U43… Over-Hype & Under Deliver

RomanRex · July 3

Based on the stream today, it seems like the update was over-hyped considering the limited content being introduced. Many people are particularly disappointed by the housing feature, which turned out to be underwhelming.

This update is full of changes that no one asked for, while other frequently requested changes are still missing.

It feels like ZoS is wasting valuable staff time on projects that players don't care about, disregarding the feedback from the community.

xylena_lazarow · July 3

RomanRex wrote: »

This update is full of changes that no one asked for, while other frequently requested changes are still missing.

That makes 43 for 43 then!

EdjeSwift · July 3

Isn't hype completely subjective? Any over or under hyping is the onus of the viewer.

For me, I was pleasantly surprised by the announced IA changes.

Soarora · July 3

I was bored for most of the stream, honestly. I started doing something else. Hopefully we get some intriguing furnishings or combat changes with the patch notes, or at least a bunch of bug fixes again… otherwise this update feels like it’s going to be a whole lot of nothing. Starting to miss 4 dungeons a year again.

ComboBreaker88 · July 3

ZOS crapped the bed for sure.

Elsonso · July 3

RomanRex wrote: »

Based on the stream today, it seems like the update was over-hyped considering the limited content being introduced. Many people are particularly disappointed by the housing feature, which turned out to be underwhelming.

It does feel like the bulk of the dev team is missing.

The patch notes had better be Shakespeare…

Jaraal · July 3

If the entire Q3 update is nothing but tweaks to existing systems (IA, housing, and "QOL" modifications), then it's looking more and more like the Q4 PvP update will probably be a new BG map, expanded dueling, or maybe some more no trade style pages.

Looking more and more like maintenance mode is getting a lot closer.

BasP · July 3

As I'm not into housing, I didn't expect much from the stream and I was also pleasantly surprised by the new IA content. If the patch contains some good combat/ balance changes as well, it'll be a win in my book.

Alpheu5 · July 3

I expected nothing and was still disappointed.

alternatelder · July 3

Just wait until they finally reveal the pvp update. I hope everyone is tempering they're expectations for that.

tsaescishoeshiner · July 3

It's fine if people wanted more, but I don't think it was over-hyped. All we were told was "new housing feature." In addition to that, we're also getting a big Archive update, new class sets, and some other QoL/goodies.

I also think the new housing system is pretty cool. Between this and the Archive, it's like a focus on systems that give us a lot to do over the long term. It would be awesome if it came with new furnishings and stuff but ... we'll see if there's anything in the patch notes that they didn't mention.

Photosniper89 · July 3

alternatelder wrote: »

Just wait until they finally reveal the pvp update. I hope everyone is tempering they're expectations for that.

THISSSSSSSS oh my gosh this.

Estin · July 3

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

It's fine if people wanted more, but I don't think it was over-hyped. All we were told was "new housing feature." In addition to that, we're also getting a big Archive update, new class sets, and some other QoL/goodies.

I also think the new housing system is pretty cool. Between this and the Archive, it's like a focus on systems that give us a lot to do over the long term. It would be awesome if it came with new furnishings and stuff but ... we'll see if there's anything in the patch notes that they didn't mention.

It was over hyped. The entire month of May was dedicated to housing. Housing themed endeavors, free house guests that encouraged players to visit each other's houses, and a free notable style house. All to hype up the housing update. The banner on the launcher for U43 was even labeled as the housing update.

Kaelalas · July 3

EdjeSwift wrote: »

Isn't hype completely subjective? Any over or under hyping is the onus of the viewer.

For me, I was pleasantly surprised by the announced IA changes.

That's nice. Mostly everyone else isn't.

Harry_Toes · July 3

I think it was a largely niche update - as many non-DLC updates are.

If you are into housing (as some say - the REAL endgame), and social guilds - this is a really, really big update.

I'm not a fan of IA, mostly because it's such a grind/timesuck, but for those who love grinding away on it - it's pretty big news.

The little tidbit about increased luminous ink drop options was the only part that got increased interest from me - and it was by comparison just a fleeting comment.

QoL improvements and some light content additions for one facet of the game. I don't think this is bad at all.

But as has been noted many times before with other updates - let's see what the patch notes say and find out if they are nerfing any sets/classes again.

Fata1moose · July 3

They should not have been vague about the housing feature as it was not worth the wait when it was teased at the global reveal. I think if they just said what it was people would not have gotten their hopes up. I was looking forward to housing update but yeah that certainly took the wind out of my sails. Q4 is PvP which I have no interest in given the lag and horrible balance (more power to you if you somehow enjoy it). Hopefully companions offer something cool because that's now the only thing I'm potentially looking forward to until next year's chapter. 😳

Erickson9610 · July 3

Kaelalas wrote: »

EdjeSwift wrote: »

Isn't hype completely subjective? Any over or under hyping is the onus of the viewer.

For me, I was pleasantly surprised by the announced IA changes.

That's nice. Mostly everyone else isn't.

I would think more people would be pleasantly surprised. It's hard to say that "mostly everyone" is upset by this update, when the forums are such a small subset of ESO's playerbase as a whole.

IncultaWolf · July 3

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Kaelalas wrote: »

EdjeSwift wrote: »

Isn't hype completely subjective? Any over or under hyping is the onus of the viewer.

For me, I was pleasantly surprised by the announced IA changes.

That's nice. Mostly everyone else isn't.

I would think more people would be pleasantly surprised. It's hard to say that "mostly everyone" is upset by this update, when the forums are such a small subset of ESO's playerbase as a whole.

Exactly. I personally don't care about the housing tours, but the Infinite Archive updates are awesome and I can't wait to check it out on pts.

Photosniper89 · July 3

Jaraal wrote: »

If the entire Q3 update is nothing but tweaks to existing systems (IA, housing, and "QOL" modifications), then it's looking more and more like the Q4 PvP update will probably be a new BG map, expanded dueling, or maybe some more no trade style pages.

Looking more and more like maintenance mode is getting a lot closer.

Honestly... I think it's just going to be something similar to what they did today but for dueling. Want to duel someone? Well a duel finder tab or something.

This was a new "system" and what is coming is a pvp "system"

Photosniper89 · July 3

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Kaelalas wrote: »

EdjeSwift wrote: »

Isn't hype completely subjective? Any over or under hyping is the onus of the viewer.

For me, I was pleasantly surprised by the announced IA changes.

That's nice. Mostly everyone else isn't.

I would think more people would be pleasantly surprised. It's hard to say that "mostly everyone" is upset by this update, when the forums are such a small subset of ESO's playerbase as a whole.

I'm in many end game discords and I haven't heard one person that was excited about this.

There is literally an add on that does what they spent tons of dev $ and time on. Like what the hell.

ArchangelIsraphel · July 3

Harry_Toes wrote: »

I think it was a largely niche update - as many non-DLC updates are.

If you are into housing (as some say - the REAL endgame), and social guilds - this is a really, really big update.

I'm not a fan of IA, mostly because it's such a grind/timesuck, but for those who love grinding away on it - it's pretty big news.

The little tidbit about increased luminous ink drop options was the only part that got increased interest from me - and it was by comparison just a fleeting comment.

QoL improvements and some light content additions for one facet of the game. I don't think this is bad at all.

But as has been noted many times before with other updates - let's see what the patch notes say and find out if they are nerfing any sets/classes again.

Actually, most everyone in the housing community is incredibly disappointed, so no, this is not a "really, really" big update. It's small potatoes most of us don't care about.

CrashTest · July 3

Jaraal wrote: »

Looking more and more like maintenance mode is getting a lot closer.

That's the vibe I've been getting lately too.

Syldras · July 3

Photosniper89 wrote: »

Honestly... I think it's just going to be something similar to what they did today but for dueling. Want to duel someone? Well a duel finder tab or something.
This was a new "system" and what is coming is a pvp "system"

"Feature". Roadmaps calls it a "housing feature" and a "PvP feature". And I guess you're unfortunately right.

Erickson9610 · July 3

Photosniper89 wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Kaelalas wrote: »

EdjeSwift wrote: »

Isn't hype completely subjective? Any over or under hyping is the onus of the viewer.

For me, I was pleasantly surprised by the announced IA changes.

That's nice. Mostly everyone else isn't.

I would think more people would be pleasantly surprised. It's hard to say that "mostly everyone" is upset by this update, when the forums are such a small subset of ESO's playerbase as a whole.

I'm in many end game discords and I haven't heard one person that was excited about this.

There is literally an add on that does what they spent tons of dev $ and time on. Like what the hell.

There wasn't a lot in this update for endgame players, to be honest. I believe the appeal is mainly directed towards the 99% of players on Consoles and PC — those who aren't endgame players.

I'd expect more content for endgame players with Update 44, with the PvP feature. I'm not sure when the next major endgame PvE feature will be, but it'll probably be another trial next year.

freespirit · July 3

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

Harry_Toes wrote: »

I think it was a largely niche update - as many non-DLC updates are.

If you are into housing (as some say - the REAL endgame), and social guilds - this is a really, really big update.

I'm not a fan of IA, mostly because it's such a grind/timesuck, but for those who love grinding away on it - it's pretty big news.

The little tidbit about increased luminous ink drop options was the only part that got increased interest from me - and it was by comparison just a fleeting comment.

QoL improvements and some light content additions for one facet of the game. I don't think this is bad at all.

But as has been noted many times before with other updates - let's see what the patch notes say and find out if they are nerfing any sets/classes again.

Actually, most everyone in the housing community is incredibly disappointed, so no, this is not a "really, really" big update. It's small potatoes most of us don't care about.

All of my Discord's are also currently disappointed and even slightly horrified at the little that was said about the rating system, which I must admit worries me too.

Syldras · July 3

freespirit wrote: »

All of my Discord's are also currently disappointed and even slightly horrified at the little that was said about the rating system, which I must admit worries me too.

I don't see a need for ratings, but what's the worst thing that could happen? Even if they gave you 0 out of 5 stars or something, why care? It's not like you get any negative consequences for it.

dinokstrunz · July 3

Unless there's some promising decent changes to combat we've probably got another sleeper patch.

Elsonso · July 3

Erickson9610 wrote: »

There wasn't a lot in this update for endgame players, to be honest. I believe the appeal is mainly directed towards the 99% of players on Consoles and PC — those who aren't endgame players.

I see Housing Tours as a benefit for consoles. They are still at stone knives and bearskins, so just about any QoL looks like Christmas morning.

Jaraal · July 3

Photosniper89 wrote: »

There is literally an add on that does what they spent tons of dev $ and time on. Like what the hell.

The person who created the addon (Essential Housing Tools), Cardinal05 is actually a paid ZOS employee now.

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/the-elder-scrolls/the-elder-scrolls-online-devs-hired-a-modder-from-one-of-its-most-popular-addons-to-fine-tune-its-housing-tools-it-was-really-cool-to-get-james-on-the-team/

Elsonso · July 3

Jaraal wrote: »

Photosniper89 wrote: »

There is literally an add on that does what they spent tons of dev $ and time on. Like what the hell.

The person who created the addon (Essential Housing Tools), Cardinal05 is actually a paid ZOS employee now.

https://www.pcgamer.com/games/the-elder-scrolls/the-elder-scrolls-online-devs-hired-a-modder-from-one-of-its-most-popular-addons-to-fine-tune-its-housing-tools-it-was-really-cool-to-get-james-on-the-team/

Also.. He was the dev on ESO Live across from Cullen Lee.

freespirit · July 3

Syldras wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

All of my Discord's are also currently disappointed and even slightly horrified at the little that was said about the rating system, which I must admit worries me too.

I don't see a need for ratings, but what's the worst thing that could happen? Even if they gave you 0 out of 5 stars or something, why care? It's not like you get any negative consequences for it.

From my vague understanding atm, I believe the ratings were said to be possibly used to pick builds to showcase going forward, I see a big potential issue right there but I will wait and see what happens when it goes live......

I mean it's not as if anyone ever has rigged a vote...... right??