How do you feel about farming a Trial for Savior of West Weald achievement?

ESO_player123

It looks like one of the leads for the Rourken Steamguards antiquity drops from the last boss in normal HoF. This antiquity is required for the Antiquarian Chase: West Weald achievement which, in turn, is required for the Savior of West Weald achievement. This is the first time completing a Trial (possibly multiple times if you are unlucky) is required for the Savior of ... type of achievement. How do you feel about this?

Edit: to avoid misconceptions I would like to add that I'm fine with playing with other players (dungeons, ToT), I'm fine with leads added to Trials. This poll is about a Trial being required specifically for Savior of ... type of achievement.

UPDATE:
I followed the advice given in this thread and managed to PUG it through the group finder and ended up with people that knew what they were doing. When asked for an advice one of them told me "Nothing to learn, it's normal. Just do not stand in red" (which I tried to do). Felt the whole time as an imposter that should not be there with my DPS (had to switch half way to 1 bar Oakensoul to deal with less stuff and make DPS a bit higher).

Anyway, either the DPS of other people was very high or they really knew what they were doing, but half of the mechanics that I read about did not materialize.

Got the lead, but my vote still stands "This should not be a part of Savior of ..." achievement for the zone.

ESO_player123

Very disappointing

For me it is very disappointing. They started adding extra requirements to this type of achievement with Necrom. If was fun for me (and I completed it), but Z'Baza lead was a definite overkill. But Trials is where I draw the line.

valenwood_vegan

Very disappointing

Before people tell me to git gud, I am lucky to know people who can help me achieve this if this is true and it's actually necessary. (I mean honestly for me personally, I hate that kind of content and probably won't do it even if they offer to straight up carry me).

But I am very disappointed because it's something that is likely out of the reach of a large % of players.

spartaxoxo

Obligatory 'Other' option

I guess I'll wait to see if it causes more trial PUGs. I don't like having to schedule my video game time.

Froil

Do not care

Man I can't believe they locked a lead for a mythic behind content.... The sheer audacity I tell you.

TaSheen

Obligatory 'Other' option

Not a problem for me, I have ZERO use for achievements. I play what's fun for me, and ignore stuff like trials, vet or otherwise.

Circuitous

Do not care

It's just a trial. A few days ago I did a completely blind run with a guild of mine, who I would say are all pretty middle-of-the-road story players who are not hardcore into trials or putting out big DPS. We cleared it in an hour and a half. No reason you couldn't do the same!

valenwood_vegan

Very disappointing

Froil wrote: »

Man I can't believe they locked a lead for a mythic behind content.... The sheer audacity I tell you.

Oh please. Of course things should be locked behind content, and trials should have great rewards. The issue here is locking one of the primary achievements for a chapter behind a trial. And not even the one in the chapter lol... an old one... It's nonsensical. Imo of course.

DreamyLu

Obligatory 'Other' option

Since I don't do trials, it's dead to me. I feel a bit frustrated, so I can't vote I don't care, but on the other hand, it's logic: If I don't touch certain activities then of course I will never get related rewards and achievements.

As far as I recall, it's not first time that a lead is locked behind doing whatever end game stuff? I seem to recall seeing other complains same type a while ago?

ESO_player123

Very disappointing

Froil wrote: »

Man I can't believe they locked a lead for a mythic behind content.... The sheer audacity I tell you.

I think you misunderstood the purpose of this poll. It's not about how people feel about locking a lead behind a Trial (I have no issue with that). It about locking specifically the Savior of ... type of achievement behind a Trial.

ESO_player123

Very disappointing

DreamyLu wrote: »

Since I don't do trials, it's dead to me. I feel a bit frustrated, so I can't vote I don't care, but on the other hand, it's logic: If I don't touch certain activities then of course I will never get related rewards and achievements.

As far as I recall, it's not first time that a lead is locked behind doing whatever end game stuff? I seem to recall seeing other complains same type a while ago?

I agree, but everything we had so far pales in comparison with Trials (IMHO).

ESO_player123

Very disappointing

Circuitous wrote: »

It's just a trial. A few days ago I did a completely blind run with a guild of mine, who I would say are all pretty middle-of-the-road story players who are not hardcore into trials or putting out big DPS. We cleared it in an hour and a half. No reason you couldn't do the same!

I actually couldn't. I'm not in a guild, and would never use Discord for a group (it's required for most Trial groups from what I heard). Anyway, it's my problem. Nevertheless, my disappointment is the achievement that was traditionally excluding Trials and PvP now requires a Trial. I guess we can expect a lead behind PvP next year for the Savior of Whatever.

SeaGtGruff

Obligatory 'Other' option

Is that Achievement required to collect some sort of limited-time freebie from the Crown Store? Or is it just for a title and perhaps some other reward that's available any time?

It's almost like ZOS wants to encourage us to play together or something.

spartaxoxo

Obligatory 'Other' option

Does the lead also drop from IA?

ESO_player123

Very disappointing

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Is that Achievement required to collect some sort of limited-time freebie from the Crown Store? Or is it just for a title and perhaps some other reward that's available any time?

It's almost like ZOS wants to encourage us to play together or something.

I would like to clarify that I'm fine with playing with others: dungeon PUGs, ToT. What I'm not ok with is adding an endgame requirement to something that have never required it (a Savior of Zone achievement). Trials have always had their own category of achievements inside any zone.
Yes, there is another lead that drops from some other trial, but it's not tied to any zone achievements.

Froil

Do not care

ESO_player123 wrote: »

I think you misunderstood the purpose of this poll. It's not about how people feel about locking a lead behind a Trial (I have no issue with that). It about locking specifically the Savior of ... type of achievement behind a Trial.

I did not. You need the lead for the mythic for the achievement for the bigger achievement. And you want any and/or all of those things so.... Boils down to attempt the trial (several times for the lead unless you're lucky) or don't attempt it. You can always come back to it another day because I can assure you people will be doing it in group finder.

I can't believe they locked an achievement behind content, any content, whether old or new... The sheer audacity.

ESO_player123

Very disappointing

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Does the lead also drop from IA?

No idea. Probably we can expect it to show up there in the Filer Ool's shop in a year or two.

Soarora

Do not care

I don't think the achievement should exist and I don't want to do HoF. That said, I don't care about getting the achievement.

Araneae6537

Do not care

I should specify, I’m fine with completing a trial being part of zone completion (a trial that is part of the zone that is), but I really don’t like antiquities being part of it, because RNG sucks, and the item is already locked behind getting the lead and so having yet something else locked behind the same RNG is very discouraging. I had been looking forward to getting my nix-ox from completing Necrom but then I looked at what I was yet missing after completing all the quests and discovered a bunch of leads I’ve not yet gotten, from dungeons (and I even like running dungeons) and the last lead for the Cryptcanon Vestment, which should be easy as it’s from any Necrom daily, yet I cannot get it to drop for me.

joergino

Very disappointing

I expected this to happen after last year when all sorts of annoying requirements were thrown into the list of things to do for the respective Necrom achievement, most notable the Bastion Nymic things that should never have been required for anything, really.

The direction this game has been moving towards is in no way a positive one.

Hapexamendios

Obligatory 'Other' option

Far better than a stupid ToT lead.

ArchMikem

Very disappointing

I guess I'm never going to be those people's savior.

alpha_synuclein

More of this please

I like the idea, but it would make much more sense if it was a trial from the zone that the "Savior..." achievement is for.

Danikat

Does this mean you need to own both Greymoor and Gold Road to be able to complete the achievement?

I have both so it won't affect me, but it seems strange that a chapter-specific achievement requires an entirely different chapter to complete.

fizl101

Danikat wrote: »

Does this mean you need to own both Greymoor and Gold Road to be able to complete the achievement?

I have both so it won't affect me, but it seems strange that a chapter-specific achievement requires an entirely different chapter to complete.

Same as necrom that required you to get the 3 main mythics

WhiteCoatSyndrome

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

The issue here is locking one of the primary achievements for a chapter behind a trial. And not even the one in the chapter lol... an old one... It's nonsensical. Imo of course.

That is a bit odd.

That said, I usually pay sufficiently little attention to the achievements I wouldn’t have noticed if it hadn’t been pointed out to me.

LanteanPegasus

Very disappointing

Well, "very disappointing" is putting it very... diplomatic.
Granted, I am disappointed. But I'm also seriously annoyed, angry even.

If ZOS wants to motivate people to do trials by giving better rewards for them, sure, let them do it!
But locking the ultimate achievement for a zone, an achievement that always was about interacting with said zone's story and environment, NOT with other players or some random endgame content, behind a darn trial of all things - the one activity you can't even do with a few friends, but need 11 other people for - that's just a really bad [insert stronger negative terms here] move.
And what makes me react so strongly is that it looks like just another symptom of a trend.

I'm here since 2016, and usually I didn't give in to the "the game is going downhill" doomsday-saying. But these last one or two years ESO is changing in its core ideas - and for people like me that change points in a completely wrong direction.
Away from big, beautiful settings with lots of individual quests and stories, that the player can enjoy on their own, with occasional cooperation with others for certain parts of the game. And towards reused assets, smaller zones, repeatable stuff, and more and more "forced" engagement in random multiplayer-content. Or call it "strongly incentivised", because yes, nobody can force you to do anything in a videogame.
Sure, chatting with people on some discord while running the same repeatable stuff again and again will distract from the fact that you are doing, well, the same repeatable stuff again and again. And I'm sure there are tons of people out there who actually enjoy the pointless chatter and the repetition to beat some goal or scoreboard. And that's completely fine. It's as good a way to have fun in your spare time as questing through lots of little stories in the imaginary world of Tamriel.

But when a game like ESO changes direction like that, trying to steer people away from the comparably expensive, work-intensive content of questing and exploration, towards the much cheaper socialising-with-online-friends-while-running-repeatable-stuff approach, it is a shift in philosophy and target audience that will drive me away if it persists.

Sarannah

Very disappointing

Can't do trials!

flizomica

More of this please

I'd rather have this than the lead locked behind the Coral Aerie final secret boss, which you won't be able to do in a typical PUG as it's incredibly time consuming and requires everyone to be on board. That remains the singular thing preventing me from getting the Necrom mount. On the other hand, nHoF is highly puggable in group finder 🤷

Eldartar

Very disappointing

Can't and Won't do Trials, just not my thing, I don't do groups, it doesn't float my boat in any way, shape or form.. And there are many like me.. . .It's just another 'Item' I won't be aquiring.....

xylena_lazarow

Obligatory 'Other' option

Froil wrote: »

Man I can't believe they locked a lead for a mythic behind content.... The sheer audacity I tell you.

Don't worry, they're fixing it. This lead is instead going to drop exclusively from the Emperor! achievement in PvP.

(It is kinda weird they'd put 12-person combat into a questing/RP achievement).