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Floating hip flaps and croch flaps

r34lian
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Trying to go with all Altmer fashion but this floating hip flaps on Syrabanic chest ruins it.
I wish we had option to hide hip and croch flaps.
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Atleast they'd stop adding flaoting hip flaps in new motifs
Edited by r34lian on January 6, 2024 6:31AM
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  • ApoAlaia
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    I'm not sure how it works on the engine ESO uses so I could be wildly missing the mark here, however if this was the Creation engine which I am more familiar with that would involve:

    - Creating a new skeleton with further attach points (possibly more than one? not sure if bestial races and humanoid races share skeleton).

    Then

    - Splitting the mesh.
    - Editing the textures.
    - Assigning attach points to the newly created split meshes.
    - Rigging the meshes to the new skeleton.
    - Adjusting the meshes and textures to minimise clipping/tearing etc.

    For each and every single piece that has 'hip flaps' or 'crotch flaps'.

    Then

    - Developing the 'logic' (if is not built-in already) that allows showing/hiding these new meshes 'on the fly'.

    Obviously these are game developers, they may have tools, knowledge and expertise that makes the process far less time consuming and 'trial and error' based than when modding but still, seems like a humongous undertaking given the plethora of styles currently in the game.

    It would be nice don't get me wrong, I'd love it myself, but I just don't know how realistic a expectation it is.

    Edited by ApoAlaia on January 4, 2024 10:27AM
  • AcadianPaladin
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    I'm sure it would be a lot of work but, I think, well worth it, if everything that attaches around the waist (books, potion cases, scrolls, flappers for hips/crotch/butt) was placed on belts instead of chests. That would allow ever so much flexibility and at least one of the belts doesn't even show up, effectively giving us a 'hide belts' option. That way, if you actually like flappers, you could simply choose the appropriate belt. I'd rather have that feature than any of the new DLC/Chapters. . . .
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  • r34lian
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    I'm sure it would be a lot of work but, . . .

    Problem is despite complains from player they still keep adding in new motifs.

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  • IZZEFlameLash
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    r34lian wrote: »
    I'm sure it would be a lot of work but, . . .

    Problem is despite complains from player they still keep adding in new motifs.

    Because it 'looks cool' in concept art. But what we get is super poly discounted, just enough quality texture version of it. Just like how there's 0 cape on any hero costume outfits.
    Edited by IZZEFlameLash on January 4, 2024 4:20PM
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  • LunaFlora
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    yea i dream for the options to hide loincloths and tassets
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  • merpins
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    Okay, new thread old topic. I used to say, a long time ago, that this would most likely require a lot of work from the devs to remove the hip plates and crotch flaps from the game. For the plates, it's simple since they're not attached to the geometry of the clothing, but the flaps are so that would take a significant amount of time considering how many there were. I used to say that.

    Before the hide shoulders option existed as an option, there was a PTS a few years ago, sometime around Elsweyr... Where hide hip plates and flaps were an option. It was there for a week in the menu, not something we could interact with but we could see it, and then the next week, it was gone. No word from Zos about it, like it was a dream. So like the hide shoulder option, which existed in the game outside the reach of the players for nearly 10 years, these options also exist and it's baffling to me that they haven't released them yet.
    Edited by merpins on January 4, 2024 4:24PM
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    Shields "float" too, they don't contact the arm holding them.
  • Kendaric
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    While I don't generally mind the loincloth, I hate most tassets and would love to hide them. They look bad in most cases and are particularly horrible for the jerkin (cloth armor).
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    • gariondavey
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      merpins wrote: »
      Okay, new thread old topic. I used to say, a long time ago, that this would most likely require a lot of work from the devs to remove the hip plates and crotch flaps from the game. For the plates, it's simple since they're not attached to the geometry of the clothing, but the flaps are so that would take a significant amount of time considering how many there were. I used to say that.

      Before the hide shoulders option existed as an option, there was a PTS a few years ago, sometime around Elsweyr... Where hide hip plates and flaps were an option. It was there for a week in the menu, not something we could interact with but we could see it, and then the next week, it was gone. No word from Zos about it, like it was a dream. So like the hide shoulder option, which existed in the game outside the reach of the players for nearly 10 years, these options also exist and it's baffling to me that they haven't released them yet.

      The irony is that if they just put this option (which already exists on their end) in the crown store they could rake in the dough.
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    • tomofhyrule
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      merpins wrote: »
      Okay, new thread old topic. I used to say, a long time ago, that this would most likely require a lot of work from the devs to remove the hip plates and crotch flaps from the game. For the plates, it's simple since they're not attached to the geometry of the clothing, but the flaps are so that would take a significant amount of time considering how many there were. I used to say that.

      Before the hide shoulders option existed as an option, there was a PTS a few years ago, sometime around Elsweyr... Where hide hip plates and flaps were an option. It was there for a week in the menu, not something we could interact with but we could see it, and then the next week, it was gone. No word from Zos about it, like it was a dream. So like the hide shoulder option, which existed in the game outside the reach of the players for nearly 10 years, these options also exist and it's baffling to me that they haven't released them yet.

      Out of curiosity...

      If it existed for all of one week on PTS, and was not interactable at the time, how are you so sure that it would have worked had it been interactable?

      Isn't it possible that it was there because it was planned, then ended up not working as intended so they dummied it back out? To me, it seems more plausible that something we've only seen text of, but never actually seen in action, may not have done what it says.

      The only, only, evidence we have of a 'remove flaps' actually working in game is the fact that Argonians/Khajiit will not render butt flaps on any models for obvious reasons. We can therefore assume that the butt flap at least is able to be enabled/disabled at will. We have not had any evidence that hiding tassets or front flaps have ever worked. We also know from datamining that the flaps are rendered as separate models, but we do not know if the models of the chest plates have them included as a 'render all at once' thing or if it is programmed as a hideable unit. If it isn't, then they would need to go back and reprogram every motif to be able to do that, which is... a lot.
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      I wear Assassins League. It has very tiny hips and a round collar for shoulders. In Legate Black and Gold it gets a lot of compliments. I liked it because it had a knee length skirt.
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      ApoAlaia wrote: »
      I'm not sure how it works on the engine ESO uses so I could be wildly missing the mark here, however if this was the Creation engine which I am more familiar with that would involve:

      - Creating a new skeleton with further attach points (possibly more than one? not sure if bestial races and humanoid races share skeleton).

      Then

      - Splitting the mesh.
      - Editing the textures.
      - Assigning attach points to the newly created split meshes.
      - Rigging the meshes to the new skeleton.
      - Adjusting the meshes and textures to minimise clipping/tearing etc.

      For each and every single piece that has 'hip flaps' or 'crotch flaps'.

      Then

      - Developing the 'logic' (if is not built-in already) that allows showing/hiding these new meshes 'on the fly'.

      Obviously these are game developers, they may have tools, knowledge and expertise that makes the process far less time consuming and 'trial and error' based than when modding but still, seems like a humongous undertaking given the plethora of styles currently in the game.

      It would be nice don't get me wrong, I'd love it myself, but I just don't know how realistic a expectation it is.

      Don't forget animating all of that, again.
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    • Cooperharley
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      Yea this needs to be done along with updating several textures and styles throughout the game. Modern styles are so cool, high numbers of pixels, etc and then you look at base game race styles, and it feels like you’re looking at Morrowind graphics :)
    • SilverBride
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      We've been asking to remove the hip flaps since launch 10 years ago. I'd say maybe we should just give up but we finally got hide shoulders so there is still hope.
      Edited by SilverBride on January 4, 2024 6:35PM
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    • ApoAlaia
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      merpins wrote: »
      Okay, new thread old topic. I used to say, a long time ago, that this would most likely require a lot of work from the devs to remove the hip plates and crotch flaps from the game. For the plates, it's simple since they're not attached to the geometry of the clothing, but the flaps are so that would take a significant amount of time considering how many there were. I used to say that.

      Before the hide shoulders option existed as an option, there was a PTS a few years ago, sometime around Elsweyr... Where hide hip plates and flaps were an option. It was there for a week in the menu, not something we could interact with but we could see it, and then the next week, it was gone. No word from Zos about it, like it was a dream. So like the hide shoulder option, which existed in the game outside the reach of the players for nearly 10 years, these options also exist and it's baffling to me that they haven't released them yet.

      I cannot comment regarding the PTS appearance of the coveted option because I had no awareness of it until now.

      However when it comes to hiding the shoulder piece, although they have probably implemented it much more gracefully, if one wanted a quick and dirty way to implement such feature one would only need to create a new shoulder item that is a null, untextured mesh.

      In essence one wouldn't be 'hiding' anything, just equipping an 'empty' item on the slot.

      However they have implemented it this is significantly less work than what I understand would be required to deliver what we are asking for in this thread.

      Edited by ApoAlaia on January 4, 2024 7:16PM
    • Billium813
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      It annoys me how front flaps on greaves lay rather... erect... when my character is seated. I'd be nice if they could lay more down on the legs and not be so starched.

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    • Azphira
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      The amount of crotch flaps, I ponder if Zos provides aprons to all of their employees.
    • Celldweller
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      I also hate them and wish we could hide them. I struggle to find outfits I like because either a chest piece I like has one of them dangling or the legs look like a skirt.
    • r34lian
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      merpins wrote: »
      Okay, new thread old topic. I used to say, a long time ago, that this would most likely require a lot of work from the devs to remove the hip plates and crotch flaps from the game. For the plates, it's simple since they're not attached to the geometry of the clothing, but the flaps are so that would take a significant amount of time considering how many there were. I used to say that.

      Before the hide shoulders option existed as an option, there was a PTS a few years ago, sometime around Elsweyr... Where hide hip plates and flaps were an option. It was there for a week in the menu, not something we could interact with but we could see it, and then the next week, it was gone. No word from Zos about it, like it was a dream. So like the hide shoulder option, which existed in the game outside the reach of the players for nearly 10 years, these options also exist and it's baffling to me that they haven't released them yet.

      Atleast they'd stop adding it on new motif considering complains. But that doesnt seem to be the case
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    • SilverBride
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      I really don't understand why they keep making the hip flaps. I can't believe that anyone actually finds them pleasant to look at and it's been clear from the start that players do not like them.
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      I really don't understand why they keep making the hip flaps. I can't believe that anyone actually finds them pleasant to look at and it's been clear from the start that players do not like them.

      It seems to be a style thing for ESO.

      I actually don't mind* them.


      * They have been there for so long that I no longer care that they are there.
      Edited by Elsonso on January 5, 2024 4:54PM
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    • SilverBride
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      I care because it greatly limits my choices for outfits I find appealing. I can't use the majority of styles because I just cannot stand to see these things floating a foot from my body. Logically cloth and leather armor would never have these, just heavy.
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      Now interesting Khajiit and Argonians has no rear flaps, smart as it would clip badly with their tails but it point to at least the back flaps can be turned on and off.
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      These ruin a lot of good outfits. If they at least hugged the hips it wouldn't be so bad but when you can see air between them and your characters hips AND they clip into your hands and weapons it really looks horrible.
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      If they haven't been fixed from floating and clipping after 10 years then maybe the best option is to just remove them.
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    • Pixiepumpkin
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      Yea this needs to be done along with updating several textures and styles throughout the game. Modern styles are so cool, high numbers of pixels, etc and then you look at base game race styles, and it feels like you’re looking at Morrowind graphics :)

      Agreed. The base game graphics do not hold up at all, not at least with city, outfit and furniture textures.

      The world looks ok, kinda plain, but ok. Its the outfits/armor, furniture and house/city textures that drive me crazy.
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      zaria wrote: »
      Now interesting Khajiit and Argonians has no rear flaps, smart as it would clip badly with their tails but it point to at least the back flaps can be turned on and off.

      If I had to guess, I would suggest that they aren't turned off. Instead, they simply are not there in the first place. No rule says that the outfits are the same asset across all character models.
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    • Feljax
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      Adding my voice to this like I do every thread I see that would add more "hide" options. Please, please, PLEASE add this, ZOS!
    • MidniteOwl1913
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      I hate the hip flaps so much I can't stand to use any outfit that has them. Which is a real shame because it is very limiting and I like to change up my outfits regularly.

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      Ohhh, the number of threads that have been made about this.

      None of us even understand why the Art Team continues to include them in new Styles when they ALWAYS have an issue with floating off the Hip and or clip with Weapons.
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