Crafter's Celebration Feedback Thread

Daoin · February 21

loved it, more please..was such a pleasant change once it was ironed out

i think having also unexpected events like these are a good idea once in a while. maybe a variation of some sort on them maybe taken into consideration though and not just repeats of the crafters one ?

Akynathos · February 21

Others have made the points I would make in greater detail and more poignant. So I will just add my voice to the chorus with a quickfire:

- I like the idea of having little mini-events like these
- boosting crafting is a cool idea
- some notice beforehand would be appreciated
- pulling back on the (arguably) most impactful aspect of the event due to a very obvious exploit felt really bad
- therefore maybe give new events a test spin on the PTS

ghastley · February 21

Did anyone get the impression that the doubled vouchers on master writs received was completely offset by halving the rate of their dropping?

Luke_Flamesword · February 21

My experience with event? Well, first day I was like" Oh, double vouchers on master writs, I'm going to do some" so I made some but without bonuses. On forum (not in game) I found out that it was double only for new writs, so ok - that was not expecting from event description, but fine. I also find out that there was exploit with transmutes - oh, another possibility to be banned by half-baked feature, so stayed away from this. In weekend I made a new build for one of my characters, because apparently transmutes bug was fixed, so I thought that's a good time for make some gear. After hours of reading about different sets and combos, I started a game and was confused, because there was no discount on transmutes price and again I find out on forum that "fix" was just disabling it.

So, yeah, quality stuff as always.

EF321 · February 21

ghastley wrote: »

Did anyone get the impression that the doubled vouchers on master writs received was completely offset by halving the rate of their dropping?

No, it was the same drop rate.

polaris86 · February 21

I like crafting so I hope to see more crafter mini events, I hope the team is not discouraged by the reception on this event.

-Doubled master writs didn't drop much for me. I got a couple on the first day or two, and some days without any. I have 4 characters that I was doing writs on, two have all the crafting skill points set and the other two have only enchanting at 10 which I know reduced my chance.
-I'd like to see research time boosts and/or scroll drops next time.
-Give SOME incentive to do surveys. If double drops is too much, I dunno... add a furnishing material to them maybe
-Increased chances of plan drops from containers and pickpocketing would be amazing.
-Personally I did not really care about the transmute bonus but maybe you can add more transmute stone drops next time instead of the half-off reconstruction fiasco.

Carcamongus · February 21

I'm a crafter and here are my thoughts:

The wording on the event announcement about double vouchers was, as others already pointed out, unfortunate. In future events, either the bonus should apply to all master writs or, if that's not possible, their drop rate should be considerably increased.

Bonus inspiration was a good idea.

Higher chance to obtain tempers should be expanded from just deconstruction towards refining as well.

I didn't learn about the transmute exploit until after the event. If it's not possible to reduce the cost to reconstruct equipment without causing this issue, I'd say a workaround is to increase transmute crystals drop rate during the next event.

It was very nice to have double drops from nodes. I had a great and introspective time running around Blackreach harvesting everything. However, I'd like to know why the double drops never extend to leather from creatures.

In sum, I wouldn't change much about this event, except (obviously) the part about exploits, better results from refining, extra master writs or double vouchers for all writs and, if possible, double leather drops. If my options are nothing or another crafters' event, I certainly choose the latter.

FlopsyPrince · February 21

I have piled up surveys because they are painful to collect, especially on console.

Not an event issue, but

- Show them on the map
- Allow a way to reset the spawn spot without running an uncertain distance away

I would agree with the comment above that noted some additional reward would help for an event like this. Even add 10-20% of the mats maybe if doubling is intolerable. Though doubling would definitely make it much more compelling.

virtus753 · February 21

Carcamongus wrote: »

However, I'd like to know why the double drops never extend to leather from creatures

They actually do, if you test it. ZOS has said the bonus doesn't affect creature drops, but they have for at least the past three events. (I didn't test before they started saying it didn't work.)

Indigo_Shade · February 21

Main is a master crafter and has been for over 2 years. Have a couple of other "in the works" crafters. Main does Daily Writs and Master Writs. Gets on average 5-8 gold Master Writs a month and 20-30 purple Master Writs a month.

My main takeaway of this event: It was for newbie crafters and pretty meaningless to us vet crafters, who have completely different needs, desires and existing buffs.. Also, it felt very rushed and several mistakes were made. I also sort of recall this was tried once before and it did not go well. [/b]

Master Writs
I found the "Master Writ" part of this event very lackluster. I had already gotten 3 gold gear Master Writs just before the event, so of course all I got during the event were 3 gold Enchantment Master writs (which I only get 0-1 a MONTH usually) and a few purple Master writs of no great worth. And of course the debacle regarding just what the buff was for Master Writs was pretty dumb.

Node Qty Buff
Have the CP buffs, and most of the time, felt like this was not working at all. I got lucky and got 20 wood from a single normal node, but that was it. All the other nodes felt normal. I did Surveys during the event (40 of them, even) and farmed a lot of normal nodes while traveling to the Survey nodes. I did more harvesting of normal nodes during the event than I normally do on a weekend, so had plenty of chances to pay attention to the quantity of materials I got from each one.

Transmutes
Do not do a lot of this (lack of Transmutes, no need) and can only say the debacle with the rollback could have been avoided.

Improvement Materials
No idea if this worked or not, as I was pushing all junk gear to a toon who is leveling crafting skill lines during the event.

+100% Inspiration gain to all crafting skill lines
From what? I did not see this at all, not sure if it was broken or if I did not do the "whatever is not mentioned that this comes from". Would have been nice to know what had to be done for this gain. For sure, I had a chance to watch the progress of a toon who was deconstructing 160 level gear to level blacksmithing, woodworking and clothing from 0 - 50, and noticed the normal level gain that I expected (do this on lots of toons). Pretty sure I would have got to 50 if this had been working.

Tandor · February 21

A lot of players regularly ask for something to done to enhance fishing, whether through a skill line, some Endeavours, or other such things.

How about using the Crafter's Celebration to include something for fishing? Perhaps an increased chance of catching rare fish, or a rare chance of catching a special Event fish, for example?

As for this event, I'm afraid that things like transmuting, crafting bonuses and writ vouchers tend to pass me by as I don't do transmuting or enough of the other things to notice any difference, but I appreciated the extra harvest nodes.

BenevolentBowd · February 22

A lot of great ideas mentioned so far.

As some one who's playstyle is crafting focused and has a lot of maxed out crafters, it was nice to see a crafting-based mini-event (PvP have battleground weekends, for example) but I agree it fell a bit flat.

Inspiration:
- took advantage to level up crafting on my Xbox characters
- little change on my main account

Sealed Writ Bonus
- Given the low drop rate of Sealed Writs somewhere between 1 in 8 and 1 in 12, this bonus had limited benefit to most.
- I like the fact that the double bonus extended beyond the event so I could save them for double xp events.
- double xp from turning in sealed writs during the event would have been great and we wouldn't have needed to save them.

Endeavors
It was great to see a lot of crafting endeavors. Writ vouchers being added to endeavor rewards was great.

Node bonuses
It was great to get extra housing mats, but it would have been nice if it included surveys. (There appears to be a huge shortage of alchemy reagents in the economy, for example).

Food for thought
Offering cross-playstyle rewards might be an interesting for future events. Writ vouchers were nice rewards but for crafters, it's kind of like giving ice to people living in the Arctic Circle: chances are they have a lot of them or can earn a lot of them.
As a crafter, it would have been cool to earn rewards that included Tel Var (used to by Prismatic Runes), Alliance Points (Alliance motifs and style items), or Transmute Crystals (only available from dungeons and other non-crafting activities) from doing crafting activities.

MageCatF4F · February 22

In my case I simply ran my usual node route. I did get more Mundane runes than usual, but, I got less heartwood. I wonder why that is? The logs I chopped seem to have plenty of ruby, but zero heartwood.

And you know, I craft a lot of furnishings that need a lot of heartwood. Such a strange thing for an event oriented towards crafters.

virtus753 · February 22

MageCatF4F wrote: »

In my case I simply ran my usual node route. I did get more Mundane runes than usual, but, I got less heartwood. I wonder why that is? The logs I chopped seem to have plenty of ruby, but zero heartwood.

And you know, I craft a lot of furnishings that need a lot of heartwood. Such a strange thing for an event oriented towards crafters.

The event bonus does not work on Heartwood for some reason (at least across 1k+ pulls on PC-NA). Likely a bug. It works on all other furnishing mats properly.

ThatsAnOnion · February 22

I endorse most of what’s been said here. But as I’m seeing more reports of friends and guildies being suspended for using a feature during this event that worked just as intended and was published to the live server by ZoS in all their brilliance, I have to weigh in.

ZoS needs to do a serious post-mortem and introspection, share the results publicly and make amends. This event and the communication surrounding it has been amateurish at best. And to punish swaths of players is utterly unacceptable and shameful behaviour. Cancelled my ESO subscription in solidarity.

My feedback is this: Never, ever go about an event like this again. Own up to your missteps. Take the L yourselves and don’t take it out on others.

Necrotech_Master · February 22

my view is that this was an alright event but there was a lot of things that missed for me

things that worked:

extra harvesting
cheaper transmutes

things that didnt work:

doubling master writ voucher only from brand new writs, not all writs
(obviously) the cheaper reconstruction

possible suggestions for a future crafters event:

increase gains in transmutes
double ALL master writ values
while it wouldnt benefit me necessarily, maybe reduce research times
maybe something with deconstruction like increase or double the amount of items returned from decon

javic1502 · February 22

What I would like, more than anything else, is for the ability to spam saved-up sealed crafting writs for extra rewards, like in the first Zenithar event. When that was capped in the second Zenithar event, it was devastating. It took the one event in the game that I felt like it was designed for player like me, and ruined it. Please, please, please, bring that back.

MidniteOwl1913 · February 22

I loved the idea of a surprise mini-event. And something simple with no tickets like this doesn't add to "event fatigue" in my opinion. That said since it was such a short event it really needed extra punch. I like the idea of double the value of the writs, but the drop rate needed to be at least double as well. I got only one writ in the four days, nice idea poorly executed.

The increased drop from farming resources was also ***-hum. As a master crafter that's not a resource I lack. Transmutes! That's where the rubber hits the road. I'd really like to try some new sets but the transmute cost is too much.

The transmute reduction for changing traits was nice, but of limited use. I sell or deconstruct pieces that don't have the traits I want so I didn't have a lot of things to transmute. Some warning about that aspect might have been nice.

FlopsyPrince · February 23

javic1502 wrote: »

What I would like, more than anything else, is for the ability to spam saved-up sealed crafting writs for extra rewards, like in the first Zenithar event. When that was capped in the second Zenithar event, it was devastating. It took the one event in the game that I felt like it was designed for player like me, and ruined it. Please, please, please, bring that back.

Staying away from the mentality that "a hoarder might benefit" would do well for ZOS.

Groterdan · February 23

Short and simple.

Idea great.
How it actually was poor . Removing the 50procent from reconstruction kinda want overshadowed all for me

duagloth · February 23

Personally, I don't like surprises.

karthrag_inak · February 23

Khajiit found it to be delightful and only wished the transmute situation was better handled. Would have benn nice.to have all writs give double voucher rewards. Khajiit has 75k vouchers as it is, but more is always nice

Finedaible · February 23

The Crafter's Event was fine if a bit hastily implemented. It did feel odd having one bonus being cancelled altogether because of an oversighted exploit though.

I would have liked more advanced notice of the Crafter's event since it did not leave me enough time to plan what I wanted to do before it abruptly ended. Regardless I feel like transmutation should cost 25 crystals as default if you have completed the stickerbook on a set but ok i guess.

ZOS_Kevin · February 23

Thanks everyone for your feedback here. We'll leave this pinned throughout the weekend and then unpin on Monday. We'll also pass this thread to our events team for their review. Thanks all.

LadyLethalla · February 24

Agree 100% on increasing the drop rate oof Master Writs and furnishing mats.

Aliniel · February 24

Event like this should be predictable. Make it happen regularly on a known date. E.g. first weekend every month (second/third/fourth month). This way people can plan beforehand.

Right now, the event feels like it is completely focused on the new players who didn't level their crafters. Add some benefits for the true crafters who do their daily writs on multiple characters. Make this event motivate us to do all of our hoarded surveys and master writs. Some extra reward from those. E.g.:

Extra loot from surveys
Extra XP/Vouchers from writs.
Extra XP/loot from daily writs.
Each daily writ done reduces the research time of all active research for X minutes (30, 60...).

The extra reward can be something account/character bound so we don't get an unfair edge over other players who don't hoard:

A chance of getting a "bag of crafting goods" from Master/Daily writs. Contains extra resources not usually present in Daily Writs.
A chance of getting transmutation crystals from Master/Daily writs.
A chance of getting mimic stones from Master/Daily writs.
A chance of getting an unknown motif page, recipe from Master/Daily writs.
Extra XP, Vouchers, increased drop chances of writ rewards.
XP for picking up a node, for doing a survey. Something not too insane.
Reduced cost of crafting and improving items.

ADarklore · February 24

I loved it! We should have more of these small events. I don't understand the mentality of people saying, "We have too many events" when they don't HAVE TO participate in it. There are players like me who are constantly leveling new characters or who farm mat nodes to sell for income- and these type of events help me greatly. I'd rather have more small events, than have NOTHING.

I can understand removing the discount to reconstruction, but loved the discount to trait change, as I was finally able to get a monster piece that I'd been hanging on to changed over to Divines- so now I can actually use it.

Final thoughts... I have no complaints about the event whatsoever and hope we see more of them in the future.

Fischblut · February 25

I was very excited to see that this event offered us double writ vouchers earned. It was almost too good to be true, so I did one of my old simple Enchanting writs to test this bonus... It saved me lot of anger! Very disappointing that old writs didn't count for this bonus

The wording should be "Master Writs earned during this event will have double vouchers as reward" or something...

I always like double crafting resources because I love gathering, and I just can't skip a node if it contains more materials

And each event I try to do a crafting survey in hope that it will be doubled too

Azwrix · February 26

I am 1000% grateful for new and exciting events in ESO. I am, however, against half-baked events that get partially redacted one day in because no one playtested any of it. I expected better, and was yet again disappointed.

tincanman · February 26

Comments made in another thread sum up my views/experience of crafter event:

tincanman wrote: »

Ambivalent.

It's not really a 'crafter' event more of a 'farmer' event since the only thing that has reliably worked as advertised is increased/double resource nodes.

Add to that 'event' fatigue and the apparent lack of planning/testing, it just seems to have created more false hope and confusion. And highlighted, again, the constant problem zos has with communication or its lack...

I'm pretty sure most players read the initial '100% writ vouchers' as a giant bonus for ALL master writs currently possessed and hoped it would help a lot towards getting the Grand Master craft tables bought/filled - that would definitely have been something to get excited about. So, it was INCREDIBLY disappointing to discover that any extra writ vouchers gained were going to be marginal at best, even with maximum grind of craft dailies for the few days of the event, given that, once the redacted text(s) had been clarified, that it was only master writs generated during the event that counted.

The fiasco with transmutes undeniably illustrated the complete absence of any testing and the 'solution' of just removing it entirely was pretty much more 'false hopes and confusion' for the players.

So what initially appeared to be a really great suprise turned out to be...not.