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Which companion has the best personality?

  • Kurague
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    Syldras wrote: »
    Kurague wrote: »
    True, but she still was "trigger-happy" when she met you...And those were humanoids mostly.

    Well, I'd be too, if someone kidnapped my brother (if I had one, that is).

    Maybe the entire population of Tamriel kidnapped my brother, who knows.

    But one thing remains true, by those standarts, not one follower would NOT get angry at you murdering people, and that's not sustainable. We really do need evil followers or something like that, the whole reason why I don't use Mirri anymore WHILE I LOVE DUNMER is cause of her negatives being detrimental to my natural gameplay...Just the same way I dislike vampirism WHILE I LOVE VAMPIRES because of the no health regen being a detriment to my gameplay. It's a mechanic that gives me nothing fun at all, but instead takes away big quality of life aspects.
  • SilverBride
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    Syldras wrote: »
    If it was the actual companion that fights along side us and interacts with us I would personally find it disturbing to put them in tortuous situations. But the houseguest versions of our companions are nothing more than furnishings

    They still talk and walk around, so I personally don't see a big difference, but people may view that differently. The big question really is why people even get the idea to put them in a torture room. It seems to be common with companions, but there aren't masses of players who, for example, build pyres and burn mammoths on them or throw sep vipers inside boiling soup kettles. Well, of course there's no reason for that, too, but why would you do that to companions?

    I wouldn't and I haven't.
    Edited by SilverBride on July 1, 2022 1:34AM
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  • BretonMage
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    Regarding the treatment of companions, dressing them and all that, the negative reactions in our community probably range from mild dislike to hate depending on a person's personality. Which is why I find the idea of a torture room quite disturbing, that some people can react so violently to even a virtual suggestion of denigration.
    If it was just about the gameplay mechanic, I would expect Isobel to receive the same reception as Bastian when it comes to morality rapport. Since they both dislike murder and theft.

    I actually waited to see if this would happen when High Isle released. Strangely enough there hasn't been much of a reaction beyond a few silly posts about her face.
    This probably goes back to what we discussed earlier in this thread. That Isobel is more popular than Bastian and much less popular than Ember (she's even less popular than Mirri) suggests to me that both rapport mechanics and societal attitudes may be involved.

    As to the rapport mechanics themselves, it makes sense to me to have them, even if I think they are unfortunate because it likely backfired by making certain companions unpopular. People get used to playing the game a certain way, and it's a burden to them to change their gameplay style, especially if they see these companions as servants/assistants and not friends.
  • SilverBride
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    Edited by SilverBride on July 2, 2022 3:50PM
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  • spartaxoxo
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    Kurague wrote: »
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    Kurague wrote: »
    You see, that's where the rage for these companions come; They eliminate mechanics from your gameplay with their poorly planned raport.

    If that's all it was to it, people would hate Isobel and Bastian equally and they do not. There is also the cultural lense in which they view these characters. As well, as the sense of immersion a player has. But Bastian doesn't like murder because he thinks it's wrong. And the player feels judged as a result. Isobel doesn't like it because knights aren't supposed to, so she doesn't interfere with anyone's headcanon that their character is the good guy hero.

    Also none of the companions eliminate gameplay. The rapport they lose is triflingly easy to restore. And you can always stow them in activities they are not compatible with. It's not like you need a companion to go on a murder spree. They don't add anything to that activity and have a cooldown on rapport loss.

    To say characters shouldn't react believably in an RPG, or it's poor design just doesn't make sense to me either.

    What I say it's bad design is the fact that, yes, it does remove mechanics if you want to use that companion. Period.
    Am I gonna store Mirri back EVERY time I find a butterfly? Yeah, not happening, that's annoying design for no reason, and thus it's bad.

    No, it literally doesn't. Period. Not liking the consequence is not remotely the same as being literally unable to do it. The companions do not block the progress of any activity of the game and they do not remove gameplay.

    They lose literally 1 rapport if you do something they merely dislike. And they gain it back extremely quickly. Companion rapport is primarily changed through extensive activity, they aren't going to significantly change their opinion of you because you did something they disliked here and there.

    And yes, there does have to be a balance between gameplay and believability. People paid money to quest with Bastian and Mirri, so while they have likes and dislikes to make them act believably in an RPG setting, they aren't going to be the same as a real life person. Belief in fiction is not like real life anyway.

    It makes a lot of sense that some people don't like murder. And murder in this game (and the world of Tamriel) is defined as the killing of innocents. People who don't kill for a living. Bandits, cultists, etc are criminals that can be killed and have bounties on their head. That is not murder. None of the companions dislike killing such people. They only dislike the murder of innocents.
    Edited by spartaxoxo on July 1, 2022 4:52AM
  • Nightowl_74
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    I haven't gotten around to acquiring Ember or Isobel but I like a lot of Mirri's dialogue, just not in battle. I think if they were real people I'd have more to talk about with Mirri than Bastian, he comes across as very earnest and I tend to have a tough time communicating effectively with real people who give me that same vibe. He's a bit calmer during combat, though, and I like that.
  • Treselegant
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    They lose literally 1 rapport if you do something they merely dislike. And they gain it back extremely quickly. Companion rapport is primarily changed through extensive activity, they aren't going to significantly change their opinion of you because you did something they disliked here and there.

    And yes, there does have to be a balance between gameplay and believability. People paid money to quest with Bastian and Mirri, so while they have likes and dislikes to make them act believably in an RPG setting, they aren't going to be the same as a real life person. Belief in fiction is not like real life anyway.

    I have lost count the many times I've had to explain this to some players and it does get tiring. Minor companion dislikes are -1 rapport added for character flavour and it usually balances out during normal gameplay. As a crafter doing my crafting dailies I might see a cheese recipe maybe once a week and maybe a comment about it once every couple of weeks even at max comment frequency - it has no effect on my gameplay. Which brings us back around to: ' so why is Bastian's cheese dislike more ranted about than Mirri's bug aversion?". There's obviously other issues at play.

    My favourite complaint is "don't they understand I didn't mean to steal/murder, this companion is a hypocrite!?" because how on earth is an ai companion npc going to understand that? Boggles the mind.

  • Syldras
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    I think if they were real people...

    If we look at companions from this perspective, I'm quite sure the results would look very differently. Most people probably wouldn't be friends with someone who enjoys murder. I still think I'd get along best with Mirri, as there were quite a lot of interesting things to talk about. Bastian would be okay, I guess, although I'm not sure if we'd share many interests. And I'd really have to pull myself together not to burst out laughing every time he's saying something corny.

    I think exactly these cheesy lines are the biggest difference between Bastian and Isobel, btw. I can imagine that some people do indeed dislike him for that.
    As a crafter doing my crafting dailies I might see a cheese recipe maybe once a week and maybe a comment about it once every couple of weeks even at max comment frequency - it has no effect on my gameplay.

    It doesn't justify any hatred, but his dislike for cheese is a bit weird though, isn't it? I mean, he even says it's only because of his lactose intolerance, but why would he even bother, as he's not forced to eat it? I have several food allergies irl and I have no clue why I would be bothered about other people's food.
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  • spartaxoxo
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    Syldras wrote: »
    It doesn't justify any hatred, but his dislike for cheese is a bit weird though, isn't it? I mean, he even says it's only because of his lactose intolerance, but why would he even bother, as he's not forced to eat it? I have several food allergies irl and I have no clue why I would be bothered about other people's food.

    One thing I think they could do is make more clear that cooking with a companion means you're likely to feed them. I don't know they'd do this exactly, but each of the companions act they are likely to or have shared a meal with you afterwards. The implication is that you called them over to eat the food that you made. If I recall correctly Mirri even references having shared drinks with you in her letter. That's why Bastian doesn't like it when you call him over to eat cheese. And why Mirri and Isobel get so excited you made something they enjoy. But, this is not well communicated.
    Edited by spartaxoxo on July 1, 2022 3:18PM
  • SilverBride
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    The question is which companion do we feel has the best personality. This is subjective and will be different for every player. There are no right or wrong answers.

    The reasons we feel the way we do are our own reasons. It is not wrong for someone to say they don't like Bastian because they lose rapport for provisioning a recipe that contains cheese. It doesn't matter if they only lose 1 rapport or 100, to them this is a negative and a valid reason they don't like him.
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  • RaddlemanNumber7
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    I just stood house guests Isobel and Mirri together as if they were meeting at a social occasion. Such looks Isobel was giving Mirri! Such an atmosphere! There must be a story there.

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  • Syldras
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    Kurague wrote: »
    [snip]

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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    One thing I think they could do is make more clear that cooking with a companion means you're likely to feed them.

    Yes, it could be communicated clearer. Though I mostly only cook for provisioning dailies, while my poor characters have to live off dry old bread (most content doesn't really need food buffs anyway)...

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    Edited by ZOS_Icy on July 1, 2022 5:22PM
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  • spartaxoxo
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    The question is which companion do we feel has the best personality. This is subjective and will be different for every player. There are no right or wrong answers.

    The reasons we feel the way we do are our own reasons. It is not wrong for someone to say they don't like Bastian because they lose rapport for provisioning a recipe that contains cheese. It doesn't matter if they only lose 1 rapport or 100, to them this is a negative and a valid reason they don't like him.

    It's valid to say that they don't like him because he loses rapport on cheese. But it is incorrect to say that companions remove gameplay elements due to poor design. If we're going to go on the slightly tangential discussion about the design of the rapport system, it is worth discussing which parts are a player's personal tastes (I dislike losing rapport for cheese so I just stopped cooking) and which parts are the actual design of the system.

    The way the system is designed is different to how some players perceive it. The companions actually change their opinion of the players in stages. So if the beloved stage was say between 75-100 (I know that's not the real number but just using it for illustration), then companion's opinion of you doesn't actually change whether you're at 77 rapport or 100 rapport. A player who was adamant they keep at 100 can make the game better or worse for themselves, depending on the companion and what they do to fix rapport. But that wouldn't make the system actually change the companions opinion so rapidly.

    Eta
    The way the system is designed, they give you a ton of points to do things they dislike and still keep them at the same stage. So that it is hard to swing companion opinion without some more deliberate actions on the player like murder sprees or questing for their favorite factions. Their dislike or like also has no impact on the activity itself. Even if Mirri hates you to the point she can barely stand to be around you at all, she will not prevent you from taking torchbugs. Instead, she will leave.
    Edited by spartaxoxo on July 1, 2022 4:01PM
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  • MasterSpatula
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    Syldras wrote: »
    Bastian is a stick in the mud.
    Mirri seems alright compared to Bastian, but I'd pretty much had it up to here with all the passive aggressive "I'm still here (thanks for asking)" comments and the nagging me about killing bugs that aren't even dead yet.
    Honestly, Ember and Isobel are both delights. ZOS really seems to have learned from mistakes here.

    What makes the big difference between Bastian and Isobel? Just wondering.

    Not all "lawful good" is the same.

    Imagine two people get on your case for theft. One yells at you, "Stealing is wrong." The other asks you, "How would you feel if someone took your stuff?"

    There's your difference right there. One is born of self-righteousness, in the end more a form of ego than of morality. The other comes from compassion, a genuine desire to do good for the benefit of all. I leave it to you to figure out which traits I assign to Bastian and which to Isobel, but I think it's pretty obvious.
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  • spartaxoxo
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    Stealing is wrong is not self-righteousness to me. To me, if they have a valid, non-self focused reason for stating their beliefs, then that is their morality. I don't think can only be discussed indirectly. Or that murderer s need their emotions catered towards while in the act of murdering. And that's why I'm doing when I'm engaged in DB activities. It's a murder cult.

    To me self-righteousness comes from WHY they are expressing their morals and when. Are they expressing themselves because they don't want others hurt? Or are they expressing themselves because they want to remind me they are better than me.

    This is why I find Isobel infinitely more self-righteous than Bastian. Bastian disapproves of wrong doing because it hurts people. Isobel disapproves because she's a knight. And she never lets me forget it.
    In her intro quest she literally says she can tell by the look on your face that you cannot pick the lock of a door that we're authorized to enter, just because someone else stole the key. We have to go obtain a key through the proper channels.
    Edited by spartaxoxo on July 1, 2022 6:24PM
  • Syldras
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    Imagine two people get on your case for theft. One yells at you, "Stealing is wrong." The other asks you, "How would you feel if someone took your stuff?" There's your difference right there. One is born of self-righteousness, in the end more a form of ego than of morality. The other comes from compassion, a genuine desire to do good for the benefit of all.

    One is just a statement (without further explanations so far), while the other is a question to evoke empathy, but why would the statement necessarily be about self-righteousness? Maybe if that person would be asked why stealing is wrong, their reply would be the very same request, to imagine oneself in the victim's position?
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    for me personally:

    bastion is the worst, i absolutely dislike him, very annoying

    my 2 favorites would probably be ember/mirri

    i dont really dislike isobel, but also dont really like her, but she is a lot more functional than bastion, overall i would say im neutral on her

    since most of my toons are mostly tanks, i usually run around with ember or mirri for the extra dmg, although i feel that embers skillset and ultimate are just quite a bit better (i do not like most of mirris class skill set)

    so for a full ranking it would be:
    1. ember
    2. mirri/isobel
    3. <insert anything else>
    4. bastion
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  • James-Wayne
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    Isobel by far. Ember is a child, can't stand her.
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  • Syldras
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    For example, it's interesting to me that people some people prefer Isobel because she's indirect.

    I haven't had her with me that often so far, but I have the impression that she's generally friendly and has a tendency to praise the player a lot, no matter if it's after a fight, while collecting crafting materials or even during blacksmithing. I mean, she has a lot of lines like:
    "You're like the hero of a fantastic tale."
    " I didn't think you could get more powerful."
    "I admire your technique."
    Mirri has a few too, yes, but she's not that easily impressed.
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  • BretonMage
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    I think a lot of people just react badly to the way Bastian expresses himself. He never panders to the player and in an RPG where you're always the hero, it can feel like a blow to the ego. Reactions to him remind me a little of reactions to Solas in Dragon Age, where, in the same way, some players felt that they were being talked down to.
    Syldras wrote: »
    Bastian is a stick in the mud.
    Mirri seems alright compared to Bastian, but I'd pretty much had it up to here with all the passive aggressive "I'm still here (thanks for asking)" comments and the nagging me about killing bugs that aren't even dead yet.
    Honestly, Ember and Isobel are both delights. ZOS really seems to have learned from mistakes here.

    What makes the big difference between Bastian and Isobel? Just wondering.

    Not all "lawful good" is the same.

    Imagine two people get on your case for theft. One yells at you, "Stealing is wrong." The other asks you, "How would you feel if someone took your stuff?"

    There's your difference right there. One is born of self-righteousness, in the end more a form of ego than of morality. The other comes from compassion, a genuine desire to do good for the benefit of all. I leave it to you to figure out which traits I assign to Bastian and which to Isobel, but I think it's pretty obvious.

    How much have you actually travelled with Bastian? I love doing the random encounters where you help other people because he gets so happy and excited. I've also never, ever heard him praise himself or hold himself out as an example to follow. He just talks about wanting to help people, which has nothing to do with ego. Quite the opposite.
  • spartaxoxo
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    Syldras wrote: »
    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    For example, it's interesting to me that people some people prefer Isobel because she's indirect.

    I haven't had her with me that often so far, but I have the impression that she's generally friendly and has a tendency to praise the player a lot, no matter if it's after a fight, while collecting crafting materials or even during blacksmithing. I mean, she has a lot of lines like:
    "You're like the hero of a fantastic tale."
    " I didn't think you could get more powerful."
    "I admire your technique."
    Mirri has a few too, yes, but she's not that easily impressed.

    This got me thinking, how many lines of dialogue does each companion have praise the player? Or express in belief in their abilities? That type of thing. I'm not counting the compliments they pay you when you ask them what they think of you or quest dialogue. Obviously these are a bit subjective. But IMO, these are the ones where they are complimenting/celebrating you, or your work together as a duo.

    Bastian
    1. "You're never content to rest on your laurels. I admire that."
    2. You're a lifesaver.
    3. Shake it off! You can do it!"
    4. "The day is ours!"
    5. "Good! Remember how you did that!"
    6. That's the way!"
    7. "Well done!"
    8. "You're getting good at that."
    9. "Underestimating you was their last mistake."
    10. "Rest in peace, brave friend."
    11. "You won't be forgotten."
    12. Now that's a neat trick!"
    13. "Good eye!"
    14. "You've got a knack for stumbling across those things."
    15. "Your intuition is remarkable. Can you teach me that?"
    16. "That's some impressive magic!"
    17. "That's a good look for you."

    Mirri
    1. Dare I say, I think you're being a good influence on me.
    2. Mother Morrowind has her eye on you.
    3. Vehk's in for some competition.
    4. Seht likes a quick study.
    5. Flashy may get noticed, but style gets remembered!
    6. I think you got their attention.
    7. Yeah! Keep knocking them around!
    8. That's right! Keep the fight on our terms!
    9. You're like a legend of Vehk!
    10. That's a slaughter Dagon would envy.
    11. Looks like you're buying at the next pub, f'lah!
    12. Well played, master thief.
    13. Good eye! I never would have spotted that!
    14. Who knew you could be so patient and careful?
    15. Maybe we should hire you into the family business. You've got a knack for this.
    16. Traveling with you isn't a tour, it's a tale!
    17. If you brought me here because you knew I'd like it. Well done.
    18. I can't believe you just waltz up to a god for a bit of conversation like it's nothing. I don't know whether to be impressed or tell the ordinators.
    19. Lucky fetcher. I only ever seem to find musty grain and spuds.

    Isobel
    1. Ahh, good to see your face again
    2. I was hoping I'd see you today.
    3. Your guidance has made me a better knight. Thank you
    4. We're still standing. Be proud of that.
    5. You and me. We got this
    6. Riding with you is never dull. Lay on!
    7. We are mighty!
    8. That was just a normal day for you, wasn't it? Always exciting!
    9. You're like the hero of a fantastic tale. And I get to ride with you. Hah!
    10. Draigh! I didn't think you could get more powerful.
    11. Like every good story, your tale just grows in the telling.
    12. Your quest to improve never ends. Just like a knight
    13. You have to teach me how to make that. It smells so good!
    14. I'm not drooling over your delicious food. That would be unknightly.
    15. I admire your technique. Not everyone is so deft with a blacksmith's hammer.
    16. Hmm! Even my old blacksmith friend at Castle Navire would be impressed!
    17. Now this is why I joined you. This place is great!
    18. "You talk to High King Emeric so easily! Have you ever read some of his writing? He's actually a very talented author
    19. It fills my heart with pride to know the High King knows something of our deeds. Hah!
    20. Lyris is so intimidating. How can you stay so calm around someone so ... powerful?

    Ember
    1. Look out, everyone! Tamriel's best duo is back!
    2. I feel amazing! I've learned more with you than I ever learned with Magister Irin
    3. Don't underestimate us
    4. We're dangerous, huh?
    5. We're the best
    6. You were amazing
    7. Nicely done
    8. You're kind of terrifying, you know that?
    9. I love it when you do that!
    10. Ooh, now that's impressive
    11. Amazing! Look at you go!
    12. Nice! You're too quick for them!
    13. Nothing is too big or too bad for us to handle
    14. Well, look at you! Luck follows you, I swear
    15. You're a pickpocketing artist!
    16. You've got a talent for finding those
    17. I love when people think their stuff is safe... and you prove them wrong
    18. You're brave, reaching in there like that.
    19. Look at you, being all devious and sticky fingered!
    20. Expertly done, they didn't suspect a thing!
    21. Good eye, I didn't even see that runestone at first
    22. Watching you harvest is exciting, I can't wait to see what you're going to do with that!
    23. I catch myself wondering about your past a lot. What were you like as a kid, where you grew up, who your friends were. You'll have to tell me about it some day. I bet you've got good stories.
    24. Do you ever get scared? Actually, that's a dumb question, don't answer that. I just... you always seem so fearless, I've never met anyone like you. You know it's fine to be scared sometimes, right?
    25. Watching you play is better than actually playing myself. You've got interesting strategies.

    So in order from most to least amount of compliments, it is: Ember, Isobel, Mirri, and then Bastian. Incidentally, this is also the order of the poll of most to least favorite. I'm sure this plays a part in things too, lol. They are more positive.
  • Lugaldu
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    When I see the result of this poll, I feel sorry for poor Bastian, my favorite. Do people really only find Ember so great because you can steal and kill with her without getting negative rapport? I personally find Ember annoying and Bastian's calm, dreamy personality suits my main much better as a companion (and also my person). If I want/have to steal or murder, then I integrate that into the role-playing - then I just have to pursue a few "secret" things for a while and Basti has to do other things in the meantime.
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    So in order from most to least amount of compliments, it is: Ember, Isobel, Mirri, and then Bastian. Incidentally, this is also the order of the poll of most to least favorite. I'm sure this plays a part in things too, lol. They are more positive.

    I wouldn't neccessarily call it positive, but that's just my personal judgement ;) Though at least Isobel's compliments seem to be real and honest, based on her inexperience being a young knight, and not just cheap flattery.

    What I wanted to add: The list on UESP isn't even complete yet, there are still lines missing for Isobel and Ember. Another observation is that the new companions don't only have more praising lines, but also only rarely have lines that can be interpreted as taunting. Also, I'm wondering how Isobel reacts if you do something she strongly dislikes - if she'd be really upset or if she would reply in a more conciliating way.
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    Lugaldu wrote: »
    When I see the result of this poll, I feel sorry for poor Bastian, my favorite. Do people really only find Ember so great because you can steal and kill with her without getting negative rapport? I personally find Ember annoying and Bastian's calm, dreamy personality suits my main much better as a companion (and also my person). If I want/have to steal or murder, then I integrate that into the role-playing - then I just have to pursue a few "secret" things for a while and Basti has to do other things in the meantime.

    I feel bad for Bastian too, but probably for different reasons. I feel bad that they made him homely and goody two shoes and bossy, which is one of my biggest complaints about him. I get tired of being told to get out of that and shake it off and drink a potion and use a different strategy. He's supposed to be my companion, not my boss. I do use him in situations where I need a tank because I put a lot of effort and gold into gearing him for the role, and he's pretty good at it. But I'm going to test Isobel as a tank now because I'm tired of Bastian telling me what to do.

    I like Ember because she is upbeat and enthusiastic and looking to have fun. Not caring about stealing is not a factor for me.

    As far as Mirri, I fired her long ago because I couldn't take any more of her passive aggressive attitude.
    Edited by SilverBride on July 2, 2022 2:54PM
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  • Lugaldu
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    I feel bad for Bastian too, but probably for different reasons. I feel bad that they made him homely and goody two shoes and bossy, which is one of my biggest complaints about him. I get tired of being told to get out of that and shake it off and drink a potion and use a different strategy. He's supposed to be my companion, not my boss.

    I don't see this as a command, but as a good advice from a friend. After all, he also asks you nicely if you're hurt, if you're okay. Isn't that nice?
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    Lugaldu wrote: »
    I feel bad for Bastian too, but probably for different reasons. I feel bad that they made him homely and goody two shoes and bossy, which is one of my biggest complaints about him. I get tired of being told to get out of that and shake it off and drink a potion and use a different strategy. He's supposed to be my companion, not my boss.

    I don't see this as a command, but as a good advice from a friend. After all, he also asks you nicely if you're hurt, if you're okay. Isn't that nice?

    It's unsolicited advice and it's constant and grating and in my face. By the time he asks if I'm ok I'm already irritated with him.
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  • spartaxoxo
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    He's reacting to you being in danger. He's not ordering anyone around, he's giving advice because you're dying. Also you can set the frequency in your settings. There should probably be a way to change whether they offer tutorial advice. Anyway, the reason it's unsolicited is because you're literally dying in combat.

    Like I'm having a hard time understanding how you'd even solicit advice in combat. Or why a character who's supposed to be our friend is being bossy because they see us literally dying, knows what to do help, and thus says something
    Edited by spartaxoxo on July 2, 2022 5:01PM
  • SilverBride
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    He's reacting to you being in danger. He's not ordering anyone around, he's giving advice because you're dying. Also you can set the frequency in your settings. There should probably be a way to change whether they offer tutorial advice. Anyway, the reason it's unsolicited is because you're literally dying in combat.

    Like I'm having a hard time understanding how you'd even solicit advice in combat. Or why a character who's supposed to be our friend is being bossy because they see us literally dying, knows what to do help, and thus says something

    It's unsolicited because I didn't say "Bastian please offer your advice on how to fight this boss." This is just how I personally perceive it and the biggest reason I don't like him.
    Edited by SilverBride on July 2, 2022 5:29PM
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  • spartaxoxo
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    spartaxoxo wrote: »
    He's reacting to you being in danger. He's not ordering anyone around, he's giving advice because you're dying. Also you can set the frequency in your settings. There should probably be a way to change whether they offer tutorial advice. Anyway, the reason it's unsolicited is because you're literally dying in combat.

    Like I'm having a hard time understanding how you'd even solicit advice in combat. Or why a character who's supposed to be our friend is being bossy because they see us literally dying, knows what to do help, and thus says something

    This is just how I personally perceive it and the biggest reason I don't like him.

    And that is how I personally perceive him. And why I don't care they have tutorial content for new players embedded into the companions. I feel it's a perfect spot for it. "Why shouldn't a friend try to help another friend that's dying?" is my personal feelings toward it.
    Edited by spartaxoxo on July 2, 2022 5:43PM
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