an amazingly low threshold for what an 'attack' is.

GuntherMT

Lawlicaust wrote: »

But everyone can get a taunt for the low, low cost of 1 skill point.

Of course, that taunt does damage, and when 2 dozen wannabe-vamps use it at the same time.. dead mob. Which is fairly hilarious really.

I wonder how many of these 'griefers keep us from getting bit' scenarios are simply a giant pile of people that want to get bit insta-killing the spawn by everyone puncturing the instant is spawns.

phreatophile

Move on, come back later when it's less crowded, or find a better spot that isn't massively overcamped. That, or hang out at the same spot as everyone else, just make sure to bring your blanky so you have something to soak up your pathetic tears.

In a game without world PvP there is no player recourse besides reporting. Thankfully, ZOS is looking into this and will likely do something. Again, it's not killing the mob per se that is at issue, it's the doing it to screw people for gold.

It seems as though ZOS thought about an Elder Scrolls fanbase more than an MMO fanbase when they designed this feature. In a MMO there's a certain percentage of people who get off on messing with people who have no way to fight back; it's a bit like pulling the wings off of flies.

ZOS will likely change spawn mechanic/location, or make the rare spawn friendly to vampire players, or something nobody's thought of to cut down on the griefing. What they won't do is let the situation continue, as it is most certainly not what they had in mind when the designed this.

Korah_Eaglecry

Lawlicaust wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

And I take it youre one of these jerks that spawn camp? Or you have friends that spawn camp. Because I cant imagine why someone would idiotically blame the victim here. Unless they had something worth protecting.

Because laughing at them for the idiocy is hilarious? Seriously, go out to Bankorai or Reapers and watch group of people trying to get bit. 50+ people standing around two mobs trying to hit them and get aggro. No one has to camp and kill the mobs because they are killing them just by trying to get bit.

Meanwhile, 20 feet away, there is another spawn that one smart person is at with a taunt equipped.

I never denied people were killing them. But the idea that you can't possibly get bit because there is some illuminati conspiracy is laughable.

So youve moved up from blaming victims to character assassination by claiming theyre conspiracy theorists now?

This is starting to become humorous. Only because you seem to believe that if you raise the bar...People will begin to buy into your crap.

WyeVxndzz

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Well i tried again right now, and it seems it is still going on. I tried to report and even show screen shot, but it says wait 1 min for a good 8 mins now. *sighs* can't seem to report them.

I had to relog it seem to fix it.

I think the wait associated with a ticket is the ETA for them to look at it - you can submit your ticket no problem. Because something like this might interfere with your gameplay night I'd submit it and then move on to quest or whatnot, you don't need to stick around. Screenshot will give them the location, entering names if you've jotted them down is a bonus and remember they can look at code to identify things that we can't - duration on site and such.

Catsocks

GuntherMT wrote: »

Daverios wrote: »

@GuntherMT‌ Highly suggest reading the rules attacking others can and will get you removed from the forums and possibly game too.

If you think my posts in this thread are 'attacking others', then you've got an amazingly low threshold for what an 'attack' is.

This whole thread is one big over-reactionary knee jerk and is just fueling people to keep messing with others in zone because apparently just even saying in zone chat that you're killing vampires, but not actually doing it, is enough to warrant people falling over themselves to post post post on the forums about it.

I know who was spamming DC/Bangkorai with "vamp bites and to get paid to stop attacking" the other day, and I also know he wasn't killing vampire spawns. He was chilling by the city gates. So this whole thing is hilarious.

SadisticSavior

DanteYoda wrote: »

Easy fix make it so players can't infect.

Yeah, this probably makes the most sense...or at least make it really rare...like twice a year.

So we have two solutions to true.../ignore the player and login/logout. Both of those have a chance to place you in a different phase from the griefers.

SadisticSavior

RakeWorm wrote: »

Make friends. They'll bite you for free.

That feels like cheating to me. I want to do it on my own.

SadisticSavior

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, everyone. We're looking into it now.

YAY! The DEVs really do pay attention to the forums!

NordJitsu

I personally saw this happening. Dude was running around the rift killing Vampires so other people couldn't get infected without paying him.

Luckily, I managed to find some before he got there once and I got my bite from the NPC.

Still, ZOS needs to make clear that this is both griefing and an exploit (for gold) and make it a reportable offense.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

rager82b14_ESO wrote: »

Wanted to try the vampire questline, and each night there is guilds camping them and charging people 10k gold for a bite. Some are just doing it to irk people.

Ah the joys of a elder scroll mmo.

Id report each and everyone of them. They could enjoy there earned ban.

Zordrage

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, everyone. We're looking into it now.

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