Which companion has the best personality?

SilverBride

Ember

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

He's reacting to you being in danger. He's not ordering anyone around, he's giving advice because you're dying. Also you can set the frequency in your settings. There should probably be a way to change whether they offer tutorial advice. Anyway, the reason it's unsolicited is because you're literally dying in combat.

Like I'm having a hard time understanding how you'd even solicit advice in combat. Or why a character who's supposed to be our friend is being bossy because they see us literally dying, knows what to do help, and thus says something

This is just how I personally perceive it and the biggest reason I don't like him.

And that is how I personally perceive him. And why I don't care they have tutorial content for new players embedded into the companions. I feel it's a perfect spot for it. "Why shouldn't a friend try to help another friend that's dying?" is my personal feelings toward it.

But I wasn't dying. The only time I use Bastian to tank is when I'm soloing dungeons or World Bosses. I rarely die to these and am near full health when he starts the commands.

Plus he has often told me to sheath my weapon because the fight is over when it isn't. If I took that advice I would be in trouble.

This may not be how others perceive it but it is how I do, and neither of us is wrong.

spartaxoxo

IDK/IDC

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

He's reacting to you being in danger. He's not ordering anyone around, he's giving advice because you're dying. Also you can set the frequency in your settings. There should probably be a way to change whether they offer tutorial advice. Anyway, the reason it's unsolicited is because you're literally dying in combat.

Like I'm having a hard time understanding how you'd even solicit advice in combat. Or why a character who's supposed to be our friend is being bossy because they see us literally dying, knows what to do help, and thus says something

This is just how I personally perceive it and the biggest reason I don't like him.

And that is how I personally perceive him. And why I don't care they have tutorial content for new players embedded into the companions. I feel it's a perfect spot for it. "Why shouldn't a friend try to help another friend that's dying?" is my personal feelings toward it.

But I wasn't dying. The only time I use Bastian to tank is when I'm soloing dungeons or World Bosses. I rarely die to these and am near full health when he starts the commands.

Plus he has often told me to sheath my weapon because the fight is over when it isn't. If I took that advice I would be in trouble.

This may not be how others perceive it but it is how I do, and neither of us is wrong.

You are literally getting attack and injured in the lore. This thread isn't about what is happening in gameplay, it's about what's happening in the lore. You're getting injured, he's afraid you could get seriously injured, and then he offers advice to prevent that injury. After the battle is over, he may even ask if you're hurt. If you perceive that is bossy, that's your personal opinion. We are all entitled to it. It's not wrong, persay. But, I suspect it's more influenced by the gameplay though, than what is actually happening in lore.

In lore, he's giving advice to a friend in danger. Afterwards, he's checks in on them to make sure they are okay. Anyone can perceive that however they choose, but personally I cannot wrap my mind around how it's bossy. For me, trying to make sure I don't get hurt and checking up on me is caring. It shows that he cares about the people around him. And since his entire character is themed around caring for others, this is just another expression of that.
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In gameplay, there's an NPC giving tutorial level advice to advance players, that you neither asked for, nor can turn off. And the advice doesn't even always make sense. This I can understand why it's viewed as annoying and bossy. But to me that's a gameplay issue, not a lore issue.

If you can't separate the two, that's perfectly fine. But from my point of view, I cannot begin to understand how checking up on a friend getting injured should require permission. I can't imagine getting stabbed, seeing my friend say "Oh god! Apply pressure" and then after the bleeding stops when he says "Are you okay?" going "Did I ask for your help? Don't help me unless I ask you, rude." Since I can't imagine that scenario IRL, it's also hard for me wrap my mind around why I should view that action in the lore as bossy rather caring. But, that's just my personal opinion. It's not everyone's and that's okay.

It's more believable to me that a companion written as my friend cares enough about me to try and help me when I'm in danger. Which is why I think it's a perfect way to incorporate a combat tutorial into the game. One that I think this game is sorely needing because there are a lot of players out there that don't know how to do block or bash. But, for players who already know how to do those things...the same tutorial that is helpful for newbies, is annoying and unwelcome for the vets. This is why the game in general lets you turn off tutorial hints, and companions should frankly be no exception. I don't think they should still be shouting out their combat tips to a vet player. It can be annoying, especially when they are wrong. "Sheathe your weapons" in the middle of combat, because the AI bugged out and thought the battle was over is a good example.

This is one of those things I think where what makes sense for the lore, does NOT always translate well to gameplay mechanics. And thus, certain reactions that are natural in a story like a book, movie, or tv show, work against a video game character.

Characters that are cheerful sociopaths are more fun to play alongside because they don't offer advice, never criticize the player for bad actions, and compliment the player for whatever they are doing. That makes them more pleasant to play alongside. But I personally don't think that translates to them being better people in the lore itself. Like, I view the character that hates murder as a better person than the one that enjoys murdering innocents and stealing stuff.

SilverBride

Ember

We see it completely differently, so let's just leave it at that.

Kurague

Ember

SilverBride wrote: »

We see it completely differently, so let's just leave it at that.

I personally also hate Bastian's personality not to mention he has the worst rapport ever, but even leaving the rapport aside, I find him generally boring and maybe not bossy but tiring.

It's like you're venturing with your grandma "Did you remember to take your pots?" "Are you hungry?"

Nightowl_74

Syldras wrote: »

Nightowl_74 wrote: »

I think if they were real people...

If we look at companions from this perspective, I'm quite sure the results would look very differently. Most people probably wouldn't be friends with someone who enjoys murder. I still think I'd get along best with Mirri, as there were quite a lot of interesting things to talk about. Bastian would be okay, I guess, although I'm not sure if we'd share many interests. And I'd really have to pull myself together not to burst out laughing every time he's saying something corny.

I guess I tend to think about companions more as what I like in real people playing the game with me than from an rp perspective, although I do appreciate it when one of them says something that strikes me as very true to life so my view must be somewhat fluid.

spartaxoxo

IDK/IDC

Kurague wrote: »

It's like you're venturing with your grandma "Did you remember to take your pots?" "Are you hungry?"

His jokes are pretty dad-jokey too, lol

Kurague

Ember

Nightowl_74 wrote: »

Nightowl_74 wrote: »

I think if they were real people...

If we look at companions from this perspective, I'm quite sure the results would look very differently. Most people probably wouldn't be friends with someone who enjoys murder. I still think I'd get along best with Mirri, as there were quite a lot of interesting things to talk about. Bastian would be okay, I guess, although I'm not sure if we'd share many interests. And I'd really have to pull myself together not to burst out laughing every time he's saying something corny.

I guess I tend to think about companions more as what I like in real people playing the game with me than from an rp perspective, although I do appreciate it when one of them says something that strikes me as very true to life so my view must be somewhat fluid.

I don't enjoy murder, I just do what the Night Mother OR Sithis tells me...And do it to everyone who gets in my way of doing so. Doesn't mean I enjoy it still.

Why is my full post inside the quote? Lmao

@spartaxoxo xD Indeed they are.

spartaxoxo

IDK/IDC

Kurague wrote: »

Why is my full post inside the quote? Lmao

You gotta make sure it ends in a [/ quote] without the space between the / and the word "quote." In addition, you have to make sure the part where it quotes the person e.g. [ quote="PersonA"] is only stated once, otherwise it will think you're trying to quote multiple people and treat your new text as part of that quote.

I think the person you're quoting also somehow made this type of error, because I can only see their reply in your quote lol

mavfin

Mirri

Syldras wrote: »

Why that spite against people who have a different taste?! Mirri is my favourite, but still I wouldn't call people who don't like her oversensitive. Everyone has a different sense of humour and different likes and dislikes, plain and simple.

Exactly why there are four of them, and they're not clones...

AzuraFan

Mirri

As I adventure more with Isobel, she's growing on me. But it's still a hassle to dismiss her whenever I want to do something thievish or murderous. Which is why once she's levelled and all, I'll go back to Mirri unless I need a tank (I've set Isobel up as a tank).

Isobel has the best coincidental one-liner for me so far. I went into the Vile Manse to do an endeavor. The moment the "endeavor completed" message flashed across the screen, Isobel said, "That's it, right?" or something very similar. I almost fell off my chair laughing because I'd just thought the same thing before the message came up.

BretonMage

Bastian

Kurague wrote: »

It's like you're venturing with your grandma "Did you remember to take your pots?" "Are you hungry?"

spartaxoxo wrote: »

His jokes are pretty dad-jokey too, lol

He's an old soul. I personally would much rather travel with an old soul full of dad jokes, than someone with dubious morality who may or may not steal from me, or even kill me.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Bastian

SilverBride wrote: »

I feel bad that they made him homely and goody two shoes and bossy, which is one of my biggest complaints about him. I get tired of being told to get out of that and shake it off and drink a potion and use a different strategy. He's supposed to be my companion, not my boss.

[snip] but how is he bossy? If that's what make him bossy, then every damn companion is demanding and bossy because they all do that.

[edited for baiting]

Kurague

Ember

BretonMage wrote: »

Kurague wrote: »

It's like you're venturing with your grandma "Did you remember to take your pots?" "Are you hungry?"

spartaxoxo wrote: »

His jokes are pretty dad-jokey too, lol

He's an old soul. I personally would much rather travel with an old soul full of dad jokes, than someone with dubious morality who may or may not steal from me, or even kill me.

I don't think EMBER is all that murderous to be honest. She laughs when you use the Blade of Woe on someone...BUT that's because the game doesn't recognize the kill as a special kill for her.

Yes, it is fun to call her a Sith apprentice who enjoys murdering, but that's not really how she is.
If you notice her dialogue, sometimes, when you Blade of Woe someone, she says "I think I'm going to show off now", implying her dialogue lines when you use your blade of woe range between the "Started fight" to "Just finished fighting" with her infamous "HAHAHAHA....THAT WAS SO EXCITING" when you murder someone.

I make this distinction, because the character IS NOT MEANT TO LAUGH at you backstabbing someone; Her "AI" thinks you two just won a fight...Soo all in all, she doesn't really care about -you- killing someone, but she doesn't do the deed herself, nor really enjoys it. She's a...Let's say, a person who would kill someone given the right situation, place, and time...That means if she or someone she knew was in danger.

About stealing, she also would probably not steal from you; The only times you do see her steal, it's to help others. Admit it or not, she's actually a good person.

PS: Edited the name cause I wrote Mirri instead of Ember

BretonMage

Bastian

Kurague wrote: »

About stealing, she also would probably [emphasis added] not steal from you

Well, you do you, of course, but "probably" is just not good enough for me.

Arato

Ember

it's not that much difference between Ember and Isobel, both are pleasant enough company and easy to get along with, Izzy has the caveat of don't be a criminal, and Ember has the caveat of if you're gonna be a criminal don't suck at it.
I like how both have more specific things to say about the cities you enter when you enter them.. and not just the same SUPER TIRED LINE about "some give you gifts, others rob you blind" SHUT UP BASTIAN, YOUR QUIPS AREN'T USEFUL OR FUNNY
anyway it's obvious they learned some lessons from the first two companions, as both new companions are much better company than either of the blackwood ones.

Mirri was okay but her nitpicks about flying bugs (which conspicuously showed up more frequently around quest interactables, chests, resource spawn points, and skyshards after blackwood launched along with a targeting priority change that mysteriously cropped up and leads to me zapping bugs behind me instead of what I'm targeting) and boats can hinder her...

and Bastian...
there's a reason why I grinded out Isobel ASAP and gave her all of Bastian's tanking gear and I relegated Bastian to living forever in Doomchar Plateau, surrounded by cheese decorations on a torture gibbet. The only things is I wish we had more different cheese furniture to put around him, I wish I could just drop cheese and it'd pile on the floor so I could build a more organic looking pile of cheese for him to be buried in rather than just stacking wedges.

I couldn't stand Bastian especially whenever he felt the need to say some "quip" that was always lame, or when he complained when I did provisioning writs.

only complaints about Isobel... is her weird penciled on exaggerated eyebrows.. and she doesn't smile enough.
to the point of I wish I could give her a helmet to wear.. it'd be more fitting for a knight anyway.

Syldras

Mirri

Kurague wrote: »

About stealing, she also would probably not steal from you; The only times you do see her steal, it's to help others. Admit it or not, she's actually a good person.

"Pickpocketing is somewhat of a passion of mine. It warms my heart to relieve oblivious people of their possessions."
"I love when people think their stuff is safe... and you prove them wrong."
"Ha, someone's going to be missing that."
"Stinks to be them today."

EozZoe1989

IDK/IDC

i like them all iam hoping thou the idea that was made to make own companion ,. could be thing.. it is never a no.. it could work.. people need to take risks in life and try new things that dont hurt them..
gaming .. is fun solo and grouped.. if anything should be areas were cna take in conpanion with grouped people in trials and duggens too make it a bit harder we have been nerfed but not monsters.. nerf them be harder..
then we can have companions too .. in all locations or some

Gaebriel0410

Bastian

Bastian's personality is definitely the best one for me. He comes across as a very empathic character willing to aid others, which is a good thing for an adventuring companion. Him being bossy or whiny is a mega hot take. I don't want a character that praises whatever I do without any criticism whatsoever, I want an actual character with likes and dislikes who reacts to what I do as a player, through the world view the character has. I don't even think he's too "goody two shoes" because disapproving of things like stealing and murder is the default in the setting unless it's cultists or bandits, so Bastian is the epitome of a pleasant companion to me.

Isobel is my second favourite, the inquisitive and eagerl new knight has really grown on me. I like how is is clearly still torn between her newfound duties and her youthful enthusiasm, again a well written and sympathetic character I think.

Mirri I like as well, though I have less experience with her (getting there though) as I have nothing with the sarcasm. But a solid adventurer / treasure hunter archetype imo.

Ember I haven't tried yet, but in her quests the whole wannabe quirky oopsie dialogue came across as Eveli 2.0 a bit, but not nearly as grating thankfully. So while she's not bad, I already know she's the last in my list as I have nothing with this type of character. I'd wish we saw more khajiit like Raenobi (from the ToT questlines) instead of cutesie kitties and the awfully goofy/wannabe suave Razum-Dar. But that's a whole other story haha.

Kurague

Ember

Syldras wrote: »

Kurague wrote: »

About stealing, she also would probably not steal from you; The only times you do see her steal, it's to help others. Admit it or not, she's actually a good person.

"Pickpocketing is somewhat of a passion of mine. It warms my heart to relieve oblivious people of their possessions."
"I love when people think their stuff is safe... and you prove them wrong."
"Ha, someone's going to be missing that."
"Stinks to be them today."

But did she steal, or did YOU steal and she made a friendly comment about YOU stealing, like a friend would do?

spartaxoxo

IDK/IDC

Kurague wrote: »

Syldras wrote: »

Kurague wrote: »

About stealing, she also would probably not steal from you; The only times you do see her steal, it's to help others. Admit it or not, she's actually a good person.

"Pickpocketing is somewhat of a passion of mine. It warms my heart to relieve oblivious people of their possessions."
"I love when people think their stuff is safe... and you prove them wrong."
"Ha, someone's going to be missing that."
"Stinks to be them today."

But did she steal, or did YOU steal and she made a friendly comment about YOU stealing, like a friend would do?

She's not saying "you're good at that" in all of those though, she's saying that she loves theft. And as a general rule, not just some Robin Hood type deal.

Syldras

Mirri

Kurague wrote: »

But did she steal, or did YOU steal and she made a friendly comment about YOU stealing, like a friend would do?

To have her say "Pickpocketing is somewhat of a passion of mine. It warms my heart to relieve oblivious people of their possessions." you don't have to steal a single thing. That's what she says if you ask her about her interests/hobbies/likes.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

She's not saying "you're good at that" in all of those though, she's saying that she loves theft. And as a general rule, not just some Robin Hood type deal.

I agree. And I really don't understand why there's a need to deny her being a criminal. She is, and it's totally okay from a gaming perspective. TES has been about choices since decades. You are able to play a murderer, thief and necromancer, a cannibal even in Skyrim, you can play a completely evil, bad, immoral character if you wish. It makes sense that there are all types of companions, from totally bad to totally moral, too.

Kurague

Ember

Syldras wrote: »

Kurague wrote: »

But did she steal, or did YOU steal and she made a friendly comment about YOU stealing, like a friend would do?

To have her say "Pickpocketing is somewhat of a passion of mine. It warms my heart to relieve oblivious people of their possessions." you don't have to steal a single thing. That's what she says if you ask her about her interests/hobbies/likes.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

She's not saying "you're good at that" in all of those though, she's saying that she loves theft. And as a general rule, not just some Robin Hood type deal.

I agree. And I really don't understand why there's a need to deny her being a criminal. She is, and it's totally okay from a gaming perspective. TES has been about choices since decades. You are able to play a murderer, thief and necromancer, a cannibal even in Skyrim, you can play a completely evil, bad, immoral character if you wish. It makes sense that there are all types of companions, from totally bad to totally moral, too.

I insist, I don't think she's amoral, she's just the free and outgoing kinda person that doesn't respect law boundaries, which, let me remind you, are not the same in today's Society to what they were back them. Society was much more eclesiastic and tyranical, in fact, in this world murders happen every day, and people kill eachother for reasons they don't understand(Wars were much more common).

What's a petty theft compared to what kings do to their people in those ages?

Like I said, I wouldn't say she has no morals, her morals are just a bit loose, but as shown with the wizard she was training with, she wouldn't steal from him if it wasn't crucial; The ward against her was there cause she was a very "curious cat", and *** up magic(As shown in game) constantly cause she had, very much like a DnD Sorcerer, a very big potential but wild magic.

What I mean to say is leave my magicat alone or I'll bite you

PS: She does look a bit evil, but when she's with you she's really goofy and nice