Have you played PvP in Cyrodiil before?

SeaGtGruff

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

Tandor wrote: »

Not interested.

Quite apart from anything else, this forum has seen so much negativity for years in relation to Cyrodiil - performance, balance, ball groups, tea-bagging, among other things - that it's difficult to see why anyone would want to start going there.

To be fair, there has been negativity from a lot of people about one thing or another in the game-- not just about Cyrodiil and PvP, but also about performance, balance, dungeon groups, hate whispers, mudballs and pies, duels in town, combat pets in the way, someone else harvesting a resource node while you were fighting a mob so you could harvest it, treasure chests not being fully looted, etc. One could say that it's difficult to see why anyone would want to start going to PvE zones.

I was terrified of Cyrodiil at first, but I went there to collect the skyshards and do the PvE quests.

Then I began doing some scouting missions, and enjoyed sneaking across Cyrodiil as stealthily as I could, but every once in a while an enemy player would spot me and kill me.

It didn't take long before I lost my fear of running into enemy players and getting killed, and I started tagging along with other players of my alliance as they tried to capture or defend keeps during Midyear Mayhem (before it was renamed).

Then I started going to Cyrodiil more frequently outside of the PvP events, and practiced solo-capturing resources until I was able to do that successfully most of the time (unless one or more enemy players showed up to intervene).

I'm not at the point yet where I'm ready to devote all of my playtime to Cyrodiil, because there is just so much else in the game that I enjoy doing, but it wouldn't take very much to push me in that direction.

In my opinion, the important thing with respect to Cyrodiil PvP is to just jump in and have fun, without getting hung up on how many times you get killed, or worrying too much about your character's build.

Obviously, PvP in general, and Cyrodiil PvP in particular, won't appeal to everyone, and that's okay.

But speaking as someone who used to be afraid of Cyrodiil and who now finds it to be a lot of fun more often than not, I can definitely say that I recommend giving it a try if someone hasn't already. Maybe it won't be their cup of tea-- but then again, maybe they'll discover that it can be fun.

Tandor

No, I've not played in Cyrodiil before

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Not interested.

Quite apart from anything else, this forum has seen so much negativity for years in relation to Cyrodiil - performance, balance, ball groups, tea-bagging, among other things - that it's difficult to see why anyone would want to start going there.

To be fair, there has been negativity from a lot of people about one thing or another in the game-- not just about Cyrodiil and PvP, but also about performance, balance, dungeon groups, hate whispers, mudballs and pies, duels in town, combat pets in the way, someone else harvesting a resource node while you were fighting a mob so you could harvest it, treasure chests not being fully looted, etc. One could say that it's difficult to see why anyone would want to start going to PvE zones.

To be equally fair, there's quite a difference between the points you're referring to here. Some of the PvE issues you mention such as mudballs and pies, and treasure chests not being fully looted, are only raised very occasionally with very little support, and I can't recall the last time hate whispers in PvE were raised, while negativity about Cyrodiil's performance and balance (together with hate whispers and tea-bagging in Cyrodiil) are constantly raised and well supported as well as ball groups which have already been mentioned several times in this thread alone as a major factor in players not wanting to bother with Cyrodiil after trying it.

To take something like performance in Cyrodiil and attempt to put it on the same level in PvE over the past 11 years would alone be absurd, and totally disingenuous.

DoofusMax

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

Yes. It's not one of my regular activities, but I've done keep taking/defending outside of Whitestrake's events and Vengeance campaigns, rode cover for Elder Scrolls, flipped towns, and the rest. I don't anticipate that it will ever become part of my regular activities, but I'll continue to dabble a bit as the mood takes me.

Danikat

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

I've played it but I'm not that interested.

Even I don't entirely understand why but in Guild Wars 2 I like the large scale PvP (World vs World) and not the small team version and in ESO I never really got into Cyrodiil but used to like Battlegrounds until they were redesigned. (I don't hate the new verison, but it's not as fun as it used to be.) But I'm never that interested in PvP in any game.

It's funny in retrospect that when I first went to Cyrodiil I used to not only go out of my way to avoid roads and other areas I thought I was likely to encounter enemy groups but I'd also sneak everywhere because I thought the whole map would be full of players roaming around hunting for spies, scouts and anyone on their own who might be an easy target. I know dying doesn't matter, but it's annoying (especially on a map that huge) if you get killed on your way somewhere. Once I learned how it actually works I'd just run in as straight a line as possible to my destination and just avoid anything that's currently under attack unless I want to join in.

SeaGtGruff

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

Tandor wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Not interested.

Quite apart from anything else, this forum has seen so much negativity for years in relation to Cyrodiil - performance, balance, ball groups, tea-bagging, among other things - that it's difficult to see why anyone would want to start going there.

To be fair, there has been negativity from a lot of people about one thing or another in the game-- not just about Cyrodiil and PvP, but also about performance, balance, dungeon groups, hate whispers, mudballs and pies, duels in town, combat pets in the way, someone else harvesting a resource node while you were fighting a mob so you could harvest it, treasure chests not being fully looted, etc. One could say that it's difficult to see why anyone would want to start going to PvE zones.

To be equally fair, there's quite a difference between the points you're referring to here. Some of the PvE issues you mention such as mudballs and pies, and treasure chests not being fully looted, are only raised very occasionally with very little support, and I can't recall the last time hate whispers in PvE were raised, while negativity about Cyrodiil's performance and balance (together with hate whispers and tea-bagging in Cyrodiil) are constantly raised and well supported as well as ball groups which have already been mentioned several times in this thread alone as a major factor in players not wanting to bother with Cyrodiil after trying it.

To take something like performance in Cyrodiil and attempt to put it on the same level in PvE over the past 11 years would alone be absurd, and totally disingenuous.

It sounds like you've already closed your mind about it.

But I can't help thinking about the players complaining about subclassing and demanding that it be removed, just for a start.

If you think it's totally disingenuous to point out that players complain about all sorts of things related to PvE, that's okay. But I doubt that everyone who complains about the quality of quest writing, the size of new zones, and everything else they like to complain about, are talking about Cyrodiil and PvP.

Also, I never said that one thing was on the same level as the other.

AvalonRanger

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

"penetration", "impenetration"

I can't understand this game concept at all.
(I know mech. just can't understand mindset of this game design.)
Because, there're no 100% damage mitigation build in the ESO.

So...

Why this game can't make it simple just like "damage amount" or "defensive power"?
Why we can't play PVP contents just like PVE rule and basis, but very biased meta?
(<ref>Like 12 trial style, defense role, attacker role, healing role)

Dev put 2 totally different game title at once in the one title with nonsense style.
Because they put 2 different world in the same game, but they also made huge
separating wall in it.

Technically, the ESO game design is wrong.

Tandor

No, I've not played in Cyrodiil before

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Not interested.

Quite apart from anything else, this forum has seen so much negativity for years in relation to Cyrodiil - performance, balance, ball groups, tea-bagging, among other things - that it's difficult to see why anyone would want to start going there.

To be fair, there has been negativity from a lot of people about one thing or another in the game-- not just about Cyrodiil and PvP, but also about performance, balance, dungeon groups, hate whispers, mudballs and pies, duels in town, combat pets in the way, someone else harvesting a resource node while you were fighting a mob so you could harvest it, treasure chests not being fully looted, etc. One could say that it's difficult to see why anyone would want to start going to PvE zones.

To be equally fair, there's quite a difference between the points you're referring to here. Some of the PvE issues you mention such as mudballs and pies, and treasure chests not being fully looted, are only raised very occasionally with very little support, and I can't recall the last time hate whispers in PvE were raised, while negativity about Cyrodiil's performance and balance (together with hate whispers and tea-bagging in Cyrodiil) are constantly raised and well supported as well as ball groups which have already been mentioned several times in this thread alone as a major factor in players not wanting to bother with Cyrodiil after trying it.

To take something like performance in Cyrodiil and attempt to put it on the same level in PvE over the past 11 years would alone be absurd, and totally disingenuous.

It sounds like you've already closed your mind about it.

But I can't help thinking about the players complaining about subclassing and demanding that it be removed, just for a start.

If you think it's totally disingenuous to point out that players complain about all sorts of things related to PvE, that's okay. But I doubt that everyone who complains about the quality of quest writing, the size of new zones, and everything else they like to complain about, are talking about Cyrodiil and PvP.

Also, I never said that one thing was on the same level as the other.

That's not what I said. I referred specifically to performance, and if you're not in fact equating performance in Cyrodiil with that in PvE then that's fine, and I happily accept your stating that.

In so far as I've closed my mind to PvP that's because I have no interest in it in ESO, but the point I was making is that the constant negativity about it on the forum from those who do participate in it doesn't give any non-PvPer like me an incentive to be more open-minded and try it.

Auberon1983

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

Yes, I play a healbot in GH (DC, PS/NA). I have fun, though admittedly it is growing stale, so I'm somewhat excited about the new (not vengeance) mode being touted.

However, PvP, especially GH, has changed so much over the years I no longer recommend it to new(er) players.

Kind of one of those "I'm there because I invested early" type things. I'll never dissuade new blood wanting to try it, no way, but I no longer try to nudge people in there anymore.

FWIW, I do hope ZOS keeps GH. Even the bombers, the ball groups, the werewolf packs, etc I don't care, GH is a comfy old shirt and I'm not ready to throw it away yet, even if it is frayed and has holes in it.

metheglyn

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

I've played it enough to know it's not for me.

AzuraFan

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

Yes, but not often. Maybe 3-4 times tops.

Tyrobag

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

Yes, because unfortunately there are a couple of collectables and important abilities locked behind participation in that cesspit. Its great: I mean who doesn't like sitting around for 30 minutes waiting for something to actually happen, just to get 1 shot by an op build. Or riding a horse for 5 minutes (10 if you you haven't done the grind for your mount yet), just to get 1 shot by an op build within 30 seconds of reaching your destination. Or, if you're lucky, you may get to be part of a ball group where you just blow though everything by sheer numbers, in which case you get to ruin someone else's day! Yay!

PvP is awful.

peacenote

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

Yep! Love it!

guarstompemoji

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

I used to play regularly, but the number of changes and adjustments every 3 months made it impossible to do both pvp and pve indepth. So I dropped pvp after a few itenerations of this, but would still join during events.

With multiclassing, I've heard horror stories of how broken pvp is now, and can only imagine.

With the level of dedication and specialization pve leans into, I just can't do both ends of it. That is, pvp, too, esp if it changes in 3 mos.

And w multiclassing: no.

Orbital78

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

I may more often once a perm vengence campaign comes. One of my guilds is almost always in there or IC. The queue times are a big turn off.

Avran_Sylt

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

When I play PvP: I mean I don't stress, I either look for a good fight, unless it's around a keeps 2nd floor farming for the other team, then I Disconnect and play DBD (If time allows it)

I am fairweather, but activities will be what pulls me in, and actually progressing them (vengeance scaling allowing better gradual progress) will be what holds me for a little while (if not the spectacle). (I have accepted that rank gain is slow AF for PVP, with regards to chasing a black hue color for customization).

spartaxoxo

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

JeroenB wrote: »

It's not clear to me what this poll is intended to convey? As I understand it, players in the 'Once for a few hours one afternoon a few years ago. Hated it, never went back. Since then I ignore all PvP events, Endeavours, etc.'-situation vote for the same option as players in the 'Yes! It's my primary game mode in ESO! I spend almost all my time there! I love Vengeance! I love not-Vengeance! I eagerly await more PvP development efforts!'-situation?

Yeah. It feels odd to be included in the "yes," group for PvP. Majority of my PvP time is during events. I have done a tiny amount of PvP outside of that but we're talking very small play sessions 1-3 times a year.

I wouldn't really describe that as being a PvPer.

Erickson9610

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

spartaxoxo wrote: »

JeroenB wrote: »

It's not clear to me what this poll is intended to convey? As I understand it, players in the 'Once for a few hours one afternoon a few years ago. Hated it, never went back. Since then I ignore all PvP events, Endeavours, etc.'-situation vote for the same option as players in the 'Yes! It's my primary game mode in ESO! I spend almost all my time there! I love Vengeance! I love not-Vengeance! I eagerly await more PvP development efforts!'-situation?

Yeah. It feels odd to be included in the "yes," group for PvP. Majority of my PvP time is during events. I have done a tiny amount of PvP outside of that but we're talking very small play sessions 1-3 times a year.

I wouldn't really describe that as being a PvPer.

The poll is meant to show the split between people who have never played PvP in Cyrodiil and the people who have, not to show who currently plays PvP and who doesn't. Surprisingly, some people legitimately have never set foot in Cyrodiil, and I hope to encourage them to give it a shot.

Syldras

No, I've not played in Cyrodiil before

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Surprisingly, some people legitimately have never set foot in Cyrodiil, and I hope to encourage them to give it a shot.

What for?

licenturion

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

I played it before, but not my favourite mode until there is balance and parity between classes, sets and skills.

I also played IC (a bit) and battlegrounds (a lot). I have also done all the quests and have 100 percent map completion.

But all suffer from the same problems these days and I only go when there is an event with rewards so we can group up.

Erickson9610

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

Syldras wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Surprisingly, some people legitimately have never set foot in Cyrodiil, and I hope to encourage them to give it a shot.

What for?

When I first started this game, I was nervous about playing PvP. I didn't touch it at all, until by some misunderstanding I was invited to a Cyrodiil group by one of my guilds. I gave PvP a chance and it's been one of my favorite experiences in this game to date.

I hope to encourage more people to take that first step, because it could give them another reason to play this game. I totally understand if PvP doesn't appeal to you, though.

ceruulean

Yes, I've played in Cyrodiil before

I sometimes go into Cyrodiil to get my tier 1 rewards, but it is a far cry from what it used to be in 2018. As a solo player, it is way more boring and harder to get into than I remember, and I'm better at PvP now than back then.

ESO_player123

No, I've not played in Cyrodiil before

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Surprisingly, some people legitimately have never set foot in Cyrodiil, and I hope to encourage them to give it a shot.

My "no" vote does not mean that I have never set foot in Cyrodiil. I got all of the lore books from Cyro on my main for the Eidetic memory collection, I got the Cyro angler and the skyshards (the last two not on the same toon, but I got them after AwA so it did not matter). I'm also doing dailies for the event tickets. I'm just not interested in PvP, and you clarified that your poll is strictly about PvP.