"item expired" messages so frequent I dread logging on now, please revert limitation

reazea · July 8

Please ZOS, PLEASE, can we please have our item listing duration put back to 30 days? Please?

Every time I log on now I'm getting 5-15 "item expired" messages and it's getting to where It's discouraging me from logging on. Fourteen days is simply too short of a listing duration, especially when the market is slumping and slowing so drastically at the same time. Trade guilds are really feeling the pinch these days and the 14 day listing time is hurting them the most.

I'm listing my items at about 80%, sometimes less, than what add ons say the value of the item is, so any comments to the effect of "lower your prices" are not reasonable responses. It would be more reasonable to tell those of us who've relied heavily on guild sales to just stop participating in buying and selling in game.

sarahthes · July 8

reazea wrote: »

Please ZOS, PLEASE, can we please have our item listing duration put back to 30 days? Please?

Every time I log on now I'm getting 5-15 "item expired" messages and it's getting to where It's discouraging me from logging on. Fourteen days is simply too short of a listing duration, especially when the market is slumping and slowing so drastically at the same time. Trade guilds are really feeling the pinch these days and the 14 day listing time is hurting them the most.

I'm listing my items at about 80%, sometimes less, than what add ons say the value of the item is, so any comments to the effect of "lower your prices" are not reasonable responses. It would be more reasonable to tell those of us who've relied heavily on guild sales to just stop participating in buying and selling in game.

Pricing has crashed through the floor on almost every commodity. Thirty day listings just means it's going to take longer to not sell, wasting your listing slots.

Araneae6537 · July 8

As stated, I think it is the state of the market that many things are not selling, even when listed below average prices and on high traffic traders. It’s unfortunate that the change to listing time occurred now as it serves to conflate the two.

I do wonder about all the things that are needed to cut back — why are there such problems? 30 day listings seem standard in MMOs, which I would think would be more likely to be a problem on a central auction house due to quantity. And those systems allow for standing buy orders as well. And then there are the mail limits. These seem to me like they should be little things performance wise — why are they such a problem / limiting in ESO?

(Edited for clarity.)

reazea · July 8

sarahthes wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

Please ZOS, PLEASE, can we please have our item listing duration put back to 30 days? Please?

Every time I log on now I'm getting 5-15 "item expired" messages and it's getting to where It's discouraging me from logging on. Fourteen days is simply too short of a listing duration, especially when the market is slumping and slowing so drastically at the same time. Trade guilds are really feeling the pinch these days and the 14 day listing time is hurting them the most.

I'm listing my items at about 80%, sometimes less, than what add ons say the value of the item is, so any comments to the effect of "lower your prices" are not reasonable responses. It would be more reasonable to tell those of us who've relied heavily on guild sales to just stop participating in buying and selling in game.

Pricing has crashed through the floor on almost every commodity. Thirty day listings just means it's going to take longer to not sell, wasting your listing slots.

So increase the listing time to 45 or 60 days.

sarahthes · July 8

reazea wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

Please ZOS, PLEASE, can we please have our item listing duration put back to 30 days? Please?

Every time I log on now I'm getting 5-15 "item expired" messages and it's getting to where It's discouraging me from logging on. Fourteen days is simply too short of a listing duration, especially when the market is slumping and slowing so drastically at the same time. Trade guilds are really feeling the pinch these days and the 14 day listing time is hurting them the most.

I'm listing my items at about 80%, sometimes less, than what add ons say the value of the item is, so any comments to the effect of "lower your prices" are not reasonable responses. It would be more reasonable to tell those of us who've relied heavily on guild sales to just stop participating in buying and selling in game.

Pricing has crashed through the floor on almost every commodity. Thirty day listings just means it's going to take longer to not sell, wasting your listing slots.

So increase the listing time to 45 or 60 days.

So you can not sell it in 60 days instead?

Nothing is selling right now. For most items, if they don't sell in 4ish days, they aren't going to sell at all.

reazea · July 8

sarahthes wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

Please ZOS, PLEASE, can we please have our item listing duration put back to 30 days? Please?

Every time I log on now I'm getting 5-15 "item expired" messages and it's getting to where It's discouraging me from logging on. Fourteen days is simply too short of a listing duration, especially when the market is slumping and slowing so drastically at the same time. Trade guilds are really feeling the pinch these days and the 14 day listing time is hurting them the most.

I'm listing my items at about 80%, sometimes less, than what add ons say the value of the item is, so any comments to the effect of "lower your prices" are not reasonable responses. It would be more reasonable to tell those of us who've relied heavily on guild sales to just stop participating in buying and selling in game.

Pricing has crashed through the floor on almost every commodity. Thirty day listings just means it's going to take longer to not sell, wasting your listing slots.

So increase the listing time to 45 or 60 days.

So you can not sell it in 60 days instead?

Nothing is selling right now. For most items, if they don't sell in 4ish days, they aren't going to sell at all.

Not true. Items like the timbercrow outfit, aetheric ciphers, the special armor and weapon sets bought with items you can only earn one of per day etc. don't sell quickly because they are expensive and not everyone can afford them, even though they want them.

This is not a case of "your item is priced too high if it doesn't sell in 4 days" situation.

h9dlb · July 8

14 days isn't working

sarahthes · July 8

reazea wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

Please ZOS, PLEASE, can we please have our item listing duration put back to 30 days? Please?

Every time I log on now I'm getting 5-15 "item expired" messages and it's getting to where It's discouraging me from logging on. Fourteen days is simply too short of a listing duration, especially when the market is slumping and slowing so drastically at the same time. Trade guilds are really feeling the pinch these days and the 14 day listing time is hurting them the most.

I'm listing my items at about 80%, sometimes less, than what add ons say the value of the item is, so any comments to the effect of "lower your prices" are not reasonable responses. It would be more reasonable to tell those of us who've relied heavily on guild sales to just stop participating in buying and selling in game.

Pricing has crashed through the floor on almost every commodity. Thirty day listings just means it's going to take longer to not sell, wasting your listing slots.

So increase the listing time to 45 or 60 days.

So you can not sell it in 60 days instead?

Nothing is selling right now. For most items, if they don't sell in 4ish days, they aren't going to sell at all.

Not true. Items like the timbercrow outfit, aetheric ciphers, the special armor and weapon sets bought with items you can only earn one of per day etc. don't sell quickly because they are expensive and not everyone can afford them, even though they want them.

This is not a case of "your item is priced too high if it doesn't sell in 4 days" situation.

Nobody has gold right now. There's a liquidity crisis on PC NA at the moment. The people who can afford your items have them already, and the people who don't have them can't afford them.

It has nothing to do with listing times and everything to do with most items costing 1/3 of what they cost four months ago.

LunaFlora · July 8

some items are not selling much or at all because they are listed too high and some because they are not something most people need.

For example doubt many people still buy set items since curated drops.
and that will decrease even more with update 43 as containers like from Imperial City will also be curated.

i imagine motifs from 2021 or 2020 and older are probably less likely to sell as well due to how high the supply is from the multiple years of them existing and being event
(like Jubilee) rewards.

Same of course for most furnishing plans of that age. unless i guess it's Vampiric, Dwarven, or Ayleid.

and if the listing time got increased you would simply get your items back much later than now.

unless of course the problem is simply your price like don't list a motif chapter for 100k+ expecting it to sell very fast. some people might be willing to spend that much on one motif chapter, but not the majority of players.

SilverBride · July 8

Don't items only expire if they have been sitting in the mail for more than 14 days? Just open the mail and retrieve them before that happens.

freespirit · July 8

SilverBride wrote: »

Don't items only expire if they have been sitting in the mail for more than 14 days? Just open the mail and retrieve them before that happens.

Op is talking about Trader listings expiring.

WolfCombatPet · July 8

Most players that buy things are newish players.

Hard-core players either have everything or know how to get those things.

But Gold Road introduced a gold sink for every player with scribing.
People are saving their gold to buy grimoires.

Listing things for 30 days won't make a difference. The damage to the economy has already been done.

Tandor · July 8

sarahthes wrote: »

It has nothing to do with listing times and everything to do with most items costing 1/3 of what they cost four months ago.

Which is a good thing, except for those traders who have the most gold and can afford to pay the previous prices. It should open the economy up to more people - although some adjustment may also be required in the rent paid for kiosks, and that is likely to take more time to settle down.

SilverBride · July 8

freespirit wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Don't items only expire if they have been sitting in the mail for more than 14 days? Just open the mail and retrieve them before that happens.

Op is talking about Trader listings expiring.

My mistake!

Syldras · July 8

WolfCombatPet wrote: »

Most players that buy things are newish players.
Hard-core players either have everything or know how to get those things.

Are you sure? If I want a certain style page or furniture plan (or the last missing public dungeon fragment, back when they were still different parts to combine) I'd rather buy it instead of running content over and over again until maybe the right thing drops. I have millions of gold in my bank, after all, and with every week, it's at least 250.000 more. What to do with it if not spend it?

SilverBride · July 8

WolfCombatPet wrote: »

Most players that buy things are newish players.

Hard-core players either have everything or know how to get those things.

I'm a long time player and I know how to get the things I need. I buy them from guild traders.

I am not going to spend hours of my play time farming when I can spend a minimal amount of time selling and use my profits to buy what I need.

Thysbe · July 8

same - as a long time player I dont need to farm anything that´s obtainable via gold

Just spent a few millions 3 weeks ago, because I really don´t want to do any more Necrom Dailies for rarely dropping structure plans. Did the 30 dailiy achievements and will buy the missing Shardborn style pages soon - just want prices to go a bit lower.

Timbercrow Outfit or other items bought for PVP seals might not go as well just 2 weeks before midyear starts

I agree to the "whats not selling within 4 days will most likely not sell at all" but this experince might depend a lot on what trader you are at - with Vivec front row sales expectations you really can´t afford to let items sit for weeks

with the ink farm craze materials will only sell at a significantly lower price - its currently really more a buyer than a seller market

notyuu · July 8

A mixture of increased supply and the reduced listing time accelerating the trends in the economy by 50%(both up and down) means you'll have to learn to sell things at a more reasonable price or fail to have them sell at all, personally I sell things at ~30% below market rate and they are snapped up with the hour...

LPapirius · July 8

Tandor wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

It has nothing to do with listing times and everything to do with most items costing 1/3 of what they cost four months ago.

Which is a good thing, except for those traders who have the most gold and can afford to pay the previous prices. It should open the economy up to more people - although some adjustment may also be required in the rent paid for kiosks, and that is likely to take more time to settle down.

It seems like ZOS is taking action, yet again, that knowingly harms vet players in favor of the casual players. It seems like most changes since and including U35 has been a hit to the veteran players. And the result is it's very hard to impossible to find any good tutorials for the new trials and ESO's most difficult content.

sarahthes · July 8

LPapirius wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

It has nothing to do with listing times and everything to do with most items costing 1/3 of what they cost four months ago.

Which is a good thing, except for those traders who have the most gold and can afford to pay the previous prices. It should open the economy up to more people - although some adjustment may also be required in the rent paid for kiosks, and that is likely to take more time to settle down.

It seems like ZOS is taking action, yet again, that knowingly harms vet players in favor of the casual players. It seems like most changes since and including U35 has been a hit to the veteran players. And the result is it's very hard to impossible to find any good tutorials for the new trials and ESO's most difficult content.

Idk I run a casual trade guild and we are having a lot more trouble finding our guild trader than the more serious ones with deeper pockets are likely to.

Shara_Wynn · July 10

I'm selling all my stuff at half what TTC recommends and it's still not selling. Losing so much money because of it.

SerafinaWaterstar · July 10

LPapirius wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

It has nothing to do with listing times and everything to do with most items costing 1/3 of what they cost four months ago.

Which is a good thing, except for those traders who have the most gold and can afford to pay the previous prices. It should open the economy up to more people - although some adjustment may also be required in the rent paid for kiosks, and that is likely to take more time to settle down.

It seems like ZOS is taking action, yet again, that knowingly harms vet players in favor of the casual players. It seems like most changes since and including U35 has been a hit to the veteran players. And the result is it's very hard to impossible to find any good tutorials for the new trials and ESO's most difficult content.

How so? I have been trading for a while now & agree that if not sold within 14 days, its rarely going to sell. That’s not affecting vet players, just the market.

Trader slot times has nothing to do with trials. That’s a big reach.

LaintalAy · July 10

reazea wrote: »

Please ZOS, PLEASE, can we please have our item listing duration put back to 30 days? Please?

Every time I log on now I'm getting 5-15 "item expired" messages and it's getting to where It's discouraging me from logging on. Fourteen days is simply too short of a listing duration, especially when the market is slumping and slowing so drastically at the same time. Trade guilds are really feeling the pinch these days and the 14 day listing time is hurting them the most.

I'm listing my items at about 80%, sometimes less, than what add ons say the value of the item is, so any comments to the effect of "lower your prices" are not reasonable responses. It would be more reasonable to tell those of us who've relied heavily on guild sales to just stop participating in buying and selling in game.

I'm listing my food items at 3gp. They sell.
I'm listing my reagents at 50gp. They sell.
I'm listing hardwood at 1200gp. It sells.

Nothing in my guild roster has less than 10 days to expire.

Lower your prices or just stop participating in buying and selling in game.

Aurielle · July 10

sarahthes wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

sarahthes wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

Please ZOS, PLEASE, can we please have our item listing duration put back to 30 days? Please?

Every time I log on now I'm getting 5-15 "item expired" messages and it's getting to where It's discouraging me from logging on. Fourteen days is simply too short of a listing duration, especially when the market is slumping and slowing so drastically at the same time. Trade guilds are really feeling the pinch these days and the 14 day listing time is hurting them the most.

I'm listing my items at about 80%, sometimes less, than what add ons say the value of the item is, so any comments to the effect of "lower your prices" are not reasonable responses. It would be more reasonable to tell those of us who've relied heavily on guild sales to just stop participating in buying and selling in game.

Pricing has crashed through the floor on almost every commodity. Thirty day listings just means it's going to take longer to not sell, wasting your listing slots.

So increase the listing time to 45 or 60 days.

So you can not sell it in 60 days instead?

Nothing is selling right now. For most items, if they don't sell in 4ish days, they aren't going to sell at all.

That was my rule of thumb even when 30 day listings were a thing. If it hadn’t sold in a week, I’d cancel the listing and repost it.

MasterSpatula · July 10

It's just demoralizing.

Necrotech_Master · July 10

while i understand its frustrating to get expiry emails, at the same time it means the item was either not priced correctly (too high), or there was no demand for said item

if it gets returned to me i just take my previously listed price, relist with the new pricing data average, or if i had no data, just relist it lower than my previous listing

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

I'm selling all my stuff at half what TTC recommends and it's still not selling. Losing so much money because of it.

TTC recommends whatever people have things listed at, which is likely far too high still, doesnt necessarily indicate stuff is selling at that price

CrashTest · July 10

Lower your prices and you will sell then you won't have expired mail.

I_killed_Vivec · July 10

LaintalAy wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

Please ZOS, PLEASE, can we please have our item listing duration put back to 30 days? Please?

Every time I log on now I'm getting 5-15 "item expired" messages and it's getting to where It's discouraging me from logging on. Fourteen days is simply too short of a listing duration, especially when the market is slumping and slowing so drastically at the same time. Trade guilds are really feeling the pinch these days and the 14 day listing time is hurting them the most.

I'm listing my items at about 80%, sometimes less, than what add ons say the value of the item is, so any comments to the effect of "lower your prices" are not reasonable responses. It would be more reasonable to tell those of us who've relied heavily on guild sales to just stop participating in buying and selling in game.

I'm listing my food items at 3gp. They sell.
I'm listing my reagents at 50gp. They sell.
I'm listing hardwood at 1200gp. It sells.

Nothing in my guild roster has less than 10 days to expire.

Lower your prices or just stop participating in buying and selling in game.

If you sell food at 3 when they used to be 6 then you have to sell twice as much to get the same revenue - not just for you but also for your guild. The same for all other mats.

And to keep that up you have to harvest twice as much...

So while you might be selling for the moment, you're doing a lot more work just to tread water.

Has the cost of traders gone down by 50%? I don't think they have yet.

It won't be long before PvPers stop complaining about the price of columbine and start complaining about the fact that nobody is selling - why put yourself out to farm it if you don't get a good price?

At that point the price will start to go up again, and ZoS will have to find another way to crash the economy.

SeaGtGruff · July 10

Syldras wrote: »

WolfCombatPet wrote: »

Most players that buy things are newish players.
Hard-core players either have everything or know how to get those things.

Are you sure? If I want a certain style page or furniture plan (or the last missing public dungeon fragment, back when they were still different parts to combine) I'd rather buy it instead of running content over and over again until maybe the right thing drops. I have millions of gold in my bank, after all, and with every week, it's at least 250.000 more. What to do with it if not spend it?

I used to have a lot more gold in the bank, but I stopped doing daily writs on all of my alts, so my gold supply is dwindling. I'm not spending it often, but when I do it tends to be something that sets me back a bit, so I end up losing ground over time rather than gaining more ground. It might be nice-- as far as earning more gold-- to go back to crafting on all of my alts, but I want to spend more time playing the game and less time doing chores.

So for me, I tend to not use the guild traders except when I feel like I really "need" to. And that isn't "new" for me, it's pretty much how I've always been.

Necrotech_Master · July 10

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

WolfCombatPet wrote: »

Most players that buy things are newish players.
Hard-core players either have everything or know how to get those things.

Are you sure? If I want a certain style page or furniture plan (or the last missing public dungeon fragment, back when they were still different parts to combine) I'd rather buy it instead of running content over and over again until maybe the right thing drops. I have millions of gold in my bank, after all, and with every week, it's at least 250.000 more. What to do with it if not spend it?

I used to have a lot more gold in the bank, but I stopped doing daily writs on all of my alts, so my gold supply is dwindling. I'm not spending it often, but when I do it tends to be something that sets me back a bit, so I end up losing ground over time rather than gaining more ground. It might be nice-- as far as earning more gold-- to go back to crafting on all of my alts, but I want to spend more time playing the game and less time doing chores.

So for me, I tend to not use the guild traders except when I feel like I really "need" to. And that isn't "new" for me, it's pretty much how I've always been.

i havent really done many daily writs for like idk 5+ years now and up to 100+ mil gold in my bank from just selling

i still have a reasonable income from selling right now, as most of my selling is mats which while slightly less gold are generally pretty steady, even if i dont really farm for them

i usually just "budget" my spending, like maybe once a month ill take 400k gold and buy as much stuff as i can with that and thats all im spending on guild stores, but im usually getting between 200k and 2 mil income from selling in guild stores per week (it varies depending on if i have a high value sale go through)

MidniteOwl1913 · July 10

Lower the price works if it's not a niche item. Thirty days gives more time for the right person to see the listing. Relisting is very time-consuming not to mention cuts into the low amount of profits less than 1000k items produce.

This is on the console, not the PC.

The ink chase has flooded the market with materials but I sell low-end armor and weapons. Stuff I get from chests and IA. Things people want for a stickerbook or to learn a trait and 14 days isn't enough time for those items to find a buyer.

The PSNA doesn't have the inflation problem of the PC but our market is also having problems.

Scribing is also draining a fair amount of gold out of the console economy the price of grimoires and scripts is relatively higher because we don't have that inflation.