StaticWave wrote: »Considering this thread has consistently stayed at the top of this section of the forums, I have no doubt ZOS knows about Ward's overperformance.
I think Ward is getting the Corrosive Armor treatment. It's a combat balance issue for sure, but it's not as much of an issue in a long list of issues they need to address. It took Corrosive Armor 2 years to receive a nerf, so I'm thinking it may take another year for Ward to be addressed.
Considering this thread has been going half a year, no they haven't. The Undeath change is awesome, u43 is so far one of the best PvP patches in a while, which makes Hardened Ward even more of an obvious outlier.Bushido2513 wrote: »Honestly I think most people have just adjusted and moved on.
xylena_lazarow wrote: »Considering this thread has been going half a year, no they haven't. The Undeath change is awesome, u43 is so far one of the best PvP patches in a while, which makes Hardened Ward even more of an obvious outlier.Bushido2513 wrote: »Honestly I think most people have just adjusted and moved on.
TechMaybeHic wrote: »Undeath nerf has made mages wrath worth slotting for me as well. That and AOE curses are pretty sweet
TBH; makes me want to get the plar out and see what RO looks like. RO with VD from a zerg?
Bushido2513 wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Undeath nerf has made mages wrath worth slotting for me as well. That and AOE curses are pretty sweet
TBH; makes me want to get the plar out and see what RO looks like. RO with VD from a zerg?
I can never figure out what to leave on the table for wrath? Would be nice to not always have to burst people with just combos and spam when get low and won't die
TechMaybeHic wrote: »Bushido2513 wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Undeath nerf has made mages wrath worth slotting for me as well. That and AOE curses are pretty sweet
TBH; makes me want to get the plar out and see what RO looks like. RO with VD from a zerg?
I can never figure out what to leave on the table for wrath? Would be nice to not always have to burst people with just combos and spam when get low and won't die
I took of mage light. My shield dipped like 500-1k in Cyrodii from it.
PudraSekeri wrote: »I have to use hardened ward to survive, but I have a stamsorc and this skill is magicka based and it doesn't make sense to use it. Another option is scribbing, but I don't have this dlc. Why doesn't the game offer me flexible options?
PudraSekeri wrote: »I have to use hardened ward to survive, but I have a stamsorc and this skill is magicka based and it doesn't make sense to use it. Another option is scribbing, but I don't have this dlc. Why doesn't the game offer me flexible options?
Bushido2513 wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Bushido2513 wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Undeath nerf has made mages wrath worth slotting for me as well. That and AOE curses are pretty sweet
TBH; makes me want to get the plar out and see what RO looks like. RO with VD from a zerg?
I can never figure out what to leave on the table for wrath? Would be nice to not always have to burst people with just combos and spam when get low and won't die
I took of mage light. My shield dipped like 500-1k in Cyrodii from it.
Yeah that's the one i always consider and really I don't care much about that minimal shield loss but then you either lose crit, or have you use pots but then switch as needed just to get a limited time reveal from a detect pot. Inner light is really a limited backup reveal but still the whole thing just seems to get clunky on those if you drop that skill. Still you have an execute so I go back and forth on that one.
StaticWave wrote: »I adapted by building tankier and ignoring them in a fight. I’ll still take hella dmg from them though, but I usually kill them last or catch them off guard when their shield is down.
TechMaybeHic wrote: »Bushido2513 wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Bushido2513 wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Undeath nerf has made mages wrath worth slotting for me as well. That and AOE curses are pretty sweet
TBH; makes me want to get the plar out and see what RO looks like. RO with VD from a zerg?
I can never figure out what to leave on the table for wrath? Would be nice to not always have to burst people with just combos and spam when get low and won't die
I took of mage light. My shield dipped like 500-1k in Cyrodii from it.
Yeah that's the one i always consider and really I don't care much about that minimal shield loss but then you either lose crit, or have you use pots but then switch as needed just to get a limited time reveal from a detect pot. Inner light is really a limited backup reveal but still the whole thing just seems to get clunky on those if you drop that skill. Still you have an execute so I go back and forth on that one.
There are a few options to make room. Ironically; sorc used to be crowded for bar space but I find it might be the easiest now. Maybe after NB. Can run wield soul as a spammable, still can do chudan for major resolve. Just slotting a kill gives minor protection and resolve and stats both bars, so no need for resolving vigor. You could even do soul burst gor a burst heal and HOT if you wanted, which is really effective if you have tgat big shield precast. Or just use Vibrant shroud which will also buff your shield size, always hit you and any friendly in front of you.
Bushido2513 wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Bushido2513 wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Bushido2513 wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Undeath nerf has made mages wrath worth slotting for me as well. That and AOE curses are pretty sweet
TBH; makes me want to get the plar out and see what RO looks like. RO with VD from a zerg?
I can never figure out what to leave on the table for wrath? Would be nice to not always have to burst people with just combos and spam when get low and won't die
I took of mage light. My shield dipped like 500-1k in Cyrodii from it.
Yeah that's the one i always consider and really I don't care much about that minimal shield loss but then you either lose crit, or have you use pots but then switch as needed just to get a limited time reveal from a detect pot. Inner light is really a limited backup reveal but still the whole thing just seems to get clunky on those if you drop that skill. Still you have an execute so I go back and forth on that one.
There are a few options to make room. Ironically; sorc used to be crowded for bar space but I find it might be the easiest now. Maybe after NB. Can run wield soul as a spammable, still can do chudan for major resolve. Just slotting a kill gives minor protection and resolve and stats both bars, so no need for resolving vigor. You could even do soul burst gor a burst heal and HOT if you wanted, which is really effective if you have tgat big shield precast. Or just use Vibrant shroud which will also buff your shield size, always hit you and any friendly in front of you.
Problem is that I don't use chudan or have the new chapter. So yes you're correct and I'm glad you mentioned that. This is how others have space for it when I don't but my build works as I like it for my style and if I want an execute I'll have you play more of a meta build which just kills the fun for me. Anyways thanks for the explanation!
TechMaybeHic wrote: »Bushido2513 wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Bushido2513 wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Bushido2513 wrote: »TechMaybeHic wrote: »Undeath nerf has made mages wrath worth slotting for me as well. That and AOE curses are pretty sweet
TBH; makes me want to get the plar out and see what RO looks like. RO with VD from a zerg?
I can never figure out what to leave on the table for wrath? Would be nice to not always have to burst people with just combos and spam when get low and won't die
I took of mage light. My shield dipped like 500-1k in Cyrodii from it.
Yeah that's the one i always consider and really I don't care much about that minimal shield loss but then you either lose crit, or have you use pots but then switch as needed just to get a limited time reveal from a detect pot. Inner light is really a limited backup reveal but still the whole thing just seems to get clunky on those if you drop that skill. Still you have an execute so I go back and forth on that one.
There are a few options to make room. Ironically; sorc used to be crowded for bar space but I find it might be the easiest now. Maybe after NB. Can run wield soul as a spammable, still can do chudan for major resolve. Just slotting a kill gives minor protection and resolve and stats both bars, so no need for resolving vigor. You could even do soul burst gor a burst heal and HOT if you wanted, which is really effective if you have tgat big shield precast. Or just use Vibrant shroud which will also buff your shield size, always hit you and any friendly in front of you.
Problem is that I don't use chudan or have the new chapter. So yes you're correct and I'm glad you mentioned that. This is how others have space for it when I don't but my build works as I like it for my style and if I want an execute I'll have you play more of a meta build which just kills the fun for me. Anyways thanks for the explanation!
There is a lot of flexibility between where you likely are at, and meta. I do my own build but at some point in variations; you're gimping yourself too much for the sake of identity
Bushido2513 wrote: »
Problem is that I don't use chudan or have the new chapter. So yes you're correct and I'm glad you mentioned that. This is how others have space for it when I don't but my build works as I like it for my style and if I want an execute I'll have you play more of a meta build which just kills the fun for me. Anyways thanks for the explanation!
Turtle_Bot wrote: »Bushido2513 wrote: »
Problem is that I don't use chudan or have the new chapter. So yes you're correct and I'm glad you mentioned that. This is how others have space for it when I don't but my build works as I like it for my style and if I want an execute I'll have you play more of a meta build which just kills the fun for me. Anyways thanks for the explanation!
The new chapter is a big difference maker in terms of flexibility imo. Not having Chudan can be built around (I still run it, but I have tested other things), but scribing just opens up so much bar flexibility that was not available to sorc before (still behind NB, but no class is even remotely close to NB for bar space flexibility).
For example, I currently run a sword and board/ice staff sorc (not stacking mag) with S+B front bar for shield throw as my spammable allowing me to run heal soul as my burst heal instead of ward and with major prophecy/savagery now on shield throw (as of this patch), I am able to completely drop inner light for something else without losing such an important (and basic) buff and as a bonus I also get to keep vitality on heal soul. (Currently running frags for front bar minor prophecy, but mages wrath has been tempting to try out, especially now that undeath has been rightfully nerfed).
I'd ideally prefer to run a shock damage AoE travelling knife (DW scribed skill), but that skill is currently still stam locked and fairly costly to use, so is too awkward to run on a magicka sorc, despite being a more fun ability to use (for me) than either shield throw or shocking soul (both of which are still fun).
Very good Sorc advice. Pretty sure the common thread of Ward apologists is an inability to use Streak.just don't get hit lol. This is serious : you need to go behind walls with streak when you take too much damage. You don't "have to use hardened ward to survive". I guess critical surge can help survivability but the core of stamsorc is to go too fast for others to kill you. If you're still struggling, use something like pariah or trial by fire
Bushido2513 wrote: »Turtle_Bot wrote: »Bushido2513 wrote: »
Problem is that I don't use chudan or have the new chapter. So yes you're correct and I'm glad you mentioned that. This is how others have space for it when I don't but my build works as I like it for my style and if I want an execute I'll have you play more of a meta build which just kills the fun for me. Anyways thanks for the explanation!
The new chapter is a big difference maker in terms of flexibility imo. Not having Chudan can be built around (I still run it, but I have tested other things), but scribing just opens up so much bar flexibility that was not available to sorc before (still behind NB, but no class is even remotely close to NB for bar space flexibility).
For example, I currently run a sword and board/ice staff sorc (not stacking mag) with S+B front bar for shield throw as my spammable allowing me to run heal soul as my burst heal instead of ward and with major prophecy/savagery now on shield throw (as of this patch), I am able to completely drop inner light for something else without losing such an important (and basic) buff and as a bonus I also get to keep vitality on heal soul. (Currently running frags for front bar minor prophecy, but mages wrath has been tempting to try out, especially now that undeath has been rightfully nerfed).
I'd ideally prefer to run a shock damage AoE travelling knife (DW scribed skill), but that skill is currently still stam locked and fairly costly to use, so is too awkward to run on a magicka sorc, despite being a more fun ability to use (for me) than either shield throw or shocking soul (both of which are still fun).
So what you're saying is get with the times, get out my wallet, and get my scribe grind on 😂.
Kidding, I know scribing could easily fix some holes but I'm not really up for paying for a grind opportunity. This does really highlight for people just how scribing can make life easier if you're into it. Thankfully ZOS didn't make it a case where I feel at all like a sorc with scribing is that much more competitive than my own. Well other than they have an execute or maybe a bigger shield or healing but at this point that's not a concern for me
Turtle_Bot wrote: »Bushido2513 wrote: »Turtle_Bot wrote: »Bushido2513 wrote: »
Problem is that I don't use chudan or have the new chapter. So yes you're correct and I'm glad you mentioned that. This is how others have space for it when I don't but my build works as I like it for my style and if I want an execute I'll have you play more of a meta build which just kills the fun for me. Anyways thanks for the explanation!
The new chapter is a big difference maker in terms of flexibility imo. Not having Chudan can be built around (I still run it, but I have tested other things), but scribing just opens up so much bar flexibility that was not available to sorc before (still behind NB, but no class is even remotely close to NB for bar space flexibility).
For example, I currently run a sword and board/ice staff sorc (not stacking mag) with S+B front bar for shield throw as my spammable allowing me to run heal soul as my burst heal instead of ward and with major prophecy/savagery now on shield throw (as of this patch), I am able to completely drop inner light for something else without losing such an important (and basic) buff and as a bonus I also get to keep vitality on heal soul. (Currently running frags for front bar minor prophecy, but mages wrath has been tempting to try out, especially now that undeath has been rightfully nerfed).
I'd ideally prefer to run a shock damage AoE travelling knife (DW scribed skill), but that skill is currently still stam locked and fairly costly to use, so is too awkward to run on a magicka sorc, despite being a more fun ability to use (for me) than either shield throw or shocking soul (both of which are still fun).
So what you're saying is get with the times, get out my wallet, and get my scribe grind on 😂.
Kidding, I know scribing could easily fix some holes but I'm not really up for paying for a grind opportunity. This does really highlight for people just how scribing can make life easier if you're into it. Thankfully ZOS didn't make it a case where I feel at all like a sorc with scribing is that much more competitive than my own. Well other than they have an execute or maybe a bigger shield or healing but at this point that's not a concern for me
lol, everyone knows every chapter is just there to be p2w. 😂 /s
In all honesty, for the current "optimal" build of mag stacking for ward, scribing is also not needed (crushing shock or crushing weapon fills the spammable role just fine and inner light provides prophecy/savagery).
What scribing does do though is allow for off meta (non mag-stacking) builds (like my build above) to finally have true flexibility in bar space by adding some of the many missing buffs (savagery/prophecy, courage, cowardice, breach, etc) that sorc lacks inherently compared to other classes (except necro) onto actually useful abilities that are worth slotting (spammable, burst heal, AoE, etc) to allow other more niche abilities to be slotted. Ele sus is still BiS for breach, but that's because ele sus is just so strong now.
Scribing technically does this for other classes as well, but sorc has been the biggest benefiter of scribing since sorc seems to be designed to require other classes (or non-class abilities) to provide the majority of the major buffs/debuffs for it outside of 2/3 of the basics (brutality/sorcery and resolve) and scribing allows sorc to easily fill those gaps, especially the basic major prophecy/savagery buff.
Bushido2513 wrote: »Turtle_Bot wrote: »Bushido2513 wrote: »Turtle_Bot wrote: »Bushido2513 wrote: »
Problem is that I don't use chudan or have the new chapter. So yes you're correct and I'm glad you mentioned that. This is how others have space for it when I don't but my build works as I like it for my style and if I want an execute I'll have you play more of a meta build which just kills the fun for me. Anyways thanks for the explanation!
The new chapter is a big difference maker in terms of flexibility imo. Not having Chudan can be built around (I still run it, but I have tested other things), but scribing just opens up so much bar flexibility that was not available to sorc before (still behind NB, but no class is even remotely close to NB for bar space flexibility).
For example, I currently run a sword and board/ice staff sorc (not stacking mag) with S+B front bar for shield throw as my spammable allowing me to run heal soul as my burst heal instead of ward and with major prophecy/savagery now on shield throw (as of this patch), I am able to completely drop inner light for something else without losing such an important (and basic) buff and as a bonus I also get to keep vitality on heal soul. (Currently running frags for front bar minor prophecy, but mages wrath has been tempting to try out, especially now that undeath has been rightfully nerfed).
I'd ideally prefer to run a shock damage AoE travelling knife (DW scribed skill), but that skill is currently still stam locked and fairly costly to use, so is too awkward to run on a magicka sorc, despite being a more fun ability to use (for me) than either shield throw or shocking soul (both of which are still fun).
So what you're saying is get with the times, get out my wallet, and get my scribe grind on 😂.
Kidding, I know scribing could easily fix some holes but I'm not really up for paying for a grind opportunity. This does really highlight for people just how scribing can make life easier if you're into it. Thankfully ZOS didn't make it a case where I feel at all like a sorc with scribing is that much more competitive than my own. Well other than they have an execute or maybe a bigger shield or healing but at this point that's not a concern for me
lol, everyone knows every chapter is just there to be p2w. 😂 /s
In all honesty, for the current "optimal" build of mag stacking for ward, scribing is also not needed (crushing shock or crushing weapon fills the spammable role just fine and inner light provides prophecy/savagery).
What scribing does do though is allow for off meta (non mag-stacking) builds (like my build above) to finally have true flexibility in bar space by adding some of the many missing buffs (savagery/prophecy, courage, cowardice, breach, etc) that sorc lacks inherently compared to other classes (except necro) onto actually useful abilities that are worth slotting (spammable, burst heal, AoE, etc) to allow other more niche abilities to be slotted. Ele sus is still BiS for breach, but that's because ele sus is just so strong now.
Scribing technically does this for other classes as well, but sorc has been the biggest benefiter of scribing since sorc seems to be designed to require other classes (or non-class abilities) to provide the majority of the major buffs/debuffs for it outside of 2/3 of the basics (brutality/sorcery and resolve) and scribing allows sorc to easily fill those gaps, especially the basic major prophecy/savagery buff.
Ngl looked at the spamable and definitely want it because I'd enjoy a weavable with fracture on it or some of the other combinations but yeah not going to pay for it or do the grind if I don't have to. Also I just don't want to change up my bars again after getting a rotation down after much recent practice. I might get into it once it's cheap when they reduce the price to sell the next thing and get all and any nerfs done lol.
Also I didn't realize people might be getting vitality and thus having even more benefit from a min maxed ward!