Arcantist is way over powered as support! Nothing can compare!

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Never seen something this badly balanced. Absolutely no class can compare.

https://eso-hub.com/en/skills/arcanist/curative-runeforms

Let's go through each problem slowly as I cry in astonishment that all healer balance is forever ruined.

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Summon an Apocryphal glyph which you and your allies can heal. The glyph spawns at X % Health and grows stronger the more you heal it. The power pulses every second and grants up to X Weapon/ Spell Damage and heals you and your allies for up to X Health in proportion to its health

Wow just like sorcerers but is this giving 12 allies extra damage instead of 6 like sorc.

But let's face it no ultimate will be better as it's damage rules in eso.

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Runes heal for X Health 3 times to you or an ally in front of you. Generates Crux when cast. Has X % reduced cost for each active Crux when cast.

Healing a target under X % Health grants them Minor Heroism for X seconds.

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Remember the old breath of life back in 2015. There was one class of healer as it healed so many allies with one button!. Let's add on to this and give allies heroism too?

One class of healer it will be again.

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Heals you and your allies for X Health over X seconds. Consumes all Crux when cast. Restores X Magicka and Stamina to your allies over X seconds for each Crux that is consumed.

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Surely the biggest advantage templars had for literally years was shards. It made sure there was one class of healer. Then there orbs which to this day linked in same synergy.

Orbs gave other classes of healers a chance in support role. This makes them better than templar and superior class giving allies sustain. It makes them better all healers who use just orbs for sustain.

Of course this will also mean other classes will be useless not just this but everything added together means...one class of healer again

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Discs surround you or up to X allies in front of you, granting a shield that absorbs X damage for X seconds.

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Wow dragon knight healers are still worst class of healers because their shield stacks with dk tanks. Instead of fixing that over the years...

This isn't balanced with you compared dk healer shields. It's not even close and it steals a play style from one of weakest classes and roles without anything in return

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Place a vortex on the ground at your feet that lasts for X seconds and grants you and your allies Minor Courage, Minor Fortitude, Minor Intellect, and Minor Endurance.

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Earlier on we had minor heroism! That's a 5 piece set skill. Only nightblade and warden healers had a skill that was a 5 piece skill


Arcantist though! Takes it up a notch! Why not 2 skills that are 5 piece sets. It makes for perfect healer. Minor courage is extremely powerful on its own as a set.

Oh but it's not over! Let's give them Minor Intellect, and Minor Endurance that's only on warden, nightblade, sorcerer and add more on too it.

How can any healer compare 👍 when you got both minor courage and add on soc for major courage to game

How is this even close to balanced? 👍

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What's the point of yolo or magma incarnate? Magma incarnate isn't a guarantee proc for it a will maybe go on 4 people or less, but this is likely to be on 12 allies

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Create a portal at a target location. Its twin appears directly before you. You can teleport from one to the other as long as the portals remain open. Generates Crux when teleporting.

Grants a synergy to your allies that allows them to teleport as well.

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Hey warden! What's better then a skill that can teleport all your allies to safety instead of one?

1 vs 12 teleport?

This is balanced? Pvp groups will love this healer as one true healer class.

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So conclusion the class will sale but let's not kid ourselfs on all the other classes got ruined. This is not an exaggeration but plane truth.

I will tell you the future will be 2015.

X2 arcantist to each raid group

Need a trifecta in a dungeon or even hard mode? Give me one reason you pick any other class? Every single thing that makes each other class special has been stolen onto one class.

Then we have reverted all balance actions back to 2014? Have we truly forgotten why orbs existed in first place. People wanted to play then just templar.

Now biggest thing is minor courage plus sn ultimate that gives damage to allies. The ultimate was bad but minor courage as a buff not a 5 piece?

Did we reverse balance on making all sets at least somewhat useful...but now this makes 2 sets trash.

If minor courage as buff is to added. It needs to be an option for all healers.

Giving heroism on arcantist was more than enough to make it special.

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If you play healer have this class or you won't be able to be invited anywhere.

I miss @ZOS_Wrobel . Why do healers only get one class option while dps can use every single class to complete content?

Balance can never be perfect but excuse me this just makes me want to walk away when I know all my other characters as healers will be useless.

There's nothing this class has a disadvantage against, when put side by side another healer

I would love to be proven wrong, but the truth is this class isn't even close to balanced.

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* please balance the sets that now only a skill like yolo, magma along with all minor heroism sets

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* please have mercy on the other healing classes. It's not fair to steal their play styles while making a better version onto a new class. This is all the other healers into one class

ESO_Nightingale

i feel like you can post all of this in the 1 initial post, not a ton of different comments

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ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

i feel like you can post all of this in the 1 initial post, not a ton of different comments

It's harder on mobile and had to go through each item. Please overlook that as did best I could for now, in my emotional state of 5 stages of grief.

Facts remain the same though, it's not balanced in the slightest.

James-Wayne

Like every update lets play and test on PTS first before going through our stages of grief.... right now the only stage you should be at is the first stage, shock

kyatos_binarini

relax. it's a typical cycle of new class/set/mythic:
1. announce of new class/set/mythic
2. pre-release panic
3. release of OP stuff
4. bucks, bucks, tons of bucks
5. 3-6 months of imbalance game
7. nerf, repeat

remember necros after release? malacath's ring? crimson? oakensoul?

LukosCreyden

kyatos_binarini wrote: »

relax. it's a typical cycle of new class/set/mythic:
1. announce of new class/set/mythic
2. pre-release panic
3. release of OP stuff
4. bucks, bucks, tons of bucks
5. 3-6 months of imbalance game
7. nerf, repeat

remember necros after release? malacath's ring? crimson? oakensoul?

Indeed. Necromancer was criticised being OP P2W (and so on) at launch. Now look at it lmao. Poor thing.

Warden was also the same. Some people ragequit because of it, something to do with it stealing from Templar. Now? Warden is the copium-fueled "frost mage" of ESO.

Arcanist will come out swinging on PTS and probably be a bit OP for a while. This also happens in other games (Reaper on a certain other mmo lmao.) After a while, it'll be adjusted down.
Just, hopefully, it won't be straight up murdered like poor Necro.

Jaimeh

LukosCreyden wrote: »

kyatos_binarini wrote: »

relax. it's a typical cycle of new class/set/mythic:
1. announce of new class/set/mythic
2. pre-release panic
3. release of OP stuff
4. bucks, bucks, tons of bucks
5. 3-6 months of imbalance game
7. nerf, repeat

remember necros after release? malacath's ring? crimson? oakensoul?

Indeed. Necromancer was criticised being OP P2W (and so on) at launch. Now look at it lmao. Poor thing.

Warden was also the same. Some people ragequit because of it, something to do with it stealing from Templar. Now? Warden is the copium-fueled "frost mage" of ESO.

Arcanist will come out swinging on PTS and probably be a bit OP for a while. This also happens in other games (Reaper on a certain other mmo lmao.) After a while, it'll be adjusted down.
Just, hopefully, it won't be straight up murdered like poor Necro.

Yes, that's true, they want to sell the chapter after all. But the fact remains that for however long Arcanist will be in this OP state, supports for organized groups will be pigeon-holed into using it.

LunaFlora

the eso hub information is from an old build.
there's still five weeks of pts ahead of us

and i've seen plenty of people say they won't use the class simply because they don't like the theme so it really doesn't matter

Dragonredux

kyatos_binarini wrote: »

relax. it's a typical cycle of new class/set/mythic:
1. announce of new class/set/mythic
2. pre-release panic
3. release of OP stuff
4. bucks, bucks, tons of bucks
5. 3-6 months of imbalance game
7. nerf, repeat

remember necros after release? malacath's ring? crimson? oakensoul?

I love how the original op mythic Thrassian Stranglers keeps getting forgotten.

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James-Wayne wrote: »

Like every update lets play and test on PTS first before going through our stages of grief.... right now the only stage you should be at is the first stage, shock

Sure but in this state it's bad? Can you say otherwise? I would love to see the brighter side of things.

Tommy_The_Gun

The only thing I am kinda worried about is how this new class portal teleport will work in PvP. I just hope it will be impossible to open a portal if you stand on top of enemy keep wall & bring an army from outside the wall.... I mean it is kinda obvious, but ZOS has proved countless times that they don't seem to ask many "what if ?" questions during internally testing lol.

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Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

The only thing I am kinda worried about is how this new class portal teleport will work in PvP. I just hope it will be impossible to open a portal if you stand on top of enemy keep wall & bring an army from outside the wall.... I mean it is kinda obvious, but ZOS has proved countless times that they don't seem to ask many "what if ?" questions during internally testing lol.

It's better to say something now, just in case it gets overlooked.

Like poor dragon knight healers shield...

Ragnarok0130

We obviously won't know until we play it in the PTS and even then it'll likely change. However I'm hearing conflicting reports from people who did play Arcanist at the hands on event. Nefas seems to think Arcanist healer will be good for 4 man content while others seem to think the class is strong all the way around. I haven't heard too much commentary on the tank role yet. I'm very curious to see how the Arcanist meta turns out after we've had our hands on it a bit in the PTS and then we give the devs all of our "knee jerk reactions" with supporting by data and once again be ignored.

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Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

We obviously won't know until we play it in the PTS and even then it'll likely change. However I'm hearing conflicting reports from people who did play Arcanist at the hands on event. Nefas seems to think Arcanist healer will be good for 4 man content while others seem to think the class is strong all the way around. I haven't heard too much commentary on the tank role yet. I'm very curious to see how the Arcanist meta turns out after we've had our hands on it a bit in the PTS and then we give the devs all of our "knee jerk reactions" with supporting by data and once again be ignored.

Nefas isn't only player. Maybe he's downplaying it so everything goes through? Does nefas use all the healer classes or just meta ones? Right now it's balanced and any healer can join ...but if it goes on like this then welcome to arcantist is only healer class



Scroll up, each class is hurt by arcantist. I get wanting to do better then necro in popularity on healer, but people like options

@Ragnork

Each other classes playsytle is stolen to make arcantist look good, especially templars. I am mad on for dragon knight healers. When will they get to shield allies like arcantist.

So help me, if arcantist ultimate goes on more then 6 people.

Zezin

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

We obviously won't know until we play it in the PTS and even then it'll likely change. However I'm hearing conflicting reports from people who did play Arcanist at the hands on event. Nefas seems to think Arcanist healer will be good for 4 man content while others seem to think the class is strong all the way around. I haven't heard too much commentary on the tank role yet. I'm very curious to see how the Arcanist meta turns out after we've had our hands on it a bit in the PTS and then we give the devs all of our "knee jerk reactions" with supporting by data and once again be ignored.

Doesn't look to me like it will make for a good tank, the lack of a reliable self heal makes it kind of bad for 4 man and it doesn't have the mitigation we see on Necro or the sustain of a DK, the main method of sustain for tanks depends on stamina return instead of Regen and the passive that gives that to the arcanist requires the use of that weird taunt it has which as it is I don't think will have much use. It also lacks on unique buffs it can give, honestly feels like arc heals will be the way.

Zezin

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Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

We obviously won't know until we play it in the PTS and even then it'll likely change. However I'm hearing conflicting reports from people who did play Arcanist at the hands on event. Nefas seems to think Arcanist healer will be good for 4 man content while others seem to think the class is strong all the way around. I haven't heard too much commentary on the tank role yet. I'm very curious to see how the Arcanist meta turns out after we've had our hands on it a bit in the PTS and then we give the devs all of our "knee jerk reactions" with supporting by data and once again be ignored.

Nefas isn't only player. Maybe he's downplaying it so everything goes through? Does nefas use all the healer classes or just meta ones? Right now it's balanced and any healer can join ...but if it goes on like this then welcome to arcantist is only healer class



Scroll up, each class is hurt by arcantist. I get wanting to do better then necro in popularity on healer, but people like options

@Ragnork

Each other classes playsytle is stolen to make arcantist look good, especially templars. I am mad on for dragon knight healers. When will they get to shield allies like arcantist.

So help me, if arcantist ultimate goes on more then 6 people.

I mean not really, I'd take one arcanist support but I don't think we'll need more unless that ulti is like crazy good like Necro's major vuln was before nerfs.

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Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

We obviously won't know until we play it in the PTS and even then it'll likely change. However I'm hearing conflicting reports from people who did play Arcanist at the hands on event. Nefas seems to think Arcanist healer will be good for 4 man content while others seem to think the class is strong all the way around. I haven't heard too much commentary on the tank role yet. I'm very curious to see how the Arcanist meta turns out after we've had our hands on it a bit in the PTS and then we give the devs all of our "knee jerk reactions" with supporting by data and once again be ignored.

Nefas isn't only player. Maybe he's downplaying it so everything goes through? Does nefas use all the healer classes or just meta ones? Right now it's balanced and any healer can join ...but if it goes on like this then welcome to arcantist is only healer class



Scroll up, each class is hurt by arcantist. I get wanting to do better then necro in popularity on healer, but people like options

@Ragnork

Each other classes playsytle is stolen to make arcantist look good, especially templars. I am mad on for dragon knight healers. When will they get to shield allies like arcantist.

So help me, if arcantist ultimate goes on more then 6 people.

I mean not really, I'd take one arcanist support but I don't think we'll need more unless that ulti is like crazy good like Necro's major vuln was before nerfs.

Ultimate gives damage. Skill gives ultimate

Soraka

I'll wait until I try it to see.

Zezin

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Zezin wrote: »

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Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

We obviously won't know until we play it in the PTS and even then it'll likely change. However I'm hearing conflicting reports from people who did play Arcanist at the hands on event. Nefas seems to think Arcanist healer will be good for 4 man content while others seem to think the class is strong all the way around. I haven't heard too much commentary on the tank role yet. I'm very curious to see how the Arcanist meta turns out after we've had our hands on it a bit in the PTS and then we give the devs all of our "knee jerk reactions" with supporting by data and once again be ignored.

Nefas isn't only player. Maybe he's downplaying it so everything goes through? Does nefas use all the healer classes or just meta ones? Right now it's balanced and any healer can join ...but if it goes on like this then welcome to arcantist is only healer class



Scroll up, each class is hurt by arcantist. I get wanting to do better then necro in popularity on healer, but people like options

@Ragnork

Each other classes playsytle is stolen to make arcantist look good, especially templars. I am mad on for dragon knight healers. When will they get to shield allies like arcantist.

So help me, if arcantist ultimate goes on more then 6 people.

I mean not really, I'd take one arcanist support but I don't think we'll need more unless that ulti is like crazy good like Necro's major vuln was before nerfs.

Ultimate gives damage. Skill gives ultimate

???

MagicalLija

4.5k hour healer main here:

There's only so much you can push with healing. Overall it will still perform just as well as others will in terms of what it provides and what it can do. Unlike damage dealing where there will always be an increase in dps with each patch, buff and nerf and so on, there's only so many buffs you can provide. There's only so much healing you can provide. At the end of the day all that matters to me personally is that the class is fun to heal with instead of just going through your rotation, the portal might open up a few new utility options for mechanics. The devs even stated how they wanted the class to have more options to be able to use as many ARCANIST skills as possible, not having to use skills from other guild passives like undaunted for orb as an example. Just because Arcanist has a lot of buffs base kit which can be given out using other skills on other classes doesn't mean that you need to come onto the forums to make a massive blog post complaining about it. You say nothing compares, yet they all compare, because there's only so much you can do on a healer. Give buffs. Heal allies. There's not much upwards you can go from there, which is why I think them testing out with the portals is necessary into revitalising a fairly boring and tedious role (depend on the group). I'm just hoping that the portal gets some use on tanks too. There are still a lot of unique buffs the other classes can give which Arcanist can't for example Maturation on Warden or even Nature's gift for crazy sustain.

Turtle_Bot

MagicalLija wrote: »

The devs even stated how they wanted the class to have more options to be able to use as many ARCANIST skills as possible, not having to use skills from other guild passives like undaunted for orb as an example.

Now if only they would apply that same logic to all classes, not just NB, DK, to an extent warden and now arcanist.

So many skills from the other 3 classes that are crying out for a rework/buff, but apparently those 3 classes are in a good spot and don't need anything according to the devs.....

Afterip

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Now if only they would apply that same logic to all classes, not just NB, DK, to an extent warden and now arcanist.

So many skills from the other 3 classes that are crying out for a rework/buff, but apparently those 3 classes are in a good spot and don't need anything according to the devs.....

As magica necro main i totally agreed with all your words...