The New (free) House is Ridiculously Beautiful

LanteanPegasus

@ArchangelIsraphel
Have an Awesome - because not only do I agree with you, you also wrote the exact same things I wanted to write, and saved me the time!

Bo0137

I understand what you are saying. But the problem is not there (on the house rewarded). The problem is: how often we are being rewarded a house and how many cozy homes there are in the game.

JustLovely

I'm happy to see the house with higher storage slots.

It's an old phrase, but never look a gift horse in the mouth.

El_Borracho

I get @Shagreth's complaint. The Psijic house is a perfect example of a house too big to furnish. Mine is a storage facility for furniture. Again, its free, so you can ignore it if you want.

SilverBride

El_Borracho wrote: »

The Psijic house is a perfect example of a house too big to furnish.

That's what I thought but ended up getting it one day anyway. (I hadn't gotten the free one.)

I was able to furnish it and it looks complete to me. I would add a few more things but I actually used all the slots, which I've never done in any other house.

If anyone is on PCNA wants to see it, it's listed as an open house in the EHT Community (all my houses are listed) or I can send a link or give a tour.

alternatelder

It kinda sucks I wasted time getting tickets to buy the Doomchar house since I missed it last time, which I only wanted so I had more room for extra furnishings, but I guess this is another one I can use for storage in case I need it.

spartaxoxo

Shagreth wrote: »

...personally I'd take one of these over this monstrosity any day. Does it look bad? No, on the contrary, but how many people (even those that consider housing their endgame) will manage to furnish it? Very few.

I've said it before, less is more, take it easy, furnishing a smaller house is a more enjoyable experience for the majority of the playerbase.

I snipped the part about small houses, just so you can see what you've said about big ones in the OP in isolation that may be giving users an impression you didn't necessarily mean to give.

What part of this reads as a joke rather than a legitimate criticism? The bolded word I am highlighting definitely adds to the negative perception.

Your subsequent posts on big houses in particular only reinforced the idea that this should be read as straightforward complaint about the house. I only bring this up now since you have indicated displeasure that people aren't reading it in the spirit you intended.

If you want sarcasm to land over text, I have personally found these tips useful.

You can just straight up say you're being sarcastic with a good old fashioned /s (or whatever is appropriate for your area).

You can take it to the point of absurdity, so that none can see it as legit. "This house is a monstrosity. It stole my cheese and salted my crops."

You can undermine it by making it very clear you actually have the opposite opinion. "This house is a monstrosity. It was going to take all my money. Thankfully, ZOS saved me. They could help me even more by...."


Etc etc.

You know, some indication that it's a joke and tongue-in-cheek and not actual criticism. When you mix the apparently sarcastic headline with a very straightforward and legitimate criticism with absolutely zero indication it's not your actual belief, it's just going to read as criticism. The feedback received isn't just because some didn't read past the headline. Some probably didn't. But reading past the headline didn't help.

I was under the impression that you disliked big homes. Thought the majority of people also disliked big homes. And wanted ZOS to stop "peddling" the big ones (even for free) in favor of small ones since that's what would please the majority. That only the part that was a joke was the concept of complaining about anything free, rather than complaining about the house in general.

I see now that wasn't your intention. But it's the impression I got from reading your words. I actually agreed with you about more smaller homes, especially as a way to make in-game collectibles feel more rewarding. But I disagreed about the larger ones because I love those too.

Shagreth

spartaxoxo wrote: »

[I see now that wasn't your intention. But it's the impression I got from reading your words. I actually agreed with you about more smaller homes, especially as a way to make in-game collectibles feel more rewarding. But I disagreed about the larger ones because I love those too.

I tend to be more.. austere, if this is the word, but yeah, even though it's not my 'style' I should probably incorporate some more indicators for what I truly have in mind.

Anyway, I actually own 14 notable houses, I like them and I also know how to furnish them, their limitations, the costs etc. etc. I am merely tired of ZOS disregarding feedback/demand about smaller, cozier and ultimately more manageable homes. The existence of more smaller homes shouldn't overlap with that of big ones and vice versa. Big ones won't stop coming and we all know why, small ones aren't coming and, once again, we know why, there's no gain for ZOS other than pleasing the community. I guess I won't stop hoping, besides, the biggest consumers of hope are pessimists like me.

Pheefs

Would be fun to custom build a small cottage in there!

There are lots of building pieces to work with now, and some hilarious possibilities present themselves with the existing layout.
if you know what I mean

Meredy

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Shagreth wrote: »

I mean, it's free, me complaining about it is the ridiculous thing, probably, but hear me out:

A small house in Seyda Neen, a cozy house in the dunes of Alik'r or perhaps one of those amazing looking houses made of books in Apocrypha (Cipher's Midden) or perhaps a small vessel that sails the sea much like the Fair Winds (emphasis on small) personally I'd take one of these over this monstrosity any day. Does it look bad? No, on the contrary, but how many people (even those that consider housing their endgame) will manage to furnish it? Very few.

I've said it before, less is more, take it easy, furnishing a smaller house is a more enjoyable experience for the majority of the playerbase. So TLDR: give us more small & medium homes, please. I will be very unhappy if the housing update doesn't include a wave of new smaller homes along with some cool feature like planting herbs etc.

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno

They are giving away what would likely be a 14k crown house to you for logging in 3 days in May and complain about it being too big?

Really?

It's probably the most low effort housing reward we have ever gotten.

I for one am grateful even if I end up just using it for storage

ayo have you seen the expansive cavern with the foxes? Living foxes?

Araneae6537

Shagreth wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

[I see now that wasn't your intention. But it's the impression I got from reading your words. I actually agreed with you about more smaller homes, especially as a way to make in-game collectibles feel more rewarding. But I disagreed about the larger ones because I love those too.

I tend to be more.. austere, if this is the word, but yeah, even though it's not my 'style' I should probably incorporate some more indicators for what I truly have in mind.

Anyway, I actually own 14 notable houses, I like them and I also know how to furnish them, their limitations, the costs etc. etc. I am merely tired of ZOS disregarding feedback/demand about smaller, cozier and ultimately more manageable homes. The existence of more smaller homes shouldn't overlap with that of big ones and vice versa. Big ones won't stop coming and we all know why, small ones aren't coming and, once again, we know why, there's no gain for ZOS other than pleasing the community. I guess I won't stop hoping, besides, the biggest consumers of hope are pessimists like me.

Have you posted before about an apartment in Vivec City or townhouse in Balmora (or are those just my desires for additional houses in Vvardenfell)? I would definitely love to see more medium sized homes (and empty plots, maybe in a forest ) as well!

Besides my reading your initial post as serious (for reasons everyone has already stated), I feel like if we complain about nice things, then we might no longer receive them, maybe just what was ingrained in me growing up. So that probably added to a confrontational tone in my original posts.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing what people design on this property, and having fun with it myself! And I hope that we do see more smaller homes released as well in the future, even for Crowns, although gold plus achievement is nice too.

SilverBride

Meredy wrote: »

...have you seen the expansive cavern with the foxes? Living foxes?

I've explored this house twice so far and I didn't see any living foxes. Where exactly are they?

katanagirl1

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Shagreth wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

[I see now that wasn't your intention. But it's the impression I got from reading your words. I actually agreed with you about more smaller homes, especially as a way to make in-game collectibles feel more rewarding. But I disagreed about the larger ones because I love those too.

I tend to be more.. austere, if this is the word, but yeah, even though it's not my 'style' I should probably incorporate some more indicators for what I truly have in mind.

Anyway, I actually own 14 notable houses, I like them and I also know how to furnish them, their limitations, the costs etc. etc. I am merely tired of ZOS disregarding feedback/demand about smaller, cozier and ultimately more manageable homes. The existence of more smaller homes shouldn't overlap with that of big ones and vice versa. Big ones won't stop coming and we all know why, small ones aren't coming and, once again, we know why, there's no gain for ZOS other than pleasing the community. I guess I won't stop hoping, besides, the biggest consumers of hope are pessimists like me.

Have you posted before about an apartment in Vivec City or townhouse in Balmora (or are those just my desires for additional houses in Vvardenfell)? I would definitely love to see more medium sized homes (and empty plots, maybe in a forest ) as well!

Besides my reading your initial post as serious (for reasons everyone has already stated), I feel like if we complain about nice things, then we might no longer receive them, maybe just what was ingrained in me growing up. So that probably added to a confrontational tone to my posts.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing what people design on this property, and having fun with it myself! And I hope that we do see more smaller homes released as well in the future, even for Crowns, although gold plus achievement is nice too.

I agree. I like notable houses and I like smaller ones too, it depends on the style and the functionality of it.

It would be better to post criticisms of this house or other houses in a separate thread so it does not overshadow the fact that getting a notable house for free is really a good thing.

TheImperfect

We will get a new inn room in West Weald I think, I have to admit I love the big homes but the small ones do offer a different kind of challenge to furnish and it can be fun to do a small project now and then. I would be open to the adding of some smaller homes too although I prefer the notable ones.

LunaFlora

SilverBride wrote: »

Meredy wrote: »

...have you seen the expansive cavern with the foxes? Living foxes?

I've explored this house twice so far and I didn't see any living foxes. Where exactly are they?

in the caves behind the fences there can sometimes be animals like Dunerippers and Jackals, i havent seen foxes though but jackals and foxes look similar

zaria

I like it Serenity fall, is nice outside the knocked over decoration at the stairs, but its a bit small.
Not much into housing but can have fun with it.

SilverBride

LunaFlora wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Meredy wrote: »

...have you seen the expansive cavern with the foxes? Living foxes?

I've explored this house twice so far and I didn't see any living foxes. Where exactly are they?

in the caves behind the fences there can sometimes be animals like Dunerippers and Jackals, i havent seen foxes though but jackals and foxes look similar

Oh I'll look for those! Thanks!

LunaFlora

SilverBride wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Meredy wrote: »

...have you seen the expansive cavern with the foxes? Living foxes?

I've explored this house twice so far and I didn't see any living foxes. Where exactly are they?

in the caves behind the fences there can sometimes be animals like Dunerippers and Jackals, i havent seen foxes though but jackals and foxes look similar

Oh I'll look for those! Thanks!

an example picture with a duneripper in the caves

SilverBride

I wonder if live animals is the new housing feature.

LunaFlora

SilverBride wrote: »

I wonder if live animals is the new housing feature.

doesn't really seem like a feature and we've had live animals in homes before like ornaugs in Fogbreak Lighthouse and recently Frogs and Torchbugs in Willowpond Haven.

if we could place them ourselves it would just be a new category of furniture or Miscellaneous

Shagreth

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Have you posted before about an apartment in Vivec City or townhouse in Balmora (or are those just my desires for additional houses in Vvardenfell)? I would definitely love to see more medium sized homes (and empty plots, maybe in a forest ) as well!

I have indeed. I grew up playing Morrowind, In fact, I learned English by playing it, more houses in Vvardenfell would be a blessing, I especially like Balmora and Seyda Seen. I dream of a fully built Vivec City, maybe in the future it'll happen.

TaSheen

Sepultura_13 wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

I'm much happier with larger houses. Dinky little huts don't appeal.

@TaSheen - Same here! The last house I purchased was Sweetwater Cascades; this free house was one I considered buying, and even stocked up on crowns for it. Now I can spend crowns on other things, thanks to this nice, big, FREE house being generously gifted by ZoS.

Well, at least there's several of us outliers! Usually I'm the only one....

Nerouyn

Shagreth wrote: »

I have indeed. I grew up playing Morrowind, In fact, I learned English by playing it, more houses in Vvardenfell would be a blessing, I especially like Balmora and Seyda Seen. I dream of a fully built Vivec City, maybe in the future it'll happen.

Morrowind will always be one of my faves too.

I really wish that ESO hadn't done what they did to Telvanni Towers. Ugh.

More Dunmer stuff? Especially housing?

I wouldn't hate it but they are already extremely well catered to. Even if they sell well and we should assume they do if we keep seeing more content of the same stripe, it risks other players feeling jealous.

Reginald_leBlem

I love it, 100000/10, beautiful big house.

Desiato

spartaxoxo wrote: »

The post needed clarifying and now their real position is clear. Let's discuss that.

If you want smaller houses added to the game, then the economics must be considered.

I've decorated a few houses, but I'm not *really* into it, so I may be wrong, but I've generally observed that most houses are based around pre-existing art assets and prefabs, so they probably cost ZOS very little to develop.

With that in mind I think it's unlikely they will design a completely new small house for an existing zone and I don't think they'll make significant changes to any overland or city areas by adding a new structure.

So if one wants a smaller house added to the game, the key is to find an existing structure with an inaccessible chained door or that is otherwise unused for anything else that already has a prefab interior that they can use for it. For example, the buildings with chained doors in Wayrest.

Perhaps with the feedback in this thread in mind, they can think about adding a notable small to medium sized house with more furniture slots when they begin work on the next chapter after Gold Road -- this is probably when they create the vast majority of their upcoming assets.

Omegacron

vsrs_au wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

I've always wanted a small Orc home in Wrothgar.

But I'll certainly take a free Redguard mansion.

I've hoped for one in Orsinium for some time, I love that place. But the only housing in Wrothgar is out in the middle of nowhere.

There are two houses in Wrothgar. Did you mean that both are out in the middle of nowhere? Because one is very conveniently near to some guild traders plus the questgiver for the daily delve quests. But, yes, the other is out in the middle of nowhere.

The only 2 I know of are Forgemaster Falls (near Morkhul Stronghold) and Pariah Pinnacle (near Maelstrom Arena). Is there another?

The exit for Forgemaster Falls is near a few guild traders, but otherwise I don't know what they're referring to. There's no inn room available in Orsinium, and the only two houses are the two you mentioned.

Wolf_Eye

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

centime wrote: »

Shagreth wrote: »

Thanks so much, ZOS!

More small & medium houses in the future would be nice though.

Heh.

Pretty disingenuous to delete your entire original comment in which you complained about the FREE house, lol.

It isn't disingenuous. They took the feedback they were given by several posters, and edited their post accordingly. I think a willingness to learn from ones mistakes is worthy of praise. OP understands what went wrong and is trying to amend it. Lets steer the thread away from ridicule and onto the subject OP actually wanted to discuss to begin with, shall we?

Now, with that being said, onto housing talk!

One of the things I am eternally lamenting about the housing system is that there are so many well made, smaller structures already existing in the overland that would make great medium sized homes. Yet they never get used as houses!

For example, there is a small house in skyrim with a really cozy layout I love, but it has never been used as a player home even though it would make a perfect 200-400 slot home (I'd appreciate having 600-700 slots in it, so that a small outside garden area could be made more elaborate)

Here's some screenshots of the house I mean, inside spoiler tags. Sorry they're kind of terrible, there's a ton of NPC's inside the house after you finish the quests.

It would be perfect with a little, fenced in garden area and small river running behind it. Nothing too huge, with a cozy indoor and outdoor space. It only has a front room and a back room inside the house, but I love the cozy vibe of the home.

I love big houses, but this tiny home has been one of my dream houses for a long time

I agree with Archangel here. Communication isn't just about speaking, it's about being understood by others. If there is a misunderstanding due to what you say or the way you say it, then it is only natural to want to change it so that you are understood appropriately.

You can say whatever you want, but if no one can understand you then there is no actual discussion happening. I think it is laudable for someone to go back and correct their comment so that it is more understandable, as it shows they genuinely want to engage in discussion.

I also got to say I agree with Archangel on wanting more smaller houses as well. Speaking of Skyrim...I, too, have always admired a particular Western Skyrim home. But it's different than the one Archangel showcases here.

The one I've always loved was the Hunter's House (a crafting station area which contains Stuhn's Favor set). It shows up as a crafting location marker on the map. Small, homey cabin with an upstairs loft and a little outside "shed" that's built into the left side. I am sorry I do not have pics on hand to show.

It's so cute and comforting , that when I happen to make my way over there I stay a while.

SilverBride

Desiato wrote: »

...I don't think they'll make significant changes to any overland or city areas by adding a new structure.

They wouldn't have to. There are buildings in towns that the doorway is blocked and the player cannot enter, such as this one just outside Windhelm. They could use these as new homes and would not have to change the outside appearance of the area at all.

Desiato

SilverBride wrote: »

They wouldn't have to. There are buildings in towns that the doorway is blocked and the player cannot enter, such as this one just outside Windhelm. They could use these as new homes and would not have to change the outside appearance of the area at all.

That's basically what I said. Most inaccessible buildings are chained, but in this case marked as inaccessible in another way:

Desiato wrote:

So if one wants a smaller house added to the game, the key is to find an existing structure with an inaccessible chained door or that is otherwise unused for anything else that already has a prefab interior that they can use for it. For example, the buildings with chained doors in Wayrest.

So in feedback to ZOS, I suggest sharing with them that location and others like it, asking them to make it a purchasable house.

TaSheen

The only "smaller" house I would ever be interested in is Erlibru's Cottage in High Isle. Too bad they don't seem interested in considering it.