This is good and all but uh, where are the cloaks/capes?

Araneae6537

I wish a moderator would lock this thread and let it die. Of all the things in this game, and all the problems like the hideous perma-red-focus that hides whatever you want to do with your nightblade, cape or no. Take a look at GW2 — they added capes and they’re the most ridiculous-looking things ever. But people can ask for whatever they like of course so long as I don’t have to use it, just maybe fix all the stuff that’s broken first please?

Speaking of which, I need to log on and see if last night’s patch fixed my outfits…

wilykcat

Me too.

Also I remember something in guild wars 2 from before I recieved an account action, I really loved all the different types of cosmetic back items (capes, wings, cloaks, scarfs, etc) and how good each one of my characters looked wearing those. The animation quality, vfx, and physics were amazing.

Also I really likes this specific type of cape from gw2. It flowed in the breeze and twirled around my character.
(Screenshot taken in 2022)

Even if it snot possible, I would love for eso one day to give clothing realistic animations and physics too.

TaSheen

In order to have "realistic clothing animations" ESO would have to become ESO 2. I don't think that's very likely.

Malyore

TaSheen wrote: »

In order to have "realistic clothing animations" ESO would have to become ESO 2. I don't think that's very likely.

Maybe eso 2 would solve every problem and bug lol

Sakiri

Malyore wrote: »

TaSheen wrote: »

In order to have "realistic clothing animations" ESO would have to become ESO 2. I don't think that's very likely.

Maybe eso 2 would solve every problem and bug lol

You're too hopeful.

FabresFour

Guys... The game doesn't need to have capes/cloaks with realistic physics to... welll, have capes/cloaks. I mean... the game even had released advertising with capes, there's even an ESO trailer in which capes appear.

We all know that the cloaks were only removed for performance reasons... And I imagine that in 2024, 10 years later, these issues will have already been resolved... right... zenimax?

"Oh, but I don't want to!"

Wait, you don't want other players to be able to use capes? For no reason?

You don't have to use it if you don't want to... you know.

I never understand this mentality of "oh, I don't want it in my character, so don't add it!"

Cloaks are part of the Elder Scrolls franchise - even if they are not often used in the games themselves, they are in the arts, in the concept arts, in the trailers, in the statues... And they make sense, with the universe.











So, we have a piece of clothing that CANONICALLY is part of the entire Elder Scrolls franchise and there are people who say "don't add it because I don't like it ò.ó"

It really doesn't make any sense to me

fizzylu

FabresFour wrote: »

So, we have a piece of clothing that CANONICALLY is part of the entire Elder Scrolls franchise and there are people who say "don't add it because I don't like it ò.ó"

It really doesn't make any sense to me

While I do agree with everything you said about capes being canon to TES and that it doesn't make sense that people either want cloaks that perfectly flow in the games fake wind or none at all.... sadly, the problems have definitely not been fixed even 10 years later and it's unlikely that they ever will be. Especially with the direction the game is currently going and being managed.

Sakiri

I don't recall anyone saying they weren't canon. Canon lore has nothing to do with it, and many people have pointed out they're in the artwork.

What people don't want, are WoW and GW2 cloaks, you know, the kind we'd get. Mostly static and garbage looking. And I'd be demanding they be cosmetic only and that I can hide everyone's stupid looking cape.

ghastley

They are possible in the game, provided you don't want to carry a weapon that would clip when sheathed. So no two-handed, bows, staves, swords, maces, daggers, or axes.

If you want a cape, you'll have to agree to be unarmed, or never put your weapon away, (so no interaction with crafting stations, or resource nodes.) Could get tricky to play the game while wearing a cape.

Araneae6537

FabresFour wrote: »

Guys... The game doesn't need to have capes/cloaks with realistic physics to... welll, have capes/cloaks. I mean... the game even had released advertising with capes, there's even an ESO trailer in which capes appear.

Of course cloaks and capes are part of the ESO universe! But yes, I believe we would need some emulation of physics for them to not look like ridiculous flags sticking off of characters (which is how I would characterize “capes” in GW2).

UGotBenched91

The amount of people who are saying no because seeing other players wear capes upsets them. Why do you care so much what another player is wearing?

Sakiri

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

The amount of people who are saying no because seeing other players wear capes upsets them. Why do you care so much what another player is wearing?

I'd say no regardless.

No. I also have problems with some of the ridiculous outfits people wear too and they'd look even dumber with capes.

No capes.

UGotBenched91

Sakiri wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

The amount of people who are saying no because seeing other players wear capes upsets them. Why do you care so much what another player is wearing?

I'd say no regardless.

No. I also have problems with some of the ridiculous outfits people wear too and they'd look even dumber with capes.

No capes.

Hmm perhaps worry more about your own character and how it appears and less on others my friend.

Sakiri

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

The amount of people who are saying no because seeing other players wear capes upsets them. Why do you care so much what another player is wearing?

I'd say no regardless.

No. I also have problems with some of the ridiculous outfits people wear too and they'd look even dumber with capes.

No capes.

Hmm perhaps worry more about your own character and how it appears and less on others my friend.

I look fabulous.

No capes.

Rasande_Robin

Their game-engine can't handle it, simple as that.

UGotBenched91

Sakiri wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

Sakiri wrote: »

UGotBenched91 wrote: »

The amount of people who are saying no because seeing other players wear capes upsets them. Why do you care so much what another player is wearing?

I'd say no regardless.

No. I also have problems with some of the ridiculous outfits people wear too and they'd look even dumber with capes.

No capes.

Hmm perhaps worry more about your own character and how it appears and less on others my friend.

I look fabulous.

No capes.

Haha well I’m glad then! Ha but some of those people who others consider ugly are fabulous in their own way too

TaSheen

We all feel our characters look great. Beauty IS in the eye of the beholder though....

LadyLavina

FabresFour wrote: »

Wait, you don't want other players to be able to use capes? For no reason?

I think you're right in that some people are irrationally against it, but I personally don't want this to ever happen without significant game optimizations happening all around. Having played since launch and witnessed quite a bit, I worry that performance would tank with a zone full of people in cloaks.

FabresFour

ghastley wrote: »

They are possible in the game, provided you don't want to carry a weapon that would clip when sheathed. So no two-handed, bows, staves, swords, maces, daggers, or axes.

If you want a cape, you'll have to agree to be unarmed, or never put your weapon away, (so no interaction with crafting stations, or resource nodes.) Could get tricky to play the game while wearing a cape.

It's not like there aren't a bunch of costumes and styles that hide weapons on the back, from gloambound to the cartographer costume.

FabresFour

LadyLavina wrote: »

FabresFour wrote: »

Wait, you don't want other players to be able to use capes? For no reason?

I think you're right in that some people are irrationally against it, but I personally don't want this to ever happen without significant game optimizations happening all around. Having played since launch and witnessed quite a bit, I worry that performance would tank with a zone full of people in cloaks.

And about that, sorry to write a second comment, I ended up not reading it...

Look, honestly... Nowadays ESO supports things it never would. Hundreds of players walking around with companions, or even the necromancer/arcanist classes, to me, are proof of how much they've improved the game's optimization. (It is a class with many more particles and effects than any other class).

I don't think super complex physics emulation is necessary. From my perspective, a simple animation would be enough (in my opinion). We have this type of fabric animation, for example, on the camel saddles in the game;

I don't know, I really don't think the game is in the same state as it was 10 years ago. And I played at that time. A time when they needed to remove Cyrodiil's trees to improve performance... At least for me, many things improved: quantity of effects, quality, textures, number of things rendered, distance rendering, even my fps improved over that time, and I didn't I had great improvements on my computer.

Rasande_Robin wrote: »

Their game-engine can't handle it, simple as that.

If the engine couldn't support it, the cloaks wouldn't be in the game's early trailers. It was a question of performance at the time. And like I said, I think they've improved the game's performance considerably in recent years.

LunaFlora

FabresFour wrote: »

LadyLavina wrote: »

FabresFour wrote: »

Wait, you don't want other players to be able to use capes? For no reason?

I think you're right in that some people are irrationally against it, but I personally don't want this to ever happen without significant game optimizations happening all around. Having played since launch and witnessed quite a bit, I worry that performance would tank with a zone full of people in cloaks.

And about that, sorry to write a second comment, I ended up not reading it...

Look, honestly... Nowadays ESO supports things it never would. Hundreds of players walking around with companions, or even the necromancer/arcanist classes, to me, are proof of how much they've improved the game's optimization. (It is a class with many more particles and effects than any other class).

I don't think super complex physics emulation is necessary. From my perspective, a simple animation would be enough (in my opinion). We have this type of fabric animation, for example, on the camel saddles in the game;

I don't know, I really don't think the game is in the same state as it was 10 years ago. And I played at that time. A time when they needed to remove Cyrodiil's trees to improve performance... At least for me, many things improved: quantity of effects, quality, textures, number of things rendered, distance rendering, even my fps improved over that time, and I didn't I had great improvements on my computer.

Rasande_Robin wrote: »

Their game-engine can't handle it, simple as that.

If the engine couldn't support it, the cloaks wouldn't be in the game's early trailers. It was a question of performance at the time. And like I said, I think they've improved the game's performance considerably in recent years.

please link the trailers that have cloaks.
i vaguely remember there being 1 trailer with 1 cloak, but i can't even find that.

LunaFlora

https://youtu.be/1_Fr6VF_1LA?si=55gE-mZJkO1zPBOr
found it.
from November 2012.

at the 9 minute mark

FabresFour

LunaFlora wrote: »

https://youtu.be/1_Fr6VF_1LA?si=55gE-mZJkO1zPBOr
found it.
from November 2012.

at the 9 minute mark

cloaks appears at least 3 times during this trailer, (the first gameplay trailer of ESO)

->3:06 mark
->2:27 mark
->9:00 mark

and we have some images too
like this

LunaFlora

FabresFour wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

https://youtu.be/1_Fr6VF_1LA?si=55gE-mZJkO1zPBOr
found it.
from November 2012.

at the 9 minute mark

cloaks appears at least 3 times during this trailer, (the first gameplay trailer of ESO)

->3:06 mark
->2:27 mark
->9:00 mark

and we have some images too
like this

thanks i wanted to upload the cloaks i saw in the trailer, but couldn’t upload the images.

anyways that's the only trailer with cloaks, right?
no cloaks after it as far as I've seen.

FabresFour

LunaFlora wrote: »

FabresFour wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

https://youtu.be/1_Fr6VF_1LA?si=55gE-mZJkO1zPBOr
found it.
from November 2012.

at the 9 minute mark

cloaks appears at least 3 times during this trailer, (the first gameplay trailer of ESO)

->3:06 mark
->2:27 mark
->9:00 mark

and we have some images too
like this

thanks i wanted to upload the cloaks i saw in the trailer, but couldn’t upload the images.

anyways that's the only trailer with cloaks, right?
no cloaks after it as far as I've seen.

Yes, they removed it before the game's official release, so it doesn't appear later.

I don't know if I implied that it was in more than one trailer, English is not my mother tongue, so I may have made a mistake, srry about that

LunaFlora

FabresFour wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

FabresFour wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

https://youtu.be/1_Fr6VF_1LA?si=55gE-mZJkO1zPBOr
found it.
from November 2012.

at the 9 minute mark

cloaks appears at least 3 times during this trailer, (the first gameplay trailer of ESO)

->3:06 mark
->2:27 mark
->9:00 mark

and we have some images too
like this

thanks i wanted to upload the cloaks i saw in the trailer, but couldn’t upload the images.

anyways that's the only trailer with cloaks, right?
no cloaks after it as far as I've seen.

Yes, they removed it before the game's official release, so it doesn't appear later.

I don't know if I implied that it was in more than one trailer, English is not my mother tongue, so I may have made a mistake, srry about that

yea you said trailers so i thought there were more that i missed.

FabresFour wrote: »

If the engine couldn't support it, the cloaks wouldn't be in the game's early trailers. It was a question of performance at the time. And like I said, I think they've improved the game's performance considerably in recent years.

FabresFour

LunaFlora wrote: »

FabresFour wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

FabresFour wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

https://youtu.be/1_Fr6VF_1LA?si=55gE-mZJkO1zPBOr
found it.
from November 2012.

at the 9 minute mark

cloaks appears at least 3 times during this trailer, (the first gameplay trailer of ESO)

->3:06 mark
->2:27 mark
->9:00 mark

and we have some images too
like this

thanks i wanted to upload the cloaks i saw in the trailer, but couldn’t upload the images.

anyways that's the only trailer with cloaks, right?
no cloaks after it as far as I've seen.

Yes, they removed it before the game's official release, so it doesn't appear later.

I don't know if I implied that it was in more than one trailer, English is not my mother tongue, so I may have made a mistake, srry about that

yea you said trailers so i thought there were more that i missed.

FabresFour wrote: »

If the engine couldn't support it, the cloaks wouldn't be in the game's early trailers. It was a question of performance at the time. And like I said, I think they've improved the game's performance considerably in recent years.

Yes, it really is because of the communication barrier. LOL.

In Portuguese, sometimes we construct a sentence with the plural in mind to emphasize something.

For example: At the beginning of the text, I said it was in "an trailer". Later I say, "he cloaks wouldn't be in the game's early trailers" to emphasize.

I did exactly the same thing here: "arts, in the concept arts, in the trailers, in the statues", I never even thought that this could have a dubious interpretation, interesting!

Again, sorry for the miscommunication haha

Malyore

FabresFour wrote: »

LunaFlora wrote: »

https://youtu.be/1_Fr6VF_1LA?si=55gE-mZJkO1zPBOr
found it.
from November 2012.

at the 9 minute mark

cloaks appears at least 3 times during this trailer, (the first gameplay trailer of ESO)

->3:06 mark
->2:27 mark
->9:00 mark

and we have some images too
like this

I like the way those look

moo_2021

If there are capes, can we also have a core combat ability to grab someone by the cape (pull), cover him with his own cape (stun) and spin - toss him away (knockback)?

fizzylu

Malyore wrote: »

I like the way those look

Definitely enhances the orc plate armor (RIP the original chest design for that too, still breaks my heart that Zenimax changed that).