Stop Giving Nightblade Unnamed Damage Buffs

Lags · January 30

Pepegrillos wrote: »

The siphon dev comment is one of the best comedy acts I've ever seen.

sometimes i read those and just cannot fathom how they typed it out, read it, and thought "ya this looks good". When all is said and done they just want nightblades to do as much damage as possible with as little effort as possible, it seems. I guess light attacking is hard.

Drako_Ei · January 30

They somehow managed to propose a change that makes nightblades OP in pvp while gutting them in pve even more.

I'm surprised, I have to give it to Zeni, I never thoguht pve nightblade could be in a worse state.

If nightblade rotation is harder than arcanist, it should deal more damage than arcanist.

Prionyx · January 30

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

What the heck. We already did this and it is too strong, and this version is even stronger than it was before. This is absolutely bonkers.
Nightblade desperately needs nerfs to reign it in in PVP not buffs. This is a unique, unnamed, 20% damage buff, 30% really because it can now be stacked with Major Breserk, on a class that is already overpowered to the point of being able to do uncounterable one-shots. Are we even playing the same game ZOS?! Revert this.

Not to mention you're continuing to buff it's access to Minor Expedition, to make it miles better than Sorc, which is patently unfair which still needs the skill to be cast to get Minor Expedition. Stop this, it's crazy.

Uncounterable oneshots??? What are you talking about??? Currently NB is second worst class in PVP due to it's lack of burst potential, NB doesn't have a single burst ability like warden, sorc, DK, templar and necro does, the only way to play NB is to run full proc build, you will not have enough damage to kill a good player otherwise. Warden's combo deals up to 30k damage while NB doesn't even have a burst combo whatsoever... Good players just always dodge bows after incap and that's it, there is nothing you can do as NB. I'm ready to give 100 million gold to anyone pointing that NB is good if you will kill my warden as NB, and it's not because I have billionds of gold, I just know that there is no such player who will actually do this because NB is DEAD in pvp

Chubarov_S · January 30

lol
All NB are divided into two types:
Those players whom you instantly kill without even having time to understand what kind of class they are and those players who were able to completely master this class over the years of the game.
And if you are complaining about them, then apparently you just have a very low rating, because to find out the real position of NB in PVP - come to Bergama for a duel spot and you will find out that NB is in the lowest position relative to other classes and there are literally no more than ten people on the entire server who play on it for many thousands of hours and who can kill other high rated classes

Jman100582 · January 30

I personally don’t understand these arguments about how this is a nerf. Or that nb is a bad class. I feel those that say nb is in a bad spot are most likely just all gankers, and yeah ganking probably is in a bad spot with all the 40k hp builds running around. But be real, nb is strong when played right/well

It already has the highest single target burst. On live I still get hit by 7-9k concealed weapons, spec bow literally hits for 8-10k NON CRIT. Does it take a bit of iq to actually land it? Yes. And it should take skill to land it, because it’s the hardest non-ultimate ability in pvp

Major berserk is easily sourced from one of the most popular mythics for pvp. Don’t act like it’s hard to get/acquire anymore. The snare is negligible on a class like nb that inherently has good movespeed. You aren’t taking a net loss if you properly adapt your build for changes

The main issue is that concealed weapon is already arguably the best spammable in pvp (besides maybe molten whip, what else can you really say is better?) and slapping 20% more damage onto it is just so out of touch with pvp players. If it goes live with 20% increased damage, it will straight up hit as hard as an ultimate. Remember when everybody was complaining about jab spam and jabs hitting for 8-10k? This will literally be the case with nb. It’s not even a remotely healthy change. Nbs do not need more front-loaded burst damage

StarOfElyon · January 30

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Nightblades are not getting a new unnamed 20% damage buff, they are are losing Major Berserk and Concealed Weapon is getting a buff to its own damage only.

Concealed Weapon (morph):

This morph now deals 10% increased damage at all times and deals an additional 10% damage for 15 seconds after leaving Stealth or Invisibility, rather than granting Major Berserk.

The "additional 10% damage" is phrased as for "this morph", not "you deal 10% more damage". The "10% increased damage" is also only for the skill.

So the base damage of Concealed Weapon is going up, and it gets a conditional buff for itself only. That's how it's written, at least.

So now they can add major berserk on top of that and hit hard-er AF out of cloak.

Foxtrot39 · January 30

StarOfElyon wrote: »

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Nightblades are not getting a new unnamed 20% damage buff, they are are losing Major Berserk and Concealed Weapon is getting a buff to its own damage only.

Concealed Weapon (morph):

This morph now deals 10% increased damage at all times and deals an additional 10% damage for 15 seconds after leaving Stealth or Invisibility, rather than granting Major Berserk.

The "additional 10% damage" is phrased as for "this morph", not "you deal 10% more damage". The "10% increased damage" is also only for the skill.

So the base damage of Concealed Weapon is going up, and it gets a conditional buff for itself only. That's how it's written, at least.

So now they can add major berserk on top of that and hit hard-er AF out of cloak.

NB lost major berserk with this change, unless you're somehow able to get the on kill berserk before killing your target

Poss · January 30

As someone who often plays NB in pvp I was actually shocked by the new changes. NB is already arguably the strongest class in pvp right now. I get that it’s underperforming in pve and could do with some love there but please think about what your proposed changes will have on the balance of pvp

katorga · January 30

Soul Harvest back bar, soul tether front bar, and I will be full ultimate after each bomb.

That is totally broken.

Passive 1800 hps from a back bar skill .

That is totally broken.

JustLovely · January 30

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Did you ever stop to think maybe it is not the class that is overpowered, it is the player's behind it? the players killing you with the NB will likely do the same with any other class.

Not true. People are switching to NB because it's so OP, and ZOS plans to make NB even more OP if the PTS changes stand.

Anti_Virus · January 30

Returning player here.

Good to know that this game still has a nightblade bias. Time to leave this game for good now.

katorga · January 30

Chubarov_S wrote: »

lol
All NB are divided into two types:
Those players whom you instantly kill without even having time to understand what kind of class they are and those players who were able to completely master this class over the years of the game.
And if you are complaining about them, then apparently you just have a very low rating, because to find out the real position of NB in PVP - come to Bergama for a duel spot and you will find out that NB is in the lowest position relative to other classes and there are literally no more than ten people on the entire server who play on it for many thousands of hours and who can kill other high rated classes

Who takes a dueling build into BGs? Who takes one into Cyro. It is so niche that you build specifically to duel (on top of the arbitrary rules and limits they place in dueling tournaments).

NB is superlative in BGs and Openworld pvp.

Best or 2nd best bomb class (imo DK is better)

Best ganking class (really the only ganking class)

Best solo pvp class.

Best ranged pvp class.

Top three melee pvp class.

The only pvp use case I think NB is not in the top three is ball group class, but I could be wrong, there seems to be a lot of them in ball groups too.

acastanza_ESO · January 30

katorga wrote: »

Chubarov_S wrote: »

lol
All NB are divided into two types:
Those players whom you instantly kill without even having time to understand what kind of class they are and those players who were able to completely master this class over the years of the game.
And if you are complaining about them, then apparently you just have a very low rating, because to find out the real position of NB in PVP - come to Bergama for a duel spot and you will find out that NB is in the lowest position relative to other classes and there are literally no more than ten people on the entire server who play on it for many thousands of hours and who can kill other high rated classes

Who takes a dueling build into BGs? Who takes one into Cyro. It is so niche that you build specifically to duel (on top of the arbitrary rules and limits they place in dueling tournaments).

NB is superlative in BGs and Openworld pvp.

Best or 2nd best bomb class (imo DK is better)

Best ganking class (really the only ganking class)

Best solo pvp class.

Best ranged pvp class.

Top three melee pvp class.

The only pvp use case I think NB is not in the top three is ball group class, but I could be wrong, there seems to be a lot of them in ball groups too.

NB is literally the de-facto raid lead class for Ballgroups, and half(ish) the healer roles.

Baseline comp is, more or less; 2 Sorc healers, 2 NB healers, 1 Templar healer, 1 Arcanist support, 3 Warden DDs, 1 DK supportDD, 1 NB Raid Lead/pull.
Groups will of course deviate from this depending on what their guilds are comfortable with, but a NB raid lead is absolutely the optimal thing to run.

SandandStars · January 31

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Did you ever stop to think maybe it is not the class that is overpowered, it is the player's behind it? the players killing you with the NB will likely do the same with any other class.

This is funny.

silver1surfer69 · January 31

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Did you ever stop to think maybe it is not the class that is overpowered, it is the player's behind it? the players killing you with the NB will likely do the same with any other class.

I strongly disagree here! I would say ppl who can keep up with NBs in pvp on other classes would even be stronger on NBs.

Galeriano · January 31

Chubarov_S wrote: »

lol
All NB are divided into two types:
Those players whom you instantly kill without even having time to understand what kind of class they are and those players who were able to completely master this class over the years of the game.
And if you are complaining about them, then apparently you just have a very low rating, because to find out the real position of NB in PVP - come to Bergama for a duel spot and you will find out that NB is in the lowest position relative to other classes and there are literally no more than ten people on the entire server who play on it for many thousands of hours and who can kill other high rated classes

It's always the duel argument. What if I told You that duel enviroment does not transfer in any shape or form into real PvP. There is a massive difference between a uninterrupted 1v1 (that starts when both parties agree on it, is happening in closed flat space with a duel setup) and PvP in Cyro, IC and BGs. These things are not remotely comparable to one another. In duel tournaments among many restrictions, one is that nightblades are banned from using cloak which already tells something.

Tiphis · January 31

I mean nb has one of the best toolkits in the game bar none, sure in pure open field tankiness they aren't the best but a decent nb with good los is borderline impossible to kill. And of course has the best burst damage in the game, period.

Lags · January 31

Prionyx wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

What the heck. We already did this and it is too strong, and this version is even stronger than it was before. This is absolutely bonkers.
Nightblade desperately needs nerfs to reign it in in PVP not buffs. This is a unique, unnamed, 20% damage buff, 30% really because it can now be stacked with Major Breserk, on a class that is already overpowered to the point of being able to do uncounterable one-shots. Are we even playing the same game ZOS?! Revert this.

Not to mention you're continuing to buff it's access to Minor Expedition, to make it miles better than Sorc, which is patently unfair which still needs the skill to be cast to get Minor Expedition. Stop this, it's crazy.

Uncounterable oneshots??? What are you talking about??? Currently NB is second worst class in PVP due to it's lack of burst potential, NB doesn't have a single burst ability like warden, sorc, DK, templar and necro does, the only way to play NB is to run full proc build, you will not have enough damage to kill a good player otherwise. Warden's combo deals up to 30k damage while NB doesn't even have a burst combo whatsoever... Good players just always dodge bows after incap and that's it, there is nothing you can do as NB. I'm ready to give 100 million gold to anyone pointing that NB is good if you will kill my warden as NB, and it's not because I have billionds of gold, I just know that there is no such player who will actually do this because NB is DEAD in pvp

[Snip]. But ill kill your warden for you, unless you're on some super toxic tank build or something. And even then, still probably kill it. The class hits incredibly hard. Tell me what other class will hit someone with 30k damage in one hit like bow does? Sure thats on very squishy people, but still it hits incredibly hard. Harder than most ultimates.

It has too much in its kit, and too much damage. You say nightblade is dead in pvp? Well apparently the hundreds of nightblades i come across every day disagree with you as well. Many snipers, many gankers, many hybrid nbs, many stamblades, not really range magblades anymore, sometimes others. If nb needs a buff for anything buff swallow soul. Its probably the most played class in pvp, and there is a reason for that, and it is by design. Just look around you.

[Edited for baiting/bashing]

Waillyam23 · January 31

Foxtrot39 wrote: »

As for the NB's Shadow ulti, I agree. It is the only thing in the entire NB tool kit that should be addressed. The rest it fine and I really understand that some one out there was tasked with it and put a lot of effort into it.... but it kinda feels like a wasted dev time that could have been used better.

Totally agree with you, this ultimate is far from weak on paper (Major Protection, invisibility synergy that heals (how many ppl can activate the synergy I don't know)), but on application you don't feel the impact.

Some concepts to dream on:

MORPH 1:
Surround yourself in a Shadow Aura as it slowly consumes ultimates (it can move with you). You and allies in the Aura become enshrouded (work like normal stealth, except you don't have to crouch).
Allies in the aura can activate the synergy Hidden Refresh, granting them invisibility and healing for 4 seconds and major protection for 10 seconds.

This version has PVP in mind. Enemies will be able to see the aura of shadow, but not the people inside until engaging combat.

All the combat power was shifted to the synergy.

MORPH 2:
Conjure the Shadow Realm at a near location (range 2m, radius 6m) for 15 seconds. Enemies in the Realm take damage every second, scaling with the effective healing done in the Realm.
You and allies in the aura can activate the synergy Hidden Refresh, granting them invisibility and healing for 4 seconds and major protection in the Realm.

This version has PVE in mind, it ressembles veil of blades a lot, with a small twist on the damage portion scaling with effective healing (overheal won't work) that embraces the twisting reality fantasy of shadow magic.

All the combat power given to the group was shifted in the synergy.

The reason for the range and radius is to put the area of effect on par with other ultimates such as the Standard of DK, the Forest of Warden, the Negate of Sorc, etc. Currently not even half the range can be consistently used in PVE because the zone in centered on you, and on top of that 5m radius is ridiculous .

Prionyx · February 1

Lags wrote: »

Prionyx wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

What the heck. We already did this and it is too strong, and this version is even stronger than it was before. This is absolutely bonkers.
Nightblade desperately needs nerfs to reign it in in PVP not buffs. This is a unique, unnamed, 20% damage buff, 30% really because it can now be stacked with Major Breserk, on a class that is already overpowered to the point of being able to do uncounterable one-shots. Are we even playing the same game ZOS?! Revert this.

Not to mention you're continuing to buff it's access to Minor Expedition, to make it miles better than Sorc, which is patently unfair which still needs the skill to be cast to get Minor Expedition. Stop this, it's crazy.

Uncounterable oneshots??? What are you talking about??? Currently NB is second worst class in PVP due to it's lack of burst potential, NB doesn't have a single burst ability like warden, sorc, DK, templar and necro does, the only way to play NB is to run full proc build, you will not have enough damage to kill a good player otherwise. Warden's combo deals up to 30k damage while NB doesn't even have a burst combo whatsoever... Good players just always dodge bows after incap and that's it, there is nothing you can do as NB. I'm ready to give 100 million gold to anyone pointing that NB is good if you will kill my warden as NB, and it's not because I have billionds of gold, I just know that there is no such player who will actually do this because NB is DEAD in pvp

[Snip]. But ill kill your warden for you, unless you're on some super toxic tank build or something. And even then, still probably kill it. The class hits incredibly hard. Tell me what other class will hit someone with 30k damage in one hit like bow does? Sure thats on very squishy people, but still it hits incredibly hard. Harder than most ultimates.

It has too much in its kit, and too much damage. You say nightblade is dead in pvp? Well apparently the hundreds of nightblades i come across every day disagree with you as well. Many snipers, many gankers, many hybrid nbs, many stamblades, not really range magblades anymore, sometimes others. If nb needs a buff for anything buff swallow soul. Its probably the most played class in pvp, and there is a reason for that, and it is by design. Just look around you.

[Snip]

Also you claim NB to hit 30k bows which is impossible to do against a good player. You will not land bow higher than 15k while warden has 30k damage combo...

[Edited quote/baiting]

FoJul · February 1

It seems, Zos devs have ability to trach excel sheets focused on PvE, and can even see that nightblade is doing 10% less damage on certain boss or even parse dummies.

Somehow they can't see that people are already hitting 9-13k concealed weapons in pvp from stealth. Somehow they don't see that with just one button, 6k dps from a DK can be reduced to 0. A delayed burst combo such as meteor stun burst ability can be almost completely avoided by just hitting 1 single ability.

Yes, certainly, nightblade needs yet ANOTHER buff to make them more playable, maybe we will see more nightblades in pvp.(sarcastic, not serious zos)

I had a dream.....

Prionyx · February 1

FoJul wrote: »

It seems, Zos devs have ability to trach excel sheets focused on PvE, and can even see that nightblade is doing 10% less damage on certain boss or even parse dummies.

Somehow they can't see that people are already hitting 9-13k concealed weapons in pvp from stealth. Somehow they don't see that with just one button, 6k dps from a DK can be reduced to 0. A delayed burst combo such as meteor stun burst ability can be almost completely avoided by just hitting 1 single ability.

Yes, certainly, nightblade needs yet ANOTHER buff to make them more playable, maybe we will see more nightblades in pvp.(sarcastic, not serious zos)

I had a dream.....

If you say that insane 6k DPS pressure or 40k HP acuity burst is worse than 8k spammable you clearly haven't played pvp enough... Players are not bots, players will block and out heal NB's damage because NB doesn't have any pressure or burst combo. Just to point out - wardens have same avg spammable numbers, but they also have huge burst

Lags · February 2

Prionyx wrote: »

Lags wrote: »

Prionyx wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

What the heck. We already did this and it is too strong, and this version is even stronger than it was before. This is absolutely bonkers.
Nightblade desperately needs nerfs to reign it in in PVP not buffs. This is a unique, unnamed, 20% damage buff, 30% really because it can now be stacked with Major Breserk, on a class that is already overpowered to the point of being able to do uncounterable one-shots. Are we even playing the same game ZOS?! Revert this.

Not to mention you're continuing to buff it's access to Minor Expedition, to make it miles better than Sorc, which is patently unfair which still needs the skill to be cast to get Minor Expedition. Stop this, it's crazy.

Uncounterable oneshots??? What are you talking about??? Currently NB is second worst class in PVP due to it's lack of burst potential, NB doesn't have a single burst ability like warden, sorc, DK, templar and necro does, the only way to play NB is to run full proc build, you will not have enough damage to kill a good player otherwise. Warden's combo deals up to 30k damage while NB doesn't even have a burst combo whatsoever... Good players just always dodge bows after incap and that's it, there is nothing you can do as NB. I'm ready to give 100 million gold to anyone pointing that NB is good if you will kill my warden as NB, and it's not because I have billionds of gold, I just know that there is no such player who will actually do this because NB is DEAD in pvp

[Snip]. But ill kill your warden for you, unless you're on some super toxic tank build or something. And even then, still probably kill it. The class hits incredibly hard. Tell me what other class will hit someone with 30k damage in one hit like bow does? Sure thats on very squishy people, but still it hits incredibly hard. Harder than most ultimates.

It has too much in its kit, and too much damage. You say nightblade is dead in pvp? Well apparently the hundreds of nightblades i come across every day disagree with you as well. Many snipers, many gankers, many hybrid nbs, many stamblades, not really range magblades anymore, sometimes others. If nb needs a buff for anything buff swallow soul. Its probably the most played class in pvp, and there is a reason for that, and it is by design. Just look around you.

[Snip]

Also you claim NB to hit 30k bows which is impossible to do against a good player. You will not land bow higher than 15k while warden has 30k damage combo...

[Edited quote/baiting]

No, its not impossible. You just keep going in circles til it lands. Sure most wont, one eventually will. Yes it will not hit for 30k with a good player that knows to have crit resist, but it will still hit hard. And what combo is that, sub dawnbreaker? Is dawnbreaker a class skill? Or a guild ultimate? Bow is not an ultimate, its a skill. If you looked at the damage it does it may look like an ult, but its a skill. Sure incap boosts is by 20%, 30 next patch apparently. But it can do wild damage without incap.

On another note i thought zos wanted move away from throwing out random % buffs all over the place. Cant think of many places they give it when it comes to classes. So strange they give it to nightblades. Random unanmed % damage buffs. lol its too funny at this point. 20% here 10% there, and another 10% why not

katorga · February 2

Jman100582 wrote: »

I personally don’t understand these arguments about how this is a nerf. Or that nb is a bad class. I feel those that say nb is in a bad spot are most likely just all gankers, and yeah ganking probably is in a bad spot with all the 40k hp builds running around. But be real, nb is strong when played right/well

It already has the highest single target burst. On live I still get hit by 7-9k concealed weapons, spec bow literally hits for 8-10k NON CRIT. Does it take a bit of iq to actually land it? Yes. And it should take skill to land it, because it’s the hardest non-ultimate ability in pvp

My pvp build is really only feasible because Merciless hits so much harder than other skills and ultimates. And I find it no more difficult to land than any other projectile skill such as a Crystal Frags proc.

The skill i so strong that I can min-max my skill set down to just light attack spam (mythic that buffs LA by 900) and merciless. It works on 50% of targets in Cyro - literally 1 offensive damage skill on my bar and 1 ranged ultimate.

JustLovely wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Did you ever stop to think maybe it is not the class that is overpowered, it is the player's behind it? the players killing you with the NB will likely do the same with any other class.

Not true. People are switching to NB because it's so OP, and ZOS plans to make NB even more OP if the PTS changes stand.

Not just the class being OP but the class getting major buffs every patch.

If you are Joe Necro....how long can you continue to take it? They take the only good morph of Blastbones, which is not saying much, and make it cast at YOURSELF, for a garbage buff?

FoJul · February 2

Prionyx wrote: »

FoJul wrote: »

It seems, Zos devs have ability to trach excel sheets focused on PvE, and can even see that nightblade is doing 10% less damage on certain boss or even parse dummies.

Somehow they can't see that people are already hitting 9-13k concealed weapons in pvp from stealth. Somehow they don't see that with just one button, 6k dps from a DK can be reduced to 0. A delayed burst combo such as meteor stun burst ability can be almost completely avoided by just hitting 1 single ability.

Yes, certainly, nightblade needs yet ANOTHER buff to make them more playable, maybe we will see more nightblades in pvp.(sarcastic, not serious zos)

I had a dream.....

If you say that insane 6k DPS pressure or 40k HP acuity burst is worse than 8k spammable you clearly haven't played pvp enough... Players are not bots, players will block and out heal NB's damage because NB doesn't have any pressure or burst combo. Just to point out - wardens have same avg spammable numbers, but they also have huge burst

You somehow, completely ignored the point. Let me spell it out real quick. Nightblade is the only class that can Cloak and negate pretty much all pressure and all burst. No one said 6k dps was insane (Is above average) but good players can outlive this pressure several different ways. Nightblade only has to hit a button.

The comment about the Concealed damage, was me stating that the damage on concealed is already high enough. You should not be hitting 10k non crit concealed weapons. That's more damage in a spammable than at least 4 class burst abilities. Backlash and its morphs, Molten Whip, Shalks, and blastbones LOL.

Nightblade's do have a burst combo, and I'll use a phrase you like using "You haven't played enough PvP".

Off balance, medium weave, bow. 8.9 times out of 10 will land and/or kill your target.

When a nightblade can just spam 10k concealeds', you don't really need pressure 3 concealeds and a spec bow go BRRRRRRR!

Chubarov_S · February 2

Galeriano wrote: »

Chubarov_S wrote: »

lol
All NB are divided into two types:
Those players whom you instantly kill without even having time to understand what kind of class they are and those players who were able to completely master this class over the years of the game.
And if you are complaining about them, then apparently you just have a very low rating, because to find out the real position of NB in PVP - come to Bergama for a duel spot and you will find out that NB is in the lowest position relative to other classes and there are literally no more than ten people on the entire server who play on it for many thousands of hours and who can kill other high rated classes

It's always the duel argument. What if I told You that duel enviroment does not transfer in any shape or form into real PvP. There is a massive difference between a uninterrupted 1v1 (that starts when both parties agree on it, is happening in closed flat space with a duel setup) and PvP in Cyro, IC and BGs. These things are not remotely comparable to one another. In duel tournaments among many restrictions, one is that nightblades are banned from using cloak which already tells something.

In all the years of pvp, I have never encountered a ban on a cloak in tournaments and duels.
1v1 battles and the open world differ in builds, but we are talking about classes and NB are in a very bad position now.
You specifically have a problem not with NB, but with invisibility and dodges. And sudden death just infuriates you, but over the course of several years I was unexpectedly killed by NBs only 3 times, and much more often it was done by Wardens and now - Arcanists

Chubarov_S · February 2

katorga wrote: »

Jman100582 wrote: »

I personally don’t understand these arguments about how this is a nerf. Or that nb is a bad class. I feel those that say nb is in a bad spot are most likely just all gankers, and yeah ganking probably is in a bad spot with all the 40k hp builds running around. But be real, nb is strong when played right/well

It already has the highest single target burst. On live I still get hit by 7-9k concealed weapons, spec bow literally hits for 8-10k NON CRIT. Does it take a bit of iq to actually land it? Yes. And it should take skill to land it, because it’s the hardest non-ultimate ability in pvp

My pvp build is really only feasible because Merciless hits so much harder than other skills and ultimates. And I find it no more difficult to land than any other projectile skill such as a Crystal Frags proc.

The skill i so strong that I can min-max my skill set down to just light attack spam (mythic that buffs LA by 900) and merciless. It works on 50% of targets in Cyro - literally 1 offensive damage skill on my bar and 1 ranged ultimate.

JustLovely wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Did you ever stop to think maybe it is not the class that is overpowered, it is the player's behind it? the players killing you with the NB will likely do the same with any other class.

Not true. People are switching to NB because it's so OP, and ZOS plans to make NB even more OP if the PTS changes stand.

Not just the class being OP but the class getting major buffs every patch.

If you are Joe Necro....how long can you continue to take it? They take the only good morph of Blastbones, which is not saying much, and make it cast at YOURSELF, for a garbage buff?

NB bow deals 16461 damage (19753 under incap)
Incap deals 12877
Pink Sorcerer Crystal deals 14280
Curse deals 10391
Surge deals 8728 with each simple attack
Summoned weapon deals 12564
The sorcerer can deal damage: 2xSurge+Curse+Crystal+Summoned Weapon = 54691 in two seconds, every few seconds.
Nightblade can deal 32630 in the same two seconds (+2 light attacks+enchantment) once per minute

32630 vs 54691
What kind of burst damage are you talking about?
Despite the fact that 90% of good players dodge a bow and another 50% from an incap, even if you catch a player point-blank in an incap and shoot at him, he will free himself and make a dodge

And this is the situation with all classes, you can only kill weak players.

*All basic indicators are calculated in absolutely identical builds*

SIow · February 2

Prionyx wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

What the heck. We already did this and it is too strong, and this version is even stronger than it was before. This is absolutely bonkers.
Nightblade desperately needs nerfs to reign it in in PVP not buffs. This is a unique, unnamed, 20% damage buff, 30% really because it can now be stacked with Major Breserk, on a class that is already overpowered to the point of being able to do uncounterable one-shots. Are we even playing the same game ZOS?! Revert this.

Not to mention you're continuing to buff it's access to Minor Expedition, to make it miles better than Sorc, which is patently unfair which still needs the skill to be cast to get Minor Expedition. Stop this, it's crazy.

Uncounterable oneshots??? What are you talking about??? Currently NB is second worst class in PVP due to it's lack of burst potential, NB doesn't have a single burst ability like warden, sorc, DK, templar and necro does, the only way to play NB is to run full proc build, you will not have enough damage to kill a good player otherwise. Warden's combo deals up to 30k damage while NB doesn't even have a burst combo whatsoever... Good players just always dodge bows after incap and that's it, there is nothing you can do as NB. I'm ready to give 100 million gold to anyone pointing that NB is good if you will kill my warden as NB, and it's not because I have billionds of gold, I just know that there is no such player who will actually do this because NB is DEAD in pvp

Are you sure about the 100 mill? 😎

CrazyKitty · February 2

Prionyx wrote: »

FoJul wrote: »

It seems, Zos devs have ability to trach excel sheets focused on PvE, and can even see that nightblade is doing 10% less damage on certain boss or even parse dummies.

Somehow they can't see that people are already hitting 9-13k concealed weapons in pvp from stealth. Somehow they don't see that with just one button, 6k dps from a DK can be reduced to 0. A delayed burst combo such as meteor stun burst ability can be almost completely avoided by just hitting 1 single ability.

Yes, certainly, nightblade needs yet ANOTHER buff to make them more playable, maybe we will see more nightblades in pvp.(sarcastic, not serious zos)

I had a dream.....

If you say that insane 6k DPS pressure or 40k HP acuity burst is worse than 8k spammable you clearly haven't played pvp enough... Players are not bots, players will block and out heal NB's damage because NB doesn't have any pressure or burst combo. Just to point out - wardens have same avg spammable numbers, but they also have huge burst

Are we playing the same game? NB's have the strongest burst potential in game, both for heals and DPS.

Alchimiste1 · February 2

Prionyx wrote: »

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

What the heck. We already did this and it is too strong, and this version is even stronger than it was before. This is absolutely bonkers.
Nightblade desperately needs nerfs to reign it in in PVP not buffs. This is a unique, unnamed, 20% damage buff, 30% really because it can now be stacked with Major Breserk, on a class that is already overpowered to the point of being able to do uncounterable one-shots. Are we even playing the same game ZOS?! Revert this.

Not to mention you're continuing to buff it's access to Minor Expedition, to make it miles better than Sorc, which is patently unfair which still needs the skill to be cast to get Minor Expedition. Stop this, it's crazy.

Uncounterable oneshots??? What are you talking about??? Currently NB is second worst class in PVP due to it's lack of burst potential, NB doesn't have a single burst ability like warden, sorc, DK, templar and necro does, the only way to play NB is to run full proc build, you will not have enough damage to kill a good player otherwise. Warden's combo deals up to 30k damage while NB doesn't even have a burst combo whatsoever... Good players just always dodge bows after incap and that's it, there is nothing you can do as NB. I'm ready to give 100 million gold to anyone pointing that NB is good if you will kill my warden as NB, and it's not because I have billionds of gold, I just know that there is no such player who will actually do this because NB is DEAD in pvp

I accept your challenge. 100M on the line I'll be on NB and you on warden.

let me know when and where