How do you feel about farming a Trial for Savior of West Weald achievement?

EF321

Do not care

LunaFlora wrote: »

the Saviour of Necrom and Gold Road achievements just include most of the chapter things for a fancy mount.
it isn't just the zone

EF321 wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

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TheMajority wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

DONT like it in necrom DONT like it here

dlc required to complete other CHAPTER i paid FULL PRICE FOR is just NOT OK

how does that help anyone get antiquities or dig them?

ESO+ is free right now.

And its not always free so my point still stands. Don't ask people to pay $50 for a product and sell that product as complete when it needs other microtransactions to work right.

Do intro quest now to unlock scrying and dig later, what's your problem?

you do actually need access to the Greymoor chapter to keep scrying and excavating after the eso plus trial

Nope, you can scry from map and dig. My alt account does this without Greymoor.

LunaFlora

More of this please

EF321 wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

the Saviour of Necrom and Gold Road achievements just include most of the chapter things for a fancy mount.
it isn't just the zone

EF321 wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

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TheMajority wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

DONT like it in necrom DONT like it here

dlc required to complete other CHAPTER i paid FULL PRICE FOR is just NOT OK

how does that help anyone get antiquities or dig them?

ESO+ is free right now.

And its not always free so my point still stands. Don't ask people to pay $50 for a product and sell that product as complete when it needs other microtransactions to work right.

Do intro quest now to unlock scrying and dig later, what's your problem?

you do actually need access to the Greymoor chapter to keep scrying and excavating after the eso plus trial

Nope, you can scry from map and dig. My alt account does this without Greymoor.

alright i remembered incorrectly, thanks for the correction

TheMajority

Very disappointing

EF321 wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

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TheMajority wrote: »

EF321 wrote: »

TheMajority wrote: »

DONT like it in necrom DONT like it here

dlc required to complete other CHAPTER i paid FULL PRICE FOR is just NOT OK

how does that help anyone get antiquities or dig them?

ESO+ is free right now.

And its not always free so my point still stands. Don't ask people to pay $50 for a product and sell that product as complete when it needs other microtransactions to work right.

Do intro quest now to unlock scrying and dig later, what's your problem?

I'm subbed, I dont need it.

My problem is other people buying it the future dont have that luxury.

I don't defend bad practices of companies. Completing one DLC you buy shouldn't be dependent on purchasing others or a sub or waiting on free hand outs. You paid for it, it should work and give you the achievements it came with without needing the others.

method__01

Do not care

got the lead from HoF first try,we puged the trial and we cleared in 25 min ,3 or 4 people got the lead too
i suggest you try now (if you want the mythic) cause many groups are farming
good luck

AzuraFan

Very disappointing

Very disappointed but not surprised. The achievements that require a list of other achievements have always been poorly designed in ESO. They often require a mix of activities, which shuts out players who don't like or can't do one particular type of activity.

I already don't have the Necrom saviour one (whatever it's called) because of the Bastion Nymic. There was a time I would have cared, but the continued fails around achievement design have cured me of caring about achievements in this game, which is kind of crazy because I love achievement hunting. But not when there's no rhyme or reason to them.

I think the devs do it because they believe it will encourage players to do content they normally wouldn't do, but it rarely works. It's not like they're the first ones to try it lol. It just means that a bunch of players won't get the achievements.

CrashTest

Very disappointing

I'm a vet raider and I don't like this bc it's going to flood trial runs with a lot of resentful people who don't want to be there. Those don't make for fun runs.

Also, it's HoF of all trials lol. That's the longest trial in the game and has full group wiping mechs even in normal if you don't know what you're doing.

ESO_player123

Very disappointing

CrashTest wrote: »

I'm a vet raider and I don't like this bc it's going to flood trial runs with a lot of resentful people who don't want to be there. Those don't make for fun runs.

Also, it's HoF of all trials lol. That's the longest trial in the game and has full group wiping mechs even in normal if you don't know what you're doing.

Thank you for your perspective. And yet quite a few people in this thread suggest that normal is easy and we should try Group finder. I will try that just to test what they said, but I'm sure that it's not going to end well.

Edit: I just read a guide and watched some video. Just doing that made me tired. I'm simply not capable of keeping track of so many things at the same time. I'm fine with DLC normal dungeons, but this .... And for a Savior of .. type of achievement???

Necrotech_Master

Do not care

ESO_player123 wrote: »

CrashTest wrote: »

I'm a vet raider and I don't like this bc it's going to flood trial runs with a lot of resentful people who don't want to be there. Those don't make for fun runs.

Also, it's HoF of all trials lol. That's the longest trial in the game and has full group wiping mechs even in normal if you don't know what you're doing.

Thank you for your perspective. And yet quite a few people in this thread suggest that normal is easy and we should try Group finder. I will try that just to test what they said, but I'm sure that it's not going to end well.

Edit: I just read a guide and watched some video. Just doing that made me tired. I'm simply not capable of keeping track of so many things at the same time. I'm fine with DLC normal dungeons, but this .... And for a Savior of .. type of achievement???

well just have to keep in mind that using the group finder to join a PUG run is basically the same as queuing for a random dungeon, you never know what you will get

some of the experiences may not be great, but that happens in the dungeon queue too (one of the reasons i dont usually use that)

the things that usually help runs are knowledgeable tanks and healers, though at least you have an open mind and willing to try instead of dismissing it right away

worse case there is always the archive vendor, the lead could show up there at some point if you really want to avoid doing trials

freespirit

Very disappointing

CrashTest wrote: »

I'm a vet raider and I don't like this bc it's going to flood trial runs with a lot of resentful people who don't want to be there. Those don't make for fun runs.

Also, it's HoF of all trials lol. That's the longest trial in the game and has full group wiping mechs even in normal if you don't know what you're doing.

THIS .... the last paragraph, I know HoF I have done it many times but I would NEVER pug it!!

Especially because there are group wiping mechanics that are not easy to explain to a group of new to trials players.

I see it as being a fast way to put those players off attempting trials again, if it had to be a trial why not something simpler?

Also to those saying "It's easy" "It can be done with 4-6 people" "It can be done in 15mins" sure it can but not if you are there with people who don't know it.

ESO_player123

Very disappointing

freespirit wrote: »

CrashTest wrote: »

I'm a vet raider and I don't like this bc it's going to flood trial runs with a lot of resentful people who don't want to be there. Those don't make for fun runs.

Also, it's HoF of all trials lol. That's the longest trial in the game and has full group wiping mechs even in normal if you don't know what you're doing.

THIS .... the last paragraph, I know HoF I have done it many times but I would NEVER pug it!!

Especially because there are group wiping mechanics that are not easy to explain to a group of new to trials players.

I see it as being a fast way to put those players off attempting trials again, if it had to be a trial why not something simpler?

Also to those saying "It's easy" "It can be done with 4-6 people" "It can be done in 15mins" sure it can but not if you are there with people who don't know it.

In the video I watched the author kept saying about the "two handers" that fling the projectile damage back at you (bows, destruction staves). What am I supposed to do there? My main is a HA sorc (2 bars) with destro staff. Am I supposed to create a completely new build with different weapons that I've never used?

I know that builds ARE important and use different ones and I have different class toons (but I would be even less comfortable taking them). But it's far from saying "it's easy, just use the group finder".

Desiato

Do not care

It's par for the course. In a game as diverse as ESO, inevitably something we want will be gated behind something unappealing to us. It's not realistic to expect the game to be catered to us individually.

I've had to jump through hoops and do things I don't enjoy for mythic leads like fishing -- which is the most painfully boring activity in the game for me.

Normal trials aren't difficult and are accessible through the group finder.

Some may find they enjoy trials after being encouraged out of their comfort zone for the lead.

freespirit wrote: »

THIS .... the last paragraph, I know HoF I have done it many times but I would NEVER pug it!!

Especially because there are group wiping mechanics that are not easy to explain to a group of new to trials players.

I see it as being a fast way to put those players off attempting trials again, if it had to be a trial why not something simpler?

Also to those saying "It's easy" "It can be done with 4-6 people" "It can be done in 15mins" sure it can but not if you are there with people who don't know it.

I've pug'd it several times via the groupfinder and it's np. One time the guy running it had no idea what to do. It was a total random pug and we still did fine. The only necessary adjustment was to explain to the tank they had to keep the final boss taunted.

I've recently done over 100 group finder normal trials and they've all been fine. They're actually much less frustrating than a random dungeon finder group. They're mainly populated by at least somewhat experienced players farming gear. nhof pugs tend to fill up quickly.

sarahthes

Do not care

ESO_player123 wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

CrashTest wrote: »

I'm a vet raider and I don't like this bc it's going to flood trial runs with a lot of resentful people who don't want to be there. Those don't make for fun runs.

Also, it's HoF of all trials lol. That's the longest trial in the game and has full group wiping mechs even in normal if you don't know what you're doing.

THIS .... the last paragraph, I know HoF I have done it many times but I would NEVER pug it!!

Especially because there are group wiping mechanics that are not easy to explain to a group of new to trials players.

I see it as being a fast way to put those players off attempting trials again, if it had to be a trial why not something simpler?

Also to those saying "It's easy" "It can be done with 4-6 people" "It can be done in 15mins" sure it can but not if you are there with people who don't know it.

In the video I watched the author kept saying about the "two handers" that fling the projectile damage back at you (bows, destruction staves). What am I supposed to do there? My main is a HA sorc (2 bars) with destro staff. Am I supposed to create a completely new build with different weapons that I've never used?

I know that builds ARE important and use different ones and I have different class toons (but I would be even less comfortable taking them). But it's far from saying "it's easy, just use the group finder".

On normal, the reflected damage there is negligible. A HA sorc is perfectly viable in normal HoF. You don't even need 2 tanks most of the time.

The guide was probably for vet.

Arizona_Steve

Very disappointing

Not happy about this. I am an ok-ish player, have solo'd a bunch of world bosses and managed to get through Wayrest Serwers I on my own. But I have avoided trials so far due to the toxic gatekeeping and have no real desire to participate in them.

Let trials be their own separate entity with better rewards for those who want to participate, and let those of us who like to quest, quest.

ESO_player123

Very disappointing

sarahthes wrote: »

ESO_player123 wrote: »

freespirit wrote: »

CrashTest wrote: »

I'm a vet raider and I don't like this bc it's going to flood trial runs with a lot of resentful people who don't want to be there. Those don't make for fun runs.

Also, it's HoF of all trials lol. That's the longest trial in the game and has full group wiping mechs even in normal if you don't know what you're doing.

THIS .... the last paragraph, I know HoF I have done it many times but I would NEVER pug it!!

Especially because there are group wiping mechanics that are not easy to explain to a group of new to trials players.

I see it as being a fast way to put those players off attempting trials again, if it had to be a trial why not something simpler?

Also to those saying "It's easy" "It can be done with 4-6 people" "It can be done in 15mins" sure it can but not if you are there with people who don't know it.

In the video I watched the author kept saying about the "two handers" that fling the projectile damage back at you (bows, destruction staves). What am I supposed to do there? My main is a HA sorc (2 bars) with destro staff. Am I supposed to create a completely new build with different weapons that I've never used?

I know that builds ARE important and use different ones and I have different class toons (but I would be even less comfortable taking them). But it's far from saying "it's easy, just use the group finder".

On normal, the reflected damage there is negligible. A HA sorc is perfectly viable in normal HoF. You don't even need 2 tanks most of the time.

The guide was probably for vet.

Thank you, this is encouraging.

sarahthes

Do not care

Arizona_Steve wrote: »

Not happy about this. I am an ok-ish player, have solo'd a bunch of world bosses and managed to get through Wayrest Serwers I on my own. But I have avoided trials so far due to the toxic gatekeeping and have no real desire to participate in them.

Let trials be their own separate entity with better rewards for those who want to participate, and let those of us who like to quest, quest.

Normal pugs in group finder have zero gatekeeping. They don't even do mechanics. Just go with the flow, hit things that are enemies, and you'll be fine.

Desiato

Do not care

Arizona_Steve wrote: »

Not happy about this. I am an ok-ish player, have solo'd a bunch of world bosses and managed to get through Wayrest Serwers I on my own. But I have avoided trials so far due to the toxic gatekeeping and have no real desire to participate in them.

Let trials be their own separate entity with better rewards for those who want to participate, and let those of us who like to quest, quest.

@Arizona_Steve

I recently started trials on PC/NA and I haven't observed any toxic gatekeeping. If anything, the trial community is overwhelmingly nice and supportive. I've never observed anyone called out for anything in a normal pug. They are usually extremely chill.

Vet trials do require a lot of learning and prep, but not normal trials. It's a good idea to read are watch a guide first, but that's optional.

shadyjane62

Very disappointing

Just another thing in this Chapter that I will be closed out of. I don't do trials because you need other people to do them.

Other people in ESO tend to toxic and intolerant of people who don't do these kinds of things all the time.

I am being closed out of too many things.

Makes me wonder why I bought this chapter and the answer was ignorance of all the things I wouldn't be able to finish.

My fault. But since I am being closed out, I will serious reconsider buying anything more here and will just wait for a better game.

Update. I am no longer just considering buying anything more I am playing as if this is the last for me.


Because it is the last thing I will ever buy from Bethesda.

katanagirl1

Very disappointing

CrashTest wrote: »

I'm a vet raider and I don't like this bc it's going to flood trial runs with a lot of resentful people who don't want to be there. Those don't make for fun runs.

Also, it's HoF of all trials lol. That's the longest trial in the game and has full group wiping mechs even in normal if you don't know what you're doing.

I’m in a vet trials group but we haven’t got to that trial yet. I ran it once as an advertised normal “fun run” that had a 15 minute explanation for the last boss. It was not as advertised, there was no fun and I have not run it again since.

I do not look forward to pugging this myself.

ESO_player123

Very disappointing

UPDATE:
I managed to PUG it through the group finder and ended up with people that knew what they were doing. When asked for an advice one of them told me "Nothing to learn, it's normal. Just do not stand in red" (which I tried to do). Felt the whole time as an imposter that should not be there with my DPS (had to switch half way to 1 bar oakensoul to deal with less stuff and make DPS a bit higher).

Anyway, either the DPS of other people was very high or they really knew what they were doing, but half of the mechanics that I read about did not materialize.

Got the lead, but my vote still stands "This should not be a part of Savior of ..." achievement for the zone.

Desiato

Do not care

ESO_player123 wrote: »

UPDATE:
I managed to PUG it through the group finder and ended up with people that knew what they were doing. When asked for an advice one of them told me "Nothing to learn, it's normal. Just do not stand in red" (which I tried to do). Felt the whole time as an imposter that should not be there with my DPS (had to switch half way to 1 bar oakensoul to deal with less stuff and make DPS a bit higher).

Anyway, either the DPS of other people was very high or they really knew what they were doing, but half of the mechanics that I read about did not materialize.

Got the lead, but my vote still stands "This should not be a part of Savior of ..." achievement for the zone.

This is a typical group finder normal dungeon pug in my experience. Most of the mechanics aren't relevant. There is usually a wide range of players. You weren't an imposter. Everyone has to start somewhere, and a normal pug is a correct place for beginners.

If you wish to expand on your journey, send me a pm and I'll point you in the right direction.

Circuitous

Do not care

I feel like the only reason this shouldn't be part of the "Savior of West Weald" achievement is
1. it's not even in the West Weald, and
2. it's just an antiquity, who are you saving?

But if the achievement involved clearing Lucent Citadel, I'd absolutely say it's fine and justified being there.

Trials really aren't that scary! You might even find them really fun, as so many of us have.

Shara_Wynn

Very disappointing

Disappointing.

I love how all the guides I've watched explaining how to get the new free mount, list how you have to do ALL THIS and ALL THAT like it's a major effort, but then just skim over the antiquarian chase bit like it's the easiest bit if the whole shebang

Right away I'm thinking, yeps, no mount or savior achievement for me then because I don't have the time to be farming Trials and DLC dungeons for RND lead drops.

Circuitous wrote: »

It's just a trial. A few days ago I did a completely blind run with a guild of mine, who I would say are all pretty middle-of-the-road story players who are not hardcore into trials or putting out big DPS. We cleared it in an hour and a half. No reason you couldn't do the same!

But then you have RNG to factor into that. How many clears does one need to do before one gets the lead they are farming? Also as others have said, not owning the Greymoor Chapter in order to be able to do the antiquarian chase in the first instance means that some can never complete the questing storyline achievement that is Savior of... the chapter they have purchased.

There is already a epilogue quest in Gold Road that requires the owning of the Necrom chapter and subsequent completion of it's main story line before it can be accessed. Now one must also own a third chapter Greymoor in order to feel that they have completed the zone in a questing, roleplaying context.

OccultNerd

Do not care

HoF is easy.....getting in a normal pug for HoF is easy....the lead seems to drop fairly quickly (literally 1st run of HoF and it dropped for multiple people)

In comparison to not being able to actually complete Necrom because of leads locked behind bosses and hidden bosses in dungeons then running HoF is literally a hundred times easier.

All these people saying they don't do trials: why not?

FafiQ_xP

Do not care

got it on my first try so im good

Shara_Wynn

Very disappointing

OccultNerd wrote: »

HoF is easy.....getting in a normal pug for HoF is easy....the lead seems to drop fairly quickly (literally 1st run of HoF and it dropped for multiple people)

In comparison to not being able to actually complete Necrom because of leads locked behind bosses and hidden bosses in dungeons then running HoF is literally a hundred times easier.

All these people saying they don't do trials: why not?

Some of 'these people', like myself, play off peak times and so it is difficult to find 11 other folks to do a trial with when most everyone else is either in their bed sleeping or at work.

Gold Road is already grindy enough with between ink and scripts, that locking a savior achievement behind a trial is just well, too much for me.

I am generally disappointed with the new trend that ZOS seems to have taken towards making chapter completion (at least in a storyline, roleplaying context) more difficult to achieve for the more casual gamer.

OsUfi

Do not care

A trial on normal mode, I can queue as a DPS in group finder and bumble my way through. No problem.

Now, those ToT ones from Necrom, they cured me from ever attempting any achievement ever again. As I won't be gunning for achievements, and scribing is completely cut off for me, I can happily quit ESO when my + runs out in July. Might pop back in for a look next expansion, but a years a long way away.

OccultNerd

Do not care

I play on NA and live in the UK so generally when I play its not at 'peak' times, group finder for trials etc was implemented to make it easier to join a group for content without the constant searching for players, zone shouts/guild requests etc..

In general players seem to be scared or holding themselves back from using GF for content.

My advice for anyone wanting the lead is to jump in a group on GF or start your own listing.

Shara_Wynn

Very disappointing

OccultNerd wrote: »

I play on NA and live in the UK so generally when I play its not at 'peak' times, group finder for trials etc was implemented to make it easier to join a group for content without the constant searching for players, zone shouts/guild requests etc..

I play off peak EU, currently there is one normal trial listed on group finder and it is for nSS with 4 x DPS signed up...

SerafinaWaterstar

Oh well, running lots of nHoF in my future then (on console)
But not surprised. Still haven’t got the one last lead needed for Necrom saviour thingy as it will just not drop from Graven Deep for me.

fizl101

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Oh well, running lots of nHoF in my future then (on console)
But not surprised. Still haven’t got the one last lead needed for Necrom saviour thingy as it will just not drop from Graven Deep for me.

Farm the first secret boss, I did that to get the lead from there