What is the point of the ESO Forum?

Captain_Devildog

I'm curious what is the actual reason that there is a forum for eso?

1. Alot of things are getting moved to other category's that nobody is looking.
2. We don't get any response on anything the community is posting.
3. A few people on this forum will nail you down once they find out your opinion is different then Zos.
4. Freedom of speech is not really a thing here.

So what is the deal with the ESO Forum?

DDiggler

Hey there m8,

After further review "WE" have decided to move this thread to another category that is more appropriate for the topic in discussion.

Peace

rpa

[snip] Discussing about state of game on forums is one of the endgmes.

[edited for baiting]

opalcity

It's for players of ESO to talk about ESO.

1. Things get moved to appropriate categories if they are posted in the wrong category.

2. Whilst it would be nice to get more interaction from the people who make the decisions, they're under no obligation to interact with us.

3. You're entitled to your opinion, other people are entitled to theirs. If you just want an echochamber where only your opinions are heard and agreed with, maybe create a subreddit or a discord.

4. You're right. It doesn't apply here, because this is a forum created by a company, and you have to abide by the rules of that company. Rules that you agreed to when you agreed to the terms and conditions. Freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence.

Captain_Devildog

opalcity wrote: »

It's for players of ESO to talk about ESO.

1. Things get moved to appropriate categories if they are posted in the wrong category.

2. Whilst it would be nice to get more interaction from the people who make the decisions, they're under no obligation to interact with us.

3. You're entitled to your opinion, other people are entitled to theirs. If you just want an echochamber where only your opinions are heard and agreed with, maybe create a subreddit or a discord.

4. You're right. It doesn't apply here, because this is a forum created by a company, and you have to abide by the rules of that company. Rules that you agreed to when you agreed to the terms and conditions. Freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence.

Mweh.. not convinced with this info..

bmnoble

Gives you a place to see info/talk with other people about the game which is appreciated for people like me that have zero desire to use social media.

Gives players a place to read the patch notes and view @BenevolentBowd threads about the golden/luxury vendors each week.

Captain_Devildog

bmnoble wrote: »

Gives you a place to see info/talk with other people about the game which is appreciated for people like me that have zero desire to use social media.

Gives players a place to read the patch notes and view @BenevolentBowd threads about the golden/luxury vendors each week.

Oh yeah talk about the game with other people.. you can that everywhere..

jaws343

If you aren't using the RECENT feature of the forums, you aren't using the forums correctly.

Free Speech is a GOVERNMENT thing, not a private company. The sooner people understand that, the sooner we can lose these nonsense complaints around it.

SeaGtGruff

Captain_Devildog wrote: »

4. Freedom of speech is not really a thing here.

opalcity wrote: »

4. You're right. It doesn't apply here, because this is a forum created by a company, and you have to abide by the rules of that company. Rules that you agreed to when you agreed to the terms and conditions. Freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence.

Actually, when you consider the amount of bellyaching towards the game and the company that is permitted to go on in these forums, it's difficult to understand how anyone could reasonably think that they aren't free to voice their opinions here. As long as they don't bash, bait, promote conspiracy theories, or otherwise break the TOS and COC, they're pretty free to bellyache to their heart's content.

DDiggler

opalcity wrote: »

4. You're right. It doesn't apply here, because this is a forum created by a company, and you have to abide by the rules of that company. Rules that you agreed to when you agreed to the terms and conditions.

Ahh the good old bli**ard copy paste mail response. If you played one of their games you know what i mean.

The "you agreed to our terms" argument only shrinks the playerbase. Everyone who sees a problem with the game starts leaving because they see their opinion will not be taken seriously. This is an online game. It needs a lot of players to be enjoyable for anyone. Dont play it if you dont like it approach kills the playerbase and its always cringe to see it come from another player.

Thormar

What is the point of the ESO Forum?

To let us discuss stuff about ESO.
And what aspects of ESO can we discuss?
It's all nicely outlined in the sub-categories.
Gen-Discussion, combat, housing, lore, PTS, news, maintenance announcements, etc.
And since this is a private forum, all of us here by invitation, it is expected that our discussions adhere to the code of conduct.

dmnqwk

Captain_Devildog wrote: »

I'm curious what is the actual reason that there is a forum for eso?

1. Alot of things are getting moved to other category's that nobody is looking.
2. We don't get any response on anything the community is posting.
3. A few people on this forum will nail you down once they find out your opinion is different then Zos.
4. Freedom of speech is not really a thing here.

So what is the deal with the ESO Forum?

Firstly, the aims of the forums is to foster ideas and share knowledge among people - to grow a community.
What a lot of people tend towards is the ideology of 'a forum is a soapbox where i can get grievances off my chest'. For example, a dialogue leaning towards one side of an agenda (like jabs) would be a bad thing if the opposing viewpoints were not allowed to post as well - it would lead to the officials who read the forum to get a skewed idea of the issues and maybe change their design plans.

Freedom of speech is not the idea that 'you can say what you like, no matter who it insults nor who disagrees with you' it is simply the ability to speak openly and the GOVERNMENT wont get you for it. If a private citizen disagrees with your point of view and kicks you off their property, you wouldn't expect to be able to call the cops and have them bust down the door so you can continue on their private property.

No, freedom of speech isn't a thing here because this isn't the government - it's a private company who follow the laws of the land. Where ZoS are, there's no law demanding they let anyone say anything they like without repercussion... that's called tyranny and is not good. Also ZoS let a lot of complaints against them flow, in the hope it leads to a positive outcome... and they only shut down that which devolves into muck slinging... which is far better than many companies would consider doing.

(Oh, also, the things get moved because they're subjective and there is no objective measurement possible for them so while you may disagree with their assessment it's a person making the assessment not a machine, so there is no direct right or wrong answer to it).

SPR_of_HA_community

Just post for fun ? )

I do not know already )))

SirLeeMinion

Captain_Devildog wrote: »

I'm curious what is the actual reason that there is a forum for eso?
...
So what is the deal with the ESO Forum?

The forums are a mid-game activity. Most posters have played enough to understand the game and have some good suggestions, but not quite long enough to realize that nobody cares.

Remember when you were 5 years old and you thought you were playing that video game in the mall? You hadn't put a token in, but every so often the car on the screen would coincidentally move when you turned the wheel. The forums are like that. Enjoy!

Urzigurumash

It's for postin cute pics of Glorgoloch, handsomest Patrolling Horror of all, let's see em folks

Lady_Galadhiel

You got an awesome from me OP.

Kiralyn2000

Captain_Devildog wrote: »

I'm curious what is the actual reason that there is a forum for eso?

Lots of discussion on ESO-related topics. Which happens all the time.

1. Alot of things are getting moved to other category's that nobody is looking.

I'm pretty sure that's the work of a new moderator, since it rarely happened like this in the past, and seems to happen in discrete waves now (when they're on duty?)

2. We don't get any response on anything the community is posting.

Direct responses from devs/etc is rare on most of the game forums I've participated in over the last decade. That's not what I expect from forums.

4. Freedom of speech is not really a thing here.

Just like is isn't on any other privately-owned forums (whether that "forum" is an online message board or a stage at an auditorium). There are rules, TOS, etc, and as long as you stay within those you can post just about anything.

Varana

What else would you do when PC-EU is down???

Also, after INCINERATION BEETLES, and THE STINGER, there comes this thread.

SaffronCitrusflower

jaws343 wrote: »

If you aren't using the RECENT feature of the forums, you aren't using the forums correctly.

Free Speech is a GOVERNMENT thing, not a private company. The sooner people understand that, the sooner we can lose these nonsense complaints around it.

What's the problem with open, honest, factually accurate discussions? Even if the topic might not reflect great on the company, aren't free discussions the best way to become aware of and fix problems?

Billium813

[snip] PTS/Bug/General gives players an outlet for venting their frustrations, [snip]

[edited for conspiracy theory]

goldenarcher1

Captain_Devildog wrote: »

I'm curious what is the actual reason that there is a forum for eso?

So what is the deal with the ESO Forum?

To have as many polls as possible?

jaws343

SizanLopkniht wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

If you aren't using the RECENT feature of the forums, you aren't using the forums correctly.

Free Speech is a GOVERNMENT thing, not a private company. The sooner people understand that, the sooner we can lose these nonsense complaints around it.

What's the problem with open, honest, factually accurate discussions? Even if the topic might not reflect great on the company, aren't free discussions the best way to become aware of and fix problems?

Nothing is necessarily wrong with that. But that isn't free speech, as ZOS is not a government institution.

This is a private forum, and Zos can manage it how they see fit. And frankly, limiting bashing for the sake of bashing is not inherently a bad thing. And many, many, many posts in these forums devolve into bashing other users or Zos for the sake of pats on the back from other community members.

It serves no purpose, provides no actionable feedback. It's just a gripe fest. And those are, more often than not, the discussions that get shut down. Not the ones with actual criticism and legitimate discussion. There are plenty of threads, daily, that discuss problems with the game and the company that stay open as they remain civil. But, it is also a constant that posters who only open threads to bash are the ones always complaining when their threads get shut down. It's always the same tones and direction taken with the thread, and bunch of useless ranting that provides zero value for anyone in the community.

Jarl_Ironheart

Captain_Devildog wrote: »

I'm curious what is the actual reason that there is a forum for eso?

1. Alot of things are getting moved to other category's that nobody is looking.
2. We don't get any response on anything the community is posting.
3. A few people on this forum will nail you down once they find out your opinion is different then Zos.
4. Freedom of speech is not really a thing here.

So what is the deal with the ESO Forum?

Freedom of speech doesn't apply here. This is a international forum and that rule only applies to American public. Plus freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say what you want with no consequences.

This is a place where people who like the game come together to discuss things, vent, etc. And people are gonna have different opinions, but its good to have your opinion challenge since it's just that, a opinion not fact. Me and my friends don't agree on alot of things but we get along like family.

Androrix

I don't think a developer sponsored forum should be a place to just bash the game. I really don't want to see another "After x years I am quitting, and here's some bile on my way out" thread. Or another "U35 isn't what I wanted so I am quitting and so are all my friends" thread. Or "here's my nasty review of this silly game" thread.

Constructive criticism is good. But plain old game bashing is dispiriting. Go review the game on steam. The forums are for people who want to play and discuss it.

Melivar

To engage in discussion and to gather information and at times just to vent. Also a great distraction while getting some ESO during the work day.

Billium813

ZOS_Icy wrote: »

Greetings,

We have recently removed some unnecessary back and forth from this thread. This is a reminder to keep the discussion civil and constructive. Please keep our Community Rules in mind moving forward.

Thank you for your understanding.

Please just kill this thread, there is nothing constructive to be had here. The whole topic was started from a conspiracy theory.

Dojohoda

ESO Forums - The Gud, The Bad, and The Ugly

[insert movie poster but switch out Mr. Eastwood with Glorgoloch's head and the other two actors with Glorgoloch's left shoulder and right shoulder. Keep the hats.]

Captain_Devildog

ZOS_Icy wrote: »

Greetings,

We have recently removed some unnecessary back and forth from this thread. This is a reminder to keep the discussion civil and constructive. Please keep our Community Rules in mind moving forward.

Thank you for your understanding.

Thankyou it was indeed going nowhere

ixthUA

From my point of view.
Forums can be addicting.
Some people refresh forums frequently ("recent" button), waiting to read something new and comment on it. If they dont do so - brain stops producing endorphin and dopamine, making people feel less happy, increasingly, up to the point of being sad.
So forums are their way of being happy.

Ilsabet

It's pretty good for posting ongoing fanfiction.

Captain_Devildog

I see alot of comments that are really defensive, not answers on my question. It's really sad.. the assumptions been made have no evidence about anything that is happening.. it would be nice to have a conversion with somebody about the subject.