So it has really come to this?

Sindurella

They cant possible camp all spawns in all instances.. i see vampires every night and i dont even want to be a vampire (cured myself)

Omar_Comin

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, everyone. We're looking into it now.

@ZOS_GinaBruno does this mean you will be looking into the death threats, (rhymes with grape) threats and other forms of abuse that has been used in public and private channels to those that are killing spawns, those who are suspected of killing spawns, and those who are claiming to kill spawns?

I'd like to know which is the more serious issue to be dealt with, killing a mob in a videogame or threatening to hunt someone down in real life and kill them.

Catsocks

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Lawlicaust wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

And I take it youre one of these jerks that spawn camp? Or you have friends that spawn camp. Because I cant imagine why someone would idiotically blame the victim here. Unless they had something worth protecting.

Because laughing at them for the idiocy is hilarious? Seriously, go out to Bankorai or Reapers and watch group of people trying to get bit. 50+ people standing around two mobs trying to hit them and get aggro. No one has to camp and kill the mobs because they are killing them just by trying to get bit.

Meanwhile, 20 feet away, there is another spawn that one smart person is at with a taunt equipped.

I never denied people were killing them. But the idea that you can't possibly get bit because there is some illuminati conspiracy is laughable.

So youve moved up from blaming victims to character assassination by claiming theyre conspiracy theorists now?

This is starting to become humorous. Only because you seem to believe that if you raise the bar...People will begin to buy into your crap.

lol

l-wilson-1986b16_ESO

Just gave my werewolf bite for free in the agreement that the person I bite does the same with theirs. It was pretty satisfying to make someone so happy.

Shimond

Omar_Comin wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno does this mean you will be looking into the death threats, *** threats and other forms of abuse that has been used in public and private channels to those that are killing spawns, those who are suspected of killing spawns, and those who are claiming to kill spawns?

I'd like to know which is the more serious issue to be dealt with, killing a mob in a videogame or threatening to hunt someone down in real life and kill them.

Customer Service should be thoroughly investigating any of those you report. I'm not sure why it would warrant special mention, they typically take that stuff extremely seriously.

Catsocks

Shimond wrote: »

Omar_Comin wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno does this mean you will be looking into the death threats, *** threats and other forms of abuse that has been used in public and private channels to those that are killing spawns, those who are suspected of killing spawns, and those who are claiming to kill spawns?

I'd like to know which is the more serious issue to be dealt with, killing a mob in a videogame or threatening to hunt someone down in real life and kill them.

Customer Service should be thoroughly investigating any of those you report. I'm not sure why it would warrant special mention, they typically take that stuff extremely seriously.

Because the people mad about people killing pixels think they're entirely justified in wishing *grape* threats, death threats and other violence upon people in some weird form of mental gymnastics and usually that sort of behavior is excused if enough people think someone "deserves" it (they don't).

MercyKilling

Report each and every single one of them. If you see someone advertising in zone chat to sell vamp/ww bites....report them, too. Let Zenimax determine if it's a bannable offense, as it isn't a player's call. All we can do is point out things that we -think- might be against the ToS.

LazerusKI

MercyKilling wrote: »

Report each and every single one of them. If you see someone advertising in zone chat to sell vamp/ww bites....report them, too. Let Zenimax determine if it's a bannable offense, as it isn't a player's call. All we can do is point out things that we -think- might be against the ToS.

selling a bite should not be reported, thats jsut a usual trade, the skill has 7days cooldown you know? giving it out for free would be stupid.
Everyone should have access to the "gift", either he wants to wait for a spawn, or he pays another player to give it to him...thats nothing unusual or forbidden, its like a trade with a rare item, trade it or search for yourself.

BUT camping the spawnzones to kili them just to sell the bite is a reasont to report them.
I have seen the same for WWs, some guys in zonechat advertised that everyone should kill the WWs to increase the price.

Ummaguma

Selling bites... great idea. Killing the Fuzzes and Bloodsuckers to corner the market? Shameful.

phreatophile

@ZOS_GinaBruno does this mean you will be looking into the death threats, (rhymes with grape) threats and other forms of abuse that has been used in public and private channels to those that are killing spawns, those who are suspected of killing spawns, and those who are claiming to kill spawns?

I'd like to know which is the more serious issue to be dealt with, killing a mob in a videogame or threatening to hunt someone down in real life and kill them.

If it's been reported I'm sure they will. Neither one is especially serious, one is killing an imaginary creature to annoy other people and the other is impotent, anonymous, and impossible to take seriously. But it is what one comes to expect from griefers, they are supposed to be allowed to screw with people with impunity but act the victim if someone even talks back to them.

Mishoniko

Vampire/werewolf bites = new Time-lost Proto-drake?

liquid_wolf

2 Things

Report, and encourage Zenimax to smack these griefers down.
Find a way around their griefing for now.

Log in and out. Get on really early or really late. Over lunch.

Prime Time is probably going to be a bad time for this.

Catsocks

phreatophile wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno does this mean you will be looking into the death threats, (rhymes with grape) threats and other forms of abuse that has been used in public and private channels to those that are killing spawns, those who are suspected of killing spawns, and those who are claiming to kill spawns?

I'd like to know which is the more serious issue to be dealt with, killing a mob in a videogame or threatening to hunt someone down in real life and kill them.

If it's been reported I'm sure they will. Neither one is especially serious, one is killing an imaginary creature to annoy other people and the other is impotent, anonymous, and impossible to take seriously. But it is what one comes to expect from griefers, they are supposed to be allowed to screw with people with impunity but act the victim if someone even talks back to them.

haha oh my god, that sure didn't take long.

MercyKilling

LazerusKI wrote: »

selling a bite isn't an offense, thats just a usual trade,

Except selling bites is what's promoting the spawn camping in the first place. How can you sell something that can be gained for free? I'd always pick the free way to do things, unless the option to get it for free no longer exists.

Just for the record, I'm not after a vamp bite or werewolf bite. No desire to be a WoD reject or Twilight sparklepire.....but I -am- for everyone having the chance to be their favorite romanticized monster.

Bottom line, no ifs ands or buts: Selling bites isn't justifiable in any way, shape or form.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

I think it would be wrong to stop this. Speaking as someone who had a guild do that, and managed to get bitten anyways. Why? Because it makes things more interesting. More immersive as well. Vampire hunting squads? Werewolf hunters? That is awesome.

Although I think selling bites is wrong as well (I give mine for free to guildies first, then random). Buying a bite is a quick way to get scammed as well.

anyways, point being, vampire/wolf hunting groups are fine for the immersion/game.

Aria

DanteYoda wrote: »

Easy fix make it so players can't infect.

Simple, easy ....brilliant!

ShadowOfOblivion

liquid_wolf wrote: »

2 Things

Report, and encourage Zenimax to smack these griefers down.
Find a way around their griefing for now.

Log in and out. Get on really early or really late. Over lunch.

Prime Time is probably going to be a bad time for this.

So what if we work and the so called "prime time" is the actual time we have to enjoy the game? Can't they just make the spawn a quest giver (and every night both WW and VAMP) but do it like now and not after two months?

Jaxom

I problem I'm seeing is that people are camping (for the most part) 2 widely known spawn locations because they were posted on the internet (at least for AD). I kid you not that I accidently found a spawn that was far away from the typical 2 spots people camp in Reaper's. Branch out to other areas of the map besides Dune and you will find them. There are a lot of them but people get tunnel vision. It took me 8 days, but I finally got bit and it was from a spawn location I've yet to see posted anywhere. Look around. They are they, in places you may not think at first glance.

NordJitsu

MercyKilling wrote: »

Report each and every single one of them. If you see someone advertising in zone chat to sell vamp/ww bites....report them, too. Let Zenimax determine if it's a bannable offense, as it isn't a player's call. All we can do is point out things that we -think- might be against the ToS.

Who says selling the bites is against the ToS though?

I'm not sure I see anything wrong with people willing to pay for a bite.

The problem is when their griefing to make sure they're the only way to get it.

Gunavar

NordJitsu wrote: »

Who says selling the bites is against the ToS though?

I'm not sure I see anything wrong with people willing to pay for a bite.

The problem is when their griefing to make sure they're the only way to get it.

Now see here, I went to armchair lawyer school and that allows me to read the ToS unlike you plebs. And the ToS speaketh:

Thou shalt not do anything that falls outside my narrow definition of fun
Thou shalt not do anything that gives thee and advantage over me
Thou shalt not point out my logical fallacies
Thou shalt not suggest I learn to play
Thou shalt not correct me when I am clearly wrong
And if thou breaketh any of mine commands I shall brand thee exploiter, cheater, griefer, and generally uncool dude.

So speaketh I, your Sperg Lord. Now go forth and spread the Gospel of the Sperg. And whenever thou gather together in mine name, thou shalt commence the holy sacrament. For these are mine Cheetos, cheese-crusted for you. And this is mine Mountain Dew, processed and sugared for you.

Ariane

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

I think it would be wrong to stop this. Speaking as someone who had a guild do that, and managed to get bitten anyways. Why? Because it makes things more interesting. More immersive as well. Vampire hunting squads? Werewolf hunters? That is awesome.

Although I think selling bites is wrong as well (I give mine for free to guildies first, then random). Buying a bite is a quick way to get scammed as well.

anyways, point being, vampire/wolf hunting groups are fine for the immersion/game.

I think this is wrong because of the sum of it: camping mobs, killing them with the objective of prevent other players from getting a bite and selling the bites knowing they will have to do it.

I don't think those individual actions are so harmful by themselvs, maybe questionable, but all of them together are.

I would never blame a new player that kills a mob without knowing all this, or a player who just likes to kill vampires/werewolves. I also think vampirism and lycanthropy should be very rare, with as many handicaps as advantages, not just something everyone wants to have because it's cool or overpowered. Even having that in mind, I don't like the fact that we have a group of people deciding the way other people can have access to something provided by the game.

Shimond

I feel like if you're capable of selling a bite or whatever you should be phased out of those spawn areas - since you're one of them now.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

Ariane wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

I think it would be wrong to stop this. Speaking as someone who had a guild do that, and managed to get bitten anyways. Why? Because it makes things more interesting. More immersive as well. Vampire hunting squads? Werewolf hunters? That is awesome.

Although I think selling bites is wrong as well (I give mine for free to guildies first, then random). Buying a bite is a quick way to get scammed as well.

anyways, point being, vampire/wolf hunting groups are fine for the immersion/game.

I think this is wrong because of the sum of it: camping mobs, killing them with the objective of prevent other players from getting a bite and selling the bites knowing they will have to do it.

I don't think those individual actions are so harmful by themselvs, maybe questionable, but all of them together are.

I would never blame a new player that kills a mob without knowing all this, or a player who just likes to kill vampires/werewolves. I also think vampirism and lycanthropy should be very rare, with as many handicaps as advantages, not just something everyone wants to have because it's cool or overpowered. Even having that in mind, I don't like the fact that we have a group of people deciding the way other people can have access to something provided by the game.

They don't HAVE to get bitten, they can relog to different "phases" where the players aren't there, etc... How about taking the fun out of players pretending to be vampire/wolf hunters? Are they killing them for profit, or for fun/roleplaying?

There are ways around this, and there isn't a reason for this to be reportable.

I reported that part specifically because it's hypocritical. Youre deciding to take away their fun/access to roleplaying.


With that said, I do agree with you it should be more rare to becoming vamp/wolf.

Shimond

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

They don't HAVE to get bitten, they can relog to different "phases" where the players aren't there, etc... How about taking the fun out of players pretending to be vampire/wolf hunters? Are they killing them for profit, or for fun/roleplaying?

I'm sure some will claim that's why they're doing it. Just as some justify other actions as "roleplaying a jerk". I'm sure Zenimax will have the logging capability to determine who's being honest.

Shaun98ca2

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

Ariane wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

I think it would be wrong to stop this. Speaking as someone who had a guild do that, and managed to get bitten anyways. Why? Because it makes things more interesting. More immersive as well. Vampire hunting squads? Werewolf hunters? That is awesome.

Although I think selling bites is wrong as well (I give mine for free to guildies first, then random). Buying a bite is a quick way to get scammed as well.

anyways, point being, vampire/wolf hunting groups are fine for the immersion/game.

I think this is wrong because of the sum of it: camping mobs, killing them with the objective of prevent other players from getting a bite and selling the bites knowing they will have to do it.

I don't think those individual actions are so harmful by themselvs, maybe questionable, but all of them together are.

I would never blame a new player that kills a mob without knowing all this, or a player who just likes to kill vampires/werewolves. I also think vampirism and lycanthropy should be very rare, with as many handicaps as advantages, not just something everyone wants to have because it's cool or overpowered. Even having that in mind, I don't like the fact that we have a group of people deciding the way other people can have access to something provided by the game.

They don't HAVE to get bitten, they can relog to different "phases" where the players aren't there, etc... How about taking the fun out of players pretending to be vampire/wolf hunters? Are they killing them for profit, or for fun/roleplaying?

There are ways around this, and there isn't a reason for this to be reportable.

I reported that part specifically because it's hypocritical. Youre deciding to take away their fun/access to roleplaying.


With that said, I do agree with you it should be more rare to becoming vamp/wolf.

They are killing the mobs so other players dont get "infected" without paying gold for the change to "experience" the content. Its griefing/extortion. Plain and simple. Its easy to do and only Zenimax can stop it. If you cant see that dont know what to tell you. Whether its happening or not is really a different matter.

But the fact that this CAN happen is very bad are there work arounds maybe. Having to work around griefing makes for a terrible game experience and can lead to cancled subs.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

Shimond wrote: »

the.dzeneralb16_ESO wrote: »

They don't HAVE to get bitten, they can relog to different "phases" where the players aren't there, etc... How about taking the fun out of players pretending to be vampire/wolf hunters? Are they killing them for profit, or for fun/roleplaying?

I'm sure some will claim that's why they're doing it. Just as some justify other actions as "roleplaying a jerk". I'm sure Zenimax will have the logging capability to determine who's being honest.

I was using it as an example because not everyone has the same reason "LOL I WANT TO RUIN YOUR FUN"

It's not always so cut and dry. I'm not saying people don't do it because they're ***, but not everyone is the same

The point was it isn't as simple as a lot are making it out to be. You can't just decide to take some peoples fun out of others simply because it annoys you.

Darkstar4758

Let me preface my statement with the fact that I am a lowly level 16 and know nothing about how to contract vampirism / lycanthropy ... BUT, I think one solution to this problem would be for the people who know the mechanics to share that info with others, especially players willing to bite for free. This would take the wind right out of a lot (not all) of the griefers sails.

the.dzeneralb16_ESO

Darkstar4758 wrote: »

Let me preface my statement with the fact that I am a lowly level 16 and know nothing about how to contract vampirism / lycanthropy ... BUT, I think one solution to this problem would be for the people who know the mechanics to share that info with others, especially players willing to bite for free. This would take the wind right out of a lot (not all) of the griefers sails.

They spawn randomly at night on given cycles in the zone called "The Rift" it's as simple as that. Problem is its a 40+ area and many people are trying to get at before that. Also other players are hunting vampires before people can get bitten, which is what we're debating.

phreatophile

Because the people mad about people killing pixels think they're entirely justified in wishing *grape* threats, death threats and other violence upon people in some weird form of mental gymnastics and usually that sort of behavior is excused if enough people think someone "deserves" it (they don't).

For the record, I didn't say is was excused or deserved. I actually said it was "impotent, anonymous, and impossible to take seriously" and that if reported it would likely be dealt with.

But I did mention the irony of complaining about the verbal abuse to deflect from the other abuse that all in all IS (as you said) just killing pixels.

Catsocks

phreatophile wrote: »

Because the people mad about people killing pixels think they're entirely justified in wishing *grape* threats, death threats and other violence upon people in some weird form of mental gymnastics and usually that sort of behavior is excused if enough people think someone "deserves" it (they don't).

For the record, I didn't say is was excused or deserved. I actually said it was "impotent, anonymous, and impossible to take seriously" and that if reported it would likely be dealt with.

But I did mention the irony of complaining about the verbal abuse to deflect from the other abuse that all in all IS (as you said) just killing pixels.

There's a difference between getting yelled at, and another using death/*** threats against a person over behavior they don't like. No one is complaining about getting yelled at by real mad players, it's just hypocritical to want people banned only to continually threaten them bodily harm and think it's entirely okay.

Downplaying those threats as not serious is just another way to excuse the behavior. Both facts, that unsurprisingly, you don't understand.