Undaunted Chest Key for Shoulders should be curated.

Veinblood1965

See subject line. It's been a long time since I used keys to purchase shoulders from the Undaunted NPC Vendors (I usually just buy them in Cryodill when they become available. I was needing some shoulders for a Healer build and didn't want to wait so ran a few dungeons and ended up getting medium armour and light armour several times when what I am after is the heavy. I had no idea these were not curated. It just feels like they should be as even if they were curated it could take a bit to get the one you are wanting. Brought tears to this ones eyes.

GooGa592

Agreed. All drops should be curated. There are just too many sets in this game for it to be otherwise.

Kisakee

No they shouldn't or otherwise you wouldn't have any incentive to go in there over and over to populate dungeons and make them feel alive.

Araneae6537

Agreed. For five keys, it really should be curated. The mystery box is fine as is.

i11ionward

For old players this is not a problem, but for new players it takes a very long time to collect a full collection of monster sets.
It would be a great idea to add another chests with curated drops, similar to what was done for the chests from the Infinity Archive.

Kisakee

i11ionward wrote: »

For old players this is not a problem, but for new players it takes a very long time to collect a full collection of monster sets.
It would be a great idea to add another chests with curated drops, similar to what was done for the chests from the Infinity Archive.

There are dedicated chests to shoulders even though not curated and with some help you can get all head pieces of one dungeon in a single run if you're lucky enough. I don't see why this needs to be even faster to complete, there's absolutely no need for a full sticker book other than "completion" and maybe less transmute crystals for recreation.

Veinblood1965

IMO if we are going to have curated set drops from dungeons "including helms" then it just seems that should also apply to the shoulders since they are also part of the "same" set. I mean why have curated items on ALL pieces of a set except one?

It's why I was actually surprised when I found out this was not the case. If you had REALLY bad RNG it could take quite a while and countless runs to obtain the one you want. It just feels like this was an oversight when curated pieces were added to the game.

Reverb

I once got 11 medium Symphony of Blades shoulders in a row. It was so ridiculous that I posted the loot log into Discord for posterity.

Anyone who argues against the coffers being curated must have never blown a bunch of keys on terrible RNG.

Araneae6537

Kisakee wrote: »

i11ionward wrote: »

For old players this is not a problem, but for new players it takes a very long time to collect a full collection of monster sets.
It would be a great idea to add another chests with curated drops, similar to what was done for the chests from the Infinity Archive.

There are dedicated chests to shoulders even though not curated and with some help you can get all head pieces of one dungeon in a single run if you're lucky enough. I don't see why this needs to be even faster to complete, there's absolutely no need for a full sticker book other than "completion" and maybe less transmute crystals for recreation.

Head pieces are no problem, but I recently got five of those five-key boxes and at least three contained the same pauldron that I didn’t need. Considering the time it takes to get five keys, I think it’s ridiculous. You’ll still probably need to reconstruct the piece you want in the right trait, but right now there is no other way to get the shoulder pieces than these ridiculous boxes except the Golden vendor and who knows how long you’ll have to wait with only every other week being shoulders, and only two sets.

Kisakee

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

IMO if we are going to have curated set drops from dungeons "including helms" then it just seems that should also apply to the shoulders since they are also part of the "same" set. I mean why have curated items on ALL pieces of a set except one?

It's why I was actually surprised when I found out this was not the case. If you had REALLY bad RNG it could take quite a while and countless runs to obtain the one you want. It just feels like this was an oversight when curated pieces were added to the game.

I can't even tell if monster set head pieces are curated at this point but my point still stands - no curation on shoulders. Everything that leads to less Dungeon population is bad for the game long term regardless of peoples personal feelings about it.

I've been there too, i had to open 48 5-key boxes to finally get the one shoulder piece i wanted. Even if it took quite some time and i was losing my head about it in this moment i also enabled dozens of other people to do their Dungeon runs. Taking one for the team to keep the system running is the name of the game.

Araneae6537

Kisakee wrote: »

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

IMO if we are going to have curated set drops from dungeons "including helms" then it just seems that should also apply to the shoulders since they are also part of the "same" set. I mean why have curated items on ALL pieces of a set except one?

It's why I was actually surprised when I found out this was not the case. If you had REALLY bad RNG it could take quite a while and countless runs to obtain the one you want. It just feels like this was an oversight when curated pieces were added to the game.

I can't even tell if monster set head pieces are curated at this point but my point still stands - no curation on shoulders. Everything that leads to less Dungeon population is bad for the game long term regardless of peoples personal feelings about it.

I've been there too, i had to open 48 5-key boxes to finally get the one shoulder piece i wanted. Even if it took quite some time and i was losing my head about it in this moment i also enabled dozens of other people to do their Dungeon runs. Taking one for the team to keep the system running is the name of the game.

I’m all for keeping the dungeons populated. I would think transmutes will continue to be a draw. I would rather pay even more keys for a curated drop though. I prefer to slowly work toward a goal rather than have continued disappointment as that makes me give up on the method altogether (so I wait for shoulder to come to the Golden and seldom try to chase leads behind treasure chest RNG — too frustrating and unrewarding. I would rather have other things to spend keys on, like transmute pages and maybe more monster style pages (instead of adding these to the Archive vendor, although these are one of the things I buy, it might have been better to keep those purely from the dungeons and offer more leads and other items with limited availability.

CrashTest

Agree, the ridiculous RNG just makes me burn out and hate dungeons even more so I just stop running them.

CrashTest

Kisakee wrote: »

No they shouldn't or otherwise you wouldn't have any incentive to go in there over and over to populate dungeons and make them feel alive.

Wrong. Horrible RNG makes me not want to run dungeons and just quit ESO. It's extremely disheartening to run content on repeat for hours, days, weeks, months and still not get the drop you're after.

Fun should be the reason to replay content, not horrid RNG.

gariondavey

GooGa592 wrote: »

Agreed. All drops should be curated. There are just too many sets in this game for it to be otherwise.

This

Oblivion_Protocol

Even if people want to argue that the drops shouldn’t be curated because it’s important to bring people back to dungeons so the content won’t die (a bit of logic which has numerous holes, btw), can we at least agree that you shouldn’t get the same piece of gear twice until you’ve filled that part of your stickerbook? There is no reason for players to get the exact same shoulder piece multiple times in a row.

Vulkunne

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

See subject line. It's been a long time since I used keys to purchase shoulders from the Undaunted NPC Vendors (I usually just buy them in Cryodill when they become available. I was needing some shoulders for a Healer build and didn't want to wait so ran a few dungeons and ended up getting medium armour and light armour several times when what I am after is the heavy. I had no idea these were not curated. It just feels like they should be as even if they were curated it could take a bit to get the one you are wanting. Brought tears to this ones eyes.

Agreed and have also asked for this previously. This is way overdo.

i11ionward

Kisakee wrote: »

i11ionward wrote: »

For old players this is not a problem, but for new players it takes a very long time to collect a full collection of monster sets.
It would be a great idea to add another chests with curated drops, similar to what was done for the chests from the Infinity Archive.

There are dedicated chests to shoulders even though not curated and with some help you can get all head pieces of one dungeon in a single run if you're lucky enough. I don't see why this needs to be even faster to complete, there's absolutely no need for a full sticker book other than "completion" and maybe less transmute crystals for recreation.

Firstly I prefer to spend 25 transmutation stone on gear creation.
Secondly you can have 5 of 6 parts of set in your collection, but it's 6th part that you don't have that you need.
I'm not suggesting just introducing another curated drop chest, a curated drop chest should cost significantly more keys.
Mathematically, the chance of getting the shoulder that you need is 1/6 or 16.6%, with this chance, on average you need to spend 31.25 keys to drop the necessary shoulder. This is true if the price of the curated drop chest will be 30-35 keys, this price will have absolutely no effect on veteran dungeons population.

gariondavey

Just spent 65 keys to get the right monster shoulder weight...unreal

Araneae6537

I run dungeons for fun, for transmutes, for gear, for skill points and XP, even for motif drops, but not for keys unless there’s a style page I want, not for a long time. Working toward a goal I’ll do, RNG per dungeon I’ll even do, but not work up to RNG (save up keys to buy a box of… junk?)

To be fair, I did more as a newer player because I needed to have SOME sets (but then the weight of the monster helm would be determined by what shoulders I could unlock since the helm weights are so much easier to unlock) and then too, there was more that I needed. Now, there are some new monster sets I’d like to get but, bah, I’m not grinding keys for that. When I amass keys from running dungeons for other reasons (and pledges grant do grant transmutes), I eventually buy some boxes because what else to do with the keys? Usually mystery boxes because 5 keys for probable junk is ridiculous. But sometimes I have to remind myself of that.

AlterBlika

Araneae6537 wrote: »

I eventually buy some boxes because what else to do with the keys? Usually mystery boxes because 5 keys for probable junk is ridiculous. But sometimes I have to remind myself of that.

I always just buy 1 key coffer when there's a style page available. I happen to have all of monster shoulders, but the funny part is that I nearly don't use monster sets at all.

I do remember that I wanted selene medium shoulders once, never got it from 5 key boxes, eventually meta shifted and I ended up buying it from Cyrodiil just for collection. The base game ones were the most frustrating for me to get since we rarely get arms packs from there.

Billium813

Make both Mystery Coffers and 5 key Coffers curated.

Glirion the Redbeard (12), Maj al-Ragath (12), and Urgarlag Chief-bane (28) have 52 different Monster Shoulders between them. That's 156 different Shoulder items when you consider the weight. That means it would cost 156 Undaunted Keys to get all the Monster Shoulders.

Each 5 Key Coffer contains 6 possible Shoulder items. That means it would cost 30 Undaunted Keys to guarantee getting the Shoulder in the weight that you need, in the set you need. That's a lot more expensive, but you are getting the Shoulder in the set you need and it might only cost 5 Undaunted Keys if you're lucky.

I'd also like to see them create more things to spend Undaunted Keys on. Looking at the Infinite Archive merchants, there are plenty of things they could add to the Undaunted Merchants (Dungeon Leads, Monster Mask Style Pages, Dungeon Furnishings). There needs to be a Key sink for after all of the Shoulders are collected. The Style pages are just too expensive and both the Golden Vendor and IA Vendor are cheaper.

RealLoveBVB

Then make telvar- and cyro coffers curated too. They have a even bigger loot pool

XSTRONG

Agree

brtomkin

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

Then make telvar- and cyro coffers curated too. They have a even bigger loot pool

Yeah! And make monster shoulders and dungeon drops unbound, too!

Araneae6537

brtomkin wrote: »

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

Then make telvar- and cyro coffers curated too. They have a even bigger loot pool

Yeah! And make monster shoulders and dungeon drops unbound, too!

No one is asking for that…

EF321

Veinblood1965 wrote: »

I was needing some shoulders for a Healer build and didn't want to wait so ran a few dungeons and ended up getting medium armour and light armour several times when what I am after is the heavy.

While idea of adding more expensive chests with curated drops mentioned above is good, what exactly is the problem with quoted bit? Just use your light or medium shoulder?

IZZEFlameLash

RealLoveBVB wrote: »

Then make telvar- and cyro coffers curated too. They have a even bigger loot pool

Definitely would love that. Even if you may have stated this as sarcasm to express your disagreement over curated monster shoulder drops. Really hate spending time gated resources such as Undaunted Keys, and AP on some lootbox chest that may or may not give you bazillion of the same pieces over and over and over again till you are sick of it and quit the game for.

KlauthWarthog

Yes, they should. Grinding a lottery gets very old, very fast. I have stopped using keys altogether, and only get whatever shoulder pops up on the Golden.

JanTanhide

100% agree.

OsUfi

Dropping into another of these threads to say that time I used 150 keys to get Velidreth medium, and still failed to pull it, left me not wanting to do daily dungeons ever again.

I'd be happy if they increased the amount of keys needed per box if there was a chance that'd never happen to me again.

UGotBenched91

Kisakee wrote: »

No they shouldn't or otherwise you wouldn't have any incentive to go in there over and over to populate dungeons and make them feel alive.

If that’s the only way ZOS can make dungeons feel alive then there’s a problem.