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Honestly - Is Vengeance Viable?
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fizzybeef✭✭✭✭✭LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »
Vengeance PCNA 4PM Tuesday.
The only reason why it's not viable is because people don't want to play in an empty campaign. When GH wasn't around and the people that apparently "hated Vengeance" so much that they stopped playing pvp entirely, Vengeance was booming with new players and always had big fights going on.
If it's hated so much by the pvp community then why was it packed on PCNA? Because people enjoy it, but now that GH is back to skew the numbers and make people think GH has more players, people don't want to bother joining Vengeance because they think it's dead (which it is because GH is deceptive with it's bars.)
It's not dead because no one liked playing it, if that was the case then no one would have played it. The bonus ap they offered is not that good of an incentive.
Just accept its dead. And thats good.
GH never needed incentives to be populated.
Time to move on, be part of pvp in GH or let it be and stay outside.
As long people are not forced to play it, vengeance will not become populated. And it was only populated because there was no other way to play cyro pvp and people got lurked with double ap lmao.
Pretty sad you're that desperate tbh.
Not desperated at all, because the actions of the players who straight left vengeance as soon it was possible, just proved the game mode is not accepted or wanted.
If Zos brings that game mode aside of grey host you can have fun fighting guards or three people. It will be like IC basically.
Im happy about all that.
And I can't wait for GH to be retired and Vengeance to take over. All the people who hate Vengeance will flock over. There really only needs to be one campaign and GH is just terrible. It's pretty clear that ZOS's plans are to retire GH and add in a new smaller scale version in replace of it.
They wont close GH because they are aware everyone will just quit.
There is only so much people are taking, before its enough.
But have fun playing with training wheels, im not here to discuss with someone who stated a few comments above they dont like cyrodiil or GH👍😁5 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »
Vengeance PCNA 4PM Tuesday.
The only reason why it's not viable is because people don't want to play in an empty campaign. When GH wasn't around and the people that apparently "hated Vengeance" so much that they stopped playing pvp entirely, Vengeance was booming with new players and always had big fights going on.
If it's hated so much by the pvp community then why was it packed on PCNA? Because people enjoy it, but now that GH is back to skew the numbers and make people think GH has more players, people don't want to bother joining Vengeance because they think it's dead (which it is because GH is deceptive with it's bars.)
It's not dead because no one liked playing it, if that was the case then no one would have played it. The bonus ap they offered is not that good of an incentive.
Just accept its dead. And thats good.
GH never needed incentives to be populated.
Time to move on, be part of pvp in GH or let it be and stay outside.
As long people are not forced to play it, vengeance will not become populated. And it was only populated because there was no other way to play cyro pvp and people got lurked with double ap lmao.
Pretty sad you're that desperate tbh.
Not desperated at all, because the actions of the players who straight left vengeance as soon it was possible, just proved the game mode is not accepted or wanted.
If Zos brings that game mode aside of grey host you can have fun fighting guards or three people. It will be like IC basically.
Im happy about all that.
And I can't wait for GH to be retired and Vengeance to take over. All the people who hate Vengeance will flock over. There really only needs to be one campaign and GH is just terrible. It's pretty clear that ZOS's plans are to retire GH and add in a new smaller scale version in replace of it.
Forcing Grey Host players to play in Vengeance demonstrates a complete lack of confidence that Vengeance can attract a player base on its own merits. Which is sad.
Honestly, it probably can. It just won't happen overnight. Vengeance boosters need to put in the work to get new players to try it out. That would be a much more productive use of time and energy than trying to steal away other people's campaigns.6 -
LennaTheRussian✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »
Vengeance PCNA 4PM Tuesday.
The only reason why it's not viable is because people don't want to play in an empty campaign. When GH wasn't around and the people that apparently "hated Vengeance" so much that they stopped playing pvp entirely, Vengeance was booming with new players and always had big fights going on.
If it's hated so much by the pvp community then why was it packed on PCNA? Because people enjoy it, but now that GH is back to skew the numbers and make people think GH has more players, people don't want to bother joining Vengeance because they think it's dead (which it is because GH is deceptive with it's bars.)
It's not dead because no one liked playing it, if that was the case then no one would have played it. The bonus ap they offered is not that good of an incentive.
Just accept its dead. And thats good.
GH never needed incentives to be populated.
Time to move on, be part of pvp in GH or let it be and stay outside.
As long people are not forced to play it, vengeance will not become populated. And it was only populated because there was no other way to play cyro pvp and people got lurked with double ap lmao.
Pretty sad you're that desperate tbh.
Not desperated at all, because the actions of the players who straight left vengeance as soon it was possible, just proved the game mode is not accepted or wanted.
If Zos brings that game mode aside of grey host you can have fun fighting guards or three people. It will be like IC basically.
Im happy about all that.
And I can't wait for GH to be retired and Vengeance to take over. All the people who hate Vengeance will flock over. There really only needs to be one campaign and GH is just terrible. It's pretty clear that ZOS's plans are to retire GH and add in a new smaller scale version in replace of it.
Forcing Grey Host players to play in Vengeance demonstrates a complete lack of confidence that Vengeance can attract a player base on its own merits. Which is sad.
Honestly, it probably can. It just won't happen overnight. Vengeance boosters need to put in the work to get new players to try it out. That would be a much more productive use of time and energy than trying to steal away other people's campaigns.
Telling the truth isn't sad, ZOS isn't putting all this effort into Vengeance just to let it flop, and the data clearly proves that when it's the only campaign around, it's popular. So sorry to say but most likely GH is gone in the next year and Vengeance is the only campaign left for full scale Cyro.
And it's not a lack of confidence, it's reality. There just isn't enough players to sustain two campaigns. Ofc GH is popular because that's where ballgroups and 1vXers shine. But the majority of the ESO community hate that and just normal siege pvp with massive battles and no annoying pull sets and bombers.Edited by LennaTheRussian on December 9, 2025 11:07PM4 -
YandereGirlfriend✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LennaTheRussian wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »
Vengeance PCNA 4PM Tuesday.
The only reason why it's not viable is because people don't want to play in an empty campaign. When GH wasn't around and the people that apparently "hated Vengeance" so much that they stopped playing pvp entirely, Vengeance was booming with new players and always had big fights going on.
If it's hated so much by the pvp community then why was it packed on PCNA? Because people enjoy it, but now that GH is back to skew the numbers and make people think GH has more players, people don't want to bother joining Vengeance because they think it's dead (which it is because GH is deceptive with it's bars.)
It's not dead because no one liked playing it, if that was the case then no one would have played it. The bonus ap they offered is not that good of an incentive.
Just accept its dead. And thats good.
GH never needed incentives to be populated.
Time to move on, be part of pvp in GH or let it be and stay outside.
As long people are not forced to play it, vengeance will not become populated. And it was only populated because there was no other way to play cyro pvp and people got lurked with double ap lmao.
Pretty sad you're that desperate tbh.
Not desperated at all, because the actions of the players who straight left vengeance as soon it was possible, just proved the game mode is not accepted or wanted.
If Zos brings that game mode aside of grey host you can have fun fighting guards or three people. It will be like IC basically.
Im happy about all that.
And I can't wait for GH to be retired and Vengeance to take over. All the people who hate Vengeance will flock over. There really only needs to be one campaign and GH is just terrible. It's pretty clear that ZOS's plans are to retire GH and add in a new smaller scale version in replace of it.
Forcing Grey Host players to play in Vengeance demonstrates a complete lack of confidence that Vengeance can attract a player base on its own merits. Which is sad.
Honestly, it probably can. It just won't happen overnight. Vengeance boosters need to put in the work to get new players to try it out. That would be a much more productive use of time and energy than trying to steal away other people's campaigns.
Telling the truth isn't sad, ZOS isn't putting all this effort into Vengeance just to let it flop, and the data clearly proves that when it's the only campaign around, it's popular. So sorry to say but most likely GH is gone in the next year and Vengeance is the only campaign left for full scale Cyro.
And it's not a lack of confidence, it's reality. There just isn't enough players to sustain two campaigns. Ofc GH is popular because that's where ballgroups and 1vXers shine. But the majority of the ESO community hate that and just normal siege pvp with massive battles and no annoying pull sets and bombers.
If the majority of the ESO community hates Grey Host then why aren't they all playing in Vengeance?
Without all of the traditional PvP sweats they should be having the times of their lives.10 -
BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭LennaTheRussian wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »
Vengeance PCNA 4PM Tuesday.
The only reason why it's not viable is because people don't want to play in an empty campaign. When GH wasn't around and the people that apparently "hated Vengeance" so much that they stopped playing pvp entirely, Vengeance was booming with new players and always had big fights going on.
If it's hated so much by the pvp community then why was it packed on PCNA? Because people enjoy it, but now that GH is back to skew the numbers and make people think GH has more players, people don't want to bother joining Vengeance because they think it's dead (which it is because GH is deceptive with it's bars.)
It's not dead because no one liked playing it, if that was the case then no one would have played it. The bonus ap they offered is not that good of an incentive.
Just accept its dead. And thats good.
GH never needed incentives to be populated.
Time to move on, be part of pvp in GH or let it be and stay outside.
As long people are not forced to play it, vengeance will not become populated. And it was only populated because there was no other way to play cyro pvp and people got lurked with double ap lmao.
Pretty sad you're that desperate tbh.
Not desperated at all, because the actions of the players who straight left vengeance as soon it was possible, just proved the game mode is not accepted or wanted.
If Zos brings that game mode aside of grey host you can have fun fighting guards or three people. It will be like IC basically.
Im happy about all that.
And I can't wait for GH to be retired and Vengeance to take over. All the people who hate Vengeance will flock over. There really only needs to be one campaign and GH is just terrible. It's pretty clear that ZOS's plans are to retire GH and add in a new smaller scale version in replace of it.
Forcing Grey Host players to play in Vengeance demonstrates a complete lack of confidence that Vengeance can attract a player base on its own merits. Which is sad.
Honestly, it probably can. It just won't happen overnight. Vengeance boosters need to put in the work to get new players to try it out. That would be a much more productive use of time and energy than trying to steal away other people's campaigns.
Telling the truth isn't sad, ZOS isn't putting all this effort into Vengeance just to let it flop, and the data clearly proves that when it's the only campaign around, it's popular. So sorry to say but most likely GH is gone in the next year and Vengeance is the only campaign left for full scale Cyro.
And it's not a lack of confidence, it's reality. There just isn't enough players to sustain two campaigns. Ofc GH is popular because that's where ballgroups and 1vXers shine. But the majority of the ESO community hate that and just normal siege pvp with massive battles and no annoying pull sets and bombers.
We’ve had real PvP since the iteration of this game. What matters more, a handful of forum goers and the year of this experiment on and off for a couple weeks or literal years of work on Greyhost style PvP.
It doesn’t compare. This is coping, vengeance wasn’t able to stand on its own even with incentives, we don’t want to strip our favorite game mode of the same things you pvers get to enjoy. Monster sets, mythics, five piece sets, and scribed skills.
Period end of, I paid money for all that. Even more importantly, time. Go enjoy the content you like and leave ours alone.Edited by BardokRedSnow on December 9, 2025 11:54PMZos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
Zos now: Do you want Vengeance permanent or permanent...5 -
LennaTheRussian✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »
Vengeance PCNA 4PM Tuesday.
The only reason why it's not viable is because people don't want to play in an empty campaign. When GH wasn't around and the people that apparently "hated Vengeance" so much that they stopped playing pvp entirely, Vengeance was booming with new players and always had big fights going on.
If it's hated so much by the pvp community then why was it packed on PCNA? Because people enjoy it, but now that GH is back to skew the numbers and make people think GH has more players, people don't want to bother joining Vengeance because they think it's dead (which it is because GH is deceptive with it's bars.)
It's not dead because no one liked playing it, if that was the case then no one would have played it. The bonus ap they offered is not that good of an incentive.
Just accept its dead. And thats good.
GH never needed incentives to be populated.
Time to move on, be part of pvp in GH or let it be and stay outside.
As long people are not forced to play it, vengeance will not become populated. And it was only populated because there was no other way to play cyro pvp and people got lurked with double ap lmao.
Pretty sad you're that desperate tbh.
Not desperated at all, because the actions of the players who straight left vengeance as soon it was possible, just proved the game mode is not accepted or wanted.
If Zos brings that game mode aside of grey host you can have fun fighting guards or three people. It will be like IC basically.
Im happy about all that.
And I can't wait for GH to be retired and Vengeance to take over. All the people who hate Vengeance will flock over. There really only needs to be one campaign and GH is just terrible. It's pretty clear that ZOS's plans are to retire GH and add in a new smaller scale version in replace of it.
Forcing Grey Host players to play in Vengeance demonstrates a complete lack of confidence that Vengeance can attract a player base on its own merits. Which is sad.
Honestly, it probably can. It just won't happen overnight. Vengeance boosters need to put in the work to get new players to try it out. That would be a much more productive use of time and energy than trying to steal away other people's campaigns.
Telling the truth isn't sad, ZOS isn't putting all this effort into Vengeance just to let it flop, and the data clearly proves that when it's the only campaign around, it's popular. So sorry to say but most likely GH is gone in the next year and Vengeance is the only campaign left for full scale Cyro.
And it's not a lack of confidence, it's reality. There just isn't enough players to sustain two campaigns. Ofc GH is popular because that's where ballgroups and 1vXers shine. But the majority of the ESO community hate that and just normal siege pvp with massive battles and no annoying pull sets and bombers.
If the majority of the ESO community hates Grey Host then why aren't they all playing in Vengeance?
Without all of the traditional PvP sweats they should be having the times of their lives.
Because it's missing the boost of the GH pvp community, people are playing Vengeance still. Just fought a zerg with another zerg. If it was the only campaign then it would be more active. Let's be real and stop acting like GH is always populated, it's only populated when a pvp guild decides to get on because people move to where the numbers are, and it's a known fact that for some reason pvp guilds were protesting Vengeance while coming onto the forums to whine about it.2 -
BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭LennaTheRussian wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »
Vengeance PCNA 4PM Tuesday.
The only reason why it's not viable is because people don't want to play in an empty campaign. When GH wasn't around and the people that apparently "hated Vengeance" so much that they stopped playing pvp entirely, Vengeance was booming with new players and always had big fights going on.
If it's hated so much by the pvp community then why was it packed on PCNA? Because people enjoy it, but now that GH is back to skew the numbers and make people think GH has more players, people don't want to bother joining Vengeance because they think it's dead (which it is because GH is deceptive with it's bars.)
It's not dead because no one liked playing it, if that was the case then no one would have played it. The bonus ap they offered is not that good of an incentive.
Just accept its dead. And thats good.
GH never needed incentives to be populated.
Time to move on, be part of pvp in GH or let it be and stay outside.
As long people are not forced to play it, vengeance will not become populated. And it was only populated because there was no other way to play cyro pvp and people got lurked with double ap lmao.
Pretty sad you're that desperate tbh.
Not desperated at all, because the actions of the players who straight left vengeance as soon it was possible, just proved the game mode is not accepted or wanted.
If Zos brings that game mode aside of grey host you can have fun fighting guards or three people. It will be like IC basically.
Im happy about all that.
And I can't wait for GH to be retired and Vengeance to take over. All the people who hate Vengeance will flock over. There really only needs to be one campaign and GH is just terrible. It's pretty clear that ZOS's plans are to retire GH and add in a new smaller scale version in replace of it.
Forcing Grey Host players to play in Vengeance demonstrates a complete lack of confidence that Vengeance can attract a player base on its own merits. Which is sad.
Honestly, it probably can. It just won't happen overnight. Vengeance boosters need to put in the work to get new players to try it out. That would be a much more productive use of time and energy than trying to steal away other people's campaigns.
Telling the truth isn't sad, ZOS isn't putting all this effort into Vengeance just to let it flop, and the data clearly proves that when it's the only campaign around, it's popular. So sorry to say but most likely GH is gone in the next year and Vengeance is the only campaign left for full scale Cyro.
And it's not a lack of confidence, it's reality. There just isn't enough players to sustain two campaigns. Ofc GH is popular because that's where ballgroups and 1vXers shine. But the majority of the ESO community hate that and just normal siege pvp with massive battles and no annoying pull sets and bombers.
If the majority of the ESO community hates Grey Host then why aren't they all playing in Vengeance?
Without all of the traditional PvP sweats they should be having the times of their lives.
Because it's missing the boost of the GH pvp community, people are playing Vengeance still. Just fought a zerg with another zerg. If it was the only campaign then it would be more active. Let's be real and stop acting like GH is always populated, it's only populated when a pvp guild decides to get on because people move to where the numbers are, and it's a known fact that for some reason pvp guilds were protesting Vengeance while coming onto the forums to whine about it.
It’s populated when people get off from work*
Which is every evening like most gamesZos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
Zos now: Do you want Vengeance permanent or permanent...8 -
LennaTheRussian✭✭✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »
Vengeance PCNA 4PM Tuesday.
The only reason why it's not viable is because people don't want to play in an empty campaign. When GH wasn't around and the people that apparently "hated Vengeance" so much that they stopped playing pvp entirely, Vengeance was booming with new players and always had big fights going on.
If it's hated so much by the pvp community then why was it packed on PCNA? Because people enjoy it, but now that GH is back to skew the numbers and make people think GH has more players, people don't want to bother joining Vengeance because they think it's dead (which it is because GH is deceptive with it's bars.)
It's not dead because no one liked playing it, if that was the case then no one would have played it. The bonus ap they offered is not that good of an incentive.
Just accept its dead. And thats good.
GH never needed incentives to be populated.
Time to move on, be part of pvp in GH or let it be and stay outside.
As long people are not forced to play it, vengeance will not become populated. And it was only populated because there was no other way to play cyro pvp and people got lurked with double ap lmao.
Pretty sad you're that desperate tbh.
Not desperated at all, because the actions of the players who straight left vengeance as soon it was possible, just proved the game mode is not accepted or wanted.
If Zos brings that game mode aside of grey host you can have fun fighting guards or three people. It will be like IC basically.
Im happy about all that.
And I can't wait for GH to be retired and Vengeance to take over. All the people who hate Vengeance will flock over. There really only needs to be one campaign and GH is just terrible. It's pretty clear that ZOS's plans are to retire GH and add in a new smaller scale version in replace of it.
Forcing Grey Host players to play in Vengeance demonstrates a complete lack of confidence that Vengeance can attract a player base on its own merits. Which is sad.
Honestly, it probably can. It just won't happen overnight. Vengeance boosters need to put in the work to get new players to try it out. That would be a much more productive use of time and energy than trying to steal away other people's campaigns.
Telling the truth isn't sad, ZOS isn't putting all this effort into Vengeance just to let it flop, and the data clearly proves that when it's the only campaign around, it's popular. So sorry to say but most likely GH is gone in the next year and Vengeance is the only campaign left for full scale Cyro.
And it's not a lack of confidence, it's reality. There just isn't enough players to sustain two campaigns. Ofc GH is popular because that's where ballgroups and 1vXers shine. But the majority of the ESO community hate that and just normal siege pvp with massive battles and no annoying pull sets and bombers.
If the majority of the ESO community hates Grey Host then why aren't they all playing in Vengeance?
Without all of the traditional PvP sweats they should be having the times of their lives.
Because it's missing the boost of the GH pvp community, people are playing Vengeance still. Just fought a zerg with another zerg. If it was the only campaign then it would be more active. Let's be real and stop acting like GH is always populated, it's only populated when a pvp guild decides to get on because people move to where the numbers are, and it's a known fact that for some reason pvp guilds were protesting Vengeance while coming onto the forums to whine about it.
It’s populated when people get off from work*
Which is every evening like most games
Wrong, I have seen countless posts on here that either get deleted or lost in the sea of posts complaining about GH population. As I said it only gains players when a pvp guild gets on and makes the bars go up, otherwise no one bothers because it's boring.1 -
Artisian0001✭✭✭LennaTheRussian wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »
Vengeance PCNA 4PM Tuesday.
The only reason why it's not viable is because people don't want to play in an empty campaign. When GH wasn't around and the people that apparently "hated Vengeance" so much that they stopped playing pvp entirely, Vengeance was booming with new players and always had big fights going on.
If it's hated so much by the pvp community then why was it packed on PCNA? Because people enjoy it, but now that GH is back to skew the numbers and make people think GH has more players, people don't want to bother joining Vengeance because they think it's dead (which it is because GH is deceptive with it's bars.)
It's not dead because no one liked playing it, if that was the case then no one would have played it. The bonus ap they offered is not that good of an incentive.
Just accept its dead. And thats good.
GH never needed incentives to be populated.
Time to move on, be part of pvp in GH or let it be and stay outside.
As long people are not forced to play it, vengeance will not become populated. And it was only populated because there was no other way to play cyro pvp and people got lurked with double ap lmao.
Pretty sad you're that desperate tbh.
Not desperated at all, because the actions of the players who straight left vengeance as soon it was possible, just proved the game mode is not accepted or wanted.
If Zos brings that game mode aside of grey host you can have fun fighting guards or three people. It will be like IC basically.
Im happy about all that.
And I can't wait for GH to be retired and Vengeance to take over. All the people who hate Vengeance will flock over. There really only needs to be one campaign and GH is just terrible. It's pretty clear that ZOS's plans are to retire GH and add in a new smaller scale version in replace of it.
Forcing Grey Host players to play in Vengeance demonstrates a complete lack of confidence that Vengeance can attract a player base on its own merits. Which is sad.
Honestly, it probably can. It just won't happen overnight. Vengeance boosters need to put in the work to get new players to try it out. That would be a much more productive use of time and energy than trying to steal away other people's campaigns.
Telling the truth isn't sad, ZOS isn't putting all this effort into Vengeance just to let it flop, and the data clearly proves that when it's the only campaign around, it's popular. So sorry to say but most likely GH is gone in the next year and Vengeance is the only campaign left for full scale Cyro.
And it's not a lack of confidence, it's reality. There just isn't enough players to sustain two campaigns. Ofc GH is popular because that's where ballgroups and 1vXers shine. But the majority of the ESO community hate that and just normal siege pvp with massive battles and no annoying pull sets and bombers.
The majority hate it!
Meanwhile the majority is in GH the second it comes back.
Vengeance only has population when it is brand new, had rewards tied to it, and is the only thing available.
Keep playing in vengeance with the low population it has, but stop coping about it. Nobody who is in GH cares if you have vengeance. Why do you care so much that GH exists? I know why, because with GH existing, vengeance is dead, which negates all of your arguments about it being a minority player base.
Nobody in GH will ever care about vengeance existing. If you care as a vengeance player about GH existing it's because you know the population of vengeance is low unless every single incentive is given to make people play it.10 -
JohnRingo✭✭✭Artisian0001 wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »
Vengeance PCNA 4PM Tuesday.
The only reason why it's not viable is because people don't want to play in an empty campaign. When GH wasn't around and the people that apparently "hated Vengeance" so much that they stopped playing pvp entirely, Vengeance was booming with new players and always had big fights going on.
If it's hated so much by the pvp community then why was it packed on PCNA? Because people enjoy it, but now that GH is back to skew the numbers and make people think GH has more players, people don't want to bother joining Vengeance because they think it's dead (which it is because GH is deceptive with it's bars.)
It's not dead because no one liked playing it, if that was the case then no one would have played it. The bonus ap they offered is not that good of an incentive.
Just accept its dead. And thats good.
GH never needed incentives to be populated.
Time to move on, be part of pvp in GH or let it be and stay outside.
As long people are not forced to play it, vengeance will not become populated. And it was only populated because there was no other way to play cyro pvp and people got lurked with double ap lmao.
Pretty sad you're that desperate tbh.
Not desperated at all, because the actions of the players who straight left vengeance as soon it was possible, just proved the game mode is not accepted or wanted.
If Zos brings that game mode aside of grey host you can have fun fighting guards or three people. It will be like IC basically.
Im happy about all that.
And I can't wait for GH to be retired and Vengeance to take over. All the people who hate Vengeance will flock over. There really only needs to be one campaign and GH is just terrible. It's pretty clear that ZOS's plans are to retire GH and add in a new smaller scale version in replace of it.
Forcing Grey Host players to play in Vengeance demonstrates a complete lack of confidence that Vengeance can attract a player base on its own merits. Which is sad.
Honestly, it probably can. It just won't happen overnight. Vengeance boosters need to put in the work to get new players to try it out. That would be a much more productive use of time and energy than trying to steal away other people's campaigns.
Telling the truth isn't sad, ZOS isn't putting all this effort into Vengeance just to let it flop, and the data clearly proves that when it's the only campaign around, it's popular. So sorry to say but most likely GH is gone in the next year and Vengeance is the only campaign left for full scale Cyro.
And it's not a lack of confidence, it's reality. There just isn't enough players to sustain two campaigns. Ofc GH is popular because that's where ballgroups and 1vXers shine. But the majority of the ESO community hate that and just normal siege pvp with massive battles and no annoying pull sets and bombers.
The majority hate it!
Meanwhile the majority is in GH the second it comes back.
Vengeance only has population when it is brand new, had rewards tied to it, and is the only thing available.
Keep playing in vengeance with the low population it has, but stop coping about it. Nobody who is in GH cares if you have vengeance. Why do you care so much that GH exists? I know why, because with GH existing, vengeance is dead, which negates all of your arguments about it being a minority player base.
Nobody in GH will ever care about vengeance existing. If you care as a vengeance player about GH existing it's because you know the population of vengeance is low unless every single incentive is given to make people play it.
This is precisely correct based on current PS5 N.A. population numbers and also an accurate assessment in my opinion. Kenna must have been spanked hard in Grey Host to be that bitter.Edited by JohnRingo on December 10, 2025 12:33AM3 -
BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭LennaTheRussian wrote: »BardokRedSnow wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »
Vengeance PCNA 4PM Tuesday.
The only reason why it's not viable is because people don't want to play in an empty campaign. When GH wasn't around and the people that apparently "hated Vengeance" so much that they stopped playing pvp entirely, Vengeance was booming with new players and always had big fights going on.
If it's hated so much by the pvp community then why was it packed on PCNA? Because people enjoy it, but now that GH is back to skew the numbers and make people think GH has more players, people don't want to bother joining Vengeance because they think it's dead (which it is because GH is deceptive with it's bars.)
It's not dead because no one liked playing it, if that was the case then no one would have played it. The bonus ap they offered is not that good of an incentive.
Just accept its dead. And thats good.
GH never needed incentives to be populated.
Time to move on, be part of pvp in GH or let it be and stay outside.
As long people are not forced to play it, vengeance will not become populated. And it was only populated because there was no other way to play cyro pvp and people got lurked with double ap lmao.
Pretty sad you're that desperate tbh.
Not desperated at all, because the actions of the players who straight left vengeance as soon it was possible, just proved the game mode is not accepted or wanted.
If Zos brings that game mode aside of grey host you can have fun fighting guards or three people. It will be like IC basically.
Im happy about all that.
And I can't wait for GH to be retired and Vengeance to take over. All the people who hate Vengeance will flock over. There really only needs to be one campaign and GH is just terrible. It's pretty clear that ZOS's plans are to retire GH and add in a new smaller scale version in replace of it.
Forcing Grey Host players to play in Vengeance demonstrates a complete lack of confidence that Vengeance can attract a player base on its own merits. Which is sad.
Honestly, it probably can. It just won't happen overnight. Vengeance boosters need to put in the work to get new players to try it out. That would be a much more productive use of time and energy than trying to steal away other people's campaigns.
Telling the truth isn't sad, ZOS isn't putting all this effort into Vengeance just to let it flop, and the data clearly proves that when it's the only campaign around, it's popular. So sorry to say but most likely GH is gone in the next year and Vengeance is the only campaign left for full scale Cyro.
And it's not a lack of confidence, it's reality. There just isn't enough players to sustain two campaigns. Ofc GH is popular because that's where ballgroups and 1vXers shine. But the majority of the ESO community hate that and just normal siege pvp with massive battles and no annoying pull sets and bombers.
If the majority of the ESO community hates Grey Host then why aren't they all playing in Vengeance?
Without all of the traditional PvP sweats they should be having the times of their lives.
Because it's missing the boost of the GH pvp community, people are playing Vengeance still. Just fought a zerg with another zerg. If it was the only campaign then it would be more active. Let's be real and stop acting like GH is always populated, it's only populated when a pvp guild decides to get on because people move to where the numbers are, and it's a known fact that for some reason pvp guilds were protesting Vengeance while coming onto the forums to whine about it.
It’s populated when people get off from work*
Which is every evening like most games
Wrong, I have seen countless posts on here that either get deleted or lost in the sea of posts complaining about GH population. As I said it only gains players when a pvp guild gets on and makes the bars go up, otherwise no one bothers because it's boring.
So just to make this clear, your evidence is some posts on this forum, a fraction of the community, some of which magically got deleted, allegedly, and mine is actually playing the game, since beta.Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭I don’t even see why people feel the need to be deceptive and try and manipulate or misrepresent the truth when anyone that plays Grey host during primetime hours, which is anywhere after 7 PM Eastern knows what I’m talking about.
Perhaps they’re on a different server, but when it’s PCNA primetime there are fights every night, especially Friday-SundayZos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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Closing GH and forcing everyone into Vengeance is the typically tone deaf approach we expect from ZOS.
Remember, what they did with BGs this year. The queue times for a BG now can easily exceed 30 mins because hardly anyone wants to play 8v8.Edited by moderatelyfatman on December 10, 2025 12:51AM2 -
BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭"I can't kill you in five minutes of looking at PvP, this game mode is problematic."
This is literally what mmos are, rpgs as a whole, but because we play the game mode more and it doesn't immediately cater to you, we're toxic and you deserve "vengeance" on us.
Keep in mind, you can't even do this in pve, trials, dungeons, etc all take preparation to get to end game content. Maybe there should be a vengeance mode for pve content after all, Sneak was on to something.Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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✭On Ps5 eu vengeance is deaderr than dead was there for 4 or five days before I realised greyhost was also on lol but did enjoy it more the longer I played but got stale fast. Everyone on roughly equal footing is quite exciting but gets dragged down by sluggish combat and movement [performance what?]
Ultimately I think zos will put both GH and vengeance campaigns on together until vengeance becomes the new imperial city
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BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭It will be the new ravenwatch, IC at least has bosses worth farming and occasionally actual pvp.Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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✭BardokRedSnow wrote: »It will be the new ravenwatch, IC at least has bosses worth farming and occasionally actual pvp.
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✭It is viable but the bar for viable is VERY LOW.
There are apps that let people play Solitaire that people watch ads to play... Solitaire. This is viable.
Go into any Target and you will still see Yahtzee, a dice game where you roll dice and write down points, sold for actual money. This is viable too.
No CP IC is viable too. Zero bars all day every day but viable.
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✭LennaTheRussian wrote: »
Vengeance PCNA 4PM Tuesday.
The only reason why it's not viable is because people don't want to play in an empty campaign. When GH wasn't around and the people that apparently "hated Vengeance" so much that they stopped playing pvp entirely, Vengeance was booming with new players and always had big fights going on.
If it's hated so much by the pvp community then why was it packed on PCNA? Because people enjoy it, but now that GH is back to skew the numbers and make people think GH has more players, people don't want to bother joining Vengeance because they think it's dead (which it is because GH is deceptive with it's bars.)
It's not dead because no one liked playing it, if that was the case then no one would have played it. The bonus ap they offered is not that good of an incentive.
Hello, just pointing out that you answered the OP’s question above in bold."IMO"Aldmeri Dominion1 Nightblade - 1 Templar - 7 Hybrid Mutt Abominations0 -
Artisian0001✭✭✭LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »
Vengeance PCNA 4PM Tuesday.
The only reason why it's not viable is because people don't want to play in an empty campaign. When GH wasn't around and the people that apparently "hated Vengeance" so much that they stopped playing pvp entirely, Vengeance was booming with new players and always had big fights going on.
If it's hated so much by the pvp community then why was it packed on PCNA? Because people enjoy it, but now that GH is back to skew the numbers and make people think GH has more players, people don't want to bother joining Vengeance because they think it's dead (which it is because GH is deceptive with it's bars.)
It's not dead because no one liked playing it, if that was the case then no one would have played it. The bonus ap they offered is not that good of an incentive.
Hello, just pointing out that you answered the OP’s question above in bold.
Yep so time to close the thread as it has just devolved into trolling.
Can you explain how it has devolved into trolling when only your responses have been of the kind? You said people were gatekeeping, yet you tried to gatekeep and advocate for the closing of a campaign. You also said vengeance was the more popular option but it's not looking like that at the moment because more people are in GH than in vengeance currently which is keeping it from being more popular... which just means it 's less popular. You are the only troll in this thread.
Oh and by the way, vengeance right now is triple 1 bar while GH is triple pop locked. I think it's pretty obvious what the consensus is for players.5 -
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Not really
I think this illustrates why Zos should stop using this forum as a means to gauge the community at large. It is clearly not an accurate representation of what the fans think.
Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on December 10, 2025 3:20AMZos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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aetherix8✭✭✭✭LennaTheRussian wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »LennaTheRussian wrote: »
Vengeance PCNA 4PM Tuesday.
The only reason why it's not viable is because people don't want to play in an empty campaign. When GH wasn't around and the people that apparently "hated Vengeance" so much that they stopped playing pvp entirely, Vengeance was booming with new players and always had big fights going on.
If it's hated so much by the pvp community then why was it packed on PCNA? Because people enjoy it, but now that GH is back to skew the numbers and make people think GH has more players, people don't want to bother joining Vengeance because they think it's dead (which it is because GH is deceptive with it's bars.)
It's not dead because no one liked playing it, if that was the case then no one would have played it. The bonus ap they offered is not that good of an incentive.
Just accept its dead. And thats good.
GH never needed incentives to be populated.
Time to move on, be part of pvp in GH or let it be and stay outside.
As long people are not forced to play it, vengeance will not become populated. And it was only populated because there was no other way to play cyro pvp and people got lurked with double ap lmao.
Pretty sad you're that desperate tbh.
Not desperated at all, because the actions of the players who straight left vengeance as soon it was possible, just proved the game mode is not accepted or wanted.
If Zos brings that game mode aside of grey host you can have fun fighting guards or three people. It will be like IC basically.
Im happy about all that.
And I can't wait for GH to be retired and Vengeance to take over. All the people who hate Vengeance will flock over. There really only needs to be one campaign and GH is just terrible. It's pretty clear that ZOS's plans are to retire GH and add in a new smaller scale version in replace of it.
Forcing Grey Host players to play in Vengeance demonstrates a complete lack of confidence that Vengeance can attract a player base on its own merits. Which is sad.
Honestly, it probably can. It just won't happen overnight. Vengeance boosters need to put in the work to get new players to try it out. That would be a much more productive use of time and energy than trying to steal away other people's campaigns.
Telling the truth isn't sad, ZOS isn't putting all this effort into Vengeance just to let it flop, and the data clearly proves that when it's the only campaign around, it's popular. So sorry to say but most likely GH is gone in the next year and Vengeance is the only campaign left for full scale Cyro.
And it's not a lack of confidence, it's reality. There just isn't enough players to sustain two campaigns. Ofc GH is popular because that's where ballgroups and 1vXers shine. But the majority of the ESO community hate that and just normal siege pvp with massive battles and no annoying pull sets and bombers.
Why removing GH next year. There’s no need, and if both modes are enabled then we should wait a couple of years to see how they are doing pop wise. GH has its devoted base, but Veng will need to build it from scratch, and this will take some time.
Right now there aren’t enough players to sustain both modes, but that might change if improved Veng attracts new players who then maybe join the vet campaign, when they feel ready.
Vengeance is still an unfinished product, let’s see if its final version will be more appealing long-term. Removing GH too early would be unwise.PC EU - V4hn13 -
BardokRedSnow✭✭✭✭✭There's nothing changing or dynamic about vengeance, it can't build a base. What kept cyrodiil fresh prior was ironically what people complained about the most, the new sets and game changes introduced. As much as people whine and complain about needing to grind new gear or get ready for the new meta, that is the lifeblood of any mmo.
You can't strip that away and expect the pvp to thrive. If it were viable, ravenwatch or even the level 50 and below campaign for entry level pvpers wouldn't be ghost towns.
Even with the dwindling pop of players as a whole, greyhost stays full in primetime. That should be all the developers need to see.
If I were zos and employed there, I'd make vengeance a part of mym only alongside greyhost, as it needs the double ap incentive, or, make it its own event, and then just have greyhost. Players will still be able to familiarize themselves with cyrodiil during slower hours and as we've seen, any other campaign alongside greyhost will just be one faction zerging the entire map.
Zos then: Vengeance is just a test bro
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fizzybeef✭✭✭✭✭I just cant like all these comments, they are to many.
Oh look people say im not right, this is trolling. What a great discussion culture.
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fizzybeef✭✭✭✭✭If people want to play vengeance when it goes live as permanent option, nobody is forcing them.
But trust me they will have not many to fight, because people prefere GH.
Thats just the reality. The Vengeance enjoyers are a noisy MINORITY.
Zos is on a really wrong path pushing this and making this as only option would just result in more people quitting the game.
I know for a fact i would do, and i know for a fact im not the only one.
GH is not perfect but i prefere it 100x over what ever Vengeance is.
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✭✭If people want to play vengeance when it goes live as permanent option, nobody is forcing them.
But trust me they will have not many to fight, because people prefere GH.
Thats just the reality. The Vengeance enjoyers are a noisy MINORITY.
Zos is on a really wrong path pushing this and making this as only option would just result in more people quitting the game.
I know for a fact i would do, and i know for a fact im not the only one.
GH is not perfect but i prefere it 100x over what ever Vengeance is.
Yeah, the game dropped below 10k daily logins on the Steam Charts in November 2024 for the first time in 6 years.
Then it dropped below 9k in September 2025 and has stayed below that since.
I think the remaining players are the daily casuals, fashinistas and housing enthusiasts plus a small smattering of diehard PvPers (Cyrodiil, not BGs or IC) and endgame PvErs.
Now I'm waiting for the conspiracy theorists to come out and say that since only a percentage of players are on Steam and therefore the trends are meaningless. Or maybe that the long term decline is simply Steam players moving over to Epic to take advantage of the clearly superior platform.3 -
fizzybeef✭✭✭✭✭moderatelyfatman wrote: »If people want to play vengeance when it goes live as permanent option, nobody is forcing them.
But trust me they will have not many to fight, because people prefere GH.
Thats just the reality. The Vengeance enjoyers are a noisy MINORITY.
Zos is on a really wrong path pushing this and making this as only option would just result in more people quitting the game.
I know for a fact i would do, and i know for a fact im not the only one.
GH is not perfect but i prefere it 100x over what ever Vengeance is.
Yeah, the game dropped below 10k daily logins on the Steam Charts in November 2024 for the first time in 6 years.
Then it dropped below 9k in September 2025 and has stayed below that since.
I think the remaining players are the daily casuals, fashinistas and housing enthusiasts plus a small smattering of diehard PvPers (Cyrodiil, not BGs or IC) and endgame PvErs.
Now I'm waiting for the conspiracy theorists to come out and say that since only a percentage of players are on Steam and therefore the trends are meaningless. Or maybe that the long term decline is simply Steam players moving over to Epic to take advantage of the clearly superior platform.
Even if the conspiracy theorists claim the chart is not viable, its a trend indicator. It doesnt need to be 100% accurate.
The numbers dropped and continue to drop massively, because ZOS is on a wrong path since years.
Subclassing, Vengeance are just symptoms5