MAGICKAS! WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM !!! MAGICKAS !!!! (Healers too, Where is the balance?)

Astin_nds

FriendlyGuy wrote: »

Astin_nds wrote: »

FriendlyGuy wrote: »

Allmost all burst heals and class heals are magicka based, so you have that going for you. Stamina basically only has vigor as a reliable heal so it is fine that it didnt get nerfed in the end. Healing on magicka specs will just be different but not worse at all. Stamina will rely on vigor while magicka will use class burst heals. As a magicka based spec you can still use vigor, just not that often. A strong vigor also allows classes like sorc to not be forced to run resto backbar which is honestly a good thing.

I hope you're saying it ironically... Well, as has already been said to heal us with magic THERE ARE NO... only those of a class, and there is only 1 per class and of a high cost bad for spam heal xD.
Which means that the staminas will have their VIGOR and they will have their class skill and they are not forced to change their backbar to rest staff , ah ! and got x2 heal more than me with only 1 skill in 4 s and i need 2 skills.. with more than 5 seconds
So I have to force myself to use backbar rest staff, that I have to get used to that it heals half in 5 seconds, that is, in 1 more than in VIGOR xD and would I need 2 slots of 2 heals to heal me the same? , healing over time is very, very important ... emm I'll say it again I hope you say it sarcastically , when currently on the live they both heal exactly the same is how it should be even with the rest of the staff against because I could put on an ice staff plus a healing WHICH USE MAGICKA (there is not only the rest of the staff) and have more blocking with my ice staff, but no, it forces me to the rest of the staff and on top of that half of the healing...
for the 3rd time I hope you are speaking in irony...

Not at all. On top of that it is not hard to sustain vigor on mag specs if you do it smart. I rly dont know where this panic comes from. Magplars,magcros and magdk have no issue healing at all even without vigor or resto. Nb and sorcs have quit *** heals. Nerfing vigor would hurt them way more than the other classes , regardless of stam or mag and would 100% force them to run resto backbar on top of vigor.

But maybe think the other way around. Where would stamina be without a strong vigor? Spamming magicka heals 4times and then die? You said it yourself , they cant be spammed , even less on stam specs.

At last i also wanted to say that this patch has alot of issues (by far the worst patch ive ever seen so far) but vigor healing is rly not.
If you wanna know the real healing issue: look at maras balm set. Slap it on and be unkillabe. This set alone will reduce build diversity far more than any other „healing inbalances“. In my opinion reason enough to not play (at least pvp) next patch.

Ps: i mostly play mag classes and was rly glad to see vigor getting buffed again, gives me more options for my builds

Let's see if it is clear, NOBODY, absolutely NOBODY is saying that vigor needs a BUFF or a DEBUFF, we are saying that both YOU and I should be able to play calmly with equal conditions, for this we would need to BALANCE, regeneration ONLY REGENERATION, Well, if it were For me I would leave the game AS IT IS because currently on the live server it is quite good and I would leave this patch thrown in the trash because it is a very bad idea, and all the healing and everything normal, We are complaining that CASUALLY Vigor AND Regeneration ( Rapid and Resolve ), heal EXACTLY the same with very little difference, since regeneration has been lowered by 40% and Vigor! is the same on top of getting minor buff? ,. what happens to the others? We want equality, NOT destroying Vigor or destroying Regeneration, neither classes nor ANYTHING. I hope this is clear because it seems that we are attacking Vigor and I said above that it is a VERY GOOD CHANGE but we magickas need the change too! , understood? -.-

AlterBlika

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

Mirage doesn't give evasion and resolve anymore instead it reduces cost of roll dodge so vigor change might make up for that

As I remember, they didn't remove evasion and resolve completely. Only added cost reduction. If that was true, the skill would surely be trash, because it wouldn't be even worth it to cast.

Astin_nds

AlterBlika wrote: »

Astin_nds wrote: »

the thing is that those of us who use magicka are left out, do they force us to stop being magicka to heal ourselves?

Don't magickas have class heals costing magicka? Or they all are now inferior to vigor? If this is the case then it's sad.

Yes actually with that VIGOR is the most Powerfull bomb of heal , the magicka have rapid regeneration but give -40% heal and dont give minor buff... that is the thing... we rapid regen good too ... equal than vigor got it -.- , actualy on live server Vigor and rapid regen , heal the same , but dont give any buff only heal

IAmIcehouse

Why can't primary magicka based toons run a stamina skill? If you're not using a combination of both your resource pools, you're doing something wrong.

BalticBlues

Sorry ZOS, but...
This issue alone is proof that the 202x COMBAT devs have no clue about balance.

Issue 1:
Since Spring 2022, Healing scales with damage, not Magicka anymore.
This made (Stam) DDs the strongest healers and dedicated (Magicka) healers are GIMPED.
DDs can heal so strong now that even vetDungeon groups prefer 3DD plus Tank.
THIS FALSE DECISION IS THE SOURCE OF ALL HEALING BALANCE FAILURES IN 2022.

Issue 2:
To wear a Resto staff for group healing, Magicka user have to SACRIFICE AN ENTIRE BAR.
With Echoing Vigor, Stamina users can group heal and still use TWO ATTACK BARS.

Issue 3:
In Autumn 2022, with a massive -40% Radiant Regeneration NERF,
Magicka group healing gets even more GIMPED.
Where is a similar -40% Nerf for Echoing Vigor?

Update 35 gimps Magicka healing so much, that Magicka players even may be forced to use Vigor.
HOWEVER, THERE IS NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR.

WHY NEED MAGICKA USERS A RESTO STAFF FOR GROUP HEALING, STAM USERS NOT?
WHY IS THERE NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR, BUT EVEN TWO FOR STAMINA?
WHY IS MAGICKA GROUP HEALING NERFED HARD IN UPD35 AND STAM GROUP HEALING NOT?
WHY IS MAG GETTING WORSE AND WORSE IN 2022 WHEN STAM RULED PVP ALREADY IN 2021?

Apart from DKs and Templars, I do not see any MagClasses viable in PvP anymore.

Caribou77

PVP Magsorc here. My only class heal is matriarch and opponents consistently kill her quickly and easily, so half the time when I hit my heal button I get locked into the 2-3 second summoning matriarch animation and zero heal.

My stamina based opponents seem to love smacking me with dizzy swings and executioner when this happens.

I would love an effective class or even magicka based heal that would reliably heal me when I need it.

Whoever is calling the shots for the ZOS dev team lately DOES NOT PLAY OR UNDERSTAND PVP.

Class balance is out of the question these days.

Astin_nds

BalticBlues wrote: »

Sorry ZOS, but...
This issue alone is proof that the 202x COMBAT devs have no clue about PvP balance.

Issue 1:
Since Spring 2022, Healing scales with damage, not Magicka anymore.
This made Stam DDs the strongest healers and dedicated (Magicka) healers are GIMPED.
DDs can heal so strong now that even vetDungeon groups now prefer 3DD plus Tank.

Issue 2:
To wear a Resto staff for group healing, Magicka user have to SACRIFICE A ASLOT.
With Echoing Vigor, Stamina users can group heal and still use TWO ATTACK SLOTS.

Issue 3:
In Autumn 2022, with a massive -40% Radiant Regeneration NERF,
Magicka group healing gets even more GIMPED.
Where is a similar -40% Nerf for Echoing Vigor?

Update 35 gimps Magicka healing so much, that Magicka players even may be forced to use Vigor.
HOWEVER, THERE IS NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR.

WHY NEED MAGICKA USERS A RESTO STAFF FOR GROUP HEALING, STAM USERS NOT?
WHY IS THERE NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR, BUT EVEN TWO FOR STAMINA?
WHY IS MAGICKA GROUP HEALING NERFED HARD IN UPD35 AND STAM GROUP HEALING NOT?
WHY IS MAG GETTING WORSE AND WORSE IN 2022 WHEN STAM RULED PVP ALREADY IN 2021?

Apart from DKs and Templars, I do not see any MagClasses viable in PvP anymore.

Now staminas hv a good executioner , goot % dmg when got low hp , good sustain , good dmg , good heal with vigor now add minor buff xDDD super necesary ,
Magickas , Decent dmg but not the best , bad executioners or 0 viables , regular sustain , NOW Very very bad heal , and... 0 added buffs .... NICE... super equal ....

IAmIcehouse

xDeusEJRx wrote: »

AlterBlika wrote: »

I actually looked forward to using the new resolving vigor on my solo build, as the only source of major resolve for my stam nb is balance which debuffs my heals and shields. But now I'm not so sure. For minor resolve I'd rather run mirage and get major evasion as well as spending magicka instead of my primary resource.

Mirage doesn't give evasion and resolve anymore instead it reduces cost of roll dodge so vigor change might make up for that

It does both.

Alchimiste1

"play how you want"

- as long as its hybrid if you want to be viable lol

Vetixio

It's been Elder Stamina Online for years now I'm not surprised by this 'balance' change.

Astin_nds

Vetixio wrote: »

It's been Elder Stamina Online for years now I'm not surprised by this 'balance' change.

Tatally !! StaminaCRoll edition online

Extinct_Solo_Player

Vetixio wrote: »

It's been Elder Stamina Online for years now I'm not surprised by this 'balance' change.

The top specs in this game are magicka, you are all too biased obviously....

Astin_nds wrote: »

Currently I have seen that Vigor has become "normal", and it will heal "normal",


That is very good... but let's remember that this skill only uses stamina... which benefits hybrids a little and stamina quite a bit... but what about the magicka? , the counterpart of vigor in magicka could be said to be rapid regeneration, since they are very similar and one is from magicka and the other is from stamina... but of course rapid regeneration has a nerf to half healing... ummm hello? what do we magicka do when the beautiful staminas goes BOOM!! vigor !! , +heal nice , migcka booom!! rapid regeneration.... emmm only the hafl of vigor? and this can heal other guy first before me?... I see a serious problem with magicka, if vigor is "normal", rapid regeneration or complete regeneration must be "NORMAL" .. please And thanks... always the same with vigor vigor vigor, of course as most use this, nothing, to the magicka that give us with our 14k 17k stamina launch a vigor and when blocking not having stamina and going to the well... PLEASE REPAIR THIS, although it would not be bad if vigor will use magicka if your spell dmg is higher than your weapon dmg , even though it's easier to return to "normal" regeneration.... and now it gives minor resolve .!! give minor resolve to regeneration too!! BALANCE!!! MAGICKA = PLAYERS , STAMINAS = PLAYERS!!!! , or vigor that uses magicka too with spell dmg more hig than wp dmg come on..

+add , repid regeneration need 100% a resto staff sloted , vigor no....

MAGICKAS! WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM !!

Rapid regeneration heals a 2nd target and vigor is only single target. Also explain to me how resto isn't already one of the best back bar weapons in the game, it has insane resource return when fully charging a heavy attack and has access major mending, Both morphs of regeneration have been overperforming for quite a while (rapid regeneration outheals vigor on live) what they could do is make rapid regen single target only, revert the heal reduction and keep the 50% healing increase under 100% hp. By the way, it's not hard to sustain stamina on a magicka spec at all, for reference i have 1500 stam regen just by using gold food regen cp and potion buff.

Vetixio

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

It's been Elder Stamina Online for years now I'm not surprised by this 'balance' change.

The top specs in this game are magicka, you are all too biased obviously....

Astin_nds wrote: »

Currently I have seen that Vigor has become "normal", and it will heal "normal",


That is very good... but let's remember that this skill only uses stamina... which benefits hybrids a little and stamina quite a bit... but what about the magicka? , the counterpart of vigor in magicka could be said to be rapid regeneration, since they are very similar and one is from magicka and the other is from stamina... but of course rapid regeneration has a nerf to half healing... ummm hello? what do we magicka do when the beautiful staminas goes BOOM!! vigor !! , +heal nice , migcka booom!! rapid regeneration.... emmm only the hafl of vigor? and this can heal other guy first before me?... I see a serious problem with magicka, if vigor is "normal", rapid regeneration or complete regeneration must be "NORMAL" .. please And thanks... always the same with vigor vigor vigor, of course as most use this, nothing, to the magicka that give us with our 14k 17k stamina launch a vigor and when blocking not having stamina and going to the well... PLEASE REPAIR THIS, although it would not be bad if vigor will use magicka if your spell dmg is higher than your weapon dmg , even though it's easier to return to "normal" regeneration.... and now it gives minor resolve .!! give minor resolve to regeneration too!! BALANCE!!! MAGICKA = PLAYERS , STAMINAS = PLAYERS!!!! , or vigor that uses magicka too with spell dmg more hig than wp dmg come on..

+add , repid regeneration need 100% a resto staff sloted , vigor no....

MAGICKAS! WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM !!

Rapid regeneration heals a 2nd target and vigor is only single target. Also explain to me how resto isn't already one of the best back bar weapons in the game, it has insane resource return when fully charging a heavy attack and has access major mending, Both morphs of regeneration have been overperforming for quite a while (rapid regeneration outheals vigor on live) what they could do is make rapid regen single target only, revert the heal reduction and keep the 50% healing increase under 100% hp. By the way, it's not hard to sustain stamina on a magicka spec at all, for reference i have 1500 stam regen just by using gold food regen cp and potion buff.

Magicka top in PvP? Its not 2015 anymore lol.

Extinct_Solo_Player

Vetixio wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

It's been Elder Stamina Online for years now I'm not surprised by this 'balance' change.

The top specs in this game are magicka, you are all too biased obviously....

Astin_nds wrote: »

Currently I have seen that Vigor has become "normal", and it will heal "normal",


That is very good... but let's remember that this skill only uses stamina... which benefits hybrids a little and stamina quite a bit... but what about the magicka? , the counterpart of vigor in magicka could be said to be rapid regeneration, since they are very similar and one is from magicka and the other is from stamina... but of course rapid regeneration has a nerf to half healing... ummm hello? what do we magicka do when the beautiful staminas goes BOOM!! vigor !! , +heal nice , migcka booom!! rapid regeneration.... emmm only the hafl of vigor? and this can heal other guy first before me?... I see a serious problem with magicka, if vigor is "normal", rapid regeneration or complete regeneration must be "NORMAL" .. please And thanks... always the same with vigor vigor vigor, of course as most use this, nothing, to the magicka that give us with our 14k 17k stamina launch a vigor and when blocking not having stamina and going to the well... PLEASE REPAIR THIS, although it would not be bad if vigor will use magicka if your spell dmg is higher than your weapon dmg , even though it's easier to return to "normal" regeneration.... and now it gives minor resolve .!! give minor resolve to regeneration too!! BALANCE!!! MAGICKA = PLAYERS , STAMINAS = PLAYERS!!!! , or vigor that uses magicka too with spell dmg more hig than wp dmg come on..

+add , repid regeneration need 100% a resto staff sloted , vigor no....

MAGICKAS! WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM !!

Rapid regeneration heals a 2nd target and vigor is only single target. Also explain to me how resto isn't already one of the best back bar weapons in the game, it has insane resource return when fully charging a heavy attack and has access major mending, Both morphs of regeneration have been overperforming for quite a while (rapid regeneration outheals vigor on live) what they could do is make rapid regen single target only, revert the heal reduction and keep the 50% healing increase under 100% hp. By the way, it's not hard to sustain stamina on a magicka spec at all, for reference i have 1500 stam regen just by using gold food regen cp and potion buff.

Magicka top in PvP? Its not 2015 anymore lol.

Ok then, explain to me what the top classes are, and how all stamina skills are better than their magicka counterparts.

Extinct_Solo_Player

BalticBlues wrote: »

Sorry ZOS, but...
This issue alone is proof that the 202x COMBAT devs have no clue about balance.

Issue 1:
Since Spring 2022, Healing scales with damage, not Magicka anymore.
This made (Stam) DDs the strongest healers and dedicated (Magicka) healers are GIMPED.
DDs can heal so strong now that even vetDungeon groups prefer 3DD plus Tank.
THIS FALSE DECISION IS THE SOURCE OF ALL HEALING BALANCE FAILURES IN 2022.

Issue 2:
To wear a Resto staff for group healing, Magicka user have to SACRIFICE AN ENTIRE BAR.
With Echoing Vigor, Stamina users can group heal and still use TWO ATTACK BARS.

Issue 3:
In Autumn 2022, with a massive -40% Radiant Regeneration NERF,
Magicka group healing gets even more GIMPED.
Where is a similar -40% Nerf for Echoing Vigor?

Update 35 gimps Magicka healing so much, that Magicka players even may be forced to use Vigor.
HOWEVER, THERE IS NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR.

WHY NEED MAGICKA USERS A RESTO STAFF FOR GROUP HEALING, STAM USERS NOT?
WHY IS THERE NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR, BUT EVEN TWO FOR STAMINA?
WHY IS MAGICKA GROUP HEALING NERFED HARD IN UPD35 AND STAM GROUP HEALING NOT?
WHY IS MAG GETTING WORSE AND WORSE IN 2022 WHEN STAM RULED PVP ALREADY IN 2021?

Apart from DKs and Templars, I do not see any MagClasses viable in PvP anymore.

Radiating regeneration still heals for more than echoing vigor on PTS. Let me guess, you didn't even test both before reaching this conclusion?

Extinct_Solo_Player

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

Sorry ZOS, but...
This issue alone is proof that the 202x COMBAT devs have no clue about balance.

Issue 1:
Since Spring 2022, Healing scales with damage, not Magicka anymore.
This made (Stam) DDs the strongest healers and dedicated (Magicka) healers are GIMPED.
DDs can heal so strong now that even vetDungeon groups prefer 3DD plus Tank.
THIS FALSE DECISION IS THE SOURCE OF ALL HEALING BALANCE FAILURES IN 2022.

Issue 2:
To wear a Resto staff for group healing, Magicka user have to SACRIFICE AN ENTIRE BAR.
With Echoing Vigor, Stamina users can group heal and still use TWO ATTACK BARS.

Issue 3:
In Autumn 2022, with a massive -40% Radiant Regeneration NERF,
Magicka group healing gets even more GIMPED.
Where is a similar -40% Nerf for Echoing Vigor?

Update 35 gimps Magicka healing so much, that Magicka players even may be forced to use Vigor.
HOWEVER, THERE IS NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR.

WHY NEED MAGICKA USERS A RESTO STAFF FOR GROUP HEALING, STAM USERS NOT?
WHY IS THERE NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR, BUT EVEN TWO FOR STAMINA?
WHY IS MAGICKA GROUP HEALING NERFED HARD IN UPD35 AND STAM GROUP HEALING NOT?
WHY IS MAG GETTING WORSE AND WORSE IN 2022 WHEN STAM RULED PVP ALREADY IN 2021?

Apart from DKs and Templars, I do not see any MagClasses viable in PvP anymore.

Radiating regeneration still heals for more than echoing vigor on PTS. Let me guess, you didn't even test both before reaching to this conclusion?

Edit** For some reason i cannot upload the comparison images between both

Vetixio

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

It's been Elder Stamina Online for years now I'm not surprised by this 'balance' change.

The top specs in this game are magicka, you are all too biased obviously....

Astin_nds wrote: »

Currently I have seen that Vigor has become "normal", and it will heal "normal",


That is very good... but let's remember that this skill only uses stamina... which benefits hybrids a little and stamina quite a bit... but what about the magicka? , the counterpart of vigor in magicka could be said to be rapid regeneration, since they are very similar and one is from magicka and the other is from stamina... but of course rapid regeneration has a nerf to half healing... ummm hello? what do we magicka do when the beautiful staminas goes BOOM!! vigor !! , +heal nice , migcka booom!! rapid regeneration.... emmm only the hafl of vigor? and this can heal other guy first before me?... I see a serious problem with magicka, if vigor is "normal", rapid regeneration or complete regeneration must be "NORMAL" .. please And thanks... always the same with vigor vigor vigor, of course as most use this, nothing, to the magicka that give us with our 14k 17k stamina launch a vigor and when blocking not having stamina and going to the well... PLEASE REPAIR THIS, although it would not be bad if vigor will use magicka if your spell dmg is higher than your weapon dmg , even though it's easier to return to "normal" regeneration.... and now it gives minor resolve .!! give minor resolve to regeneration too!! BALANCE!!! MAGICKA = PLAYERS , STAMINAS = PLAYERS!!!! , or vigor that uses magicka too with spell dmg more hig than wp dmg come on..

+add , repid regeneration need 100% a resto staff sloted , vigor no....

MAGICKAS! WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM !!

Rapid regeneration heals a 2nd target and vigor is only single target. Also explain to me how resto isn't already one of the best back bar weapons in the game, it has insane resource return when fully charging a heavy attack and has access major mending, Both morphs of regeneration have been overperforming for quite a while (rapid regeneration outheals vigor on live) what they could do is make rapid regen single target only, revert the heal reduction and keep the 50% healing increase under 100% hp. By the way, it's not hard to sustain stamina on a magicka spec at all, for reference i have 1500 stam regen just by using gold food regen cp and potion buff.

Magicka top in PvP? Its not 2015 anymore lol.

Ok then, explain to me what the top classes are, and how all stamina skills are better than their magicka counterparts.

Stamina classes have higher burst, higher damage, cheaper skills, no debuffs on their armor type (Medium Armor), better weapons, better armor sets, a strong self heal which will now give Minor Resolve (Vigor) without having to slot a mediocre support weapon (Resto Staff) so yeah I think Stam has it better than Magicka and have for a while now in PvP and even in PvE.

Extinct_Solo_Player

Vetixio wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

It's been Elder Stamina Online for years now I'm not surprised by this 'balance' change.

The top specs in this game are magicka, you are all too biased obviously....

Astin_nds wrote: »

Currently I have seen that Vigor has become "normal", and it will heal "normal",


That is very good... but let's remember that this skill only uses stamina... which benefits hybrids a little and stamina quite a bit... but what about the magicka? , the counterpart of vigor in magicka could be said to be rapid regeneration, since they are very similar and one is from magicka and the other is from stamina... but of course rapid regeneration has a nerf to half healing... ummm hello? what do we magicka do when the beautiful staminas goes BOOM!! vigor !! , +heal nice , migcka booom!! rapid regeneration.... emmm only the hafl of vigor? and this can heal other guy first before me?... I see a serious problem with magicka, if vigor is "normal", rapid regeneration or complete regeneration must be "NORMAL" .. please And thanks... always the same with vigor vigor vigor, of course as most use this, nothing, to the magicka that give us with our 14k 17k stamina launch a vigor and when blocking not having stamina and going to the well... PLEASE REPAIR THIS, although it would not be bad if vigor will use magicka if your spell dmg is higher than your weapon dmg , even though it's easier to return to "normal" regeneration.... and now it gives minor resolve .!! give minor resolve to regeneration too!! BALANCE!!! MAGICKA = PLAYERS , STAMINAS = PLAYERS!!!! , or vigor that uses magicka too with spell dmg more hig than wp dmg come on..

+add , repid regeneration need 100% a resto staff sloted , vigor no....

MAGICKAS! WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM !!

Rapid regeneration heals a 2nd target and vigor is only single target. Also explain to me how resto isn't already one of the best back bar weapons in the game, it has insane resource return when fully charging a heavy attack and has access major mending, Both morphs of regeneration have been overperforming for quite a while (rapid regeneration outheals vigor on live) what they could do is make rapid regen single target only, revert the heal reduction and keep the 50% healing increase under 100% hp. By the way, it's not hard to sustain stamina on a magicka spec at all, for reference i have 1500 stam regen just by using gold food regen cp and potion buff.

Magicka top in PvP? Its not 2015 anymore lol.

Ok then, explain to me what the top classes are, and how all stamina skills are better than their magicka counterparts.

Stamina classes have higher burst, higher damage, cheaper skills, no debuffs on their armor type (Medium Armor), better weapons a strong self heal (Vigor) without having to slot a mediocre support weapon (Resto Staff) so yeah I think Stam has it better than Magicka.

[snip] Magicka has access to the same weapon types as stamina, they can also use medium armor without any drawbacks too, and the overall meta in PVP atleast is Dual wield front and resto back bar with 3 med 3 light 1 heavy. Resto currently provides amazing utility and sustain so it's not mediocre in the slightest. In the vast majority of morphs, Magicka is better. (merciless resolve vs grim focus, deep fissure vs subterranean assault, empowering sweep vs crescent sweep, stalking blastbones vs blighted blastbones and so on. Also magicka utility/heal skills are really decent such as, coagulating blood, honor the dead, resistant flesh, living dark,healthy offering etc compared to most stamina builds having to rely on vigor as their main heal. I really don't understand this bias towards magicka being weak especially in the past 1-2 years. Also, Best armor sets? it's reached to the point in pvp where the best in slot builds are interchangeable between magicka and stamina????

[edited for baiting]

IZZEFlameLash

I wish Resto skill lines would heal the caster AND others instead of 'or'.

Astin_nds

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

It's been Elder Stamina Online for years now I'm not surprised by this 'balance' change.

The top specs in this game are magicka, you are all too biased obviously....

Astin_nds wrote: »

Currently I have seen that Vigor has become "normal", and it will heal "normal",


That is very good... but let's remember that this skill only uses stamina... which benefits hybrids a little and stamina quite a bit... but what about the magicka? , the counterpart of vigor in magicka could be said to be rapid regeneration, since they are very similar and one is from magicka and the other is from stamina... but of course rapid regeneration has a nerf to half healing... ummm hello? what do we magicka do when the beautiful staminas goes BOOM!! vigor !! , +heal nice , migcka booom!! rapid regeneration.... emmm only the hafl of vigor? and this can heal other guy first before me?... I see a serious problem with magicka, if vigor is "normal", rapid regeneration or complete regeneration must be "NORMAL" .. please And thanks... always the same with vigor vigor vigor, of course as most use this, nothing, to the magicka that give us with our 14k 17k stamina launch a vigor and when blocking not having stamina and going to the well... PLEASE REPAIR THIS, although it would not be bad if vigor will use magicka if your spell dmg is higher than your weapon dmg , even though it's easier to return to "normal" regeneration.... and now it gives minor resolve .!! give minor resolve to regeneration too!! BALANCE!!! MAGICKA = PLAYERS , STAMINAS = PLAYERS!!!! , or vigor that uses magicka too with spell dmg more hig than wp dmg come on..

+add , repid regeneration need 100% a resto staff sloted , vigor no....

MAGICKAS! WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM !!

Rapid regeneration heals a 2nd target and vigor is only single target. Also explain to me how resto isn't already one of the best back bar weapons in the game, it has insane resource return when fully charging a heavy attack and has access major mending, Both morphs of regeneration have been overperforming for quite a while (rapid regeneration outheals vigor on live) what they could do is make rapid regen single target only, revert the heal reduction and keep the 50% healing increase under 100% hp. By the way, it's not hard to sustain stamina on a magicka spec at all, for reference i have 1500 stam regen just by using gold food regen cp and potion buff.

Magicka top in PvP? Its not 2015 anymore lol.

Ok then, explain to me what the top classes are, and how all stamina skills are better than their magicka counterparts.

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

Sorry ZOS, but...
This issue alone is proof that the 202x COMBAT devs have no clue about balance.

Issue 1:
Since Spring 2022, Healing scales with damage, not Magicka anymore.
This made (Stam) DDs the strongest healers and dedicated (Magicka) healers are GIMPED.
DDs can heal so strong now that even vetDungeon groups prefer 3DD plus Tank.
THIS FALSE DECISION IS THE SOURCE OF ALL HEALING BALANCE FAILURES IN 2022.

Issue 2:
To wear a Resto staff for group healing, Magicka user have to SACRIFICE AN ENTIRE BAR.
With Echoing Vigor, Stamina users can group heal and still use TWO ATTACK BARS.

Issue 3:
In Autumn 2022, with a massive -40% Radiant Regeneration NERF,
Magicka group healing gets even more GIMPED.
Where is a similar -40% Nerf for Echoing Vigor?

Update 35 gimps Magicka healing so much, that Magicka players even may be forced to use Vigor.
HOWEVER, THERE IS NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR.

WHY NEED MAGICKA USERS A RESTO STAFF FOR GROUP HEALING, STAM USERS NOT?
WHY IS THERE NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR, BUT EVEN TWO FOR STAMINA?
WHY IS MAGICKA GROUP HEALING NERFED HARD IN UPD35 AND STAM GROUP HEALING NOT?
WHY IS MAG GETTING WORSE AND WORSE IN 2022 WHEN STAM RULED PVP ALREADY IN 2021?

Apart from DKs and Templars, I do not see any MagClasses viable in PvP anymore.

Radiating regeneration still heals for more than echoing vigor on PTS. Let me guess, you didn't even test both before reaching to this conclusion?

Edit** For some reason i cannot upload the comparison images between both

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

It's been Elder Stamina Online for years now I'm not surprised by this 'balance' change.

The top specs in this game are magicka, you are all too biased obviously....

Astin_nds wrote: »

Currently I have seen that Vigor has become "normal", and it will heal "normal",


That is very good... but let's remember that this skill only uses stamina... which benefits hybrids a little and stamina quite a bit... but what about the magicka? , the counterpart of vigor in magicka could be said to be rapid regeneration, since they are very similar and one is from magicka and the other is from stamina... but of course rapid regeneration has a nerf to half healing... ummm hello? what do we magicka do when the beautiful staminas goes BOOM!! vigor !! , +heal nice , migcka booom!! rapid regeneration.... emmm only the hafl of vigor? and this can heal other guy first before me?... I see a serious problem with magicka, if vigor is "normal", rapid regeneration or complete regeneration must be "NORMAL" .. please And thanks... always the same with vigor vigor vigor, of course as most use this, nothing, to the magicka that give us with our 14k 17k stamina launch a vigor and when blocking not having stamina and going to the well... PLEASE REPAIR THIS, although it would not be bad if vigor will use magicka if your spell dmg is higher than your weapon dmg , even though it's easier to return to "normal" regeneration.... and now it gives minor resolve .!! give minor resolve to regeneration too!! BALANCE!!! MAGICKA = PLAYERS , STAMINAS = PLAYERS!!!! , or vigor that uses magicka too with spell dmg more hig than wp dmg come on..

+add , repid regeneration need 100% a resto staff sloted , vigor no....

MAGICKAS! WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM !!

Rapid regeneration heals a 2nd target and vigor is only single target. Also explain to me how resto isn't already one of the best back bar weapons in the game, it has insane resource return when fully charging a heavy attack and has access major mending, Both morphs of regeneration have been overperforming for quite a while (rapid regeneration outheals vigor on live) what they could do is make rapid regen single target only, revert the heal reduction and keep the 50% healing increase under 100% hp. By the way, it's not hard to sustain stamina on a magicka spec at all, for reference i have 1500 stam regen just by using gold food regen cp and potion buff.

Magicka top in PvP? Its not 2015 anymore lol.

Ok then, explain to me what the top classes are, and how all stamina skills are better than their magicka counterparts.

Stamina classes have higher burst, higher damage, cheaper skills, no debuffs on their armor type (Medium Armor), better weapons a strong self heal (Vigor) without having to slot a mediocre support weapon (Resto Staff) so yeah I think Stam has it better than Magicka.

[snip] Magicka has access to the same weapon types as stamina, they can also use medium armor without any drawbacks too, and the overall meta in PVP atleast is Dual wield front and resto back bar with 3 med 3 light 1 heavy. Resto currently provides amazing utility and sustain so it's not mediocre in the slightest. In the vast majority of morphs, Magicka is better. (merciless resolve vs grim focus, deep fissure vs subterranean assault, empowering sweep vs crescent sweep, stalking blastbones vs blighted blastbones and so on. Also magicka utility/heal skills are really decent such as, coagulating blood, honor the dead, resistant flesh, living dark,healthy offering etc compared to most stamina builds having to rely on vigor as their main heal. I really don't understand this bias towards magicka being weak especially in the past 1-2 years. Also, Best armor sets? it's reached to the point in pvp where the best in slot builds are interchangeable between magicka and stamina????

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Vetixio wrote: »

It's been Elder Stamina Online for years now I'm not surprised by this 'balance' change.

The top specs in this game are magicka, you are all too biased obviously....

Astin_nds wrote: »

Currently I have seen that Vigor has become "normal", and it will heal "normal",


That is very good... but let's remember that this skill only uses stamina... which benefits hybrids a little and stamina quite a bit... but what about the magicka? , the counterpart of vigor in magicka could be said to be rapid regeneration, since they are very similar and one is from magicka and the other is from stamina... but of course rapid regeneration has a nerf to half healing... ummm hello? what do we magicka do when the beautiful staminas goes BOOM!! vigor !! , +heal nice , migcka booom!! rapid regeneration.... emmm only the hafl of vigor? and this can heal other guy first before me?... I see a serious problem with magicka, if vigor is "normal", rapid regeneration or complete regeneration must be "NORMAL" .. please And thanks... always the same with vigor vigor vigor, of course as most use this, nothing, to the magicka that give us with our 14k 17k stamina launch a vigor and when blocking not having stamina and going to the well... PLEASE REPAIR THIS, although it would not be bad if vigor will use magicka if your spell dmg is higher than your weapon dmg , even though it's easier to return to "normal" regeneration.... and now it gives minor resolve .!! give minor resolve to regeneration too!! BALANCE!!! MAGICKA = PLAYERS , STAMINAS = PLAYERS!!!! , or vigor that uses magicka too with spell dmg more hig than wp dmg come on..

+add , repid regeneration need 100% a resto staff sloted , vigor no....

MAGICKAS! WE HAVE A BIG PROBLEM !!

Rapid regeneration heals a 2nd target and vigor is only single target. Also explain to me how resto isn't already one of the best back bar weapons in the game, it has insane resource return when fully charging a heavy attack and has access major mending, Both morphs of regeneration have been overperforming for quite a while (rapid regeneration outheals vigor on live) what they could do is make rapid regen single target only, revert the heal reduction and keep the 50% healing increase under 100% hp. By the way, it's not hard to sustain stamina on a magicka spec at all, for reference i have 1500 stam regen just by using gold food regen cp and potion buff.

Magicka top in PvP? Its not 2015 anymore lol.

Ok then, explain to me what the top classes are, and how all stamina skills are better than their magicka counterparts.

1 - I think you haven't heard about it, we are debating between RESOLVING VIGOR and RAPID REGENERATION, which are supposed to be the two RAPID healers for magicka and stamina.

1.5 -RAPID REGENERATION IS NORMAL THAN HEAL MORE THAN ECHOING VIRGOR ,1 is faster and the other is low.., OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE THE END OF THE WORLD... BUT COMPARE IT WITH RESOLVING VIGOR, AND EQUALLY, Echoing vigor has no limit of Rapid regen players, only 1, you or another. ... if you heal another you are left without a cure.

2 - ECHOING VIGORR .... Is the SLOW heal for staminas AAAND!! you heal around of you UNLIMITED, ALL 3 - 4- 6 - 10 .
Heals 7911 every 16s, 7911/16s = 494 per second, over 16 seconds healing YOU and everyone around you with no limit.

-RADIATING REGENERATION, ONLY CAN HEAL 3! , but YOU also count, I mean 2 and you, and if you have bad luck you will cure 3 !! and you are left without HEALING. 5508 every 10s, 5508/10 = 550 over 10s


As you can see the 2 abilities that you mentioned differ basically in no healing, BUT A LOT IN AMOUNT OF PLAYERS HEALED, AND YOU WILL ALWAYS HEAL YOURSELF!

The fact is that RESOLVING VIGOR AND RAPID REGENERATION, are practically the same on live server, RESOLVING AND RAPID, NOT RADIATING AND ECHOING VIGORR those skills are to heal the group but for the rest of the staff only 3 ... no group, well RESOLVING AND RAPID NOW RAPID ... heals 40% less and you say OOOH then it goes up when you have 50% health (GO UP TO CURE WHAT HEALS VIGOR FOR JUST 1 SECOND BECAUSE IF YOU ARE AT 50% HP THE EXECUTONERS WILL RAIN YOU).... AND WE ARE PERFECT FOR THE 4000 EXECUTIONS OF STAMINA WELL WELL... useless, AND it is ONLY 1 target, YOU OR ANOTHER, IF YOU HEAL ANOTHER YOU DO NOT HEAL YOURSELF!......
RESOLVING VIGOR now has no healing reductions, it will heal almost like on live server.... AND ON TOP OF IT THEY GIVE minor buff to resistances? .....


[snip]

AND I REPEAT AGAIN, THE CHANGE IS GOOD, BUT WE MAGICKAS NEED OUR HEALING ALSO, Vigor has no version of maaagicka.....

P.S. [snip] makes very clear Rapid regeneration and Resolving vigor. And let it be clear to you, RAPID IS OF A SINGLE OBJECTIVE, IT CURES YOU OR AN ALLY, IF YOU HEAL AN ALLY YOU DO NOT HEAL YOURSELF, IT IS NOT THAT IT CURES YOU AND ANOTHER NOOOOOO, ONLY 1 .....
[snip]


[edited for baiting]

Mayrael

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

Sorry ZOS, but...
This issue alone is proof that the 202x COMBAT devs have no clue about balance.

Issue 1:
Since Spring 2022, Healing scales with damage, not Magicka anymore.
This made (Stam) DDs the strongest healers and dedicated (Magicka) healers are GIMPED.
DDs can heal so strong now that even vetDungeon groups prefer 3DD plus Tank.
THIS FALSE DECISION IS THE SOURCE OF ALL HEALING BALANCE FAILURES IN 2022.

Issue 2:
To wear a Resto staff for group healing, Magicka user have to SACRIFICE AN ENTIRE BAR.
With Echoing Vigor, Stamina users can group heal and still use TWO ATTACK BARS.

Issue 3:
In Autumn 2022, with a massive -40% Radiant Regeneration NERF,
Magicka group healing gets even more GIMPED.
Where is a similar -40% Nerf for Echoing Vigor?

Update 35 gimps Magicka healing so much, that Magicka players even may be forced to use Vigor.
HOWEVER, THERE IS NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR.

WHY NEED MAGICKA USERS A RESTO STAFF FOR GROUP HEALING, STAM USERS NOT?
WHY IS THERE NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR, BUT EVEN TWO FOR STAMINA?
WHY IS MAGICKA GROUP HEALING NERFED HARD IN UPD35 AND STAM GROUP HEALING NOT?
WHY IS MAG GETTING WORSE AND WORSE IN 2022 WHEN STAM RULED PVP ALREADY IN 2021?

Apart from DKs and Templars, I do not see any MagClasses viable in PvP anymore.

Radiating regeneration still heals for more than echoing vigor on PTS. Let me guess, you didn't even test both before reaching to this conclusion?

Edit** For some reason i cannot upload the comparison images between both

Pretty clever to use morphs we are not talking about.

We are talking about those morphs (same toon, same stats):



So. Now rapid regen ticks for the same amount as vigor only when we are near death, ofcourse if we are lucky to get the heal instead of some dude 30m away and to do so we have to use certain weapon? And rapid regen doesn't provide unique buff that is very rare and stacks with major resolve?

So please @ZOS_Gilliam explain us why Rapid Regen morph even exists? Is this somekind of a joke? Why would anyone use it over Resolving Vigor?

Extinct_Solo_Player

Mayrael wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

Sorry ZOS, but...
This issue alone is proof that the 202x COMBAT devs have no clue about balance.

Issue 1:
Since Spring 2022, Healing scales with damage, not Magicka anymore.
This made (Stam) DDs the strongest healers and dedicated (Magicka) healers are GIMPED.
DDs can heal so strong now that even vetDungeon groups prefer 3DD plus Tank.
THIS FALSE DECISION IS THE SOURCE OF ALL HEALING BALANCE FAILURES IN 2022.

Issue 2:
To wear a Resto staff for group healing, Magicka user have to SACRIFICE AN ENTIRE BAR.
With Echoing Vigor, Stamina users can group heal and still use TWO ATTACK BARS.

Issue 3:
In Autumn 2022, with a massive -40% Radiant Regeneration NERF,
Magicka group healing gets even more GIMPED.
Where is a similar -40% Nerf for Echoing Vigor?

Update 35 gimps Magicka healing so much, that Magicka players even may be forced to use Vigor.
HOWEVER, THERE IS NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR.

WHY NEED MAGICKA USERS A RESTO STAFF FOR GROUP HEALING, STAM USERS NOT?
WHY IS THERE NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR, BUT EVEN TWO FOR STAMINA?
WHY IS MAGICKA GROUP HEALING NERFED HARD IN UPD35 AND STAM GROUP HEALING NOT?
WHY IS MAG GETTING WORSE AND WORSE IN 2022 WHEN STAM RULED PVP ALREADY IN 2021?

Apart from DKs and Templars, I do not see any MagClasses viable in PvP anymore.

Radiating regeneration still heals for more than echoing vigor on PTS. Let me guess, you didn't even test both before reaching to this conclusion?

Edit** For some reason i cannot upload the comparison images between both

Pretty clever to use morphs we are not talking about.

We are talking about those morphs (same toon, same stats):



So. Now rapid regen ticks for the same amount as vigor only when we are near death, ofcourse if we are lucky to get the heal instead of some dude 30m away and to do so we have to use certain weapon? And rapid regen doesn't provide unique buff that is very rare and stacks with major resolve?

So please @ZOS_Gilliam explain us why Rapid Regen morph even exists? Is this somekind of a joke? Why would anyone use it over Resolving Vigor?

I was replying to BalticBlues about echoing vigor and raditating regen. To the original post I said rapid regen does need the heal reduction reverted.

Mayrael

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

Sorry ZOS, but...
This issue alone is proof that the 202x COMBAT devs have no clue about balance.

Issue 1:
Since Spring 2022, Healing scales with damage, not Magicka anymore.
This made (Stam) DDs the strongest healers and dedicated (Magicka) healers are GIMPED.
DDs can heal so strong now that even vetDungeon groups prefer 3DD plus Tank.
THIS FALSE DECISION IS THE SOURCE OF ALL HEALING BALANCE FAILURES IN 2022.

Issue 2:
To wear a Resto staff for group healing, Magicka user have to SACRIFICE AN ENTIRE BAR.
With Echoing Vigor, Stamina users can group heal and still use TWO ATTACK BARS.

Issue 3:
In Autumn 2022, with a massive -40% Radiant Regeneration NERF,
Magicka group healing gets even more GIMPED.
Where is a similar -40% Nerf for Echoing Vigor?

Update 35 gimps Magicka healing so much, that Magicka players even may be forced to use Vigor.
HOWEVER, THERE IS NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR.

WHY NEED MAGICKA USERS A RESTO STAFF FOR GROUP HEALING, STAM USERS NOT?
WHY IS THERE NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR, BUT EVEN TWO FOR STAMINA?
WHY IS MAGICKA GROUP HEALING NERFED HARD IN UPD35 AND STAM GROUP HEALING NOT?
WHY IS MAG GETTING WORSE AND WORSE IN 2022 WHEN STAM RULED PVP ALREADY IN 2021?

Apart from DKs and Templars, I do not see any MagClasses viable in PvP anymore.

Radiating regeneration still heals for more than echoing vigor on PTS. Let me guess, you didn't even test both before reaching to this conclusion?

Edit** For some reason i cannot upload the comparison images between both

Pretty clever to use morphs we are not talking about.

We are talking about those morphs (same toon, same stats):



So. Now rapid regen ticks for the same amount as vigor only when we are near death, ofcourse if we are lucky to get the heal instead of some dude 30m away and to do so we have to use certain weapon? And rapid regen doesn't provide unique buff that is very rare and stacks with major resolve?

So please @ZOS_Gilliam explain us why Rapid Regen morph even exists? Is this somekind of a joke? Why would anyone use it over Resolving Vigor?

I was replying to BalticBlues about echoing vigor and raditating regen. To the original post I said rapid regen does need the heal reduction reverted.

Got it. But just to be clear.

Rapid regen does not heal a second target. It heals you OR a second target, it is single target heal.

Even if rapid regen would be brought back to state from before nerf it would be still worse than vigor unless its scaling would be kept. Then it would have something to offer over resolving vigor.

Firstmep

I feel like we are talking about eso from like 2 years ago or something. If you think vigor is strong then use it, period.
If you want rapid regen, so you can heal others, use it. Or use both, plenty of people already do.

Magicka(s) this Stamina(s) that, we are hybrids now so its whatever. People need to get with the hybrid program and stop complaining about the "other side". The other side doesnt exist, its gone.

Mayrael

Firstmep wrote: »

I feel like we are talking about eso from like 2 years ago or something. If you think vigor is strong then use it, period.
If you want rapid regen, so you can heal others, use it. Or use both, plenty of people already do.

Magicka(s) this Stamina(s) that, we are hybrids now so its whatever. People need to get with the hybrid program and stop complaining about the "other side". The other side doesnt exist, its gone.

One one side yes, you're right I prefered vigor even before patch on magicka toons simply because of no limitations on weapons, self only and being my secondary resource pool but with new patch why even have rapid regen? We can delete this skill because nobody will use it. It needs to be changed for the sake of choice.

Astin_nds

Firstmep wrote: »

I feel like we are talking about eso from like 2 years ago or something. If you think vigor is strong then use it, period.
If you want rapid regen, so you can heal others, use it. Or use both, plenty of people already do.

Magicka(s) this Stamina(s) that, we are hybrids now so its whatever. People need to get with the hybrid program and stop complaining about the "other side". The other side doesnt exist, its gone.

Only putting rapid regeneration aviable again and this problem is 50% resolve and can be viable , i try to put hybrid my build but.. practicaly need delete all and make again , is full magicka

Astin_nds

Firstmep wrote: »

I feel like we are talking about eso from like 2 years ago or something. If you think vigor is strong then use it, period.
If you want rapid regen, so you can heal others, use it. Or use both, plenty of people already do.

Magicka(s) this Stamina(s) that, we are hybrids now so its whatever. People need to get with the hybrid program and stop complaining about the "other side". The other side doesnt exist, its gone.

add+ or Vigor cunsume resources magicka if your sp is more hg than your Sp , is cool mec

Astin_nds

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

Extinct_Solo_Player wrote: »

BalticBlues wrote: »

Sorry ZOS, but...
This issue alone is proof that the 202x COMBAT devs have no clue about balance.

Issue 1:
Since Spring 2022, Healing scales with damage, not Magicka anymore.
This made (Stam) DDs the strongest healers and dedicated (Magicka) healers are GIMPED.
DDs can heal so strong now that even vetDungeon groups prefer 3DD plus Tank.
THIS FALSE DECISION IS THE SOURCE OF ALL HEALING BALANCE FAILURES IN 2022.

Issue 2:
To wear a Resto staff for group healing, Magicka user have to SACRIFICE AN ENTIRE BAR.
With Echoing Vigor, Stamina users can group heal and still use TWO ATTACK BARS.

Issue 3:
In Autumn 2022, with a massive -40% Radiant Regeneration NERF,
Magicka group healing gets even more GIMPED.
Where is a similar -40% Nerf for Echoing Vigor?

Update 35 gimps Magicka healing so much, that Magicka players even may be forced to use Vigor.
HOWEVER, THERE IS NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR.

WHY NEED MAGICKA USERS A RESTO STAFF FOR GROUP HEALING, STAM USERS NOT?
WHY IS THERE NO MAGICKA VERSION OF VIGOR, BUT EVEN TWO FOR STAMINA?
WHY IS MAGICKA GROUP HEALING NERFED HARD IN UPD35 AND STAM GROUP HEALING NOT?
WHY IS MAG GETTING WORSE AND WORSE IN 2022 WHEN STAM RULED PVP ALREADY IN 2021?

Apart from DKs and Templars, I do not see any MagClasses viable in PvP anymore.

Radiating regeneration still heals for more than echoing vigor on PTS. Let me guess, you didn't even test both before reaching to this conclusion?

Edit** For some reason i cannot upload the comparison images between both

Pretty clever to use morphs we are not talking about.

We are talking about those morphs (same toon, same stats):



So. Now rapid regen ticks for the same amount as vigor only when we are near death, ofcourse if we are lucky to get the heal instead of some dude 30m away and to do so we have to use certain weapon? And rapid regen doesn't provide unique buff that is very rare and stacks with major resolve?

So please @ZOS_Gilliam explain us why Rapid Regen morph even exists? Is this somekind of a joke? Why would anyone use it over Resolving Vigor?

I was replying to BalticBlues about echoing vigor and raditating regen. To the original post I said rapid regen does need the heal reduction reverted.

and ofcourse now got minor resolve for 20 seconds... super necesary ... super

Firstmep

Mayrael wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

I feel like we are talking about eso from like 2 years ago or something. If you think vigor is strong then use it, period.
If you want rapid regen, so you can heal others, use it. Or use both, plenty of people already do.

Magicka(s) this Stamina(s) that, we are hybrids now so its whatever. People need to get with the hybrid program and stop complaining about the "other side". The other side doesnt exist, its gone.

One one side yes, you're right I prefered vigor even before patch on magicka toons simply because of no limitations on weapons, self only and being my secondary resource pool but with new patch why even have rapid regen? We can delete this skill because nobody will use it. It needs to be changed for the sake of choice.

In the past I thought it would be great if rapid regen was self heal only.
But in practice, resto is the strongest defensive weapon on live atm, and I think that needs to change.

For the record I did not think vigor needed a buff from live, and it's just one of those things where the devs probably looked at feedback on pts, but seemingly completely forgot what the skill looked like on the live server.

As for rapid regen, I think it would be nice if they gave it something unique, rather than another hot to stack with rest.

Astin_nds

Firstmep wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Firstmep wrote: »

I feel like we are talking about eso from like 2 years ago or something. If you think vigor is strong then use it, period.
If you want rapid regen, so you can heal others, use it. Or use both, plenty of people already do.

Magicka(s) this Stamina(s) that, we are hybrids now so its whatever. People need to get with the hybrid program and stop complaining about the "other side". The other side doesnt exist, its gone.

One one side yes, you're right I prefered vigor even before patch on magicka toons simply because of no limitations on weapons, self only and being my secondary resource pool but with new patch why even have rapid regen? We can delete this skill because nobody will use it. It needs to be changed for the sake of choice.

In the past I thought it would be great if rapid regen was self heal only.
But in practice, resto is the strongest defensive weapon on live atm, and I think that needs to change.

For the record I did not think vigor needed a buff from live, and it's just one of those things where the devs probably looked at feedback on pts, but seemingly completely forgot what the skill looked like on the live server.

As for rapid regen, I think it would be nice if they gave it something unique, rather than another hot to stack with rest.

need revert the heal reductions , with this can be a 70-80% viable... but not hv self heal and not hv minor resolve