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Revert the Azureblight Nerf
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✭✭✭Synapsis123 wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »Synapsis123 wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »Synapsis123 wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »
Ah, I see you're having trouble understanding even with the proof right in front of you. I'd suggest rereading it carefully before calling it meaningless—unless, of course, you're just here to derail the conversation. In that case, mission accomplished!
What proof? This isn't proof of anything at all without the context in which it occurred. Yes, Azureblight does a lot of damage, however it only does that damage in specific contexts in which it provides a counter to tight stacking like in a ballgroup. Ballgroups which output absurd shielding that is commensurate with the damage output by azureblight from a commensurate number of people wearing the set. Your screenshot devoid of the context is a textbook example of how to mislead with "statistics". Without the context is is quite literally meaningless.
Your dismissal of the evidence presented is both shortsighted and misguided. Let's break down why your argument falls flat:
1. Context is clear: The screenshot provides ample context. It's a PvP scenario with multiple players, clearly showing Azureblight's devastating impact. Claiming it's "meaningless" without more context is a weak attempt to deflect from the obvious.
2."Specific contexts" argument is flawed: Azureblight's effectiveness isn't limited to just countering tight stacks. It's consistently powerful in various PvP scenarios, making it overpowered and unbalanced.
3.Ballgroup shielding comparison is irrelevant: Comparing Azureblight's damage to ballgroup shielding is a false equivalency. Azureblight requires far less coordination and skill to use effectively compared to maintaining a well-organized ballgroup.s
4.Misuse of "statistics": You accuse others of misleading with statistics, yet you provide no counter-data or evidence to support your claims. This is a clear case of projection.
5.Ignoring real-world impact: Your argument completely disregards the frustration and imbalance experienced by players facing Azureblight users, which is a crucial aspect of game balance.
6.Oversimplification: By reducing the discussion to "it only does damage in specific contexts," you're glossing over the set's overall impact on PvP meta and gameplay experience.
In conclusion, your attempt to discredit the evidence and downplay Azureblight's power fails to address the core issue of its imbalance in PvP. The screenshot, combined with widespread player experiences, clearly demonstrates that Azureblight needs rebalancing for the health of the game's PvP environment.
1. No it isn't there is no context whatsoever.
2. You keep saying this without providing any evidence at all
3. It absolutely is relevant because of the sets niche as an effective counter to these groups
4. I'm not the one making claims here, you are, it is on you to provide evidence for your claim that the set is overwhelming to people outside the stacked players scenario, you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding in how substantiating claims is done.
5. What impact, what imbalance, what frustartion, you've shown nothing to this claim.
6. There is no impact outside those scenarios, you've failed to show otherwise.
Provide evidence for your claims, you've completely failed to do so.
Please stop disrupting this thread.
Your continued denial of clear evidence and misrepresentation of the situation is frustrating, but let me address each of your points:
1. Context: The screenshot clearly shows multiple players affected by Azureblight in a PvP scenario. This is ample context for anyone familiar with the game. If you don't play the game in PvP you can just say so.
2. Evidence: The widespread use of Azureblight in various PvP scenarios, from small-scale to large battles, is well-documented in the forums, on discord, and youtube videos. Its prevalence alone speaks to its effectiveness beyond just countering stacked groups.
3. Relevance: While it may counter ball groups, its power extends far beyond this niche. It's effective against any group of players in close proximity, which happens frequently in PvP.
4. Burden of proof: The screenshot provided is evidence. Your dismissal without counter-evidence is not an argument. Moreover, countless player testimonials across forums support the claim of Azureblight's overwhelming power.
5. Impact and frustration: The fact that we're having this debate is evidence of the frustration. Numerous threads on official forums and Reddit discuss the imbalance Azureblight creates in PvP.
6.Impact outside scenarios: Azureblight affects small group fights and even solo players caught in its AoE. Its damage potential often forces players to adjust their entire playstyle just to play around this one set.
You're demanding an unreasonable level of proof while providing none yourself. The community's ongoing discussion about Azureblight, the screenshot provided, and its prevalent use in PvP all point to its overtuned nature. Your argument essentially boils down to "I don't see it, so it doesn't exist," which is not a valid stance in game balance discussions.
The screenshot that you're obsessed with shows zero of the essential context for understanding what is happening with the damage here, how many people were running Blight, how many people were stacked, NOTHING. Zero of the essential context. Pretending that it isn't needed is actually wild. Nothing else you've said is even worth engaging with. Complete and utter nonsense.
Your dismissive attitude and refusal to engage with the broader argument only serves to highlight the weakness of your position. Let's break this down:
1. Context Obsession: You’re fixated on demanding excessive context.
2. Essential Information: The exact number of players using Azureblight or stacked is irrelevant. The key issue is that it consistently causes disproportionate damage, regardless of the specifics.
3. Dismissal Without Evidence: Calling my points "complete and utter nonsense" without providing any counter-evidence only highlights the weakness of your position.
4. Shifting Goalposts: You’ve moved from discussing effectiveness to nitpicking screenshot details, avoiding the core issue of game balance.
Your argument has devolved into denial and deflection. The community widely recognizes Azureblight as overpowered, and your refusal to engage meaningfully only underscores the validity of these concerns.
This is simply wrong. That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. You've provided no evidence. The context that you seem to think doesn't matter affects the entirety of how the set works at a fundamental level nothing about the set can be assessed without this context I don't understand why you fail to grasp this.4 -
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✭✭✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »Synapsis123 wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »Synapsis123 wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »
Ah, I see you're having trouble understanding even with the proof right in front of you. I'd suggest rereading it carefully before calling it meaningless—unless, of course, you're just here to derail the conversation. In that case, mission accomplished!
What proof? This isn't proof of anything at all without the context in which it occurred. Yes, Azureblight does a lot of damage, however it only does that damage in specific contexts in which it provides a counter to tight stacking like in a ballgroup. Ballgroups which output absurd shielding that is commensurate with the damage output by azureblight from a commensurate number of people wearing the set. Your screenshot devoid of the context is a textbook example of how to mislead with "statistics". Without the context is is quite literally meaningless.
Your dismissal of the evidence presented is both shortsighted and misguided. Let's break down why your argument falls flat:
1. Context is clear: The screenshot provides ample context. It's a PvP scenario with multiple players, clearly showing Azureblight's devastating impact. Claiming it's "meaningless" without more context is a weak attempt to deflect from the obvious.
2."Specific contexts" argument is flawed: Azureblight's effectiveness isn't limited to just countering tight stacks. It's consistently powerful in various PvP scenarios, making it overpowered and unbalanced.
3.Ballgroup shielding comparison is irrelevant: Comparing Azureblight's damage to ballgroup shielding is a false equivalency. Azureblight requires far less coordination and skill to use effectively compared to maintaining a well-organized ballgroup.s
4.Misuse of "statistics": You accuse others of misleading with statistics, yet you provide no counter-data or evidence to support your claims. This is a clear case of projection.
5.Ignoring real-world impact: Your argument completely disregards the frustration and imbalance experienced by players facing Azureblight users, which is a crucial aspect of game balance.
6.Oversimplification: By reducing the discussion to "it only does damage in specific contexts," you're glossing over the set's overall impact on PvP meta and gameplay experience.
In conclusion, your attempt to discredit the evidence and downplay Azureblight's power fails to address the core issue of its imbalance in PvP. The screenshot, combined with widespread player experiences, clearly demonstrates that Azureblight needs rebalancing for the health of the game's PvP environment.
1. No it isn't there is no context whatsoever.
2. You keep saying this without providing any evidence at all
3. It absolutely is relevant because of the sets niche as an effective counter to these groups
4. I'm not the one making claims here, you are, it is on you to provide evidence for your claim that the set is overwhelming to people outside the stacked players scenario, you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding in how substantiating claims is done.
5. What impact, what imbalance, what frustartion, you've shown nothing to this claim.
6. There is no impact outside those scenarios, you've failed to show otherwise.
Provide evidence for your claims, you've completely failed to do so.
Please stop disrupting this thread.
Your continued denial of clear evidence and misrepresentation of the situation is frustrating, but let me address each of your points:
1. Context: The screenshot clearly shows multiple players affected by Azureblight in a PvP scenario. This is ample context for anyone familiar with the game. If you don't play the game in PvP you can just say so.
2. Evidence: The widespread use of Azureblight in various PvP scenarios, from small-scale to large battles, is well-documented in the forums, on discord, and youtube videos. Its prevalence alone speaks to its effectiveness beyond just countering stacked groups.
3. Relevance: While it may counter ball groups, its power extends far beyond this niche. It's effective against any group of players in close proximity, which happens frequently in PvP.
4. Burden of proof: The screenshot provided is evidence. Your dismissal without counter-evidence is not an argument. Moreover, countless player testimonials across forums support the claim of Azureblight's overwhelming power.
5. Impact and frustration: The fact that we're having this debate is evidence of the frustration. Numerous threads on official forums and Reddit discuss the imbalance Azureblight creates in PvP.
6.Impact outside scenarios: Azureblight affects small group fights and even solo players caught in its AoE. Its damage potential often forces players to adjust their entire playstyle just to play around this one set.
You're demanding an unreasonable level of proof while providing none yourself. The community's ongoing discussion about Azureblight, the screenshot provided, and its prevalent use in PvP all point to its overtuned nature. Your argument essentially boils down to "I don't see it, so it doesn't exist," which is not a valid stance in game balance discussions.
The screenshot that you're obsessed with shows zero of the essential context for understanding what is happening with the damage here, how many people were running Blight, how many people were stacked, NOTHING. Zero of the essential context. Pretending that it isn't needed is actually wild. Nothing else you've said is even worth engaging with. Complete and utter nonsense.
Interesting take—'obsessed' is a bit dramatic, don’t you think? The screenshot shows exactly what I intended: the damage output of Azureblight. It’s not about how many people were stacked or wearing the set; it’s about showcasing the potential of the set itself. If you think that invalidates the data, that’s your opinion, but dismissing everything else as 'nonsense' just shows you’re not really interested in an actual discussion, just nitpicking to dodge the point.
Azure blight is a 100% context dependent set in terms of its damage output failing to provide that context is only actively misleading at best3 -
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