Most requested feature?

Cazador

Holycannoli wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

i can't believe we're finally getting an arcanist class. years of suggesting have paid off

Don't even know what an arcanist is supposed to be. Illusionist I can guess, sorcerer maybe, necromancer for sure, but arcanist? Wtf is that lol.

To put it in d&d terms it seems similar to a warlock, essentially a person who draws power from a tome granted to them by an otherworldly patron.

Amottica

TinyDragon wrote: »

Heartrage wrote: »

Spellcrafting was hyped recently, but people have begged for a new class for 3 years.

Spellcrafting has been a recurring hope since it was shown in 2014

This year was the first time I really thought we might get it. I think the hype was so big because a lot of people felt the same,

But it isn't new, it's pre-existing hype given voice.

You are correct but it seems requests for weapons and new classes occur more often.

Stx

kargen27 wrote: »

ZoS has a lot more data to go on than we do here in the forums. I'm guessing new class was at the top of what players who answered the polls ZoS sends out wanted.

Don’t trust ‘hidden’ data. Trust data you can see, and know the source of. The eye test from reading the forums, content creators videos and comment sections, as well as 3rd party polls, spellcrafting was the most requested and it wasn’t close. More difficult overland was second, and new class was third. New weapon lines were close fourth.

Stinkyremy

Stx wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

ZoS has a lot more data to go on than we do here in the forums. I'm guessing new class was at the top of what players who answered the polls ZoS sends out wanted.

Don’t trust ‘hidden’ data. Trust data you can see, and know the source of. The eye test from reading the forums, content creators videos and comment sections, as well as 3rd party polls, spellcrafting was the most requested and it wasn’t close. More difficult overland was second, and new class was third. New weapon lines were close fourth.

I agree with most of what you said but spellcrafting is only a meme on this forum. You dont really hear of the idea on any other public arena for ESO, and if you do it is pretty much by forum members "spreading the meme"
It is a meme simply because it is a scrapped idea that has yet to, if ever will, make it into the game so have been spammed about on the forum for a year or so.
Spell crafting would most likely destroy the game too. No way could it be in depth like morrowind or oblivions spell crafting was, it would be just like enchanting is now, minor crafting mechanic, but if they are skills you use, it would destroy classes, will ruin metas for a long time, take too long to balance with all the variables etc.

I am a GMC who loves crafting so would love more crafting options and rewards for GMC, but spell crafting is just a meme.

The real content people actually want is more challenging and engaging solo and group overland content
More classes and more of tamriel filled in.

IMO, best way they could do spell crafting is to add a universal weapon skill line, unarmed (spell crafting), basically used from the hands like skyrims spells, and you can craft 6 skills on each bar from a list of 15
So basically no different from an entire class.
Making a viable "new class" from any class, but to learn the skills you need to farm materials, research etc.
If they wanted to go super they could somehow allow you to have 10 skills, 1 ult active at all time (because no need to bar swap your actual hands) 5 from left hand, 5 from right and an ult.
Though this again would ruin metas and negate the whole ESO policy of no cooldown and long list of skills, but simple 6 skill, 2 bars.

Supreme_Atromancer

I think its pretty clear that ZOS has a mandate to eventually deliver on a spellcrafting system.

Its has been the most enduring requested feature since 2014. If the posts across various fora over the last 9 years seems in any way ambiguous in this, all you need to do is look at the yearly developer responses addressing the request.

Although hopes had been somewhat tempered around last year's reveal due to it being specifically nixed for that year, the hype has, very predictably, returned with a vengeance this year.

I want to say to ZOS that its not just because it was teased in 2014 and never delivered. Other systems were teased and later axed in that presentation which have not been championed as persistently.

I think you need to understand that for a lot of us, the spellcrafting teased 9 years ago was so appealing because it promised the sorts of skills and abilities somebody wanting to make a character like from Oblivion, from Skyrim, which you continually drive home as important design elements, would be able to do.

Much of the appeal for the desire for the spellcrafting system is that it would allow us to play the sorts of characters the current class and skill systems have absolutely failed to deliver on. That's also why divvying the old system up and packaging it in disparate class kits like Warden or Arcanist wont satisfy the demand.

I imagine that there are difficulties, and they can't snap their fingers and just implement it. I'm happy to wait for whatever time they think is right. But I hope they understand not only that the demand is there, but what that demand actually means, at its core, for many of us.

TinyDragon

Stinkyremy wrote: »

I agree with most of what you said but spellcrafting is only a meme on this forum. You dont really hear of the idea on any other public arena for ESO, and if you do it is pretty much by forum members "spreading the meme"
It is a meme simply because it is a scrapped idea that has yet to, if ever will, make it into the game so have been spammed about on the forum for a year or so.

I disagree very strongly; it's not a meme, it's an actual desire of people- which is why it keeps coming back

shadyjane62

If they had reversed their terrible decision on Jabs I might have decided to relent on my boycott of all things ESO crown store or ever buying another chapter.

We all have choices.

Malthorne

ZOS is going to do what ZOS wants to do in spite of the community being incredibly vocal about wanting spellcrafting, overland difficulty, story mode dungeons/trials, new skill trees, new weapons etc etc. ZOS does not care to listen to its players.

wilykcat

Malthorne wrote: »

ZOS is going to do what ZOS wants to do in spite of the community being incredibly vocal about wanting spellcrafting, overland difficulty, story mode dungeons/trials, new skill trees, new weapons etc etc. ZOS does not care to listen to its players.

I would really be interested with more dungeon modes. That will make the game more fun. I agree with your post except for the last sentence.

Malthorne

wilykcat wrote: »

Malthorne wrote: »

ZOS is going to do what ZOS wants to do in spite of the community being incredibly vocal about wanting spellcrafting, overland difficulty, story mode dungeons/trials, new skill trees, new weapons etc etc. ZOS does not care to listen to its players.

I would really be interested with more dungeon modes. That will make the game more fun. I agree with your post except for the last sentence.

Proof is in the pudding my friend.

shadyjane62

My greatest request would be to get out of combat.

Kyell

First of all ... will the setting of the addon be scary without a hard mode? I think not.
After all, I would like to see crossplay between PC, XBox and Playstation.

Stinkyremy

TinyDragon wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

I agree with most of what you said but spellcrafting is only a meme on this forum. You dont really hear of the idea on any other public arena for ESO, and if you do it is pretty much by forum members "spreading the meme"
It is a meme simply because it is a scrapped idea that has yet to, if ever will, make it into the game so have been spammed about on the forum for a year or so.

I disagree very strongly; it's not a meme, it's an actual desire of people- which is why it keeps coming back

It is not though is it.
I have been coming to this forum for years, as well as other forums and other online places reddit for eg and only here and only relatively recently have I heard (seen) people spamming about spell crafting.
Not once in game have i ever heard anyone ask for spell crafting.
I have heard people complain about the lack of difficulty, the lack of class options, pissed off about 1T ruining the in game challenge and longing for the days of old when dark anchors were the greatest and challenging content in the game. I remember people complaining about no crime system, or no thieve and DB guilds, I constantly hear PVP players complain about the lack of fresh content, but only here, on this forum and only within a short period of time, do you hear people complain about the lack of spell crafting.

Melivar

Spellcrafting is a pipe dream that will ultimately cause more problems or would be totally useless. While I would love it something like that just would never work in an MMO only a single player game and that's why it was never brought in initially.

New class is always appreciated as it opens up new things for those who have many characters like myself.

Malthorne

Stinkyremy wrote: »

TinyDragon wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

I agree with most of what you said but spellcrafting is only a meme on this forum. You dont really hear of the idea on any other public arena for ESO, and if you do it is pretty much by forum members "spreading the meme"
It is a meme simply because it is a scrapped idea that has yet to, if ever will, make it into the game so have been spammed about on the forum for a year or so.

I disagree very strongly; it's not a meme, it's an actual desire of people- which is why it keeps coming back

It is not though is it.
I have been coming to this forum for years, as well as other forums and other online places reddit for eg and only here and only relatively recently have I heard (seen) people spamming about spell crafting.
Not once in game have i ever heard anyone ask for spell crafting.
I have heard people complain about the lack of difficulty, the lack of class options, pissed off about 1T ruining the in game challenge and longing for the days of old when dark anchors were the greatest and challenging content in the game. I remember people complaining about no crime system, or no thieve and DB guilds, I constantly hear PVP players complain about the lack of fresh content, but only here, on this forum and only within a short period of time, do you hear people complain about the lack of spell crafting.

https://www.hacktheminotaur.com/eso-guides/eso-spellcrafting-guide

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SOwN01Z5vSc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XY_Ei0VOJU4

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/105yhyk/zos_presentation_on_eso_spellcrafting_from_2014/

Quick google search. All from January. Content creators make content that people will watch. Spellcrafting is wanted by a large portion of players.

Stx

I don’t get all these people that would think spellcrafting would be imbalanced.

Omg frost wardens can have a proper spammable. Omg Necro could have a new source of major crit other than passive skills. Oh no that DK made a new aoe fire spell even though he already has multiple aoe fire spells. That pet sorcerer has a flame atronach instead of a scamp pet. The HORROR.

Cazador

Malthorne wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

TinyDragon wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

I agree with most of what you said but spellcrafting is only a meme on this forum. You dont really hear of the idea on any other public arena for ESO, and if you do it is pretty much by forum members "spreading the meme"
It is a meme simply because it is a scrapped idea that has yet to, if ever will, make it into the game so have been spammed about on the forum for a year or so.

I disagree very strongly; it's not a meme, it's an actual desire of people- which is why it keeps coming back

It is not though is it.
I have been coming to this forum for years, as well as other forums and other online places reddit for eg and only here and only relatively recently have I heard (seen) people spamming about spell crafting.
Not once in game have i ever heard anyone ask for spell crafting.
I have heard people complain about the lack of difficulty, the lack of class options, pissed off about 1T ruining the in game challenge and longing for the days of old when dark anchors were the greatest and challenging content in the game. I remember people complaining about no crime system, or no thieve and DB guilds, I constantly hear PVP players complain about the lack of fresh content, but only here, on this forum and only within a short period of time, do you hear people complain about the lack of spell crafting.

https://www.hacktheminotaur.com/eso-guides/eso-spellcrafting-guide

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SOwN01Z5vSc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XY_Ei0VOJU4

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/105yhyk/zos_presentation_on_eso_spellcrafting_from_2014/

Quick google search. All from January. Content creators make content that people will watch. Spellcrafting is wanted by a large portion of players.

You know, I don't remember seeing many people here asking about spellcrafting until after those videos went up. What I have been seeing for several years are a lot of threads and comments saying "why are we getting x instead of new classes ".

Malthorne

Cazador wrote: »

Malthorne wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

TinyDragon wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

I agree with most of what you said but spellcrafting is only a meme on this forum. You dont really hear of the idea on any other public arena for ESO, and if you do it is pretty much by forum members "spreading the meme"
It is a meme simply because it is a scrapped idea that has yet to, if ever will, make it into the game so have been spammed about on the forum for a year or so.

I disagree very strongly; it's not a meme, it's an actual desire of people- which is why it keeps coming back

It is not though is it.
I have been coming to this forum for years, as well as other forums and other online places reddit for eg and only here and only relatively recently have I heard (seen) people spamming about spell crafting.
Not once in game have i ever heard anyone ask for spell crafting.
I have heard people complain about the lack of difficulty, the lack of class options, pissed off about 1T ruining the in game challenge and longing for the days of old when dark anchors were the greatest and challenging content in the game. I remember people complaining about no crime system, or no thieve and DB guilds, I constantly hear PVP players complain about the lack of fresh content, but only here, on this forum and only within a short period of time, do you hear people complain about the lack of spell crafting.

https://www.hacktheminotaur.com/eso-guides/eso-spellcrafting-guide

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SOwN01Z5vSc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XY_Ei0VOJU4

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/105yhyk/zos_presentation_on_eso_spellcrafting_from_2014/

Quick google search. All from January. Content creators make content that people will watch. Spellcrafting is wanted by a large portion of players.

You know, I don't remember seeing many people here asking about spellcrafting until after those videos went up. What I have been seeing for several years are a lot of threads and comments saying "why are we getting x instead of new classes ".

You guys are moving those goalposts constantly. Spellcrafting has been an incredibly popular topic since 2014.

peacenote

acastanza_ESO wrote: »

A new class is a very welcome addition, but a new class is NOT a "feature", a feature is something that is accessable to existing characters. This ain't it, and billing it as a feature was actively misleading.

Came to say exactly this. To me, it can't be the "most requested feature" because we already have classes. It is an expansion of something we have, not a brand new thing.

I am someone who wanted a new class (with a reservation or two) so I'm not upset but... it feels like it would have been a much better reveal if they had just said something was coming this year that was highly requested and not even said "new feature." Another communication issue. People who were now expecting spell-crafting or something similar will be more disappointed than they needed to be.

"It's a feature, not a bug" is a saying for a reason so obviously feature can be applied in many ways but... in ESO and MMOs I would say there's a specific connotation to it and that's the miss here.

Kiralyn2000

The_Titan_Tim wrote: »

Just watched the ESO segment of the Developer Direct…

I might be crazy, but I’m pretty sure the most requested feature is and will remain Spellcrafting …

Eh, having read the forums for several years, it feels like Spellcrafting wasn't "most requested", but the people who did request it, did so a lot.


(personally, I feel that 'spellcrafting' would be disappointing. They're not going to actually give a robust custom-skill system, that would throw balance out the window and set it on fire. I've seen "custom content" systems in a bunch of MMOs so far. Every single one of them went through the same path: people hyped for it, theorycrafters & min/maxers abuse it to hell and back, it's nerfed into nigh-pointlessness, min/maxers figure out how to still abuse it, it's nerfed into complete pointlessness. You were never going to get Morrowind/Oblivion-style Utterly Broken spellcrafting, and whatever you did get wouldn't last long. It's the nature of multiplayer/online games, especially ones with PvP.)

Kiralyn2000

Malthorne wrote: »

Quick google search. All from January. Content creators make content that people will watch. Spellcrafting is wanted by a large portion of players.

"Content creators" (/eyeroll) make clickbait & rumors, all the better to get more revenue.

Stinkyremy

Kyell wrote: »

First of all ... will the setting of the addon be scary without a hard mode? I think not.
After all, I would like to see crossplay between PC, XBox and Playstation.

I don't think it will ever happen, quite simply because they never intended to

Malthorne wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

TinyDragon wrote: »

Stinkyremy wrote: »

I agree with most of what you said but spellcrafting is only a meme on this forum. You dont really hear of the idea on any other public arena for ESO, and if you do it is pretty much by forum members "spreading the meme"
It is a meme simply because it is a scrapped idea that has yet to, if ever will, make it into the game so have been spammed about on the forum for a year or so.

I disagree very strongly; it's not a meme, it's an actual desire of people- which is why it keeps coming back

It is not though is it.
I have been coming to this forum for years, as well as other forums and other online places reddit for eg and only here and only relatively recently have I heard (seen) people spamming about spell crafting.
Not once in game have i ever heard anyone ask for spell crafting.
I have heard people complain about the lack of difficulty, the lack of class options, pissed off about 1T ruining the in game challenge and longing for the days of old when dark anchors were the greatest and challenging content in the game. I remember people complaining about no crime system, or no thieve and DB guilds, I constantly hear PVP players complain about the lack of fresh content, but only here, on this forum and only within a short period of time, do you hear people complain about the lack of spell crafting.

https://www.hacktheminotaur.com/eso-guides/eso-spellcrafting-guide

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SOwN01Z5vSc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XY_Ei0VOJU4

https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/105yhyk/zos_presentation_on_eso_spellcrafting_from_2014/

Quick google search. All from January. Content creators make content that people will watch. Spellcrafting is wanted by a large portion of players.

Again, just people who are frequent from here, from the recent meme started from here that "all the players want spell crafting"

My search fucntion does not work on this website, but why dont you use it and try to find a thread, or possibly multiple threads from say 2016, or 2018, about people asking for spell crafting....

Posting 2 videos of quite well known youtubers who are making vids about spell crafting, YTer who they themself are on this forum, or heard this "well wanted desire" spread from this forum...isn't exactly proof that this is a highly sought after feature.

w002exp

Personally not excited for a new class. I've been playing the game on and off since launch. I have so much invested in my main now I'm never going to switch. This is something I'll play with for 5-10 hours and then leave on a shelf until writ time comes around again.

Stinkyremy

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA

You search on youtube here and list videos in chronological order "ESO spell crafting"

I was expecting to have to sift through 1000s of YT vids to get to a point in time when you can see this "so called high desire from spell crafting from the ESO community"

Nope, there are 32 video, 19 of them from the last year.

So much for your "most requested feature" that even youtube videos about the subject is less than a full page!

fall0athboy

IronWooshu wrote: »

Heartrage wrote: »

Spellcrafting was hyped recently, but people have begged for a new class for 3 years.

The Necromancer doesn't count?

By the time Arcanist releases, Necromancer will have been out for 4 years.

shadyjane62

Wanted a new class, but this most definitely was not it. Now I will die of old age before a decent new class is made.

peacenote

Stx wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

ZoS has a lot more data to go on than we do here in the forums. I'm guessing new class was at the top of what players who answered the polls ZoS sends out wanted.

Don’t trust ‘hidden’ data. Trust data you can see, and know the source of. The eye test from reading the forums, content creators videos and comment sections, as well as 3rd party polls, spellcrafting was the most requested and it wasn’t close. More difficult overland was second, and new class was third. New weapon lines were close fourth.

I still think it is bad wording and comparing apples and oranges. On the forums people often compare a new class to a new weapon to new skill lines. Those are adding on to things we already have... ways to enhance combat or have different combat experiences, but the fact that we have different weapon, skill lines, and classes is, in some ways, taken for granted. That's why these are often grouped together. It's assumed that we will periodically get a new "something" in this space. Rarely a year went by when we did not, especially if you count the vampire rework. This is also why we see polls on a regular basis saying "WHICH class" would be fun, not if we should get one over something else. Requests for new classes have gone down since the discussions about how there was no room in the game for new animations, so I think expectations lowered and people stopped asking as much... but that also got rolled into the general discontent from not getting these things plus the U33/U35 debacles. Also, I think the way AwA was handled greatly reduced hope (but not desire) for a new class, as a new class at this point in the game kind of goes along with creating alts, and for many things to work towards on alts have been removed, making them less fun to contemplate.

Spellcrafting, overland overhaul, etc. would potentially be brand new systems which we haven't seen before... like when housing, battlegrounds, Tales of Tribute, etc. were added. But many people (myself included) wouldn't, I think, debate whether a new class or a new system is more desired. I'd expect an enhancement to combat (new class or skill line) AND a new system almost each release, personally. Not from an entitlement standpoint, but more because ZOS set that expectation with how they grew the game. It just seemed like that was the formula to keep the game fresh and exciting.

Depending on how in-depth the new dungeon feature is, I'd say we've seen a return to that formula. And it probably doesn't rule spellcrafting in the future in or out (although I don't think we're getting it for a variety of reasons) but if ever we did get it I'd expect it to come in a year coupled with a new weapon line or something. I am sorry for those of you who were hoping for spellcrafting as I do agree many people have been asking for it for a long time.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

Oh my god.

How absolutely LAME. You already have a Sorcerer and a Necromancer to choose from when it comes to arcane magic users.

That base was already covered. People have been asking for Monks (or at least fist weapons) for YEARS. And polearms and thrown weapons, just to name a few.

But, no. Instead of something different that fills a hole that is VERY much missing, you're getting a third arcane spellcaster.

Heartrage

When doing a search in the general forums, "new class" shows 11 785 results while "spellcrafting" gets 2267 and "spell crafting" gets 3241 results (5508 total).

This is not a perfect way to measure how popular one idea is of course. However, with more than twice the amount of discussions going on about spellcrafting, I think it would be naive to think that new classes can’t be as or more popular than spellcrafting.

Rageypoo

Make class change a lore friendly thing, so we can do it naturally in-game!