Stop Giving Nightblade Unnamed Damage Buffs
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Tyrant_Tim✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Alchimiste1 wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »What the heck. We already did this and it is too strong, and this version is even stronger than it was before. This is absolutely bonkers.
Nightblade desperately needs nerfs to reign it in in PVP not buffs. This is a unique, unnamed, 20% damage buff, 30% really because it can now be stacked with Major Breserk, on a class that is already overpowered to the point of being able to do uncounterable one-shots. Are we even playing the same game ZOS?! Revert this.
Not to mention you're continuing to buff it's access to Minor Expedition, to make it miles better than Sorc, which is patently unfair which still needs the skill to be cast to get Minor Expedition. Stop this, it's crazy.
Uncounterable oneshots??? What are you talking about??? Currently NB is second worst class in PVP due to it's lack of burst potential, NB doesn't have a single burst ability like warden, sorc, DK, templar and necro does, the only way to play NB is to run full proc build, you will not have enough damage to kill a good player otherwise. Warden's combo deals up to 30k damage while NB doesn't even have a burst combo whatsoever... Good players just always dodge bows after incap and that's it, there is nothing you can do as NB. I'm ready to give 100 million gold to anyone pointing that NB is good if you will kill my warden as NB, and it's not because I have billionds of gold, I just know that there is no such player who will actually do this because NB is DEAD in pvp
I accept your challenge. 100M on the line I'll be on NB and you on warden.
let me know when and where
Easiest pay out I’ve ever seen. 💸4 -
splitsand✭✭✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »What the heck. We already did this and it is too strong, and this version is even stronger than it was before. This is absolutely bonkers.
Nightblade desperately needs nerfs to reign it in in PVP not buffs. This is a unique, unnamed, 20% damage buff, 30% really because it can now be stacked with Major Breserk, on a class that is already overpowered to the point of being able to do uncounterable one-shots. Are we even playing the same game ZOS?! Revert this.
Not to mention you're continuing to buff it's access to Minor Expedition, to make it miles better than Sorc, which is patently unfair which still needs the skill to be cast to get Minor Expedition. Stop this, it's crazy.
Uncounterable oneshots??? What are you talking about??? Currently NB is second worst class in PVP due to it's lack of burst potential, NB doesn't have a single burst ability like warden, sorc, DK, templar and necro does, the only way to play NB is to run full proc build, you will not have enough damage to kill a good player otherwise. Warden's combo deals up to 30k damage while NB doesn't even have a burst combo whatsoever... Good players just always dodge bows after incap and that's it, there is nothing you can do as NB. I'm ready to give 100 million gold to anyone pointing that NB is good if you will kill my warden as NB, and it's not because I have billionds of gold, I just know that there is no such player who will actually do this because NB is DEAD in pvp
Where can I sign up? I'm short on gold and know a bunch of other people that would gladly help teach you a very expensive and valuable lesson.6 -
BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭PvP arguments are so strange. Everyone seems to have a complaint, but all the complaints are about entirely different things.
NBs, DKs, Wardens… Tanks, heals, ganking … Armor sets, bows, monster sets,…Apparently everything is a major problem. But how is one particular thing a major problem when every person is pointing their fingers in different directions? No one is objective. All passion, no support. So why listen to PvP concerns when there is no consensus on what the problem actually is?
All I know is that NBs feel overly complicated, yet ineffectual in pve. Their only saving grace is cloak, but the invisibility duration is laughably short, and that is not used in group content anyway.
These changes mean nothing to me, a change to an ability I have never and will never slot? Who cares? The whole class needs to be reworked.2 -
Aldoss✭✭✭✭✭
✭Just going to casually point out to anyone saying "they removed Maj Bezerk, this is a nerf" is losing sight of the fact that NBs now have two possible skills to use in combination with SSC that give them on demand access to Maj Bezerk AND Maj Courage AND concealed already passively helps them counter the effects of SSC more than most classes...
How is anyone arguing against this? 50% of all NBs next patch will be wearing SSC if these changes stay and concealed, incap, and bow will hit harder than they already do. Unbelievable...3 -
xDeusEJRx✭✭✭✭✭
✭Chubarov_S wrote: »
Irrespective of what you say, any arguments are very much a joke if you try to argue that Nightblade has a "lack of burst potential". I don't think anyone in this game thinks that. If Nightblade really had a lack of burst, I don't think anyone would play nightblade, but the reality is, you will not have a single fight with 0 nightblades involved.
Surely a weak class wouldn't be so universal in PVP.
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 3, 2024 7:10PMSolo PvP'er PS5 NA player
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Alchimiste1✭✭✭✭✭Chubarov_S wrote: »
My sources have told me this is cap
I am still waiting for the duel, about to spend all my newly quired gold on housing items.
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Chubarov_S✭✭✭Alchimiste1 wrote: »Chubarov_S wrote: »
My sources have told me this is cap
I am still waiting for the duel, about to spend all my newly quired gold on housing items.
Why don't you come to Bergama and prove it?
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 3, 2024 7:14PMTheorycrafter manaNB0 -
Chubarov_S✭✭✭Chubarov_S wrote: »
Irrespective of what you say, any arguments are very much a joke if you try to argue that Nightblade has a "lack of burst potential". I don't think anyone in this game thinks that. If Nightblade really had a lack of burst, I don't think anyone would play nightblade, but the reality is, you will not have a single fight with 0 nightblades involved.
Surely a weak class wouldn't be so universal in PVP.
I gave you a full set of damage compared to the sorcerer
Prove otherwise, the build calculator is available to everyone
Prove that NB has a higher burst than any other class
To understand: in PC EU, the level of reaction in a high rating is such that in 10 minutes of battle with one player you can NEVER hit him with a Bow, even under control at point-blank range, and sometimes even with Incap
And your Balorg will fly past every time, and there are a lot of such players in the high rankings
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 3, 2024 7:13PMTheorycrafter manaNB1 -
xDeusEJRx✭✭✭✭✭
✭Chubarov_S wrote: »Chubarov_S wrote: »
Irrespective of what you say, any arguments are very much a joke if you try to argue that Nightblade has a "lack of burst potential". I don't think anyone in this game thinks that. If Nightblade really had a lack of burst, I don't think anyone would play nightblade, but the reality is, you will not have a single fight with 0 nightblades involved.
Surely a weak class wouldn't be so universal in PVP.
I gave you a full set of damage compared to the sorcerer
Prove otherwise, the build calculator is available to everyone
Prove that NB has a higher burst than any other class
To understand: in PC EU, the level of reaction in a high rating is such that in 10 minutes of battle with one player you can NEVER hit him with a Bow, even under control at point-blank range, and sometimes even with Incap
And your Balorg will fly past every time, and there are a lot of such players in the high rankings
Okay but I don't know if you know this. Most PVP environments are large scale, no one is focused on fighting 1 player at a keep that has potential 30 players, so NIghtblade can easily land that bow that you said "will NEVER hit one player". So that argument is completely moot, if there's 30 targets and not all of them are focused on you, then you can easily burst them down. Not to mention not everyone in that 30+ man group will be hyperfocused because they're trying to zerg so it's easier to land combos on those players.
Most of PVP in this game isn't 1v1ing, most are zergs running around uncoordinated, and it's easy to kill people like that. So these arguments really don't work, 90% of open world players aren't building or optimizing to 1v1
[edited to remove quote]Edited by ZOS_Icy on February 3, 2024 7:12PMSolo PvP'er PS5 NA player
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MudcrabAttack✭✭✭✭✭We just finished our Rockgrove hard mode prog, the tank managed to hit the 6th highest DPS out of all DPS nightblades this patch in an unlisted ESO log. But yeah guess they need more nerfs because PVP4 -
Alchimiste1✭✭✭✭✭Chubarov_S wrote: »Chubarov_S wrote: »Chubarov_S wrote: »
Irrespective of what you say, any arguments are very much a joke if you try to argue that Nightblade has a "lack of burst potential". I don't think anyone in this game thinks that. If Nightblade really had a lack of burst, I don't think anyone would play nightblade, but the reality is, you will not have a single fight with 0 nightblades involved.
Surely a weak class wouldn't be so universal in PVP.
I gave you a full set of damage compared to the sorcerer
Prove otherwise, the build calculator is available to everyone
Prove that NB has a higher burst than any other class
To understand: in PC EU, the level of reaction in a high rating is such that in 10 minutes of battle with one player you can NEVER hit him with a Bow, even under control at point-blank range, and sometimes even with Incap
And your Balorg will fly past every time, and there are a lot of such players in the high rankings
Okay but I don't know if you know this. Most PVP environments are large scale, no one is focused on fighting 1 player at a keep that has potential 30 players, so NIghtblade can easily land that bow that you said "will NEVER hit one player". So that argument is completely moot, if there's 30 targets and not all of them are focused on you, then you can easily burst them down. Not to mention not everyone in that 30+ man group will be hyperfocused because they're trying to zerg so it's easier to land combos on those players.
Most of PVP in this game isn't 1v1ing, most are zergs running around uncoordinated, and it's easy to kill people like that. So these arguments really don't work, 90% of open world players aren't building or optimizing to 1v1
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aren't you the one that keeps saying "come bergma" for 1v1 to prove a point?
I'm a nb main and to say nb has no burst is just so disingenuous. If you only know how to incap- --> bow then yeah, you're going to feel like the class can't kill good players. My suggestion is learn to mix things up, how to time your ult during the best offensive windows (how to not be so predictable).
There is nothing wrong with Live nb in pvp rn. You have incredible flexibility (best bar space of any class). It does well solo, small scale, and even large scale pvp) You'd do well by playing it as dps, support, and healer.
Does it out cheese other bermga builds by making the best use of mdw, zaans, jerall mountain or whatever? maybe not. but who cares when it does well in so many other aspects of pvp. It's not even bad 1v1, it just takes a nb that knows how to do more than incap bow.
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Chubarov_S✭✭✭Chubarov_S wrote: »Chubarov_S wrote: »
aren't you the one that keeps saying "come bergma" for 1v1 to prove a point?
I'm a nb main and to say nb has no burst is just so disingenuous. If you only know how to incap- --> bow then yeah, you're going to feel like the class can't kill good players. My suggestion is learn to mix things up, how to time your ult during the best offensive windows (how to not be so predictable).
There is nothing wrong with Live nb in pvp rn. You have incredible flexibility (best bar space of any class). It does well solo, small scale, and even large scale pvp) You'd do well by playing it as dps, support, and healer.
Does it out cheese other bermga builds by making the best use of mdw, zaans, jerall mountain or whatever? maybe not. but who cares when it does well in so many other aspects of pvp. It's not even bad 1v1, it just takes a nb that knows how to do more than incap bow.
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I don’t understand what the problem is in proving this right now. It’s possible even with me, although I’m not the strongest NB now, but I have 6000 hours on it in pvpEdited by Chubarov_S on February 3, 2024 7:46PMTheorycrafter manaNB0 -
Alchimiste1✭✭✭✭✭@Chubarov_S
are you going to put 100M gold on the line ? if so I can install pts, and we can fight there because Im PC/NAEdited by Alchimiste1 on February 3, 2024 7:47PM1 -
Chubarov_S✭✭✭Alchimiste1 wrote: »@Chubarov_S
are you going to put 100M gold on the line ? if so I can install pts, and we can fight there because Im PC/NA
I don't need to bet 100 million gold to prove it
You can just come to your dueling spot and show a video of how you kill everyone in duelsTheorycrafter manaNB0 -
Alchimiste1✭✭✭✭✭Chubarov_S wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »@Chubarov_S
are you going to put 100M gold on the line ? if so I can install pts, and we can fight there because Im PC/NA
I don't need to bet 100 million gold to prove it
You can just come to your dueling spot and show a video of how you kill everyone in duels
lmao, nah
put 100M on the line and I fight you. I'm not trying to waste my time
I don't even know why you are so fixated on these duels. It doesn't prove anything. Nb is great as a whole in pvp. I wouldn't even entertain the idea that me winning a duel against anyone proves any type of point about nb. I'm only doing so because its free gold if 100M is on the line. It's like you purposely ignore how good nb is in all other aspects of pvp. Its not even bad at dueling.Edited by Alchimiste1 on February 3, 2024 8:53PM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Did you ever stop to think maybe it is not the class that is overpowered, it is the player's behind it? the players killing you with the NB will likely do the same with any other class.
Yeah, it isn't the class per se, but the overall build, skills, gear, etc., as well as the player. For instance, my NB main is far from fitting the image being suggested here. There's a lot more to creating an awesomely-overpowered, "please nerf this to the ground" character than simply picking the class.Edited by SeaGtGruff on February 3, 2024 9:32PMI've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!0 -
Galeriano✭✭✭✭✭
✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »What the heck. We already did this and it is too strong, and this version is even stronger than it was before. This is absolutely bonkers.
Nightblade desperately needs nerfs to reign it in in PVP not buffs. This is a unique, unnamed, 20% damage buff, 30% really because it can now be stacked with Major Breserk, on a class that is already overpowered to the point of being able to do uncounterable one-shots. Are we even playing the same game ZOS?! Revert this.
Not to mention you're continuing to buff it's access to Minor Expedition, to make it miles better than Sorc, which is patently unfair which still needs the skill to be cast to get Minor Expedition. Stop this, it's crazy.
Uncounterable oneshots??? What are you talking about??? Currently NB is second worst class in PVP due to it's lack of burst potential, NB doesn't have a single burst ability like warden, sorc, DK, templar and necro does, the only way to play NB is to run full proc build, you will not have enough damage to kill a good player otherwise. Warden's combo deals up to 30k damage while NB doesn't even have a burst combo whatsoever... Good players just always dodge bows after incap and that's it, there is nothing you can do as NB. I'm ready to give 100 million gold to anyone pointing that NB is good if you will kill my warden as NB, and it's not because I have billionds of gold, I just know that there is no such player who will actually do this because NB is DEAD in pvp
One simple question.
If nightblade is "seconds worst class in PvP" and "DEAD in PvP" than why it's the most popular class in PvP atm?Edited by Galeriano on February 4, 2024 1:42AM6 -
FoJul✭✭✭✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »What the heck. We already did this and it is too strong, and this version is even stronger than it was before. This is absolutely bonkers.
Nightblade desperately needs nerfs to reign it in in PVP not buffs. This is a unique, unnamed, 20% damage buff, 30% really because it can now be stacked with Major Breserk, on a class that is already overpowered to the point of being able to do uncounterable one-shots. Are we even playing the same game ZOS?! Revert this.
Not to mention you're continuing to buff it's access to Minor Expedition, to make it miles better than Sorc, which is patently unfair which still needs the skill to be cast to get Minor Expedition. Stop this, it's crazy.
Uncounterable oneshots??? What are you talking about??? Currently NB is second worst class in PVP due to it's lack of burst potential, NB doesn't have a single burst ability like warden, sorc, DK, templar and necro does, the only way to play NB is to run full proc build, you will not have enough damage to kill a good player otherwise. Warden's combo deals up to 30k damage while NB doesn't even have a burst combo whatsoever... Good players just always dodge bows after incap and that's it, there is nothing you can do as NB. I'm ready to give 100 million gold to anyone pointing that NB is good if you will kill my warden as NB, and it's not because I have billionds of gold, I just know that there is no such player who will actually do this because NB is DEAD in pvp
One simple question.
If nightblade is "seconds worst class in PvP" and "DEAD in PvP" than why it's the most popular class in PvP atm?
Not here to clown, but mainly because of cloak. A lot of Openworld builds are gankers. Gankers have been around since the game has came out, and probably will never change.
Ppl would rather hop in stealth and 2 tap someone and stealth away again. No its not going to work everytime, but there is enough low tier players in Cyrodil to have fun with it.
Remember, in almost all Online games, there is more casual gamers than PvP sweats.2 -
Galeriano✭✭✭✭✭
✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »What the heck. We already did this and it is too strong, and this version is even stronger than it was before. This is absolutely bonkers.
Nightblade desperately needs nerfs to reign it in in PVP not buffs. This is a unique, unnamed, 20% damage buff, 30% really because it can now be stacked with Major Breserk, on a class that is already overpowered to the point of being able to do uncounterable one-shots. Are we even playing the same game ZOS?! Revert this.
Not to mention you're continuing to buff it's access to Minor Expedition, to make it miles better than Sorc, which is patently unfair which still needs the skill to be cast to get Minor Expedition. Stop this, it's crazy.
Uncounterable oneshots??? What are you talking about??? Currently NB is second worst class in PVP due to it's lack of burst potential, NB doesn't have a single burst ability like warden, sorc, DK, templar and necro does, the only way to play NB is to run full proc build, you will not have enough damage to kill a good player otherwise. Warden's combo deals up to 30k damage while NB doesn't even have a burst combo whatsoever... Good players just always dodge bows after incap and that's it, there is nothing you can do as NB. I'm ready to give 100 million gold to anyone pointing that NB is good if you will kill my warden as NB, and it's not because I have billionds of gold, I just know that there is no such player who will actually do this because NB is DEAD in pvp
One simple question.
If nightblade is "seconds worst class in PvP" and "DEAD in PvP" than why it's the most popular class in PvP atm?
Not here to clown, but mainly because of cloak. A lot of Openworld builds are gankers. Gankers have been around since the game has came out, and probably will never change.
Ppl would rather hop in stealth and 2 tap someone and stealth away again. No its not going to work everytime, but there is enough low tier players in Cyrodil to have fun with it.
Remember, in almost all Online games, there is more casual gamers than PvP sweats.
To be honest that really didn't answer my question.
Like I get what You're saying but it does not answer the question I asked in regards to very specific claims about nightblades supposedly extremly weak condition in PvP.Edited by Galeriano on February 4, 2024 3:09AM3 -
FoJul✭✭✭✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »What the heck. We already did this and it is too strong, and this version is even stronger than it was before. This is absolutely bonkers.
Nightblade desperately needs nerfs to reign it in in PVP not buffs. This is a unique, unnamed, 20% damage buff, 30% really because it can now be stacked with Major Breserk, on a class that is already overpowered to the point of being able to do uncounterable one-shots. Are we even playing the same game ZOS?! Revert this.
Not to mention you're continuing to buff it's access to Minor Expedition, to make it miles better than Sorc, which is patently unfair which still needs the skill to be cast to get Minor Expedition. Stop this, it's crazy.
Uncounterable oneshots??? What are you talking about??? Currently NB is second worst class in PVP due to it's lack of burst potential, NB doesn't have a single burst ability like warden, sorc, DK, templar and necro does, the only way to play NB is to run full proc build, you will not have enough damage to kill a good player otherwise. Warden's combo deals up to 30k damage while NB doesn't even have a burst combo whatsoever... Good players just always dodge bows after incap and that's it, there is nothing you can do as NB. I'm ready to give 100 million gold to anyone pointing that NB is good if you will kill my warden as NB, and it's not because I have billionds of gold, I just know that there is no such player who will actually do this because NB is DEAD in pvp
One simple question.
If nightblade is "seconds worst class in PvP" and "DEAD in PvP" than why it's the most popular class in PvP atm?
Not here to clown, but mainly because of cloak. A lot of Openworld builds are gankers. Gankers have been around since the game has came out, and probably will never change.
Ppl would rather hop in stealth and 2 tap someone and stealth away again. No its not going to work everytime, but there is enough low tier players in Cyrodil to have fun with it.
Remember, in almost all Online games, there is more casual gamers than PvP sweats.
To be honest that really didn't answer my question.
Like I get what You're saying but it does not answer the question I asked in regards to very specific claims about nightblades supposedly extremly weak condition in PvP.
Your question was why is nightblade the most popular class, even tho ppl are saying its bad?
Nightblade has bow/incap. Yes alchimiste is right, the skilled person behind the class needs to switch it up and make it work.
Doesn't change the fact that nightblade almost has no pressure. Nightblade also, doesnt have no way of timing any 2 burst abilities together. (unless you wanna count the bomber combo).
Unlike almost all other classes, where you can time 2 or 3 abilities at once. While having constant pressure up. The easiest way to kill ppl is Incap/bow from stealth cause 7 times out of 10, the person you hit isn't expecting it.
To sum it all up and answer your question at the same time, you have to open up and see both sides. Compared to other classes, nightblade is the only playstyle, that can kill very quickly, and get away. Which is almost the whole purpose of OW.
EDIT: I had this in my head but didnt type it oops. Anyways, on the opposite sides of things, some brawlers or even other playstyles (me as rangeblade) Literally can't even kill noob arcanist/dk's. In some ways Nightblade is so bad, and in other ways its good. Brawler nightblade is decent, but I wouldn't personally put it above Arc/DK/ or warden.
ESO's competitor has a open world mode, and the stealth class is also the best spec/most popular in that game. It just makes sense.Edited by FoJul on February 4, 2024 4:20AM3 -
Galeriano✭✭✭✭✭
✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »What the heck. We already did this and it is too strong, and this version is even stronger than it was before. This is absolutely bonkers.
Nightblade desperately needs nerfs to reign it in in PVP not buffs. This is a unique, unnamed, 20% damage buff, 30% really because it can now be stacked with Major Breserk, on a class that is already overpowered to the point of being able to do uncounterable one-shots. Are we even playing the same game ZOS?! Revert this.
Not to mention you're continuing to buff it's access to Minor Expedition, to make it miles better than Sorc, which is patently unfair which still needs the skill to be cast to get Minor Expedition. Stop this, it's crazy.
Uncounterable oneshots??? What are you talking about??? Currently NB is second worst class in PVP due to it's lack of burst potential, NB doesn't have a single burst ability like warden, sorc, DK, templar and necro does, the only way to play NB is to run full proc build, you will not have enough damage to kill a good player otherwise. Warden's combo deals up to 30k damage while NB doesn't even have a burst combo whatsoever... Good players just always dodge bows after incap and that's it, there is nothing you can do as NB. I'm ready to give 100 million gold to anyone pointing that NB is good if you will kill my warden as NB, and it's not because I have billionds of gold, I just know that there is no such player who will actually do this because NB is DEAD in pvp
One simple question.
If nightblade is "seconds worst class in PvP" and "DEAD in PvP" than why it's the most popular class in PvP atm?
Not here to clown, but mainly because of cloak. A lot of Openworld builds are gankers. Gankers have been around since the game has came out, and probably will never change.
Ppl would rather hop in stealth and 2 tap someone and stealth away again. No its not going to work everytime, but there is enough low tier players in Cyrodil to have fun with it.
Remember, in almost all Online games, there is more casual gamers than PvP sweats.
To be honest that really didn't answer my question.
Like I get what You're saying but it does not answer the question I asked in regards to very specific claims about nightblades supposedly extremly weak condition in PvP.
Your question was why is nightblade the most popular class, even tho ppl are saying its bad?
Nightblade has bow/incap. Yes alchimiste is right, the skilled person behind the class needs to switch it up and make it work.
Doesn't change the fact that nightblade almost has no pressure. Nightblade also, doesnt have no way of timing any 2 burst abilities together. (unless you wanna count the bomber combo).
Unlike almost all other classes, where you can time 2 or 3 abilities at once. While having constant pressure up. The easiest way to kill ppl is Incap/bow from stealth cause 7 times out of 10, the person you hit isn't expecting it.
To sum it all up and answer your question at the same time, you have to open up and see both sides. Compared to other classes, nightblade is the only playstyle, that can kill very quickly, and get away. Which is almost the whole purpose of OW.
EDIT: I had this in my head but didnt type it oops. Anyways, on the opposite sides of things, some brawlers or even other playstyles (me as rangeblade) Literally can't even kill noob arcanist/dk's. In some ways Nightblade is so bad, and in other ways its good. Brawler nightblade is decent, but I wouldn't personally put it above Arc/DK/ or warden.
ESO's competitor has a open world mode, and the stealth class is also the best spec/most popular in that game. It just makes sense.
This post still doesn't contain clear answer to my question. I'll rephrase it than. If nightblade is so underperforming as suggested than what makes it attractive enough or maybe strong enough for it to be so popular? Are all nb players just collectively a masochists that want to play so underperforming class or is there a different reason for its overwhelming popularity?Edited by Galeriano on February 7, 2024 8:45PM4 -
Vaqual✭✭✭✭✭How did Fojul's answer not answer your question?
Besides that:
-invis
-coolest look
-edgy dark guy
-blood magic vampire guy
-coolest look
-ezio auditore
-best looking class
-dracula man
-light saber sith lord
It is easy to be popular, if the competition looks like wardens, who summon mushrooms and bedbugs. Which class do you think exerts more pull on 15 year olds (biologically and/or mentally).1 -
SIow✭✭✭Alchimiste1 wrote: »Chubarov_S wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »@Chubarov_S
are you going to put 100M gold on the line ? if so I can install pts, and we can fight there because Im PC/NA
I don't need to bet 100 million gold to prove it
You can just come to your dueling spot and show a video of how you kill everyone in duels
lmao, nah
put 100M on the line and I fight you. I'm not trying to waste my time
I don't even know why you are so fixated on these duels. It doesn't prove anything. Nb is great as a whole in pvp. I wouldn't even entertain the idea that me winning a duel against anyone proves any type of point about nb. I'm only doing so because its free gold if 100M is on the line. It's like you purposely ignore how good nb is in all other aspects of pvp. Its not even bad at dueling.
No reply to this? I feel like he’s dodging alchemiste3 -
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✭How did Fojul's answer not answer your question?
Besides that:
-invis
-coolest look
-edgy dark guy
-blood magic vampire guy
-coolest look
-ezio auditore
-best looking class
-dracula man
-light saber sith lord
It is easy to be popular, if the competition looks like wardens, who summon mushrooms and bedbugs. Which class do you think exerts more pull on 15 year olds (biologically and/or mentally).
All things You mentioned are RP reasons and I can hardly belive that certain setup is the most popular in PvP purely because of that. Yeah some people will definietly pick it up due to pure looks but let's be honest it won't be overwhelming majority especially if class is "second worst class in PvP" and "DEAD in PvP" like someone earlier was suggesting. Reasons mentioned by You existed since game release and class wasn't overflowing PvP in a numbers we see today so You also did not answer my question.Edited by Galeriano on February 8, 2024 2:49PM3 -
acastanza_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »acastanza_ESO wrote: »TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »Did you ever stop to think maybe it is not the class that is overpowered, it is the player's behind it? the players killing you with the NB will likely do the same with any other class.
It isn't. It is absolutely NB's overloaded skills. Literally no other class has the kind of burst NB has access to, which this is a massive buff to. This isn't ambiguous.
Have you looked at DK and Arcanist skills lately and you assume NB skills are loaded? NBs no longer have class based access to Major Berserk, that is more then a fair trade off.
An unnamed 20% damage buff is not "fair" on this or any planet. Come on.
It's only a buff to one short ranged Skill. Its not an Across the board buff like Major Berserk so chill people. It currently sucks as it is and all of you DK and ARC can breath a little easier. It can only proc from sneak or invisibility both of which YOU CAN NOT use in combat in any way useful for this buff to work in any capacity other then a "SNEAK ATTCK". Which is at the START of combat not the thick of it. The speed condition was taken out. And NB do have a class access to MB it's just is not used much as the CW. Which I might add was an Idea that the Devs wanted to try to help with the over whelming quadruple nerf they gave the class 3 years ago. It sucked too. Also why is there so much complaining about a BURST DAMAGE class doing exactly that? And no I have met and left many many NB players that sucked in PVP with the class but will wreck you with another. So that just sounds like complaining that I am not a gamer GOD WITH EVERY CLASS then they need to admit the class has way to expensive skills to use with the new HYBREAD mech. So if you get gynked, know you had the honor of dying at a more exp players hand. If they are a Jackass about it. Hone your skills and hunt them down in game and punish them for the lack of gaming etiquette. If the NB is forced to use ONLY physical weapons but need to equip a butt load of light armor to get CC and Pen. Is the issue. So lower the Cost or have a passive that does it.
Example. Catalyst would do with a upgrade. How about they add a 5% magika skill cost reduction for having med armor on when you take a potion. That way they can fix this syphon attacks issue they got going on. But please people stop with Hate complaining. There will ALWAYS be a one shot killer class in every game people
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✭✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »What the heck. We already did this and it is too strong, and this version is even stronger than it was before. This is absolutely bonkers.
Nightblade desperately needs nerfs to reign it in in PVP not buffs. This is a unique, unnamed, 20% damage buff, 30% really because it can now be stacked with Major Breserk, on a class that is already overpowered to the point of being able to do uncounterable one-shots. Are we even playing the same game ZOS?! Revert this.
Not to mention you're continuing to buff it's access to Minor Expedition, to make it miles better than Sorc, which is patently unfair which still needs the skill to be cast to get Minor Expedition. Stop this, it's crazy.
Uncounterable oneshots??? What are you talking about??? Currently NB is second worst class in PVP due to it's lack of burst potential, NB doesn't have a single burst ability like warden, sorc, DK, templar and necro does, the only way to play NB is to run full proc build, you will not have enough damage to kill a good player otherwise. Warden's combo deals up to 30k damage while NB doesn't even have a burst combo whatsoever... Good players just always dodge bows after incap and that's it, there is nothing you can do as NB. I'm ready to give 100 million gold to anyone pointing that NB is good if you will kill my warden as NB, and it's not because I have billionds of gold, I just know that there is no such player who will actually do this because NB is DEAD in pvp
One simple question.
If nightblade is "seconds worst class in PvP" and "DEAD in PvP" than why it's the most popular class in PvP atm?
Not here to clown, but mainly because of cloak. A lot of Openworld builds are gankers. Gankers have been around since the game has came out, and probably will never change.
Ppl would rather hop in stealth and 2 tap someone and stealth away again. No its not going to work everytime, but there is enough low tier players in Cyrodil to have fun with it.
Remember, in almost all Online games, there is more casual gamers than PvP sweats.
To be honest that really didn't answer my question.
Like I get what You're saying but it does not answer the question I asked in regards to very specific claims about nightblades supposedly extremly weak condition in PvP.
Your question was why is nightblade the most popular class, even tho ppl are saying its bad?
Nightblade has bow/incap. Yes alchimiste is right, the skilled person behind the class needs to switch it up and make it work.
Doesn't change the fact that nightblade almost has no pressure. Nightblade also, doesnt have no way of timing any 2 burst abilities together. (unless you wanna count the bomber combo).
Unlike almost all other classes, where you can time 2 or 3 abilities at once. While having constant pressure up. The easiest way to kill ppl is Incap/bow from stealth cause 7 times out of 10, the person you hit isn't expecting it.
You don't need "pressure". I get all of the "pressure" I need to be effective with LA/Force Pulse -> Merciless. With the right sets, LA/FP plus all the status effects are doing a massive amount of damage per second. Merciless is the burst/execute.
Unlike classes that have to "time" 2-3 abilities to get burst, NB is very GCD efficient. Merciless hits as hard as Haunting Curse/Frags proc combined and I get to time" when I use i. I'm not stuck with an arbitrary 3.5s clock.Edited by katorga on February 8, 2024 7:01PM6 -
Duke_Falcon✭✭✭acastanza_ESO wrote: »What the heck. We already did this and it is too strong, and this version is even stronger than it was before. This is absolutely bonkers.
Nightblade desperately needs nerfs to reign it in in PVP not buffs. This is a unique, unnamed, 20% damage buff, 30% really because it can now be stacked with Major Breserk, on a class that is already overpowered to the point of being able to do uncounterable one-shots. Are we even playing the same game ZOS?! Revert this.
Not to mention you're continuing to buff it's access to Minor Expedition, to make it miles better than Sorc, which is patently unfair which still needs the skill to be cast to get Minor Expedition. Stop this, it's crazy.
Holy hell, yes 100% agree, stop buffing Night blade.3 -
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