Studio Director’s Letter: ESO’s 2023 Retrospective & the Future

Braffin

Twohothardware wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

If the plan is to grow the player base back to what it once was then the two major updates to ESO in 2024 should include Crossplay and moving the base game to free to play on all platforms. The Elder Scrolls Online should be one large player base instead of three small fractured bases across three platforms and multiple regions.

Yeah let's get even more of a bot problem going with the F2P.

And crossplay will never happen between PC and consoles, nor should it.
Console + Console may as well be a thing though.

And why should crossplay never happen between PCs and consoles? It's happening in a lot of other games, including MMOs, just fine. Crossplay not only addresses issues in regards to player population in Cyrodiil and having more active Trials guilds, but it also gives everyone freedom.

You know the reason for this very well: add-ons.

Yes, technically it's not a problem for add-on users and non-addon players to play together (we already do so on pc for literally 10 years now).

Nonetheless a lot of console players (including yourself as I remember) refuse to play together with users of "those cheating add-ons" (again, your words, not mine), while the majority of pc users would rather quit than waiving their usual (and completely allowed) QoL-functions.

So crossplay between pc and console would most likely lead to a lot of players leaving the game and is out of the question.

TaSheen

Braffin wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

If the plan is to grow the player base back to what it once was then the two major updates to ESO in 2024 should include Crossplay and moving the base game to free to play on all platforms. The Elder Scrolls Online should be one large player base instead of three small fractured bases across three platforms and multiple regions.

Yeah let's get even more of a bot problem going with the F2P.

And crossplay will never happen between PC and consoles, nor should it.
Console + Console may as well be a thing though.

And why should crossplay never happen between PCs and consoles? It's happening in a lot of other games, including MMOs, just fine. Crossplay not only addresses issues in regards to player population in Cyrodiil and having more active Trials guilds, but it also gives everyone freedom.

You know the reason for this very well: add-ons.

Yes, technically it's not a problem for add-on users and non-addon players to play together (we already do so on pc for literally 10 years now).

Nonetheless a lot of console players (including yourself as I remember) refuse to play together with users of "those cheating add-ons" (again, your words, not mine), while the majority of pc users would rather quit than waiving their usual (and completely allowed) QoL-functions.

So crossplay between pc and console would most likely lead to a lot of players leaving the game and is out of the question.

I don't think it was TwoHotHardware who said that about refusing to play with us "cheaters". I think it was @Mik195 (at least he said that to me at least once).

TaSheen

Braffin wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

If the plan is to grow the player base back to what it once was then the two major updates to ESO in 2024 should include Crossplay and moving the base game to free to play on all platforms. The Elder Scrolls Online should be one large player base instead of three small fractured bases across three platforms and multiple regions.

Yeah let's get even more of a bot problem going with the F2P.

And crossplay will never happen between PC and consoles, nor should it.
Console + Console may as well be a thing though.

And why should crossplay never happen between PCs and consoles? It's happening in a lot of other games, including MMOs, just fine. Crossplay not only addresses issues in regards to player population in Cyrodiil and having more active Trials guilds, but it also gives everyone freedom.

You know the reason for this very well: add-ons.

Yes, technically it's not a problem for add-on users and non-addon players to play together (we already do so on pc for literally 10 years now).

Nonetheless a lot of console players (including yourself as I remember) refuse to play together with users of "those cheating add-ons" (again, your words, not mine), while the majority of pc users would rather quit than waiving their usual (and completely allowed) QoL-functions.

So crossplay between pc and console would most likely lead to a lot of players leaving the game and is out of the question.

I don't think it was TwoHotHardware who said that about refusing to play with us "cheaters". I think it was @Mik195 (at least he said that to me at least once).

Twohothardware wrote: »

Some of those addons though need to be more evaluated by Zenimax to see if they should even be allowed in the game.

If console players right now have to do call-outs as a team for mechanics in Trials and PC players are able to use add-ons that just reveal all the mechanics to you and tell you what to do, that's pretty much cheating.

Huh. I didn't see that post apparently. Well, okay then!

ArchMikem

Y'all know the letter was for shareholders mainly right? He's not lying, he's omitting and being vague in order to focus on positives.

dcrush

You know what would be a great reward? Less reliance on rng and more stuff that is earnable though achievements.

gronoxvx

LunaFlora wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I wonder if theyll ban anyone mentioning "pvp" in the stream again like they did last year.

maybe don't expect an answer to pvp questions during streams that are not related to pvp.
Bethesda's livestreams seem quite planned out and zos probably only wants to answer questions related to the stream.

So by this logic all the housing people who ask questions during the dungeon reveals should get banned from the stream too? Ok.

Warhawke_80

For some reason what I got out of the letter was....

"were not going to cut story completely out but our focus is going to be on Raids/PVP and other group content."

Which to me is basically asking me to find another game

OtarTheMad

gronoxvx wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I wonder if theyll ban anyone mentioning "pvp" in the stream again like they did last year.

maybe don't expect an answer to pvp questions during streams that are not related to pvp.
Bethesda's livestreams seem quite planned out and zos probably only wants to answer questions related to the stream.

So by this logic all the housing people who ask questions during the dungeon reveals should get banned from the stream too? Ok.

Exactly. So during the cooking stream… PvP questions? No. PvE questions? No. Necromancer class? LoL no. How many sweet rolls can I put up my oblivion portal? Should be answered and not thought of as completely weird at all.

Now we get it.

Twohothardware

Braffin wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

If the plan is to grow the player base back to what it once was then the two major updates to ESO in 2024 should include Crossplay and moving the base game to free to play on all platforms. The Elder Scrolls Online should be one large player base instead of three small fractured bases across three platforms and multiple regions.

Yeah let's get even more of a bot problem going with the F2P.

And crossplay will never happen between PC and consoles, nor should it.
Console + Console may as well be a thing though.

And why should crossplay never happen between PCs and consoles? It's happening in a lot of other games, including MMOs, just fine. Crossplay not only addresses issues in regards to player population in Cyrodiil and having more active Trials guilds, but it also gives everyone freedom.

You know the reason for this very well: add-ons.

Yes, technically it's not a problem for add-on users and non-addon players to play together (we already do so on pc for literally 10 years now).

Nonetheless a lot of console players (including yourself as I remember) refuse to play together with users of "those cheating add-ons" (again, your words, not mine), while the majority of pc users would rather quit than waiving their usual (and completely allowed) QoL-functions.

So crossplay between pc and console would most likely lead to a lot of players leaving the game and is out of the question.

I don't think it was TwoHotHardware who said that about refusing to play with us "cheaters". I think it was @Mik195 (at least he said that to me at least once).

Twohothardware wrote: »

Some of those addons though need to be more evaluated by Zenimax to see if they should even be allowed in the game.

If console players right now have to do call-outs as a team for mechanics in Trials and PC players are able to use add-ons that just reveal all the mechanics to you and tell you what to do, that's pretty much cheating.

The mod I was referencing is not “quality of life”. We were talking about one of the mods used in Vet Trials that telegraphs the mechanics and boss attacks so teams don’t have to communicate them. Those types of mods I don’t think should be in the game regardless.

Either way though it doesn’t personally bother me to play against PC players with mods because I only care about PvP and those mods aren’t going to make a difference there.

Braffin

Twohothardware wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

If the plan is to grow the player base back to what it once was then the two major updates to ESO in 2024 should include Crossplay and moving the base game to free to play on all platforms. The Elder Scrolls Online should be one large player base instead of three small fractured bases across three platforms and multiple regions.

Yeah let's get even more of a bot problem going with the F2P.

And crossplay will never happen between PC and consoles, nor should it.
Console + Console may as well be a thing though.

And why should crossplay never happen between PCs and consoles? It's happening in a lot of other games, including MMOs, just fine. Crossplay not only addresses issues in regards to player population in Cyrodiil and having more active Trials guilds, but it also gives everyone freedom.

You know the reason for this very well: add-ons.

Yes, technically it's not a problem for add-on users and non-addon players to play together (we already do so on pc for literally 10 years now).

Nonetheless a lot of console players (including yourself as I remember) refuse to play together with users of "those cheating add-ons" (again, your words, not mine), while the majority of pc users would rather quit than waiving their usual (and completely allowed) QoL-functions.

So crossplay between pc and console would most likely lead to a lot of players leaving the game and is out of the question.

I don't think it was TwoHotHardware who said that about refusing to play with us "cheaters". I think it was @Mik195 (at least he said that to me at least once).

Twohothardware wrote: »

Some of those addons though need to be more evaluated by Zenimax to see if they should even be allowed in the game.

If console players right now have to do call-outs as a team for mechanics in Trials and PC players are able to use add-ons that just reveal all the mechanics to you and tell you what to do, that's pretty much cheating.

The mod I was referencing is not “quality of life”. We were talking about one of the mods used in Vet Trials that telegraphs the mechanics and boss attacks so teams don’t have to communicate them. Those types of mods I don’t think should be in the game regardless.

Either way though it doesn’t personally bother me to play against PC players with mods because I only care about PvP and those mods aren’t going to make a difference there.

What's QoL and what's "cheating" isn't for the playerbase to decide but the developers. All add-ons are made based on LUAapi and therefore officially allowed and supported. Personal opinions are of no importance regarding this matter. It's as easy as that.

Crossplay won't solve the PvP-related issues btw. This can only be done by major improvements to server stability and reasonable additions to this gamemode. And it definitely won't magically populate PvP during off-peak hours.

Araneae6537

OtarTheMad wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I wonder if theyll ban anyone mentioning "pvp" in the stream again like they did last year.

maybe don't expect an answer to pvp questions during streams that are not related to pvp.
Bethesda's livestreams seem quite planned out and zos probably only wants to answer questions related to the stream.

So by this logic all the housing people who ask questions during the dungeon reveals should get banned from the stream too? Ok.

Exactly. So during the cooking stream… PvP questions? No. PvE questions? No. Necromancer class? LoL no. How many sweet rolls can I put up my oblivion portal? Should be answered and not thought of as completely weird at all.

Now we get it.

Asking an unrelated question shouldn’t be a ban, but I wouldn’t expect it to be answered. Spamming chat about anything seems reasonable grounds for loosing chat privileges at least. Spamming is just disruptive and doesn’t help anyone.

Elsonso

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Araneae6537 wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I wonder if theyll ban anyone mentioning "pvp" in the stream again like they did last year.

maybe don't expect an answer to pvp questions during streams that are not related to pvp.
Bethesda's livestreams seem quite planned out and zos probably only wants to answer questions related to the stream.

So by this logic all the housing people who ask questions during the dungeon reveals should get banned from the stream too? Ok.

Exactly. So during the cooking stream… PvP questions? No. PvE questions? No. Necromancer class? LoL no. How many sweet rolls can I put up my oblivion portal? Should be answered and not thought of as completely weird at all.

Now we get it.

Asking an unrelated question shouldn’t be a ban, but I wouldn’t expect it to be answered. Spamming chat about anything seems reasonable grounds for loosing chat privileges at least. Spamming is just disruptive and doesn’t help anyone.

Yup. If people were spamming "increase housing limits" during the cooking stream, I would expect someone to step in and time them out or ban them. It isn't the topic, but the behavior, that deserves moderation.

Tandor

gronoxvx wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I wonder if theyll ban anyone mentioning "pvp" in the stream again like they did last year.

maybe don't expect an answer to pvp questions during streams that are not related to pvp.
Bethesda's livestreams seem quite planned out and zos probably only wants to answer questions related to the stream.

So by this logic all the housing people who ask questions during the dungeon reveals should get banned from the stream too? Ok.

Like all things in life, including this forum, it isn't what you say so much as how you say it. Do the housing people spam the same stuff in the same way as the PvPers? Genuine question, as the first thing I do when watching an ESO Live is close the chat window.

EDIT: typo

XSTRONG

I dont do story content in Eso like questing running back and forth to talk to diffrent Npc so less focus on that would be great in my opinion.

More systems is great and even tho im not much of a pvp player I do enjoy Battlegrounds alot and can spend a whole weekend just doing Bgs so I wouldnt mind some kind of new PvP content.

Infinite Archive was great but with the amount of time you spending in there the rewards are really lacking and seems to be more focused on bound housing stuff so great for those who like that.

What I want to see in 2024 is new content for pvp, more cool and fun dungeons, updates to Infinite Archive, QoL updates and a BIG 10 year anniversary event!

AzuraFan

Warhawke_80 wrote: »

For some reason what I got out of the letter was....

"were not going to cut story completely out but our focus is going to be on Raids/PVP and other group content."

Which to me is basically asking me to find another game

That was my "reading between the lines" too, but I'm hoping by "systems" they also mean stuff like antiquities. If it turns out that's not what they mean and all the new content (except the annual chapter) is PvP and/or group content, then yeah, bye-bye ESO. I can only amuse myself in the same old zones for so long.

ETA: And the annual chapter had better be good, back on par with Summerset, Morrowind, and Elsweyr. After all, the line we were fed last year was that they were dropping the Q4 DLC so they could do better with the annual chapter. I didn't expect to see the result of that in 2023, since there was a Q4 DLC in 2022. But in 2024, I would expect to see more substance to the annual chapter. Necrom was better than the more recent chapters, but not on par with the earlier ones.

If I see that the 2024 annual chapter isn't at least on par with Necrom, then I'll know they really won't be focusing on story anymore.

Elsonso

AzuraFan wrote: »

I'm hoping by "systems" they also mean stuff like antiquities. If it turns out that's not what they mean and all the new content (except the annual chapter) is PvP and/or group content, then yeah, bye-bye ESO. I can only amuse myself in the same old zones for so long.

When they say "systems", I think of things like the Group Finder, ToT, Antiquities, and even the "infinite" part of the Archive.

To me, this brings to mind such things as "spell crafting", another combat system, or even a PVP system, as a big thing they could do.

AzuraFan wrote: »

And the annual chapter had better be good, back on par with Summerset, Morrowind, and Elsweyr. After all, the line we were fed last year was that they were dropping the Q4 DLC so they could do better with the annual chapter.

If I see that the 2024 annual chapter isn't at least on par with Necrom, then I'll know they really won't be focusing on story anymore.

I would prefer that they do more Zone content than Dungeon/Trial/Arena content next year. It always seems like Zone content is the first on the chopping block.

As a Chapter, I thought the Necrom chapter was much better than Greymoor and Blackwood. The lack of the bow in the 4Q DLC hurt 2023 considerably from the Story perspective.

If 2024 is "2023: The Sequel" then I will also be Sequels are rarely as good as the original.

reazea

Araneae6537 wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I wonder if theyll ban anyone mentioning "pvp" in the stream again like they did last year.

maybe don't expect an answer to pvp questions during streams that are not related to pvp.
Bethesda's livestreams seem quite planned out and zos probably only wants to answer questions related to the stream.

So by this logic all the housing people who ask questions during the dungeon reveals should get banned from the stream too? Ok.

Exactly. So during the cooking stream… PvP questions? No. PvE questions? No. Necromancer class? LoL no. How many sweet rolls can I put up my oblivion portal? Should be answered and not thought of as completely weird at all.

Now we get it.

Asking an unrelated question shouldn’t be a ban, but I wouldn’t expect it to be answered. Spamming chat about anything seems reasonable grounds for loosing chat privileges at least. Spamming is just disruptive and doesn’t help anyone.

When was the last time ZOS did a PvP related stream when PvP questions would be acceptable? If ZOS never does a PvP related stream, when then should we be asking our PvP related questions?

React

reazea wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I wonder if theyll ban anyone mentioning "pvp" in the stream again like they did last year.

maybe don't expect an answer to pvp questions during streams that are not related to pvp.
Bethesda's livestreams seem quite planned out and zos probably only wants to answer questions related to the stream.

So by this logic all the housing people who ask questions during the dungeon reveals should get banned from the stream too? Ok.

Exactly. So during the cooking stream… PvP questions? No. PvE questions? No. Necromancer class? LoL no. How many sweet rolls can I put up my oblivion portal? Should be answered and not thought of as completely weird at all.

Now we get it.

Asking an unrelated question shouldn’t be a ban, but I wouldn’t expect it to be answered. Spamming chat about anything seems reasonable grounds for loosing chat privileges at least. Spamming is just disruptive and doesn’t help anyone.

When was the last time ZOS did a PvP related stream when PvP questions would be acceptable? If ZOS never does a PvP related stream, when then should we be asking our PvP related questions?

This. There is literally no outlet to speak with anybody at zenimax regarding PVP. They do not respond to PVP forum posts. They do not do PVP livestreams. They do not answer PVP questions in their non PVP live streams. There is no discord server where developers or employees of zenimax network with the public.

While I do not condone people going into non-PVP zenimax streams just to spam non-productive stuff, how else are we supposed to interface with the company regarding our preferred activity?

It's easy to be a questing/housing/roleplay oriented individual and sit there and call PVP players toxic, but you have to understand that this is the product of years of neglect. Imagine if there hadn't been a PVE zone/dungeon/trial, or no new houses, or no story quests in 5 years and the developers just blatantly ignored or censored every request for information about those things. That is where PVP is at right now, no exaggeration.

Braffin

React wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I wonder if theyll ban anyone mentioning "pvp" in the stream again like they did last year.

maybe don't expect an answer to pvp questions during streams that are not related to pvp.
Bethesda's livestreams seem quite planned out and zos probably only wants to answer questions related to the stream.

So by this logic all the housing people who ask questions during the dungeon reveals should get banned from the stream too? Ok.

Exactly. So during the cooking stream… PvP questions? No. PvE questions? No. Necromancer class? LoL no. How many sweet rolls can I put up my oblivion portal? Should be answered and not thought of as completely weird at all.

Now we get it.

Asking an unrelated question shouldn’t be a ban, but I wouldn’t expect it to be answered. Spamming chat about anything seems reasonable grounds for loosing chat privileges at least. Spamming is just disruptive and doesn’t help anyone.

When was the last time ZOS did a PvP related stream when PvP questions would be acceptable? If ZOS never does a PvP related stream, when then should we be asking our PvP related questions?

Imagine if there hadn't been a PVE zone/dungeon/trial, or no new houses, or no story quests in 5 years and the developers just blatantly ignored or censored every request for information about those things.

Well, this people are already hyperventilating because they weren't the most relevant audience in a single Q4.

Not even mentioning how often they called anything not related to overland as "a waste of development resources".

I for myself don't PvP much, but I really hope 2024 will bring some improvements for you and fully understand and support those, which stand in for some improvements for this gamemode (which were in fact endgame until zos destroyed it on purpose).

Twohothardware

Braffin wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

If the plan is to grow the player base back to what it once was then the two major updates to ESO in 2024 should include Crossplay and moving the base game to free to play on all platforms. The Elder Scrolls Online should be one large player base instead of three small fractured bases across three platforms and multiple regions.

Yeah let's get even more of a bot problem going with the F2P.

And crossplay will never happen between PC and consoles, nor should it.
Console + Console may as well be a thing though.

And why should crossplay never happen between PCs and consoles? It's happening in a lot of other games, including MMOs, just fine. Crossplay not only addresses issues in regards to player population in Cyrodiil and having more active Trials guilds, but it also gives everyone freedom.

You know the reason for this very well: add-ons.

Yes, technically it's not a problem for add-on users and non-addon players to play together (we already do so on pc for literally 10 years now).

Nonetheless a lot of console players (including yourself as I remember) refuse to play together with users of "those cheating add-ons" (again, your words, not mine), while the majority of pc users would rather quit than waiving their usual (and completely allowed) QoL-functions.

So crossplay between pc and console would most likely lead to a lot of players leaving the game and is out of the question.

I don't think it was TwoHotHardware who said that about refusing to play with us "cheaters". I think it was @Mik195 (at least he said that to me at least once).

Twohothardware wrote: »

Some of those addons though need to be more evaluated by Zenimax to see if they should even be allowed in the game.

If console players right now have to do call-outs as a team for mechanics in Trials and PC players are able to use add-ons that just reveal all the mechanics to you and tell you what to do, that's pretty much cheating.

The mod I was referencing is not “quality of life”. We were talking about one of the mods used in Vet Trials that telegraphs the mechanics and boss attacks so teams don’t have to communicate them. Those types of mods I don’t think should be in the game regardless.

Either way though it doesn’t personally bother me to play against PC players with mods because I only care about PvP and those mods aren’t going to make a difference there.

What's QoL and what's "cheating" isn't for the playerbase to decide but the developers. All add-ons are made based on LUAapi and therefore officially allowed and supported. Personal opinions are of no importance regarding this matter. It's as easy as that.

Crossplay won't solve the PvP-related issues btw. This can only be done by major improvements to server stability and reasonable additions to this gamemode. And it definitely won't magically populate PvP during off-peak hours.

An add-on that decreases the difficulty of the hardest content in the game, telegraphs mechanics so that you don’t have to communicate them, and is used as a reason why PC and console Crossplay can’t work due to the advantage PC is given by this add-on is by definition cheating.

And Crossplay actually would populate PvP more during off-peak hours because you’re combining three platforms that each have players regularly in PvP. No magic required.

Braffin

Twohothardware wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

If the plan is to grow the player base back to what it once was then the two major updates to ESO in 2024 should include Crossplay and moving the base game to free to play on all platforms. The Elder Scrolls Online should be one large player base instead of three small fractured bases across three platforms and multiple regions.

Yeah let's get even more of a bot problem going with the F2P.

And crossplay will never happen between PC and consoles, nor should it.
Console + Console may as well be a thing though.

And why should crossplay never happen between PCs and consoles? It's happening in a lot of other games, including MMOs, just fine. Crossplay not only addresses issues in regards to player population in Cyrodiil and having more active Trials guilds, but it also gives everyone freedom.

You know the reason for this very well: add-ons.

Yes, technically it's not a problem for add-on users and non-addon players to play together (we already do so on pc for literally 10 years now).

Nonetheless a lot of console players (including yourself as I remember) refuse to play together with users of "those cheating add-ons" (again, your words, not mine), while the majority of pc users would rather quit than waiving their usual (and completely allowed) QoL-functions.

So crossplay between pc and console would most likely lead to a lot of players leaving the game and is out of the question.

I don't think it was TwoHotHardware who said that about refusing to play with us "cheaters". I think it was @Mik195 (at least he said that to me at least once).

Twohothardware wrote: »

Some of those addons though need to be more evaluated by Zenimax to see if they should even be allowed in the game.

If console players right now have to do call-outs as a team for mechanics in Trials and PC players are able to use add-ons that just reveal all the mechanics to you and tell you what to do, that's pretty much cheating.

The mod I was referencing is not “quality of life”. We were talking about one of the mods used in Vet Trials that telegraphs the mechanics and boss attacks so teams don’t have to communicate them. Those types of mods I don’t think should be in the game regardless.

Either way though it doesn’t personally bother me to play against PC players with mods because I only care about PvP and those mods aren’t going to make a difference there.

What's QoL and what's "cheating" isn't for the playerbase to decide but the developers. All add-ons are made based on LUAapi and therefore officially allowed and supported. Personal opinions are of no importance regarding this matter. It's as easy as that.

Crossplay won't solve the PvP-related issues btw. This can only be done by major improvements to server stability and reasonable additions to this gamemode. And it definitely won't magically populate PvP during off-peak hours.

An add-on that decreases the difficulty of the hardest content in the game, telegraphs mechanics so that you don’t have to communicate them, and is used as a reason why PC and console Crossplay can’t work due to the advantage PC is given by this add-on is by definition cheating.

And Crossplay actually would populate PvP more during off-peak hours because you’re combining three platforms that each have players regularly in PvP. No magic required.

The add-on isn't the reason why PC and consoles can't play together. The players are.

Your personal definition of cheating isn't relevant in this case at all. But think whatever you like, crossplay between PC and consoles won't happen anyways as long as those "cheating"-attitude won't change. And that's fine.

Tyrant_Tim

React wrote: »

reazea wrote: »

Araneae6537 wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

gronoxvx wrote: »

I wonder if theyll ban anyone mentioning "pvp" in the stream again like they did last year.

maybe don't expect an answer to pvp questions during streams that are not related to pvp.
Bethesda's livestreams seem quite planned out and zos probably only wants to answer questions related to the stream.

So by this logic all the housing people who ask questions during the dungeon reveals should get banned from the stream too? Ok.

Exactly. So during the cooking stream… PvP questions? No. PvE questions? No. Necromancer class? LoL no. How many sweet rolls can I put up my oblivion portal? Should be answered and not thought of as completely weird at all.

Now we get it.

Asking an unrelated question shouldn’t be a ban, but I wouldn’t expect it to be answered. Spamming chat about anything seems reasonable grounds for loosing chat privileges at least. Spamming is just disruptive and doesn’t help anyone.

When was the last time ZOS did a PvP related stream when PvP questions would be acceptable? If ZOS never does a PvP related stream, when then should we be asking our PvP related questions?

This. There is literally no outlet to speak with anybody at zenimax regarding PVP.

@React, you could always grab a ticket to Amsterdam and bring a sticky note pad with the word PvP written on every page and just start discreetly taping them to walls and tables all over the event.

You might even make IGN headlines. 😂

Vulkunne

I think its safe to say that many of us have had a hard year. 2023 certainly wasn't the worst year ever but def a year of dealing with many issues with some headway found, yet many issues remain.

Here's to 2024 being a better year for us all and my advice to the devs if its helpful is for them to enjoy the holidays and please consider taking some of these bugs and problems we keep talking about in hard. I still say Templar Jabs animation looks terrible, the spear they use could be used by something other than a Templar.. it just doesn't work for me. Loved the old animation personally. WW is terrible and virtually unplayable.

Lot of opportunities in 2024 for growth and change... while 2023 had some change in many ways it was still more of the same. Here's hoping for a better year in 2024.

Elsonso

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

React wrote: »

This. There is literally no outlet to speak with anybody at zenimax regarding PVP.

@React, you could always grab a ticket to Amsterdam and bring a sticky note pad with the word PvP written on every page and just start discreetly taping them to walls and tables all over the event.

Minus the sticky note thing, that is actually a way to get a point across.

Go to Amsterdam, or any of the anniversary events, and politely and respectfully let them know, in person, what you think about the game, game direction, and anything else you want them to know.

Someone who spends money to travel to a venue to join a live event for a game is not the run-of-the-mill average player.

gronoxvx

Elsonso wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

React wrote: »

This. There is literally no outlet to speak with anybody at zenimax regarding PVP.

@React, you could always grab a ticket to Amsterdam and bring a sticky note pad with the word PvP written on every page and just start discreetly taping them to walls and tables all over the event.

Minus the sticky note thing, that is actually a way to get a point across.

Go to Amsterdam, or any of the anniversary events, and politely and respectfully let them know, in person, what you think about the game, game direction, and anything else you want them to know.

Someone who spends money to travel to a venue to join a live event for a game is not the run-of-the-mill average player.

It shouldnt take a person spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars to fly to an event to show the devs theyre more than just a "run of the mill average player" to provide feedback and get their message across.

React (and others) have given countless feedback in a respectful manner and get nothing from zos. Look at all the youtube content from previous players like zilla, istherenooneelse etc who provided respectful feedback. All they got was ignored by zos and hate from other eso communities about being whiny pvpers (eso fam represent!1!1!).

Tandor

I hope that when the forum revamp goes ahead it will include a PvP general sub-forum with someone from ZOS charged with providing a reasonable response to posts on it. The trouble at present is that all the PvP stuff gets posted on this sub-forum and is usually buried in what are effectively unrelated topics like this one so they're unlikely to gain any official recognition.

Elsonso

gronoxvx wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

React wrote: »

This. There is literally no outlet to speak with anybody at zenimax regarding PVP.

@React, you could always grab a ticket to Amsterdam and bring a sticky note pad with the word PvP written on every page and just start discreetly taping them to walls and tables all over the event.

Minus the sticky note thing, that is actually a way to get a point across.

Go to Amsterdam, or any of the anniversary events, and politely and respectfully let them know, in person, what you think about the game, game direction, and anything else you want them to know.

Someone who spends money to travel to a venue to join a live event for a game is not the run-of-the-mill average player.

It shouldnt take a person spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars to fly to an event to show the devs theyre more than just a "run of the mill average player" to provide feedback and get their message across.

It doesn't require that.

OtarTheMad

If I remember correctly, and my memory can be spotty, but what started the PvP banning/ignoring during Twitch streams wasn’t just spam but it was extremely rude and toxic players doing and saying things that the devs didn’t deserve no matter what.

This was years ago though so I don’t know if it’s still done now. I also get the frustration with not having content for at least 5 years. I am a Necromancer main and I love PvP… not a great combo. Got to keep in mind ZOS had to change plans they did have for PvP once they saw how Volendrung and milegate changes lagged out servers. They had to shelf other plans for PvP which was no doubt frustrating.

Sovfjen

share some love for pvp next year pls

Aurielle

With regards to the lack of new PVP content, I will say this:

I love PVP in MMOs, and I especially love PVP in this MMO. I understand why many of you want new PVP content, but one thing you all need to remember is that most people are creatures of habit.

I remember in LOTRO, PvMPers were begging for a new map for years. All we had at that time was a tiny map that was only a small fraction of the size of Cyrodiil. The devs finally designed a new PvMP map, and guess what? Hardly anyone played on it after the initial novelty wore off, because all the big fights and player rivalries were still concentrated in the Ettenmoors.

I know tons of PVPers here who rarely do BGs, rarely duel, and rarely head into IC. They live in Cyrodiil. And that’s OK — Cyrodiil is still fun for many of us after ten years. If ZOS adds a new PVP map, the action will still primarily be in Cyrodiil. I can understand hesitancy on the devs’ end to spend time and money on new PVP features that will be largely ignored after the initial buzz dies down. They could add more features to Cyrodiil like Volendrung, but even THAT peed off PVP vets who complained that it took attention away from the primary objectives in Cyrodiil and caused too many performance issues.

So in short, as much as I’d like to see something new for PVP, I totally understand why it’s not a priority for ZOS. I’m just happy to be playing in Cyrodiil again after a very long hiatus, enjoying massive fights at a stable 100 fps without having to watch characters moving around as though they’re in a slide show, or encountering a load screen in the middle of an open field battle, or just crashing as soon as a keep wall gets destroyed. I know a lot of you PC players feel PC PVP performance is “terrible”, but you should have seen PS4 NA circa 2018/19… it was quite literally unplayable:

https://youtu.be/iWGcez21OPk

https://youtu.be/UNZaYa2Ekes

I haven’t seen ANYTHING like the above on PC NA during prime time battles since I returned to the game on PC, not even during the recent stress test. If you think PC NA or PC EU Cyrodiil performance is bad, just remember that it could be a whole lot worse. People on console put up with the above for years. I don’t know if it’s still like that on PS4, but I don’t care to go back to find out.